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« on: May 08, 2006, 12:18:55 PM »

I hate it when people buy in to a cash game win a big pot (sometimes a small pot) then leave straight away. It drives me insane and i think they are pathetic.

Anyone agree?
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2006, 12:28:59 PM »

So if you have a really big win at the bookmakers do you

1) Leave the shop with your winnings

or

2) Stand there feeling a little sorry for the bookmaker thinking to yourself "well maybe i should stick around and donate some of my money back to him"
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2006, 12:33:16 PM »

Its up to them IMO.  For every person who does that, there are a dozen who buy in with far too little for the level, try to get lucky, lose and leave.  Swings and roundabouts.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2006, 12:39:26 PM »

To me gambling is a business, i am in it to make a profit - be it against a bookmaker, a casino or other poker players. I feel i need to set myself a limit as to how much i am going to win or lose. Once i have lost my allocated limit, i get up and i walk away regardless of who i am trying to win from - the same with winning, once i have made my allocated profit i get up and walk away.

Having the discipline to do it is the hard part for a gambler but it is one that is essential. Some say its wrong to leave a game if the conditions are in your favour but how many times have people said that "i'm on a roll, i cant lose" only to then give back what they've already won.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2006, 12:42:29 PM »

Of course it's up to them but there isn't much honour in it.
I particularly hate it when someone comes on and performs a horrific outdraw then leaves immediately.

Its up to them IMO.  For every person who does that, there are a dozen who buy in with far too little for the level, try to get lucky, lose and leave.  Swings and roundabouts.

Don't get me started on the people who buy in for $5 dollars a go on a $100 table, they should be strung up.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2006, 12:47:15 PM »

People buying in for the minimum is great - they usually lose it really quickly and it keeps the table topped up with cash!
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2006, 12:47:43 PM »

Of course it's up to them but there isn't much honour in it.
I particularly hate it when someone comes on and performs a horrific outdraw then leaves immediately.

Its up to them IMO.  For every person who does that, there are a dozen who buy in with far too little for the level, try to get lucky, lose and leave.  Swings and roundabouts.

Don't get me started on the people who buy in for $5 dollars a go on a $100 table, they should be strung up.

I dont gamble for honour - i gamble for profit
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2006, 12:56:57 PM »

those small stacks buy in small gamble like mad, triple up and leave.
What do i stand to gain from them and what do they stand to gain from me, i don't mind putting my money up against someone else but when they have produced a number of sick outdraws and actually have a stack that can dent mine considerably they still play it like it's their $5 buy in and go for any draw with no odds and usually hit it. They have an edge if they can parlay their $5 up to something significant and still p[lay it like it's $5.
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2006, 12:58:04 PM »

Ditto.  I know exactly what you mean, but at the end of the day most people want to make a bit of cash along the way.  If they are a pants player and have just got lucky, don't worry it they walk away... I'm sure they'll be back... and hopefully you'll be at the same table as them when they do come back...
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2006, 12:59:15 PM »

I see your point from a cardrooms perspective.

It is Etiquette to announce last three hands, even if you don't play them. When someone comes in and plays one hand and takes the money of the table, it sometimes kills a reasonable game. I have seen a player who does this regularly, walk to an empty seat in cash game as he was first on the waiting list, and all the players stopped the game stood up and all put their names down at the bottom of the waiting list. This maybe chopping their nose off to spite their face, but I think the hit and run player got the message!
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2006, 01:12:53 PM »

they still play it like it's their $5 buy in and go for any draw with no odds

Wait, you don't like people with large stacks playing really badly either?
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2006, 01:15:00 PM »

Great post Matt.

Something I need to do more often. The leaving a table when I have lost my "allocated" loosing amount I have mastered, its the leaving a table when reaching the "allocated" winning amount thats the problem. Because if I sit down at 4 tables of $2 $4 and double up early on 2 or 3 of the tables, for me it is hard to leave as I want to play for a "set" amount of time. Something I need to work on.

As for people buying in for the minimum, getting lucky then leaving - good luck to them. For how many of those there are, it is alot less than the people who buy in for the minimum and loose!
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2006, 01:44:07 PM »

When i play cash games i do usually buy in for the maximum but have no qualms about anyone else buying in for as little as they like and how long they stay.

Generally short stacks are poor/weak players and usually give their little bit of money to the table and leave.

I have personally experimented buying in with a Short stack and have found it profitable if played properly, wait for a good spot to double up and then leave. When you see a short stack sit at a cash table you automatically sterotype that player as weak and will try and push them around if you are involved in a pot with them. I am guilty of this myself when short stacks sit at my table and constantly see other players doing the same. You can use this stereotyping to your advantage and make some decent cash. I personally play with the max buy in as i love playing flops and the streets. But give it a try, buy in as a short stack say 1/4 of the buy in and watch people try and run you out of the pot everytime, often with them having marginal holdings
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2006, 01:49:57 PM »

I think there is adifferent etiquette betwqeen live and online


Live I would never leave asap after a big win and would announce to the tabel I am intending to leave a round before I do so

Online I have no qualms about leaving asap, I am doing it to turn a profit and achieve an hourly win rate etc...why shouldn't I get up?

Love to see shortstacks at my table too, generally poorer players and my variance reduces because though I am not going to win ther max from a big hand I am going to lose less from a "whole stack moment" if a biggie is cracked


Finally, I always leave after I have hit a stop loss, never reload and start again...leave it a while and start again with a new mindset and not chasing losses

 
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2006, 02:00:34 PM »

They may play one hand in that session, they may play 1000 in the next. Its all relevant. However long they stay for, don't let it get to you just remember that cash is one long game.

In fact if I know that it winds people up, the next time I double up in hand one, I might leave the room and return to the same game under a different account in the hope that I have tilted someone! Wink
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