sick to death of crypto ie moan

[bundle]

just quashing another urban myth Cheesy

U Little Quasher

[The Baron]

Don't remember, i will have a look for the rest of the research later.

I'm sure he has a point but if the sample size is under a certain size then the variance may be within acceptale limits.

(Similarly in poker, with a small sample size for your results, a bad run may look like rigged software, your balance may seem like it's had huge losses, and you might think yourself a terrible player when this may not be the case.)

[tikay]

It does not give a sample size. 1% variance in 100 is "form"....!

Over a larger sample, it will balance out 50-50. It does not have to be a nice round number, like 100, 1,000, 10,000 or 100,000. Any large number will do. At given stages, one or other will be "ahead", then they wieil crossover. This is short-term variance. Over a large sample it will come out, as near as makes no difference, evens. It's not an urban myth, it's a fact.

Morre to the piont, if at a sample size of 100, it comes out at 51-49 could you, unerringly, with 100% success, nominate which "side" will win?.....NO! Because that's luck..........

[lazaroonie]

or just pure guesswork.....

i'll say it again luck doesnt exist.

and i will be attempting to prove this on the laddies graveyard freezeout....

[ifm]

I'm surprised you dispute the findings of a man with such a high standing as Persi Diaconis Tikay.
Others who dispute the "myth" :-

Joseph Ford. "How random is a coin toss?" Physics Today, 36:40-47, 1983.

Joseph B. Keller. "The probability of heads". American Mathematical Monthly, 93:191-197, 1986.

Vladimir Z. Vulovic and Richard E. Prange. "Randomness of a true coin toss". Physical Review A, 33:576-582, 1986.

[The Baron]

I'm surprised you dispute the findings of a man with such a high standing as Persi Diaconis Tikay.
Others who dispute the "myth" :-

Joseph Ford. "How random is a coin toss?" Physics Today, 36:40-47, 1983.

Joseph B. Keller. "The probability of heads". American Mathematical Monthly, 93:191-197, 1986.

Vladimir Z. Vulovic and Richard E. Prange. "Randomness of a true coin toss". Physical Review A, 33:576-582, 1986.

Two of these look as though they might be looking at the physical coin toss rather than the statistics of the results.

[tikay]

or just pure guesswork.....

i'll say it again luck doesnt exist.

and i will be attempting to prove this on the laddies graveyard freezeout....

Well no, I DO think luck exists, it just does. But we all get, roughly, the same good & bad, & folks who whinge at Bad beats foget the suck-outs.

The Graveyard? I am in OK shape, was 4th of 93 (124 began) 5 mins ago, but I had a bit of bad luck (oops) & dropped to 27th, then I had  bit of good luck (oops again) & am back up to 8th now...... It's that Luck thing, see.....

[tikay]

I'm surprised you dispute the findings of a man with such a high standing as Persi Diaconis Tikay.
Others who dispute the "myth" :-

Joseph Ford. "How random is a coin toss?" Physics Today, 36:40-47, 1983.

Joseph B. Keller. "The probability of heads". American Mathematical Monthly, 93:191-197, 1986.

Vladimir Z. Vulovic and Richard E. Prange. "Randomness of a true coin toss". Physical Review A, 33:576-582, 1986.

Surprised or not, I do dispute them & so, I fancy, do you!

Blind me with science? No thank you.

[lazaroonie]

only six places up on me after I got all in preflop with AA vs KK (playing as pattoc)


At the end of the days its all probability...and every piece of "luck" no matter how outrageous can be explained....

[RED-DOG]

I know people who can toss two coins at once and make them come both heads or tails at will (It's called Flamming)

To combat this skill, in a proper tossing ring players are required to flip the coins from the end of a flat stick

[tikay]

only six places up on me after I got all in preflop with AA vs KK (playing as pattoc)


At the end of the days its all probability...and every piece of "luck" no matter how outrageous can be explained....

I got you - 3,835 as I look. I'm on 4,665, & Red is on about 2,400.

[tikay]

I know people who can toss two coins at once and make them come both heads or tails at will (It's called Flamming)

To combat this skill, in a proper tossing ring players are required to flip the coins from the end of a flat stick

What on earth is a tossing ring Tom? Do they wager big money?

[ifm]

What on earth is a tossing ring Tom? Do they wager big money?

Is it like soggy biscuit?

[RED-DOG]

I know people who can toss two coins at once and make them come both heads or tails at will (It's called Flamming)

To combat this skill, in a proper tossing ring players are required to flip the coins from the end of a flat stick

What on earth is a tossing ring Tom? Do they wager big money?

OMG, you wouldn't believe it

A large group of men form in a circle, two men stand in the middle one is the "Penny Man" It's his job to ensure that everything is kosher, ie, the coins don't have two heads, bets are honoured, trouble makers are ejected etc, For providing thes service he takes a small rake from every "Pot"

The other man is the player who's turn it is to toss the coins, he gives the penny man the amount of money that he wants to wager, and the penny man walks around the circle calling out, for example, "£500, who wants any part of £500?"

Bets are then taken from the crowd until the £500 is covered, (The penny man is also responsible for remembering who bet what amount) then the rest of the crowd are free to bet among themselves

The player makes his throw, if both coins come down heads, he wins all bets and gets another turn, he can bet for more than his original £500 stake but not less, he can have as many turns as he likes until he loses, then it's the next mans turn

In 1978 at Doncaster races when all the Gypsies used to attend, I saw a man called Coppie Price throw 17 sets of heads, he won over £30,000 and a new Land Rover, back then, £30,000 was a lot of money

[tikay]

What a life you must lead Tom!