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Title: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Gryff on January 03, 2007, 04:26:49 PM
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2006- at the end i had £21k. at peak i had £170k, and on the opposite end, i've emptied my bankroll at least twice. i managed to do 3 epts, 5 live events with €3000+ buy in and really sucked in each one but enjoyed each tournament whilst i was still in.

He then goes on to state that his goals for 2007 include making £500k from poker? lol

The state of denial this person lives in is pretty bad, I wonder when he's going to realise its over?

Does anyone want to give odds that he's going to have a bankroll over £50k again in the next year and substain it without going busto before the end of the year again?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: NoflopsHomer on January 03, 2007, 04:32:37 PM
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=14382.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=14382.0)


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Gryff on January 03, 2007, 04:35:19 PM
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=14382.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=14382.0)

Its all the way down the bottom of the page :) besides its getting a bit long.



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: CelticGeezeer on January 03, 2007, 04:36:53 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how much enjoyment can had  revelling in somebody else's misfortune.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Gryff on January 03, 2007, 05:04:43 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how much enjoyment can had  revelling in somebody else's misfortune.

I wonder how it can be labelling misfortune? The comments on the guys blogs have given him enough reason to quit the games he was in at his peak, he has been told repeatedly to utilise proper BR management and to play the lower limit games but he's got an addiction and he wont be able to quit until he actually wants to quit himself.

I think its a pity, and I certainly havn't gotten any enjoyment from it.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: LeKnave on January 03, 2007, 05:23:13 PM
making £500k from poker

Ive read his blog for a while now, and could never believe how he played so high with his BR...

Sure this £500K from a few hundred is a pipedream...


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bobby1 on January 03, 2007, 07:53:33 PM
I think this blog is so good as entertainment but I do feel for the guy.

The one thing that annoys me about most bloggers is when they are running good they update a lot and when you dont see a post for three weeks you know the next one will be along the lines of' ran bad, did a load in' with no details of hands or talk throughs. When they have won a load the pieces are full of hand histories, biggest pots I ever won kinda entries and general bravado.


I respect this guy a lot for painting this disaster and having the balls to continue honestly and openly, I hope he bounces back but it looks doubtful.

regards

ps. for how I like a blog to be done see Thewwy's, more coverage to the badly played hands and embarrassing moments than the tourney wins.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Sark79 on January 03, 2007, 08:07:40 PM
I respect the guy, he plays at a level far higher than I probably ever will. He is still a young bloke, he has done it before and I think he will be back up there again this year. I am sure he has learned from his mistakes and will take this learned knowledge into his comeback quest.  I wish I had his ability.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: NoflopsHomer on January 03, 2007, 08:08:35 PM
I think this blog is so good as entertainment but I do feel for the guy.

The one thing that annoys me about most bloggers is when they are running good they update a lot and when you dont see a post for three weeks you know the next one will be along the lines of' ran bad, did a load in' with no details of hands or talk throughs. When they have won a load the pieces are full of hand histories, biggest pots I ever won kinds entries and general bravado.


I respect this guy a lot for painting this disaster and having the balls to continue honestly and openly, I hope he bounces back but it looks doubtful.

regards

ps. for how I like a blog to be done see Thewwy's, more coverage to the badly played hands and embarrassing moments than the tourney wins.

I agree, the Jeff Lisandro post from a couple of weeks ago was very funny.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bobby1 on January 03, 2007, 08:12:23 PM
I think this blog is so good as entertainment but I do feel for the guy.

The one thing that annoys me about most bloggers is when they are running good they update a lot and when you dont see a post for three weeks you know the next one will be along the lines of' ran bad, did a load in' with no details of hands or talk throughs. When they have won a load the pieces are full of hand histories, biggest pots I ever won kinds entries and general bravado.


I respect this guy a lot for painting this disaster and having the balls to continue honestly and openly, I hope he bounces back but it looks doubtful.

regards

ps. for how I like a blog to be done see Thewwy's, more coverage to the badly played hands and embarrassing moments than the tourney wins.

I agree, the Jeff Lisandro post from a couple of weeks ago was very funny.

