Tournament Rules the Liam Flood Way

[tikay]

i think the point is that everyone is made well aware of the rules - which can only be a good thing. you might not agree with the rules, but thats just tough...

When I was playing some tournaments in tunica this year, the standard on this varied greatly - at the Grand, which is a WSOP venue, the card room manager stood with his microphone for fully five minutes and went thru a big list of rules, including F-bomb etc, before a hand was dealt. Yes it got tedious, but you were couldnt use the old ignorance excuse when there was any controversy.

Sams Town on the other hand seemed to have a more lax attitude towards the rules, but maybe thats because the cardroom manager was out drinking with us until 7am....

Exactly!

Liam insisted on reading every rule out, line by line, word by word. So there were no excuses. And there were no disputes.

Make up whatever Rules you wish (for starters..) but make sure the players know them.

I despair at times - it really is THAT simple!

[tikay]

Playing poker in different venues is a bit like playing pool in a new pub for the first time. Lots of scope for misunderstandings, accidental or not.

Having standard rules, especially published well in advance of the tourney, makes so much sense.

I'm sure Teacake will like rule 20, after the dealer tried to put the clock on him during a hand:

"If a player is taking too much time to make a decision, another player involved in the pot may ask for the clock. If this happens, the player has 60 seconds to make a decision, and afer the 60 seconds the hand will be dead."

Agreed. I had the clock put on me on Sunday by a player not involved in the hand, on the grouds that I was deliberately running down the Clock. I was average stack, he was chip leader.....

But as there were no "agreed" Rules, I had no argument. Neither did he, for that matter, but you get the drift & it makes the case.

[way_too_tight]

6) English must be spoken at all times during a hand.

Surely this makes the game very loud ?

[way_too_tight]

16) The minimum raise is DOUBLE THE PREVIOUS BET.

And on a more serious note - this is ambiguous at best.

So if I bet 10 you have to raise by at least 20 (a minimum of 30 to go ?)

And the next player has to raise by a minimum of 60 ? or 40 ?

odd rules....

[Teacake]

I'm sure Teacake will like rule 20, after the dealer tried to put the clock on him during a hand:

"If a player is taking too much time to make a decision, another player involved in the pot may ask for the clock. If this happens, the player has 60 seconds to make a decision, and afer the 60 seconds the hand will be dead."

 

Yeah that was quite funny, he tried put me on 20 seconds & I'd only dwelt for about 30 secs tops, plus it was still the first level  
TBF the guy was only trying to help out & wasn't a proper dealer.

[tikay]

The clarity or ambiguity of the Rules is not really my point - I just wanna KNOW the Rules before I play!

[bolt pp]

The clarity or ambiguity of the Rules is not really my point - I just wanna KNOW the Rules before I play!

irrespective of what they are?

i know that you have the freedom of choice regarding tourement selection, but is there are part of the game about which you feel so strongly that you would be detered from entering a tournament because it was ommitted/included?

that goes to anyone, is there a particular area of live tournement play that you insist on having clarified before you enter.

[RED-DOG]

The clarity or ambiguity of the Rules is not really my point - I just wanna KNOW the Rules before I play!

irrespective of what they are?

i know that you have the freedom of choice regarding tourement selection, but is there are part of the game about which you feel so strongly that you would be detered from entering a tournament because it was ommitted/included?

that goes to anyone, is there a particular area of live tournement play that you insist on having clarified before you enter.

Blind structure!

[tikay]

The clarity or ambiguity of the Rules is not really my point - I just wanna KNOW the Rules before I play!

irrespective of what they are?

i know that you have the freedom of choice regarding tourement selection, but is there are part of the game about which you feel so strongly that you would be detered from entering a tournament because it was ommitted/included?

that goes to anyone, is there a particular area of live tournement play that you insist on having clarified before you enter.

This is chicken & egg. If the rules, structure & clock are not to my satisfaction, I don't have to enter the comp! But that's far better than finding out halfway through that things are not what I expected.

We need to start SOMEWHERE, & a clearly laid out set of Rules is a good place to start, even if the Rules are naff.

[bolt pp]

Ive never experianced a memorialised set of rules for live play.

It just seems so simple.

As to whether or not it is adopted by other tds remains to be seen.

I wonder if the power of blonde can make this poker precedent, not the encumpassing rules neccesarily, just the principal.

[tikay]

Ive never experianced a memorialised set of rules for live play.

It just seems so simple.

As to whether or not it is adopted by other tds remains to be seen.

I wonder if the power of blonde can make this poker precedent, not the encumpassing rules neccesarily, just the principal.

You always know when something is a good idea when you look at it and think "now why did we not think of that before?"....!

I think maybe we should keep the momentum going by chatting about it on 425 when we record later today. And I agree, the content of the Rules is less important than actually having the Rules. First things first, & one thing will lead to the other. Get a set of pre-printed Rules, then, over time, get them modified.

[Junior Senior]

this is an excellent idea, well done Liam. - However, I can't believe we are all so happy / amazed and delighted this was done!! - surely this should be expected before you get to any event or play any game.  For example when i enter a Notts Union or English Union Golf Event i get the terms, rules and conditions of entry through the post immediately as does everyone who enters the competition - to not have this would just be ridiculous - it is is 100% expected! - Anyone outside the game of poker looking in will just be laughing at us that we are all so happy at such a simple thing - but i suppose for a game in its popular infancy its a start.

on a side note rule 13 is my favourite - why would anyone ever want a deck change unless it was damaged? - only supersticious losers ask for deck changes. IMO

[Raindogs]

on a side note rule 13 is my favourite - why would anyone ever want a deck change unless it was damaged? - only supersticious losers ask for deck changes. IMO

This is one of my biggest pet peeves at the table.  It has happened on to me 3 times now and as far as I can see it is simply a time wasting exercise.  If the dealer wants to change the deck fine, but when a player asks for it I think it should be refused.  By the time the dealer has had the new deck and shuffled it you have usually lost around 2-3 minutes, which is very annoying if you are shortstacked and want to see as many hands as possible at the lower blind levels.

I think the next time it happens I am going to object to see what happens.

[dik9]

In every Casino cardroom in the country, there is a set of rules laid out on the wall somewhere. This is stipulated by guideline 3, whether people read it or not these are the rules that THAT particular cardroom go by (I can honestly say that in 17 years of running comps, I have yet to see anyone study them). When the Broadway opened, a 6 page consice rule was incased in a frame and hung up for display, however there is a bible that the supervisors and players can refer to, but it is 47 pages long.

My personal gripe is the difference from cardroom to cardroom, as it is not pheasable for all players to read this epic before play at each casino. A unified set of rules would be so much more comprehensible to players, and everyone would know where they stand before play. Task in hand, watch this space.

[Dingdell]

at a recent tourney i saw a player ask for a copy which he duly received.  He then picked them up on several points as the card room applied different rules during the actual tourney