Slipperyfish
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« on: March 21, 2006, 04:05:59 PM » |
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I was playing on Paradise Poker today for the first time in a while. Dont normally play on that site but like a wee change now and again. Decided i would play the $20 sng tables and would pickup some quick and easy cash. Now picture the seen, playing 3 tables at once. All started within 30 seconds of each other which was surprising how quick they filled up. Feeling pretty good about myself as i'm down to final four on all tables. Only need to knock one player out and i'm in the money. Then it happens all in the space of 30 seconds. I find myself in the position of being all in on 3 tables at once. Table 1: My  vs  Flop:  Turn  River  Table 2: My  vs  Flop:  Turn  River  Table 3: My  vs  Flop:  Turn  River  Thats it. Sucked out the 3 of them. Is it me? Can anyone see a pattern here? Are online sites rigged? I'm i getting paranoid like some of these other idiots? Will i just finish slitting my other wrist to make the pair? Somebody please tell me that it was just bad luck and nothing else. Slipperyfish 
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Maddog
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2006, 04:13:57 PM » |
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That sucks big time.  The poker gods can be cruel as well as kind (  ) somedays I can't draw the right cards even if I have a pen & paper.
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Gilbern74
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2006, 04:16:23 PM » |
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Somebody please tell me that it was just bad luck and nothing else.
Very bad luck indeed! Especially as it will cost you £1.50 for the bad beat tin
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chaosicq
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2006, 04:19:08 PM » |
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others will disagree im shore but no i dont think its bad luck i sometimes get the feeling if the software doesnt want u to win or wants u out you are out its that simple .my reasoning behind this u ask well computers cannot genarate random no's its not possible its a program and programs are not random are they. im a computer geek bye the way if u no different prove it i chalange any of the poker sites to prove otherwise. its like a fruit machine program and thats not random is it.but thats how i think it works, or must work.
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2006, 04:35:28 PM » |
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others will disagree im shore but no i dont think its bad luck i sometimes get the feeling if the software doesnt want u to win or wants u out you are out its that simple .my reasoning behind this u ask well computers cannot genarate random no's its not possible its a program and programs are not random are they. im a computer geek bye the way if u no different prove it i chalange any of the poker sites to prove otherwise. its like a fruit machine program and thats not random is it.but thats how i think it works, or must work.
I've just cracked the source code of the random card generator at Party and found this line - you could be right. IF playerid='chaosicq' AND playerid.holecards='AA' AND opponent.holecards='74' THEN flop='A86' AND turn='2' AND river='5'
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2006, 04:37:56 PM » |
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Fruit machines are not meant to be random though.
Besides which poker sites have very large sources of external entropy (ie players and their actions, response times, mouse movements etc) which they can use to generate random numbers.
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matt674
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2006, 04:37:57 PM » |
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2006, 04:46:12 PM » |
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Mind your head Matt
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snoopy1239
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2006, 04:51:24 PM » |
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You should have seen the final table at Hamilton.
Deck me face hit
Q-7 v K-K
flush on board. split pot
A-7 v K-J
stood up, even though the flop brought an open ended str8 draw
4-4 v 7-6 on 7 high flop.
runner runner flush
T-7 v A-K
rivered a str8
Q-7 v some more big cards
hit a Q
8-3 v 9-9
3-3 on flop
I don't think it was because the dealer liked me tho.
Sometimes you just get unlucky or lucky.
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Gilbern74
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2006, 04:52:53 PM » |
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im a computer geek bye the way if u no different prove it
I can prove you don't have a speel cheeker
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2006, 05:02:37 PM » |
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You should have seen the final table at Hamilton.
Deck me face hit
Q-7 v K-K
flush on board. split pot
A-7 v K-J
stood up, even though the flop brought an open ended str8 draw
4-4 v 7-6 on 7 high flop.
runner runner flush
T-7 v A-K
rivered a str8
Q-7 v some more big cards
hit a Q
8-3 v 9-9
3-3 on flop
I don't think it was because the dealer liked me tho.
Sometimes you just get unlucky or lucky.
you missed when you took fruity69 out when she had AK and you had Q7 and you flopped a flush giving fruity a flush draw but no luck for the young lady you also missed out the hand just before the final when you pushed all in with Ace high on a 9 6 6 board for bobby1 to call with his  and you to turn a 9
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snoopy1239
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2006, 05:06:57 PM » |
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You should have seen the final table at Hamilton.
Deck me face hit
Q-7 v K-K
flush on board. split pot
A-7 v K-J
stood up, even though the flop brought an open ended str8 draw
4-4 v 7-6 on 7 high flop.
runner runner flush
T-7 v A-K
rivered a str8
Q-7 v some more big cards
hit a Q
8-3 v 9-9
3-3 on flop
I don't think it was because the dealer liked me tho.
Sometimes you just get unlucky or lucky.
you missed when you took fruity69 out when she had AK and you had Q7 and you flopped a flush giving fruity a flush draw but no luck for the young lady you also missed out the hand just before the final when you pushed all in with Ace high on a 9 6 6 board for bobby1 to call with his  and you to turn a 9 shhhhh people will think I'm a fish 
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2006, 05:09:30 PM » |
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The way I see it, until you hold the absolute nuts, you can (and will) lose.
As for online poker sites not being entirely random, neither are real life games. Computers shuffle their virtual decks a whole lot more randomly than a casino dealer does. As for whether the cards that are dealt are rigged or not, I'm of the belief that they ain't ... I can only think of two ways that a poker site could manipulate the cards to their advantage:
1) Deal out hands/flops/etc that give everyone monster hands, so everyone bets, so the rake is bigger. 2) Have players at the table who are working for the site, and deal them all the outs.
(1) is a semi-plausible conspiracy theory, but I don't think (2) is ... consider how much money a poker site makes every minute compared to how much they would make by stealing your $20 buyin every time and potentially losing a disgruntled customer.
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Bongo
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2006, 05:15:53 PM » |
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If they wanted to maximise rake they'd want to have more split pots, they still take the rake but the money would stay in play for longer enabling them to rake it some more.
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Gilbern74
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2006, 05:22:34 PM » |
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There's a huge article on this in April's PokerPlayer magazine.
In summary - why would any poker site risk it's whole (hugely profitable highly successful) business on software that is fixed or picks out individuals and follows them around giving them bad beats all the time.
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