Irish Open - Here's The Deal......

[RED-DOG]

btw, Irony, but no malice

[M3boy]

Enough for me for one night - Im off to bed.

[vinni]

listen to be offered a deal ov this proportion @ turn it down

then go in with aa v ak @ lose i know what i would think

id be gutted ,as for dont play no more comps lol

i hope im sat on your table next time it will be interesting

[RED-DOG]

Well it seemed to me he was stating what you Have to do rather than what you think sensible to do. Of course you don't have to deal, and if you don't want to, no one can make you, so don't worry

Tom, come on, thats very nieve of you. You have I am sure seen the sort of pressure people can put on you at a final table when they want to deal and you dont, it almost turns into you against them.

It IS me against them

Irony etc etc

[vinni]

same here im going to bed to ,need  my sleep

see yer red

[vinni]

whats the them bit im not against any one

on my own as ussual

[RED-DOG]

whats the them bit im not against any one

on my own as ussual

No Barry, I was quoting Mboy, Oh nevermind.

My dad used to say, "If you're not in bed by midnight, come home!"

[vinni]

lol

[tikay]

In poker - uniquely amongst the Events you compare it with - the PLAYERS put up the Prize Pool. (Although in this, rare, instance, the Sponsors, Paddy Power, put up €50,000).

Well no.  In snooker the players have to pay an entry fee and if they do not have a sponsor for the tourney then there is no added cash up for grabs.  Witness the recent Malta Open where the money was really bad by their standards.

And those who punt on it? Sorry, that's caveat emptor.

 None of the Punters money finds it's way to the players via a Levy, so why should the players be bothered one iota about what happens to punters. It ain't their problem.

I never inferred that it was the players that should be concerned.  It is the bookmakers who should be made aware of what is happening in order to give their customers a fair deal.

In order for poker to eventually get into a more added money and sponsorship situation, the players have to make the finals as gripping as possible.  Otherwise it will disappear like 8 ball pool did (pretty much anyway).

I dunno Tikay, perhaps you don't really want to see the game evolve?...or maybe it's just late.

Axxe

ps 2 x's please

Apologies for the missing X.......

The snooker players do not put up all the Prize Money, they simply pay an entry fee, as golfers do. As you know.

I am sorry if I misread (a habit of mine) the "punting" point. But I have to say, I aint overly worried about bookies getting caught out - generally speaking, they can look after themelves! I'd never imagine a situation where I felt I could/should not deal because it means a bookie, who I have no knowledge of or care about, may lose a few bob. That's a matter between him & his Client, nowt to do with me.

If Deals are so terrible, why do players do them? Because they WANT to! It's a mystery to me why that should bother anyone except those involved in the deal. And they must all want to deal, because they are not forced to deal.

Poker is a players game, & the spectators, unless they start to pay to watch it - either directly, or via the TV companies actually putting some money in - have no rights whatsoever.

But the knife (or is it an Axe, or even an Axxe?) really goes in deep when you say I don't want poker to evolve. There are a multitude of more important matters to resolve than players doing deals. You are entitled to your view, & I to mine, but it's s bit sad when I get accused of not wanting poker to evolve. C'est le via, as someone said to me only this evening....

xx

[vinni]

well put i couldnt have put it better ,

it doesnt matter what is said on this forum

you can argue till the cows come home it will never stop it .

[M3boy]

Bugger you lot,,, now I cant bloody sleep!!!!! lol

Tikay, as I have said to Tom in a previous post, some people ARE forced into a deal, or made to feel VERY uneasy about not doing one. In that situation I have been a few times. I got the comments like "I hope you go out next" and "we will see to it that you DO go out next" etc.. etc...

Its like life, the minority is ALWAYS made to feel the bad person.

I have to admit though, I am loving this debate!! Even though it is keeping me awake at 3.14am!!!!

[vinni]

no one should be forced into a deal

thats bad i had that tried on me by 6 asians in manchester ,

told them where to go. never let anyone force you to do anything

[tikay]

Yes Paul, it's a cracking debate.

We are all entitled to our views.

[M3boy]

No, I have never been forced into a deal, and I NEVER will.

BUT I can honestly say that I believe those tourneys would of turned out different had those others involved not wanted a deal either

[RobS]

no one should be forced into a deal

thats bad i had that tried on me by 6 asians in manchester ,

told them where to go. never let anyone force you to do anything

This happened to me in Salford. I gave in and made a deal, didn't fancy my chances playing 4 against 1.

Nobody's mentioned yet that another reason people like to deal is that they have little to no experience of playing short-handed poker. Players who play live MTT's by definition spend almost all their playing time 8-10 handed. So it is understandable when on the rare occasions they get down to the final few players they want to deal rather than play a short-handed game in which they have little experience.