o/t Anyone else gonna be watching Cruft's ?

[Chili]

Sorry Ralph, i can appreciate your point to get a chance to see all those breeds.  My only plus point of working crufts was falling in love with Weimaraners who were jumping around all over the place for a whole day next to me, but i have seen and heard too much about that lifestyle that makes me gag.  So the answer to your question is - no, i will not be watching crufts  

(you touched on such a pet hate for me, no pun intended)

[madasahatstand]

i agree with chilli. for that amount of show you need a lot of preparation and most of these owners are in business. they MAKE the dog look good. most of the dogs do look happy when you see them but they are running and interacting with their owners and having fun. what about the times outside the ring? thats what i fear is not pretty.
all i say is let the dogs be dogs and get totally boggin and get matts now and again. when im out with my mums collie she goes into instinct mode and its  great to see. you see a lot of breeds in the country and the dogs are having a great time. maybe they should do a reality dogs show? 

[Sark79]

Sorry if my reply seemed abit extream.

I only wanted to point out that perhaps the dog doesn't like this as much as the owner says.

In my opinion dogs should do what dogs are suppose to do. This is run around and enjoy theirselves. Unfortunately dogs only live for a limited period of time. This is such a sad thing. When I see some of the yobs and scum robbing old grannies and attacking helpless people in the street for only a few pounds. I can't help but think, it should be them that has the limited lifespan. In my honest opinion dogs have far nicer personalities than alot of people. It is up to us to make their 12-20 years a happy time and a life filled with excitment and fun.

I had a relative who won one of the lower classes in crufts three or four times.  Unfortunatley I had the experience of staying with this person more often than I would want to as a child.  I saw first hand how her dogs were treated. They weren't treated cruely in my view. They were fed and lived in a comfortable environment. However they weren't given that extra ingredient that makes the whole pleasure of having a dog so worthwhile. Love and attention. Her dogs were treated like a tool to win with, much in the same way a racing driver treats his car. She was constantly tweaking and brushing and groomed the poor dogs for hours each day. There was no cuddles or play fights over a dog toy.

Over this period, I had the bad luck of meating many of her friends. Every single one of them didn't see the dogs as loving animals. They saw them as machines.  This is why, for me crufts degrades the dog.

I may tune into crufts for the obedience, flyball and agility. They are events I am convinced the dogs like to do.

Keeping a dog indoors in order to preserve his/her immaculate coat is no life for a dog.

Dogs do travel in carriers. The toydog class does. Maltese Terriers for example.

[thetank]

In my opinion dogs should do what dogs are suppose to do.

Just playing ifm's advocatate here, you obviously have a fondness for doggie wogs and I don't mean to infer anything from the following.

Do you keep your dog in an urban enviroment? Do you feed it dog food or do you go out hunting with it.

What is a dog supposed to do? When they were domesticated, we, as a species, pretty much made that up ourselves.

[Sark79]

In my opinion dogs should do what dogs are suppose to do.

What is a dog supposed to do? When they were domesticated, we, as a species, pretty much made that up ourselves.

I understand what you mean here, you are correct.

However as we ( dog owners) are the pack leaders. In my opinion, it is our duty to make a dogs life pleasurable. It is obvious that for me this means lots of walkies and fun.

I do keep my dog in an urban environment, as I live in an area with lots of other houses.  However I take my dog into the country for his walks. There he is able to run free without the danger of cars, bikes, ect. I would never go hunting with my dogs.

It is obvious that a part of a dogs natural instincts are to hunt. However, as I am one of the carers ( along with my family) for my dogs. I have  sidesteped this neccesary part of his life by providing food .

What is a ifm's?   

I am not saying I am correct. You may be correct. The owners/breeders may be correct.  Who know's.....

[thetank]

What is a ifm's?   

Blondite, known for his 

By ifm's advocate I meant devils advocate.

ie, Presenting a contrary opinion that may not necessary be a personal bellief held by you, just posting something for the sake of it to put off updating your STT thread because you just lost a wad of dosh and are trying to think of something to write about that isn't too self indulgent.

[Sark79]

What is a ifm's?   

Blondite, known for his 

By ifm's advocate I meant devils advocate.

ie, Presenting a contrary opinion that may not necessary be a personal bellief held by you, just posting something for the sake of it to put off updating your STT thread because you just lost a wad of dosh and are trying to think of something to write about that isn't too self indulgent.

I thought this may be it. Not the updating the STT thread bit, but the ' presenting a contrary opinion' part.  lol

But seriously, like I said I am not claiming to be correct. These are only my opinions.

I will say no more about the matter... I promise......  total silence on the matter from now on...

[Rod Paradise]

I tend to agree with Sark re a dog owner's responsibilites to the dog. And I've never met a dog that didn't dive into a mud puddle for the fun of it at some point.

As I live in a city centre flat I couldn't have a dog, (and I've recently developed doggy allergies ) . But once the lottery's won, the country home & a pack of dogs are on the cards.

[Trace]

I won't be watching it, but could list some people that I would love to see entering it..

All of them mongrels....

[thetank]

I just wanna see some posh lady say "bitch"

[madasahatstand]

I just wanna see some posh lady say "bitch"

tank, ive no problem calling you 'bitch' but unfortuneatley im not posh so it wont work for you......tee hee.... you still in a bad mood?

[thetank]

Yes, I can't get both my monitors working so I can only view half as much porn. 

[madasahatstand]

Yes, I can't get both my monitors working so I can only view half as much porn. 

maybe thats your problem. porn makes tank a very sad guy. maybe you are missing bint more than you know? how long were you together?

[thetank]

A fair whiley, year and a bit, on and off. Definately off for good now, a line has been crossed.

Was just joking about all the porn (although many a true word is spoken in jest)

You've maybe got a point, I am a bit sad at the moment. Need to get oot more and live it up a bit more.

I've been in Glasgow 6 months and I don't believe I've even taught the natives how to dance yet. 

[madasahatstand]

well get your dancing shoes on and get your backside out there. ill have a dance at the bash with you but make sure you got your gold slippers with you