Yes, that is a great example of someone comfy taking the micky out of themselves.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tonji on April 06, 2007, 09:49:07 AM
flicking through some blogs, & noticed bluescouse is back, the violent bankroll swings continue


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on April 06, 2007, 10:02:35 AM
Some more great reading, you got to love this guy.



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: marcro on April 06, 2007, 11:00:20 AM
He is amazing and somehow I think he will build up his bankroll well into the six figures.  Good luck to him and it is good to see his blog back in action - compelling reading.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: iceman on April 06, 2007, 11:07:01 AM
meanwhile west midlands police report a massive increase in building society robberies


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: matt674 on April 06, 2007, 11:12:13 AM
19th July


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Ironside on April 06, 2007, 11:38:30 AM
bust by the 2nd of june


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tragic on April 06, 2007, 11:45:05 AM
At least a fun blog is back! He's playin 40/80 again already....lol. What's his username?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: AndrewT on April 06, 2007, 12:34:28 PM
I love the fact that he's only been away 2 and a half months and yet that was still time to have a complete start to busto blog which we didn't know about.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on April 06, 2007, 01:02:56 PM
The link to the blog I have hasn't been updated? Is he using a different web page now?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Wardonkey on April 06, 2007, 01:04:16 PM
http://88percent.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on April 06, 2007, 01:06:55 PM
Hasn't been updated since 21st Jan right? Where are you guys getting your info from?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Wardonkey on April 06, 2007, 01:09:38 PM
??

There is a new post dated 5th of April!


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on April 06, 2007, 01:11:15 PM
thats wierd I wonder when I look its not updated?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bolt pp on April 06, 2007, 01:14:35 PM
thats wierd I wonder when I look its not updated?

did you pay your subscription?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on April 06, 2007, 01:17:18 PM
I assume your joking?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bolt pp on April 06, 2007, 01:20:21 PM
I assume your joking?

No,

you have to pay a monthly subscription

It's been implimented this year for certain types of blogs, that's why you can't see the updated version.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on April 06, 2007, 01:21:28 PM
Oh ok, didn't know that.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Ironside on April 06, 2007, 01:22:22 PM
woodsey its proberlt because your aol proxy hasnt refreshed the page

aol sucks that way


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on April 06, 2007, 01:23:06 PM
Antthing I can do to sort it?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ACE2M on April 06, 2007, 01:49:44 PM
delete your cache if your using firefox or clear cookies and temp internet files in i.e.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Ironside on April 06, 2007, 01:59:28 PM
the problem is proberly with aol caching a page on there server not sure how to resolve that as i wont touch aol


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Horneris on April 06, 2007, 02:33:28 PM
Brilliant, hes back. Should be fun.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ChipRich on April 06, 2007, 03:21:04 PM
Loved reading his blog before, should be good.

Says his Bankrolls at 64k, not bad!

He'll easily lose it though.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Eyeofsauron on April 06, 2007, 04:50:50 PM
He never went away. He was still playing poker after his "final post" but wasn't updating his blog.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on April 06, 2007, 04:54:30 PM
"Sunday 18th march i had £130"
Now hes back with 64k..

You got to give him something, he must have a game.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Sark79 on April 06, 2007, 05:05:59 PM
If you look at any of the big fulltilt players, they all have the ability to play without any fear. This guy can do that as well. He is only 19, just wait untill he builds up experience over the next few years, he will be one of the online players who everyone talks about and in a positive way.  I wish I could play the way he does.  What is his new name?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ACE2M on April 06, 2007, 05:13:10 PM
you can watch some sessions of his here

http://www.runittwice.com/gamedetails.aspx?ID=RHOQPRK7514166


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Horneris on April 06, 2007, 05:17:58 PM
Hes BlueOmaha i assume?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ACE2M on April 06, 2007, 05:28:38 PM
Hes BlueOmaha i assume?

yes


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tragic on April 06, 2007, 06:11:28 PM
Are there any others fro,m  him?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Delboy on April 06, 2007, 06:58:56 PM
http://www.runittwice.com/viewgame.aspx?id=LJIBOOQ6052556


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on April 06, 2007, 08:20:53 PM
Is that his new screenname then?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: snoopy1239 on April 07, 2007, 12:06:04 AM
If you look at any of the big fulltilt players, they all have the ability to play without any fear. This guy can do that as well. He is only 19, just wait untill he builds up experience over the next few years, he will be one of the online players who everyone talks about and in a positive way.  I wish I could play the way he does.  What is his new name?

