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« on: November 12, 2017, 10:24:00 PM »

http://robyongsblog.com/2017/11/12/what-happens-in-vegas-stays-in-vegas-not/
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2017, 11:14:02 PM »

Very interesting. I read some of the accounts of what happened on 2p2 but if that first offer is real then that should be a snap accept. Equity has to be about $2.7 of the $3mil. Of course he didn't have to give a discount but you want to keep the whale playing you. Seems like an absolute no brainer.
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2017, 11:30:32 PM »

So Matt accepted the initial deal and then got the phone call (from backers presumably telling him no?) at which point the deal was off?

Tough spot at the table when Leon is forcing Matt to keep playing. Not sure what I would've done. Probably quit and hope he respects you for it in the morning. Playing someone HU for those stakes when they can barely see the cards just isn't right.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 07:56:36 AM »

Matt is out of order here. He made a deal he is obliged to honour it.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 08:52:39 AM »

How is Leon getting any support here?

He owns a casino. A casino which also has a poker room that's gained a lot of notoriety the last few years. Has his casino never taken a bet from a drunk guy? From UK, to Vegas to Macau I'm yet to see a casino that doesnt take action from drunk punters.

Is Leon not old and responsible enough to know that he shouldn't be playing when he's drunk? Rob even said in his post that he's played with Leon before and quit because Leon drinks.

If he was a a new-to-poker new-to-drinking rich guy being deliberately plied with alcohol I see an incredibly strong argument for not paying up but here I don't.

So this 50 year old, extremely rich casino owner throws his toys out of the pram because he is playing while drunk.

He's been around the block more than a few times. PAY UP.

I've lost money several times when drunk and don't moan about it. When you drink you know you're gonna make less good decisions.

And the Elton Tsang thing? Leon just accuses him of cheating based on no evidence whatsoever and decides to not pay?

This guy does not sound like good news but people who can influence Leon need him and his money so are most likely too afraid to tell him that he should just pay in full.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 08:58:56 AM »

I also have a few questions regarding the rules in casinos and poker rooms and how they are supposed to follow and enforce responsible gaming laws?

- There are dealers, floor staff etc all around - are they allowed/supposed to stop a game/player if they deem the player too drunk to be playing responsibly?
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 09:31:31 AM »

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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 09:44:34 AM »


Link to the 2+2 thread, please?
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 10:00:04 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2017, 10:24:07 AM »


Link to the 2+2 thread, please?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/leon-tsoukernik-subpoenad-stiffed-aussie-matt-elton-tsang-millions-1672483/
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2017, 10:42:41 AM »

How is Leon getting any support here?

He owns a casino. A casino which also has a poker room that's gained a lot of notoriety the last few years. Has his casino never taken a bet from a drunk guy? From UK, to Vegas to Macau I'm yet to see a casino that doesnt take action from drunk punters.

Is Leon not old and responsible enough to know that he shouldn't be playing when he's drunk? Rob even said in his post that he's played with Leon before and quit because Leon drinks.

If he was a a new-to-poker new-to-drinking rich guy being deliberately plied with alcohol I see an incredibly strong argument for not paying up but here I don't.

So this 50 year old, extremely rich casino owner throws his toys out of the pram because he is playing while drunk.

He's been around the block more than a few times. PAY UP.

I've lost money several times when drunk and don't moan about it. When you drink you know you're gonna make less good decisions.

And the Elton Tsang thing? Leon just accuses him of cheating based on no evidence whatsoever and decides to not pay?

This guy does not sound like good news but people who can influence Leon need him and his money so are most likely too afraid to tell him that he should just pay in full.


I have to disagree Mr P.

Leon agreed to pay, Matt agreed a deal and then renaged.
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2017, 11:01:34 AM »

If Matt agreed the deal and it can be verified then I don't see how his backers can win in court.

For a start it must be , as the young lads say , -EV to sue a potential cash cow.

Secondly , costs can spiral out of control in court cases and eat into any potential winnings.

They should agree on the original deal , advertise and promote the heads up match on
Party Poker live TV channel and arrange a boxing match afterwards.

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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2017, 12:21:07 PM »

Matt Kirk is not the type of guy to give a fuck about taking money from him drunk, his worries were entirely about if he's getting paid or not, agreeing to the $1m HU match (as rob says rough equity split) is a good gesture, why on earth the "backers" thought it was a good idea to cancel that after Matt made the agreement is beyond me frankly. Matt could just have said at the start I want the $3m no deals You could have run sick and cleaned me out and I paid you the day before full monies, and obviously that's totally fine, cancelling the deal though with someone as hot headed as Leon was a pretty brutal mistake and unless there is more to it, really, really stupid.

Leon, though, a million times out of order, obviously.
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2017, 01:06:12 PM »

Matt Kirk is not the type of guy to give a fuck about taking money from him drunk, his worries were entirely about if he's getting paid or not, agreeing to the $1m HU match (as rob says rough equity split) is a good gesture, why on earth the "backers" thought it was a good idea to cancel that after Matt made the agreement is beyond me frankly. Matt could just have said at the start I want the $3m no deals You could have run sick and cleaned me out and I paid you the day before full monies, and obviously that's totally fine, cancelling the deal though with someone as hot headed as Leon was a pretty brutal mistake and unless there is more to it, really, really stupid.

Leon, though, a million times out of order, obviously.

I'm obviously missing something here Dave. Can you point out where Leon is out of order for me please?
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2017, 01:19:50 PM »

Leon is using the excuse that he was drunk but he wasn't drunk enough to confirm
the loan of chips by sending a text message back to Matt to confirm the loan while sat
at the table.

If you lost a few quid while playing poker drunk would you not pay ?

Of course you would and it would be a lesson learnt.

I do think Leon is out of order by not paying but once Rob brokered the deal then
I would say that as a verbal contract this would be upheld in court.

Agree with Dave , bonkers decision to renege on the deal.
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