“ Robs Yongs latest blog on what happened in Vegas with Leon and Matt “

[bookiebasher]

A year ago I was out with a couple of mates and we decided to play pool.

Now I haven't played pool in years and knew I was a big dog in the game.

However one of the lads got quite drunk and after starting at £5 a game
it ended up us playing for a considerable sum even though I didn't want to
play for x amount of money , he insisted.

I ended up winning over £500 and thought nothing more of it.

A couple of months later he rang me up and argued the fact that he was drunk
that he shouldn't pay the full amount owed.

I argued , in that case , as in the poker scenario , the drunk is pretty much free
rolling in that he can win but if he loses claim he was drunk.

We brokered a deal because we have been mates for over 30 years and I
certainly was not trying to pull a fast one as I am shit at pool !

Maybe it's because I am a bookie but to me a bet is a bet and you should honour
it , drunk or not.

[RED-DOG]

A year ago I was out with a couple of mates and we decided to play pool.

Now I haven't played pool in years and knew I was a big dog in the game.

However one of the lads got quite drunk and after starting at £5 a game
it ended up us playing for a considerable sum even though I didn't want to
play for x amount of money , he insisted.

I ended up winning over £500 and thought nothing more of it.

A couple of months later he rang me up and argued the fact that he was drunk
that he shouldn't pay the full amount owed.

I argued , in that case , as in the poker scenario , the drunk is pretty much free
rolling in that he can win but if he loses claim he was drunk.

We brokered a deal because we have been mates for over 30 years and I
certainly was not trying to pull a fast one as I am shit at pool !

Maybe it's because I am a bookie but to me a bet is a bet and you should honour
it , drunk or not.

Agreed. Same goes for a deal.

WTF was Matt doing making a deal he wasn't at liberty to honour?

[bookiebasher]

He should have gone to his backers first before agreeing to a deal but he
probably thought they would agree.

Let's face it , as Del Boy once said  "we have had worse days"



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[cambridgealex]

Matts backers are the stupid ones here. The $~300k in equity they give up in the deal is peanuts in the grand scheme of things to a) make sure they get paid the $2m and b) keep Leon sweet for the future.

Matt should've made this clear to them and even if they said no, probably swallowed the loss on his own dime / find another backer for the $1m hu match.

Red dog's stance is interesting. In your eyes Tom, the second deal supersedes the first (the initial loan of 3m) and now Matt has reneged on it, so.... what happens next? Matt was out of order to reneg, sure, what is the next move now? What are Leon's obligations at this point?

Really interesting take on it.

[GreekStein]

Wait, why should there be a deal?

Can someone give me a good reason why Leon shouldn't pay the full $3m?

I agree Matt made a mistake making a deal but the fact is, if Leon was a MAN or had any honour about him he would fucking man up and pay his debt.

This is bitter bad loser angling scum bullshit, 'Oh i was drunk'. No, you're a scumbag and you should pay up your money.

In Barcelona he claimed cheating with no evidence other than Elton Tsang making a good call against him. He didn't pay.

How can anyone possibly side with him? There should be no negotiation.

You borrow x amount of money. You pay back that same x amount you borrowed.

[bookiebasher]

The good reason why Matt should negotiate is two fold

1. Going to court is VERY expensive , could drag on for years with counter
claims and appeals.

2. If Leon feels like you have done him a favour by accepting a lower amount
than actually won then he is more likely to give you action and consider you
as a "friend". Rob has done the right thing in the past and walked away when
he felt things were getting out of hand. Some people are more mercenary.

I agree that Leon should pay but that is not the argument now.

[RED-DOG]

Matts backers are the stupid ones here. The $~300k in equity they give up in the deal is peanuts in the grand scheme of things to a) make sure they get paid the $2m and b) keep Leon sweet for the future.

Matt should've made this clear to them and even if they said no, probably swallowed the loss on his own dime / find another backer for the $1m hu match.

Red dog's stance is interesting. In your eyes Tom, the second deal supersedes the first (the initial loan of 3m) and now Matt has reneged on it, so.... what happens next? Matt was out of order to reneg, sure, what is the next move now? What are Leon's obligations at this point?

Really interesting take on it.