Doesn't matter how good you are, if you don't have the discipline then you'll always be on a par with a total amatuer. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that this guy will never have the discipline of the great online players and will always do his bollox in the end.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: AlexMartin on April 07, 2007, 12:17:22 AM
But in order to build a really huge bankroll, do you not need a lot of gamble in you?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: tikay on April 07, 2007, 12:21:53 AM
But in order to build a really huge bankroll, do you not need a lot of gamble in you?

Who needs a huge bankroll? There''s plenty of fun at all levels of the game, & enough money to get by on.

The real winners at this game are the likes of Paul Parker -  a real survivor over a very long time. Not sponsored, but he gets by, plays as often as he wants, & wherever he wants, & enjoys every day, ever smiling. Now THATS a huge winner in my book, never mind these 5 minute wonders.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Wardonkey on April 07, 2007, 12:25:49 AM
If you look at any of the big fulltilt players, they all have the ability to play without any fear. This guy can do that as well. He is only 19, just wait untill he builds up experience over the next few years, he will be one of the online players who everyone talks about and in a positive way.  I wish I could play the way he does.  What is his new name?

Doesn't matter how good you are, if you don't have the discipline then you'll always be on a par with a total amatuer. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that this guy will never have the discipline of the great online players and will always do his bollox in the end.

Agreed, he will go bust again and again. He will hurt himself and his friends and family.

He seems like a decent bloke, but he has a serious gambling problem and will need to address it sooner or later.

Sark, the ability to play without fear and distance yourself from the value of the money you are playing with is different from not being able to control your compulsions. Many in the poker world have gambling related problems including many of the most talented players. These types of problems can be every bit as destructive as drugs, alcohol and other addictions.





Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: AndrewT on April 07, 2007, 12:30:39 AM
But in order to build a really huge bankroll, do you not need a lot of gamble in you?

Who needs a huge bankroll? There''s plenty of fun at all levels of the game, & enough money to get by on.

The real winners at this game are the likes of Paul Parker -  a real survivor over a very long time. Not sponsored, but he gets by, plays as often as he wants, & wherever he wants, & enjoys every day, ever smiling. Now THATS a huge winner in my book, never mind these 5 minute wonders.

Quite right.

Surely the whole point of being a 'poker pro' is the ability to divorce yourself from the trials and tribulations that the world of work places upon us. Spending time doing what you enjoy, when you want. Calling the shots in your own life, instead of having them called for you.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: tikay on April 07, 2007, 12:30:58 AM
If you look at any of the big fulltilt players, they all have the ability to play without any fear. This guy can do that as well. He is only 19, just wait untill he builds up experience over the next few years, he will be one of the online players who everyone talks about and in a positive way.  I wish I could play the way he does.  What is his new name?

Doesn't matter how good you are, if you don't have the discipline then you'll always be on a par with a total amatuer. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that this guy will never have the discipline of the great online players and will always do his bollox in the end.

Agreed, he will go bust again and again. He will hurt himself and his friends and family.

He seems like a decent bloke, but he has a serious gambling problem and will need to address it sooner or later.

Sark, the ability to play without fear and distance yourself from the value of the money you are playing with is different from not being able to control your compulsions. Many in the poker world have gambling related problems including many of the most talented players. These types of problems can be every bit as destructive as drugs, alcohol and other addictions.





Some of the very best Tourney players are off the scene pretty much because they either have a gambling problem, or lack self-discipline.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Sark79 on April 07, 2007, 12:37:36 AM
I do think it must be a massive help if you are able to shut out the fear of losing.  The reason I will probably potter around at the lower limits for the rest of my poker life is due to the fear of losing money.  I still get annoyed with myself if I drop a $10 pot, etc.  I doubt that a Gus Hansen or another top player ever feels nervous when they have a large amount of money in the middle, some people are able to shut the fear out of their games in a natural way.  He may have a gambling problem or he may just be a 19 year old who enjoys the attention he gets. He even said himself that he feels a pressure to play higher than he should to remain entertaining for his 'fans'.  Take away the blog and the reckless side to his game may also go. 

