Wuz I right, or did his bad play get rewarded?

[The Big Slick]

Now Then - Now Then.

Allow me to run this one by you.

7 handed table.  I'm on button with .  Blinds are 150-300, and one middle limper to me.  I raise making it 900 to play, SB re-raises another 1200 (small re-raise imho).  BB folds, limper folds.  Before hand started i had 4700, SB had 5300.

I put him on either ,   ,   , and elect to call fdor the other 1200.

Flop comes   .  He bets 500, and i now think if he had the   , he would have checked. So i raise all-in.

Was I correct, and if not, what would you have done ?


Incidentally, he called like a shot with   for a set.  Turn and river wave me goodbye to the tournament.

[jezza777]

Hi slick welcome to blonde.

I think your button raise is a good play, although if you do get action here it is probably from a hand that has you beaten. The call is a poor move in my opinion. With the stack sizes you cant afford to call with King high here. Pushing all in is fine as is folding. You have the reraiser on a very narrow range of hands, why cant he have AK? His bet of 500 into a pot of 2500 ish screams of a bet that wants action. With that bet he is prepared to give you 5-1 odds on improving to beat him so he must have a strong hand. The all in with top pair weak kicker is a questionable move because the guy isnt folding and clearly has you beat (IMHO).
It is interesting that you think he played the hand badly . Why is this? He reraises preflop with the best hand and gets all of your chips into the middle when you have top pair and he has a set . How is this bad play on his part?

[The Big Slick]

Now Then - Now Then.

In reply to your questions in your post.

I thought it a bad play to only re-raise 1200 with  , as if the 3rd 8 had not flopped he would have invested 2100 chips and been nowhere unless the flop came 7 high (and then he could be facing a bigger pair).

True he could have held  .  However, having played him on numerous occasions, he tends to lump it in with that, hence why i felt he had the 3 hands mentioned in my original post.

Then again, i agree i played it badly, and have learned a lesson (on of many).

But was such a small re-raise with  a good one?  Looking forward to your comments m8.

[TightEnd]

IMHO his small re-raise is horrible...to a button raise I don't mind re-raising with pocket 8's but I want to win the pot there and then, so am more likely to push all in to win your button steal, the limper bets and the blinds. It is not a hand I want action with

Whilst he has given you the odds to call  his re-raise I think you are equally culpable in actually calling the re-raise

a) why on earth do you want to play K10 against the range of hands you have put him on?

b) why can't he have KK or AK? If the K drops then you are doing all your chips. why?

c) K 10 plays horribly against many re-raising hands, especially here as it seems he is demanding action


by all means button raise with K 10 but you must bail out when faced with serious resistance unless you specifically know it is a player prone to steal re-raises....

[temp0r]

K10 suited is rags at the end of the day mate. you say you've got a decent read on this guy but you clearly hadn't. okay so you called the re-raise pre-flop for value but there's absolutely no way you can shove your chips in on that flop. you had plenty of big blinds left anyway. you shouldn't have even been bothering with K10 at that stage really. the 500 he bet was pot building. because you called his re-raise pre-flop he knows your not likely to give up the hand too easy. which is why he was able to bet that. so it isn't a sign of weakness when you take into account the pot size.
also as jezza points out. you can't go all-in due to the chance of him holding AK. you said you put him on a big hand after all.
i admit it wasn't the strongest play pre-flop with 88. however. you were far too aggressive on that flop for my liking.

[jezza777]

Hey Slick,

okay I agree that the way he plays 88 is questionable , afterall its not that strong and other than a flop with an 8 on it what is he going to like? I would have pushed all in here with 88 and then you cant call with your holding. You say you have information on the reraiser that leads you to your decision, this is good as it means you are thinking about more than the cards. I would say that your call of his preflop raise is...... well not great as it gives him the opportunity to hit. If you push here he may fold anything up to JJ.

just my thoughts m8 

[The Big Slick]

Now Then - Now Then.

Thanks Jezza.  Your comments - as per the others as well - are appreciated.

[matt674]

IMHO his small re-raise is horrible...to a button raise I don't mind re-raising with pocket 8's but I want to win the pot there and then, so am more likely to push all in to win your button steal, the limper bets and the blinds. It is not a hand I want action with

Whilst he has given you the odds to call  his re-raise I think you are equally culpable in actually calling the re-raise

a) why on earth do you want to play K10 against the range of hands you have put him on?

b) why can't he have KK or AK? If the K drops then you are doing all your chips. why?

c) K 10 plays horribly against many re-raising hands, especially here as it seems he is demanding action


by all means button raise with K 10 but you must bail out when faced with serious resistance unless you specifically know it is a player prone to steal re-raises....

  - especially point a)! you are getting about 3-1 on your money to call preflop where the best case senario is that you are a 3-1 underdog going off the range of hands you put the reraiser on. However add to that all of the worse case senarios and you're call has -ev in the long run.