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« on: May 25, 2017, 09:13:07 PM »

Sure this guy deserved to be imprisoned for a little while.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40045599

But 10 years for being stupid?

Seems excessive.

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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2017, 09:18:09 PM »

Sure this guy deserved to be imprisoned for a little while.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40045599

But 10 years for being stupid?

Seems excessive.



What would you deem a fair sentence for endangering the lives of dozens and dozens of people?
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2017, 09:19:01 PM »

Pffft seems perfectly reasonably for stupidly risking the lives of so many people....
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2017, 09:31:35 PM »

Sure this guy deserved to be imprisoned for a little while.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40045599

But 10 years for being stupid?

Seems excessive.



What would you deem a fair sentence for endangering the lives of dozens and dozens of people?

A person who gets behind the wheel of car steaming drunk is risking killing people.

They will just get a 1k fine and lose their license for a couple of years.

I think a year, maybe 18 months seems about the right sentence here.
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2017, 09:42:50 PM »

Sure this guy deserved to be imprisoned for a little while.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40045599

But 10 years for being stupid?

Seems excessive.



What would you deem a fair sentence for endangering the lives of dozens and dozens of people?

A person who gets behind the wheel of car steaming drunk is risking killing people.

They will just get a 1k fine and lose their license for a couple of years.

I think a year, maybe 18 months seems about the right sentence here.

The car driver is "only" endangering the lives of 3 or 4 people, tops. More likely to injure than kill, too.

The geezer on the aircraft is endangering the lives of several hundred people. Won't be any survivors, either.

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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2017, 10:01:09 PM »

Sure this guy deserved to be imprisoned for a little while.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40045599

But 10 years for being stupid?

Seems excessive.



What would you deem a fair sentence for endangering the lives of dozens and dozens of people?

A person who gets behind the wheel of car steaming drunk is risking killing people.

They will just get a 1k fine and lose their license for a couple of years.

I think a year, maybe 18 months seems about the right sentence here.

The car driver is "only" endangering the lives of 3 or 4 people, tops. More likely to injure than kill, too.

The geezer on the aircraft is endangering the lives of several hundred people. Won't be any survivors, either.



A paper fire in a toilet?

That's a bit of a stretch to say he was endangering lives. Surely all the material in the toilet apart from the paper is inflammable?

If it was so easy to start a fire on a plane, why haven't any terrorists tried it yet?
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2017, 10:02:57 PM »

Sure this guy deserved to be imprisoned for a little while.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40045599

But 10 years for being stupid?

Seems excessive.



What would you deem a fair sentence for endangering the lives of dozens and dozens of people?

A person who gets behind the wheel of car steaming drunk is risking killing people.

They will just get a 1k fine and lose their license for a couple of years.

I think a year, maybe 18 months seems about the right sentence here.

The car driver is "only" endangering the lives of 3 or 4 people, tops. More likely to injure than kill, too.

The geezer on the aircraft is endangering the lives of several hundred people. Won't be any survivors, either.



A paper fire in a toilet?

That's a bit of a stretch to say he was endangering lives. Surely all the material in the toilet apart from the paper is inflammable?

If it was so easy to start a fire on a plane, why haven't any terrorists tried it yet?

I'd have thought any fire on a plane has the potential to be catastrophic.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2017, 10:04:22 PM »

Sure this guy deserved to be imprisoned for a little while.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-40045599

But 10 years for being stupid?

Seems excessive.



What would you deem a fair sentence for endangering the lives of dozens and dozens of people?

A person who gets behind the wheel of car steaming drunk is risking killing people.

They will just get a 1k fine and lose their license for a couple of years.

I think a year, maybe 18 months seems about the right sentence here.

The car driver is "only" endangering the lives of 3 or 4 people, tops. More likely to injure than kill, too.

The geezer on the aircraft is endangering the lives of several hundred people. Won't be any survivors, either.



A paper fire in a toilet?

That's a bit of a stretch to say he was endangering lives. Surely all the material in the toilet apart from the paper is inflammable?

If it was so easy to start a fire on a plane, why haven't any terrorists tried it yet?

I'd have thought any fire on a plane has the potential to be catastrophic.

Seems a bit strange that we are allowed to carry lighters and matches on planes then, but not a bottle of water bought outside security.
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2017, 10:41:57 PM »

Always makes me smile when i watch all those old airport films and everyone's sparking up left right and centre and the captain sitting there smoking a pipe..

Did a plane ever come down with someone accidently setting fire to something when they were all allowed to smoke 33,00 feet up ?
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2017, 10:50:41 PM »

Flight 820's problems began when a fire started in a rear lavatory. Crew members moved to the front of the airplane toward the emergency exit, as many passengers in the body of the plane inhaled smoke. Prior to the forced landing, many of the passengers had already died of smoke inhalation. The aircraft landed at a field 5 km short of the runway, in a full-flap and gear down configuration.
Only one passenger survived, while the major part of the crew left the plane by the emergency exit at the top of the cockpit. The captain of this flight, Gilberto Araujo da Silva, disappeared 30 January 1979 while flying Varig Cargo Boeing 707 PP-VLU over the Pacific Ocean.[1]

A possible cause of the fire was that the lavatory waste bin contents caught fire after a still lit cigarette was thrown into it, the FAA issued AD 74-08-09 requiring "installation of placards prohibiting smoking in the lavatory and disposal of cigarettes in the lavatory waste receptacles; establishment of a procedure to announce to airplane occupants that smoking is prohibited in the lavatories; installation of ashtrays at certain locations; and repetitive inspections to ensure that lavatory waste receptacle doors operate correctly".

Not confirmed but the above caused 123 deaths.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2017, 10:58:36 PM »

CAAC Flight 2311 was a scheduled passenger flight from Changsha Huanghua International Airport to the former Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport. On 24 December 1982 it was flown by an Ilyushin Il-18B (registered in China as B-202), when after landing at Baiyun Airport a cabin fire produced toxic smoke whereupon the crew stopped the aircraft on the runway and evacuated the passengers.[1] The fast-developing fire killed 25 passengers and seriously injured 22 passengers and four crew members.[1] The fire, which was started by a passenger's cigarette, destroyed the aircraft.
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2017, 06:07:55 AM »

I agree with Keith here. Intent and deterrent are the crux issues IMO. The bloke didn't intend to endanger life, and a two year sentence would be just as effective as a deterrent.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2017, 08:21:31 AM »

But then would someone get two years for just being caught smoking, or does it have to cause a fire to be serious enough for the 2 years?
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2017, 09:07:20 AM »

I agree with Keith here. Intent and deterrent are the crux issues IMO. The bloke didn't intend to endanger life, and a two year sentence would be just as effective as a deterrent.

This is it. If he intended to endanger life, life for attempted murder would be correct IMO.

Does no one know why we are allowed to carry lighters on planes? Seems such a weird position considering the paranoia about what we cannot carry.
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2017, 09:13:53 AM »

Arson sentences always seem severe.  I have had this discussion in the past (not this case obv) and it is around the fact that fires can go out of control and you frequently can't be sure you won't kill anyone.  Very few arsonists intend to kill, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a good chance of it happening.  So bored teenagers starting a fire can get 5 years.  In this case, the bloke seems incredibly reckless to me and is clearly putting a lot of lives at risk.  My immediate reaction was that is a long time, but I can see how they got there.

On drink driving, I can't disagree.  Sentences often look very lenient to me.  

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