If you look at any of the people in sport who appeal to the public, they are fearless.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Royal Flush on April 07, 2007, 05:03:48 AM
But in order to build a really huge bankroll, do you not need a lot of gamble in you?

Who needs a huge bankroll? There''s plenty of fun at all levels of the game, & enough money to get by on.

The real winners at this game are the likes of Paul Parker -  a real survivor over a very long time. Not sponsored, but he gets by, plays as often as he wants, & wherever he wants, & enjoys every day, ever smiling. Now THATS a huge winner in my book, never mind these 5 minute wonders.

The reason Paul is a winner is because he always darts off when its his round!


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: tikay on April 07, 2007, 09:49:52 AM
I do think it must be a massive help if you are able to shut out the fear of losing.   The reason I will probably potter around at the lower limits for the rest of my poker life is due to the fear of losing money.  I still get annoyed with myself if I drop a $10 pot, etc.  I doubt that a Gus Hansen or another top player ever feels nervous when they have a large amount of money in the middle, some people are able to shut the fear out of their games in a natural way.  He may have a gambling problem or he may just be a 19 year old who enjoys the attention he gets. He even said himself that he feels a pressure to play higher than he should to remain entertaining for his 'fans'.  Take away the blog and the reckless side to his game may also go. 

If you look at any of the people in sport who appeal to the public, they are fearless.

If you want to remain in your chosen pursuit - in this case poker - for a lifetime, or, at least, a long time, fear of losing is key. The thought that if I blow all my money I won't be able to continue gives me that balance between reckless gamble & sensible decision. I've never played at the level this kid has, nor have I ever lost the amounts he has. But I've survived. He, sadly, will not.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: RED-DOG on April 07, 2007, 10:11:06 AM
I have managed to survive for quite a while now with poker as my only income. I don't have a lot of ability, but I do have a lot of discipline.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on April 07, 2007, 10:14:32 AM
I have managed to survive for quite a while now with poker as my only income. I don't have a lot of ability, but I do have a lot of discipline.

I think we have to remember hes only 18 or so and really has no comittments, nows the time for him to give it a shot in my opinion.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Sark79 on April 07, 2007, 10:22:50 AM
I have managed to survive for quite a while now with poker as my only income. I don't have a lot of ability, but I do have a lot of discipline.


You have had a lot of good results Boss, so you must have the ability.


I don't know if this Eds guys approach is right or wrong, but I feel a large part of the way he plays is down to not wanting to disappoint his fans. This is bad in my view, he should quit his blog and play without the pressure.  If he did this, then his style and approach to money would become a bit more reserved.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ariston on April 07, 2007, 10:32:26 AM
I can only quote on the pond I play in (betfairs) but 2 of the biggest winners on there have huge swings and major tilt issues. Both Rayvon and Grundy can lose more than my entire roll in one bad day but both have won plenty overall. Any guy who can spin up £130 to 64k in a week has to have talent. If he had bankroll management etc there is no way he could spin it up so quickly. Ok he may spend the next few years going millionaire/bust etc but so do many of the young scandies (I have spoken to a few who have won a million dollars then done it in over the next month only to win another million)- they don't write a blog about it though. Just because this kid is a huge risk taker doesn't mean he can't play the game and I am astounded how many people revel in the guys car crashes (how many people have posted comments like he will be broke in a month etc?). If this guy was a blondite would he be getting such stick from you all? I think its one of the major flaws in human nature than certain people just want to see others fail when they don't even try themselves. Paul Parker is a wonderful bloke and I would class him as a mate but he isn't in the same class as a Gus Hansen (who has been broke several times over the years becasue of his gun ho approach).


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: RED-DOG on April 07, 2007, 10:40:13 AM
Paul Parker is a wonderful bloke and I would class him as a mate but he isn't in the same class as a Gus Hansen (who has been broke several times over the years becasue of his gun ho approach).

