JJprodigy

[Nem]

Do you think that Party should have confiscated his $100k even though none of it was won by cheating?

In order to stamp it out - yes.

Make an example.

It won't stamp it out though. There are hundreds of players still multi-accounting tournaments (big buyin and little buyin). There will be even more now that the tournaments are getting bigger and bigger with Pokerstars introducing a 1k buyin and will soon be introducing even bigger buyin tornaments in the future.

[The Baron]

It may not stamp it out but now everyone knows the standard if you get caught.

The marker has been set.

[snoopy1239]

To be honest, I reckon his only regret is leaving that 100k in there.

[Nem]

To be honest, I reckon his only regret is leaving that 100k in there.

Yep. But Party should have done a proper investigation like Pokerstars did to see if any of his $$$ was won by multi accounting.

[thetank]

I don't expect him to say something like.......

"Ignorance of the rules is no defence. Party were completely justified in their course of action."

...and if he did, I doubt anyone, including myself, would believe that they were his true feelings.

Still, I wouldn't have included this paragraph.......

I don’t think Party handled the situation as well as they could have. The money taken from me was won legitimately, almost entirely from sit’n’gos. None of the other accounts I used had any big tournament scores; in fact, they lost money overall in the few tournaments that they entered. Party has a zero tolerance policy which in my opinion is unfair. If I had only double entered a single $10 tournament, by the same policy, that would be grounds for them to confiscate $100,000 from me which seems unreasonable. The punishment was arbitrary, and no investigation was done to determine a reasonable adjustment. I feel like the amount of my punishment has been determined by what was in my account, rather than by what a thorough investigation would have determined.

It's difficult for anyone to take such a severe punishment like a man, especially a 19 year old. Whether he agrees with or not though, nothing can be done about it. He just needs to put it behind him and get on with things. I hope, for his reputations sake, that this is the last time he publicly mentions his grievance at Party's handling of the matter.

[The Baron]

To be honest, I reckon his only regret is leaving that 100k in there.

Probably true.

Still if he's talented enough he'll have a whole lot more soon.

[thetank]

To be honest, I reckon his only regret is leaving that 100k in there.

A little harsh?

A reputation is worth more than $100k, you can't put a price on it. I think that losing the money is not his only regret.

[The Baron]

I reckon a lot of people would do their reputation for 100K.

A lot of people in certain cardrooms do their reputation for a whole lot less.

[bundle]

I reckon a lot of people would do their reputation for 100K.

A lot of people in certain cardrooms do their reputation for a whole lot less.

But they don't have his talent.


 Best thing this kid could do is change his name. I'm sure he will be playing in the WSOP &WPT when he is of age, but with that name, he will be "oh yeah your that cheat"  I don't think the 100k is too important with his skills.

[Sark79]

To be honest, I reckon his only regret is leaving that 100k in there.

A little harsh?

A reputation is worth more than $100k, you can't put a price on it. I think that losing the money is not his only regret.

I agree, whatever people think about the guy. There is no doubt over how much he loves poker..  You only have to read some of his blogs to see this.  I am sure he feels he let himself down even more than he has let down other people.

It is going to take time for people to give him a second chance.

Everyone deserves another chance.  Look at some of our most loved athletes who get caught taking performance enhancing drugs.  They are forgiven and a few years down the line they get an honour in the New Years Honours list.

There is no difference with this guy.  Whatever his reasons for doing so,  he has appologized.   Now it is time to forgive.

[The Baron]

I reckon a lot of people would do their reputation for 100K.

A lot of people in certain cardrooms do their reputation for a whole lot less.

But they don't have his talent.


 Best thing this kid could do is change his name. I'm sure he will be playing in the WSOP &WPT when he is of age, but with that name, he will be "oh yeah your that cheat"  I don't think the 100k is too important with his skills.

Barry Greenstein has a bankroll larger than god and was IMO the best player in the world for a period between mid 04 and mid 05.

I bet you any money even he still rates 100k as important, even with his skills.

I'm not saying JJProdigy only regrets not having the money but do you think if he had the choice between his reputation back or a hundred grand he'd go for the reputation?

If he was that much of a stand up guy then I'm sure he wouldn't have cheated.

[thetank]

As for what the future holds, I’m not entirely sure. No matter what, I will return to poker. Poker has been my passion, and I can’t picture myself doing anything else. I hope that I can one day reclaim my reputation. Obviously this will take years and not days, and I accept this.

There is no denying the kids ability.

I find it impossible to believe that such a talent can be solely motivated by a desire for money and nothing else like Snoopy cynically suggests. It's obvious how others percieve him drives him to success too. For how many 19 year old phenoms is this not true?

For me, how Party handled the situation is a non-issue. If they were to return the confiscated funds from his sit n go proceeds tomorrow, Justin wouldn't be much better off, his name would still be mud.

For this, he can only blame himself, and it sounds as if he is beginning to realise this. I, for one, respect that.

[bundle]

 I bet this kids dream was to play on tour and make a big name for himself, now that name is very much tarnished before he even starts.

 I would like to think he would take the reputation, knowing he can win the money back over time.

[Nem]

It will all blow over soon.

[thetank]

If he was that much of a stand up guy then I'm sure he wouldn't have cheated.

No-one can argue with this. It's why I don't have any sympathy for him losing the money.

After doing the crime though, the first step to doing the time is to acknowledge that what he has done was wrong.

This he has done, and is why, if he eliminates me from an EPT event, I will shake his hand.

A long way to go before I take him home to meet mummy though.