The Ongoing Debate

[ifm]

Ash Pervais
Debbie
Craig Wildman (i think)
Erm one of the greek lads Elias i think.

[bobby1]

Ash Pervais
Debbie
Craig Wildman (i think)
Erm one of the greek lads Elias i think.

If these guys were the players reps how many players did they ask before they ok'd the stucture? Or did 5 players decide a structure without asking anyones opinion?

I dont mean to have a swipe at those 5 players but if they had asked 5 on this thread they would have got a totally different answer. The Companies need to change their ways.

[Karabiner]

On Friday I was asked by Dani to have a look at what they were thinking of and he and Richard showed me a new flatter structure.

I believe it was 33%/20%/12% etc., a big improvement anyhow.

I thought at the time that it was to be implemented immediately but alas not.

[ifm]

The structure is as it has always been i believe, Craig will shed some light on it when he pops in.

[snoopy1239]

Ash Pervais
Debbie
Craig Wildman (i think)
Erm one of the greek lads Elias i think.

If these guys were the players reps how many players did they ask before they ok'd the stucture? Or did 5 players decide a structure without asking anyones opinion?

I dont mean to have a swipe at those 5 players but if they had asked 5 on this thread they would have got a totally different answer. The Companies need to change their ways.

I was told that these players were shown the sturcture. They said it was fine, so it was implemented.

Although Craig knows nothing about this as far as I know.

Perhaps I've got the wrong end osf the stick.

[bobby1]

bobby, we must NOT be defeastist about this situation.

Forum pressure changed the structures at Notts, will help change it at Walsall, & we can do it elsewhere if need be. And we will - if that's what the majority want.

It really ain't as difficult as you think.

BELIEVE1

That is good news Tony but I have been told that Luton is one of the best run cardrooms around, so I trek down there a couple of Fridays ago and manage to finish 4th in the 45 runner £100 freeze...the prize structure?

9th got £120
6th got £210
For 4th i got £380
3rd got £540
2nd got £980
winner got £1800

The winner got 40% and the 3rd got 12%. Why would I play that comp again with a structure as bad as that, so Walsall may be listening and changing but what about Luton, or Bradford, or Leeds?

All these Casinos are run by big chains, it is these chains that need to get it right not the players through votes or polls and I just cannot see how this is going to be solved. These Casinos are losing players because of this.

[Colchester Kev]

Agreed that the chains dont seem to care as long as people keep turning up and doing a few bob on the tables once they bust out .... at every festival watch the roulette tables at the breaks... they open every one available and then close them after the break has finished.

What we need is independant clubs (Dusk til Dawn) to show the casino chains how to run comps for the players and how to structure a pay out system that allows for a fair result and a true winner.   Only then will the suits open their eyes and wonder why their poker rooms are emptying and the table games are not taking as much money...

[bobby1]

In all honesty Kev, I hope Robs club blows some of these cardrooms away.

I am getting to the opinion that they do not deserve the custom anymore.

[M3boy]

bobby, we must NOT be defeastist about this situation.

Forum pressure changed the structures at Notts, will help change it at Walsall, & we can do it elsewhere if need be. And we will - if that's what the majority want.

It really ain't as difficult as you think.

BELIEVE1

That is good news Tony but I have been told that Luton is one of the best run cardrooms around, so I trek down there a couple of Fridays ago and manage to finish 4th in the 45 runner £100 freeze...the prize structure?

9th got £120
6th got £210
For 4th i got £380
3rd got £540
2nd got £980
winner got £1800

The winner got 40% and the 3rd got 12%. Why would I play that comp again with a structure as bad as that, so Walsall may be listening and changing but what about Luton, or Bradford, or Leeds?

All these Casinos are run by big chains, it is these chains that need to get it right not the players through votes or polls and I just cannot see how this is going to be solved. These Casinos are losing players because of this.

Luton have always had good structures, when there is 90 or over.
Unfortunately, with less than 90 they STILL pay 9 players ?!

[Jinky04]

I will concede that I speak from a postion of great ignorance and with a lack of experience (sadly up north we have v. limited choices). However i feel that paying 10%+1 of  the field is a fair enough with fields of maybe 100-150 and under. From there you should be aiming to reward 1st with a soldi figure of  (dependent on the field of x players and given an x of 100) 25-30%

Bottom line is that in tournaments, there are always going to be discontent and unhappiness about the payout structure. A universally accepted formula for payouts would be welcome, much as a universal set of rules would.

[bobby1]

bobby, we must NOT be defeastist about this situation.

Forum pressure changed the structures at Notts, will help change it at Walsall, & we can do it elsewhere if need be. And we will - if that's what the majority want.

It really ain't as difficult as you think.

BELIEVE1

That is good news Tony but I have been told that Luton is one of the best run cardrooms around, so I trek down there a couple of Fridays ago and manage to finish 4th in the 45 runner £100 freeze...the prize structure?

9th got £120
6th got £210
For 4th i got £380
3rd got £540
2nd got £980
winner got £1800

The winner got 40% and the 3rd got 12%. Why would I play that comp again with a structure as bad as that, so Walsall may be listening and changing but what about Luton, or Bradford, or Leeds?

All these Casinos are run by big chains, it is these chains that need to get it right not the players through votes or polls and I just cannot see how this is going to be solved. These Casinos are losing players because of this.

Luton have always had good structures, when there is 90 or over.
Unfortunately, with less than 90 they STILL pay 9 players ?!

But the question is why?
If it clearly a bad structure why havent they changed it?
Luton has some fairly high profile and fairly well connected players, why havent they voiced their opinion on the terrible payout structures. Or have they been ignored?

The tournament was very playable and the clock excellent. The payout let the comp down and I will not return to play it again.

[thetank]

Are the regular comp structures that terrrible.

The promise of big pay days lures players into the casino for the first time. After all the casinos are trying to pay their leccy bills, not those of the regular player.

There's the odd crazy cat who believes there should only be one prize in poker tournaments. Perhaps 40% is, in itself, a compromise. 

[Rod Paradise]

It's not just about people showing up, if all the shops only sold fruit and veg we would still turn up to buy them, even Colchester Kev

Not true, I would starve to death !!

In about a year and a half 

[AndrewT]

Have you ever heard anyone complain about an online prize structure?

I haven't, why? because it's fair!

I started playing tournaments online and, to me, the prize structure was never an issue. As Red-Dog says, it's fair - it just seems right. When I first started playing live, I didn't even think there were any other payout structures - I assumed that what I'd been used to online was standard across all tournaments. For a certain number of entrants, the payout structure would be identical across all tournaments (super sats excepted).

To read about all this kerfuffle seems to me, an internet player, utterly idiotic - loads of people going out of their way to confuse and annoy others.

I can see the top-heavy argument (pulls punters in) but this is negated by the fact that virtually every top-heavy tournament ends in a deal - surely this blows the top-heavy argument out of the water. If it truly was what players wanted, there'd be no deals.

[thetank]

I'm racking my brains but I can't think of a decent credible argument in favour of top heavy structures.

I'll just be quiet now and agree with the levelling brigade.