That depends upon how you measure class.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: tikay on April 07, 2007, 10:45:18 AM
I can only quote on the pond I play in (betfairs) but 2 of the biggest winners on there have huge swings and major tilt issues. Both Rayvon and Grundy can lose more than my entire roll in one bad day but both have won plenty overall. Any guy who can spin up £130 to 64k in a week has to have talent. If he had bankroll management etc there is no way he could spin it up so quickly. Ok he may spend the next few years going millionaire/bust etc but so do many of the young scandies (I have spoken to a few who have won a million dollars then done it in over the next month only to win another million)- they don't write a blog about it though. Just because this kid is a huge risk taker doesn't mean he can't play the game and I am astounded how many people revel in the guys car crashes (how many people have posted comments like he will be broke in a month etc?). If this guy was a blondite would he be getting such stick from you all? I think its one of the major flaws in human nature than certain people just want to see others fail when they don't even try themselves. Paul Parker is a wonderful bloke and I would class him as a mate but he isn't in the same class as a Gus Hansen (who has been broke several times over the years becasue of his gun ho approach).

Which misses my point by a country mile, & is entirely out of context.

Same class as Gus, as a player I assume you mean, absolutely not (though knowing them both I'd venture the personal opinion that, as a person, Paul's a far better man), but the idea I put forward is that REAL winners, in my book, are not those who win zillions & then lose it a week later, it's those who survive in the game. I use Paul Parker as an illustration - here is a man who does not put himself under money pressure, plays wherever & whenever he wishes, has not "worked" for as long as I've known him, & enjoys every moment of his poker, & thus is ever smiley & happy.

That, to me, is a winner -  proper winner. He wins enough to keep himself in the game, buy the material things he needs, never work, & a man who even looks like he is loving his life. Would winning a zillion make Paul any different, or change the size of the games he plays? I think not. He don't need to.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: tikay on April 07, 2007, 10:48:48 AM
I can only quote on the pond I play in (betfairs) but 2 of the biggest winners on there have huge swings and major tilt issues. Both Rayvon and Grundy can lose more than my entire roll in one bad day but both have won plenty overall. Any guy who can spin up £130 to 64k in a week has to have talent. If he had bankroll management etc there is no way he could spin it up so quickly. Ok he may spend the next few years going millionaire/bust etc but so do many of the young scandies (I have spoken to a few who have won a million dollars then done it in over the next month only to win another million)- they don't write a blog about it though. Just because this kid is a huge risk taker doesn't mean he can't play the game and I am astounded how many people revel in the guys car crashes (how many people have posted comments like he will be broke in a month etc?). If this guy was a blondite would he be getting such stick from you all? I think its one of the major flaws in human nature than certain people just want to see others fail when they don't even try themselves. Paul Parker is a wonderful bloke and I would class him as a mate but he isn't in the same class as a Gus Hansen (who has been broke several times over the years becasue of his gun ho approach).

.....but have they? If they lose as much as they win, & need to keep repeating the trick, where's the gain? Have they really won plenty overall? Sure, they've won plenty. And lost plenty.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ariston on April 07, 2007, 10:54:48 AM
rayvon started with 5k and won over a million and grundy has a high 6figure/almost 7 figure dollar roll as well so yeh I would say they are both fantastic players- they can still lose 50-100k in a day when things go wrong for them. On another thread we have read about ram smashing 600k in v srugby heads up- does this make him any less classy a guy? Good luck to bluescouse, I for one hope he continues to run it up and I don't "hope" he will be broke in a month for my entertainment. Riverdave on here used to be the king of the spinups- ask him how it feels to run almost nothing to 6 figures then back down again- "I told you so" from others makes the others look like classless, jelous idiots in my eyes.

I was saying class about paul as in class of player- as a person paul is very classy I agree.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Sark79 on April 07, 2007, 10:58:44 AM
I hope this young guy does well also .  He has much more ability than I ever will probably, so best of luck to him


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: tikay on April 07, 2007, 11:35:39 AM
rayvon started with 5k and won over a million and grundy has a high 6figure/almost 7 figure dollar roll as well so yeh I would say they are both fantastic players- they can still lose 50-100k in a day when things go wrong for them. On another thread we have read about ram smashing 600k in v srugby heads up- does this make him any less classy a guy? Good luck to bluescouse, I for one hope he continues to run it up and I don't "hope" he will be broke in a month for my entertainment. Riverdave on here used to be the king of the spinups- ask him how it feels to run almost nothing to 6 figures then back down again- "I told you so" from others makes the others look like classless, jelous idiots in my eyes.

