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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2006, 11:53:18 PM »

i'd bet out on the flop, then push all in on turn



but if the Ace doesn't come on the river I can bet the end looking like a thief and get called by all sorts of hands

granted I trapped, trapped and then trapped myself but i'm playing to extract chips not just pick up two limpers chips and thats it
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2006, 11:56:48 PM »

but if you come out betting it , they'll not put you on the 9
if you push on the turn then they really can only call you with a 9,  so you've got the max from the pot without getting shafted babe
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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2006, 11:59:53 PM »

Im getting my chips in on the flop, if not there all going in on the turn Cool i dont want to get out drawn.
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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2006, 12:01:09 AM »

but if you come out betting it , they'll not put you on the 9
if you push on the turn then they really can only call you with a 9,  so you've got the max from the pot without getting shafted babe
very true Mel, great minds and all that.....
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2006, 12:09:26 AM »

I think I would've checked the flop and put an end to the trapping shenanigans on the turn. You're still going to get called by any ace which is what you want. When the ace comes on the river I'm checking, the only thing you could achieve by betting would be pushing out anyone with the other nine, but they'd still probably call you and maybe even raise you back unless you pushed all-in.
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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2006, 12:23:06 AM »

He bluffed ya Tighty, Just confirm it for us.
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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2006, 01:22:46 AM »

that is a very gutsy bluff if it is a bluff. You can only put him on one hand and can't call, i couldn't anyway. i had a very similar situation with a notable player in a cash game and he mucked it face up instantly.
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2006, 01:28:34 AM »

From the river raisers point of viw, it is entirely possible that tightends has an Ace with a weak kicker. This would make him less keen to raise the river unless he had the goods.

Sure he might be bluffing, but if he is you need to be over 66.666666666666667% sure to make a call correct here IMHO.

I'd be nowhere near that certain and would muck 93o within a minute.
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2006, 01:49:48 AM »

I'm guessing you fold (i reluctantly would) and he has a 9.........even 93 Cheesy
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2006, 11:23:45 AM »

I folded after a long think, face up

Late winkie told me he had a pocket pair.

True or not, it was a great bet....

I played it all completely wrong

I had to fold, although in my heart of hearts I didn't think he had an Ace
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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2006, 12:48:44 PM »

The hand from my view:

Pre flop
A limp from the guy on the button. Never played against him before, but since I sat down at the table, I've seen him make some poor moves, but he's also got a decent stack. He starts playing with his chips before flat calling. Mmmm... I'm now thinking he's either got an absolute monster (AA, KK etc.), or he's got some sort of drawing hand (J10 suited maybe). I look down, find XX (I'll post what the XX is later), make up the blinds and Tightend checks on the BB. At this point I don't put Tighty on much of a hand, as he's made several all-in moves in the previous few hands.

Flop
Comes down ace-9-9. I check, Tighty checks and the button dwells for a few seconds, then checks. Now I'm still unsure about TE's hand (could be anything), but am now thinking he doesn't have an ace. Not sure what hand the button has - could still be the pre-flop monster AA or KK.

Turn
A 3 on the turn. Again I check. TE checks. Button has another dwell, but checks. I noticed TE starred at the button before checking. This could mean several things, but I keep it in mind. Again the button could be trapping with the made house (aces over 9's) or big two pair (KK 99).

River
The second A on the river. I check and TE bets 2k into a 1.8k pot. My brain's now thinking... "what hand can TE have that can possibly justify the 2K bet?...". The button is still to act and I'm sure TE has the same read as me about the button's possible hands. He obviously thinks the button is weak having checked both the flop and turn. Now I'm waiting for the button to act. 

The button passes. Bingo! So the button didn't have a monster all along and TE's read is correct. So, what does TE have? Don't put him on the A. If he had an A with a big kicker he would have made a play pre-flop. Maybe he has an A with a small/medium kicker? I ruled this out because he knows the button's checked the flop and TE has not bet on the turn to find out where he is.

But TE did have a look at the button on the turn. I didn't think he had a 9. As some posters have already said, TE has checked both the flop and the turn. I think he's making a play for the pot. My two options are to fold or to move in for the pot (which is now 3.8k). I move all-in and have TE covered in chips. A few reason for this move:
1. I've played with TE on many occasions and know he's a very accomplished player.
2. The button's passed.
3. My actual hand is immaterial now.

TE thinks for a while before finally folding the 93o face up.

I made it onto the final table third in chips. The chip leader had already knocked at two players in quick sucession during the first round, and is playing very loose. This is how I got knocked out: all pass, CL raised on the button, SB passes and I look down on the BB and find AhQh. I move-in (I'm going for the win and looking to double up). CL calls instantly with Ac7c. Nice... I'm well ahead! Board comes blank-7-blank-blank-blank. Fantastic(!)





My hand in the TE pot was 55.
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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2006, 01:09:30 PM »

Very well played, HOWEVER, we'll have 50p now please  Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2006, 01:15:06 PM »

Very well played, HOWEVER, we'll have 50p now please  Smiley

No charge Tank, this was not a bad beat just a lacking in the balls department.
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« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2006, 01:17:38 PM »

I think Tank's referring to the rant about my final table bad beat. 50p on its way....
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« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2006, 01:21:56 PM »

I think Tank's referring to the rant about my final table bad beat. 50p on its way....

Oh aye you did sneak that in at the end. cheeky
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