I thought the initial loan of 3m was just that, a loan, the re payment of which never seemed in doubt. Then a deal was apparently suggested by Matt and was agreed to by Leon and witnessed by Rob.

What happens next IMO is Leon should pay the 2 milly as per the deal and wait for Matt to honour his part of the bargain.

Apart from being drunk and stupid, I can't really see why Leon is the bad guy in this.

[RED-DOG]

Just my 2c Cos, bear in mind I know nothing of Leon's previous.

Wait, why should there be a deal?

There is absolutely no reason for a deal.

Can someone give me a good reason why Leon shouldn't pay the full $3m?

Because there was a deal.

I agree Matt made a mistake making a deal but the fact is, if Leon was a MAN or had any honour about him he would fucking man up and pay his debt.

He didn't refuse to as far as I can tell.

This is bitter bad loser angling scum bullshit, 'Oh i was drunk'. No, you're a scumbag and you should pay up your money.

Agree, untill Matt made a deal.

[bookiebasher]

Matt was worried about not getting paid which indicates a certain anxiety
about the whole episode.

It was after he spoke to Rob that Rob suggested the deal which Matt accepted
without consulting backers.

Leon totally out of order but if a little common sense prevailed then a solution ,
brokered by Rob , was there for both parties to move forward.

Lunacy to let it get this far out of hand with claims and counter claims.

Both seem determined to dig their heels in and fight it out in court and we all know
who wins there.

[RED-DOG]

Matt was worried about not getting paid which indicates a certain anxiety
about the whole episode.

It was after he spoke to Rob that Rob suggested the deal which Matt accepted
without consulting backers.

Leon totally out of order but if a little common sense prevailed then a solution ,
brokered by Rob , was there for both parties to move forward.

Lunacy to let it get this far out of hand with claims and counter claims.

Both seem determined to dig their heels in and fight it out in court and we all know
who wins there.

I don't get how Matt, who is after all the one who refused to fulfil his obligations, cones off as "worried"

When Leon, who lost a fortune, then squirmed and whined but didn't refuse to pay comes of as, "totally out of order"

[bookiebasher]

Matt was worried according to Rob that he would not get paid what he was owed.

No doubt he had heard the stories about Leon.

You are wrong Tom , Leon did not agree to pay the full amount borrowed as far as
I can tell.

All he did was agree to Rob's plan to pay back $2million and play for the other $1million
heads up.

He should have said to Rob , " No it's ok Rob , I was drunk and stupid and will pay the guy
all the money I lost to him "

Simples , but life is never simple.

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Leon is using the excuse that he was drunk but he wasn't drunk enough to confirm
the loan of chips by sending a text message back to Matt to confirm the loan while sat
at the table.

If you lost a few quid while playing poker drunk would you not pay ?

Of course you would and it would be a lesson learnt.

I do think Leon is out of order by not paying but once Rob brokered the deal then
I would say that as a verbal contract this would be upheld in court.

Agree with Dave , bonkers decision to renege on the deal.

Jim, according to Rob, this is what Leon said.


As soon as Leon arrived at Liquid he said to me, ‘Tell Matty not to worry, I don’t remember much but whatever I lost I will pay today’.

[bookiebasher]

Yes but obviously things didn't go that way or why would
there be a need for Rob to get involved and broker a deal.

Something must have happened , words must have been exchanged
for Rob to feel that a deal was needed to resolve the situation.

Leon said that he would pay but he didn't , why ?

[cambridgealex]

@cos
It wasn't Leon's idea, rob said "if you feel bad then how about offering x as a goodwill gesture" which Matt did. According to Rob, Leon was ok to pay the 3m but also accepted Matts offer which seems reasonable.

Everything is reasonable up to the point of the backers cancelling the deal then both sides acted poorly in my view.

[RED-DOG]

Yes but obviously things didn't go that way or why would
there be a need for Rob to get involved and broker a deal.

Something must have happened , words must have been exchanged
for Rob to feel that a deal was needed to resolve the situation.

Leon said that he would pay but he didn't , why ?

Yes, but that's all speculation Jim. We can only judge on the facts as presented to us.

I think Matt got scared and jumped the gun otherwise he would have got paid.

At least he should have said to Leon, "I can't agree to a deal without consulting my backers".

If Rob decided to put the indecent online I'm sure he posted all the salient details.