I was saying class about paul as in class of player- as a person paul is very classy I agree.

I don't know why you keep making the "class" equation with regard to this, but FWIW, that's not the point that was being made, I simply responded to your point. As to the Kid, I have never said I revelled in his downswings, I said it was sad. And it is, to me, because it's not sustainable.

As we seem to be seeing misintepretations here I will clarify this. I have no view, negative or positive, on Ben's "class", I don't know him that well.

I made the point that in my eyes, a "winner" was someone who won enough, & managed his bankroll in a style, which ensured he could stay in the game permanently, never be under money pressure, & thus enjoy the game.

If by some miracle Nature were to spare me another decade, I can easly imagine trundling down to Brighton & seeing Paul Parker still at the tables, glass of red wine clutched to chest, smiling, & bringing fun to all those lucky enough to be at his table. It just depends on how you define "winner". I don't get starry-eyed hero-worship at the big bangers, I incline more to those who genuinely enjoy what they do, & manage themselves such that they can stay in the game permanently.

RiverDave? He continues to seesaw, run nothing up to a lot & back down again, I say good luck to him, I have no problems with him, or that.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ariston on April 07, 2007, 12:06:16 PM
It wasn't an attack on you personally Tikay but read through all the Bluescouse threads. I don't know him and neither do most who post on these threads but a lot of posters seem to have nothing to say but " he will be broke in a month or two" etc etc etc. Its like they get pleasure out of watching someone fail. I say better to have tried etc (you all know the quote). Many of the household names (people you see on TV every week) are boom and bust style players so who are we to all criticise him for playing in such a haphazzard way.

I have been through this myself although on a smaller scale when I was winning sat seats for fun and playing all over the world. Many players took great delight in me "failing" in these events and many threads were posted on the betfair forum to this extent. Many of the quotes were from people who had never played in games bigger than 1/2- the fact I tried and didn't manage to pull off a big win is irrelevant, I got to play all over the world with the biggest names in poker. I learnt a lot and now survive in the smaller tourneys and games where the money is easy and the pressure isn't as big. Let Bluescouse learn his own way as well. The guy actually reminds me of roland a few years ago. Many of you hadn't heard about roland before his WPT win in france but he was a betfair player and regularly sat with myself on the 2/5 5/10 games. He was a crazy LAG with ridiculous swings and now his game has evolved to the fantastic one that it now is, who's to say Bluescouse wont do the same?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on April 07, 2007, 12:30:45 PM
Im with Ariston on this one, good luck to the fella.



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: RED-DOG on April 07, 2007, 12:38:44 PM
Ariston talks like a blunderbuss shoots, what he lacks in accuracy he makes up for in quantity.  ;)


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ariston on April 07, 2007, 12:56:06 PM
Ariston talks like a blunderbuss shoots, what he lacks in accuracy he makes up for in quantity.  ;)

ty tom.... i think lol


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Sark79 on April 07, 2007, 02:19:37 PM
. He was a crazy LAG with ridiculous swings and now his game has evolved to the fantastic one that it now is, who's to say Bluescouse wont do the same?




This was the point I was trying to make , but you are smarter and did it in a clearer way , lol



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Ironside on April 07, 2007, 02:31:18 PM
am important skill in a poker players armoury is s bankroll management untill he learns this skill he will only ever be a person either at the top end or bottom end of a swing in his luck


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ariston on April 07, 2007, 02:40:05 PM
am important skill in a poker players armoury is s bankroll management untill he learns this skill he will only ever be a person either at the top end or bottom end of a swing in his luck


ala ram or gus..........do we all secretly hope they will go busto?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Ironside on April 07, 2007, 02:42:40 PM
am important skill in a poker players armoury is s bankroll management untill he learns this skill he will only ever be a person either at the top end or bottom end of a swing in his luck


ala ram or gus..........do we all secretly hope they will go busto?

i never wish busto on anyone

the fact i think a person will go bust is neither here nor there


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Royal Flush on April 07, 2007, 02:46:06 PM
The distinction to make here is between that of a class card player and that of a professional poker player, bluescouse by the sounds of it is one and not the other.

As someone who has only ever lived off poker winnings, everything i own has come through poker and i protect my bankroll more than anything else, there are many players who are much better at playing cards than me who have no hope in hell of being professional poker players.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Sark79 on April 07, 2007, 02:51:59 PM
The latest WPT mag deals with bankroll management



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: gasman on April 07, 2007, 03:47:23 PM
good luck to scouse, I think he may be able to hold on to his roll his time, well hopefully

will be a good read anyhow


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: byronkincaid on April 07, 2007, 03:58:22 PM
Quote
The guy actually reminds me of roland a few years ago. Many of you hadn't heard about roland before his WPT win in france but he was a betfair player and regularly sat with myself on the 2/5 5/10 games. He was a crazy LAG with ridiculous swings and now his game has evolved to the fantastic one that it now is, who's to say Bluescouse wont do the same?

A LAG playing within his roll and a TAG shortstacking massively out of his are comparable how? Or are you saying Roland was playing 5/10 with $3000 or so?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: barhell on April 07, 2007, 05:10:41 PM
Ariston talks like a blunderbuss shoots, what he lacks in accuracy he makes up for in quantity.  ;)

ty tom.... i think lol
These two posts made me laugh so much. Thankyou to both Red and Ariston. Two gents with class on this forum.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: marcro on April 07, 2007, 05:44:41 PM
rayvon started with 5k and won over a million and grundy has a high 6figure/almost 7 figure dollar roll as well so yeh I would say they are both fantastic players- they can still lose 50-100k in a day when things go wrong for them. On another thread we have read about ram smashing 600k in v srugby heads up- does this make him any less classy a guy? Good luck to bluescouse, I for one hope he continues to run it up and I don't "hope" he will be broke in a month for my entertainment. Riverdave on here used to be the king of the spinups- ask him how it feels to run almost nothing to 6 figures then back down again- "I told you so" from others makes the others look like classless, jelous idiots in my eyes.

I was saying class about paul as in class of player- as a person paul is very classy I agree.

I am in your camp on this - good luck to Bluescouse.  This generation of "Poker Punks" did not make their bankrolls via traditional bankroll management.  I am not the type to take this reckless approach but I will be rooting for him.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tragic on April 07, 2007, 06:14:46 PM
I find the idea of Ben Grundy as a "poker punk" pretty amusing, bet he seems like a quality guy and I love his blog he was the one I was rooting for on the Will Hill GP. At the end of the day when I'm watching £40/£80 on Crypto i'll be rooting for Bluescouse because the blog adds a little bit of interest and empathy rather than some fruit i've never heard of but blatantly has far better br management :P.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ariston on April 07, 2007, 07:29:06 PM
Quote
The guy actually reminds me of roland a few years ago. Many of you hadn't heard about roland before his WPT win in france but he was a betfair player and regularly sat with myself on the 2/5 5/10 games. He was a crazy LAG with ridiculous swings and now his game has evolved to the fantastic one that it now is, who's to say Bluescouse wont do the same?

A LAG playing within his roll and a TAG shortstacking massively out of his are comparable how? Or are you saying Roland was playing 5/10 with $3000 or so?

Roland always played within his roll? Sorry I didnt realise you used to play with him on a daily basis and talk to him on msn all the time. Wait that was me. This guy has a lot of the same plays as roland and has certainly got the same balls of steel- if his game evolves as rolands' has then he will be fine. If you think Roland has good bankroll management you should try spending some time with him- If he does a few hundred grand then its not a problem to him as he will just go win another million, he's that good. Not a bad mentality to have for poker (not one I possess unfortunately).


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: boldie on April 07, 2007, 08:12:41 PM
I for one wish him the best of luck. what he has achiveed this week is nothing short of remarkable.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on April 07, 2007, 08:19:12 PM
He has span up two bankrolls to +50k, from only deposits of a £100 or so.
Id love him to get to 250k +

Does anyone know if hes on crypto?
Or is it another skin now?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Ironside on April 07, 2007, 08:28:34 PM
He has span up two bankrolls to +50k, from only deposits of a £100 or so.
Id love him to get to 250k +

Does anyone know if hes on crypto?
Or is it another skin now?

if he had protected his roll at 50k he could of been worth 500k+ now


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: boldie on April 07, 2007, 08:31:23 PM
He has span up two bankrolls to +50k, from only deposits of a £100 or so.
Id love him to get to 250k +

Does anyone know if hes on crypto?
Or is it another skin now?

if he had protected his roll at 50k he could of been worth 500k+ now

if he had protected his roll he wouldn't have been upto 50k in the first place let alone be upto 500k. Bankroll management is very important, I think we all agree on that, but it's not the way this guy choses to play. Goodluck to him for chasing the big money, I hope it works out for him (even though I doubt it)


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Ironside on April 07, 2007, 08:46:51 PM
he will keep chasing money then ending up broke because he cant protect what he earns

if he ever gets up to a reasonable amount he should apply the brakes

otherwise he will never get anywhere apart from broke agaian no matter how good he is


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: AndrewT on April 07, 2007, 09:29:33 PM
Surely the whole point of winning money at internet poker is to be able to withdraw some of your winnings and spend it on actual stuff. If you keep spinning it up and then losing it, without turning it into cold hard cash, what's the point?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: I, Zimbra on April 08, 2007, 01:21:31 AM
If I ever get to 50k+ and don't manage to spend any of it, feel free to shoot me...


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: tikay on April 08, 2007, 04:53:08 AM
Surely the whole point of winning money at internet poker is to be able to withdraw some of your winnings and spend it on actual stuff. If you keep spinning it up and then losing it, without turning it into cold hard cash, what's the point?

It's what we used to call Snakes & Ladders.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: iceman on April 08, 2007, 11:24:14 AM
of course how this guy has managed his br in the past does not inspire confidence in his ability to do things differently this time and he may well suffer the same fate as before. if that is the case he seems to have the talent to repeat his successes and may need to do so if continually going bust. however he is very young and who is to say that he will not become br proficent,only time will tell. in the mean time i wish him all the best, theres nothing more i enjoy than someone with the heart to tilt at windmills.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tragic on April 08, 2007, 11:40:44 AM
His latest post talks about trying to create bigger pots interesting enough to post on his blog. No big pots, all *under 7k*. Oh lord no :D.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on April 08, 2007, 12:43:48 PM
His latest post talks about trying to create bigger pots interesting enough to post on his blog. No big pots, all *under 7k*. Oh lord no :D.

Yeah, it seems lik ehes playing for the blogging crowd.
He ended the session in profit, so the bankroll increases.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on April 09, 2007, 09:10:32 AM
Hes updated his blog.

Bankroll is now £87k


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tragic on April 09, 2007, 12:54:08 PM
Playing heads up with Psychatog LOL. I don't think there's anyone else on crypto stupid enough to do that.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Sark79 on April 09, 2007, 01:14:17 PM
Playing heads up with Psychatog LOL. I don't think there's anyone else on crypto stupid enough to do that.


Is he the best HU player on there?    I thought Criztal and Mikka were the top of the tree


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: AlexMartin on April 09, 2007, 03:45:22 PM
I hope this young guy does well also .  He has much more ability than I ever will probably, so best of luck to him

Dont self depracate, thats not how you improve as a player. Most of the really good players i know think they are exactly that, really good. Do your homework and- in the words of Chris moneymaker "practice".


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Sark79 on April 09, 2007, 03:49:57 PM
I hope this young guy does well also .  He has much more ability than I ever will probably, so best of luck to him

Dont self depracate, thats not how you improve as a player. Most of the really good players i know think they are exactly that, really good. Do your homework and- in the words of Chris moneymaker "practice".




lol, thanks.  My new homework sessions are now only done in the STT workrooms,  I think cash games are for the prefects and 'A' students of my particular school at Littlewoods Poker  :D .


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tragic on April 09, 2007, 05:27:17 PM
U may be right about HU. Psycha from what I see is the best 6 handed cash game player there is, and he is far looser than Criztal who is really quite tight, to be fair probably more chance of getting lucky vs him than Criztal or Mikka due to his style.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tragic on April 09, 2007, 05:33:33 PM
By the way Sark what limits do you play on Littlewoods and whats ur username? I play 1/2 and 20/30£ sixpaks under Scruff and !Clueless never see any blondes :(.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Sark79 on April 09, 2007, 07:24:47 PM
By the way Sark what limits do you play on Littlewoods and whats ur username? I play 1/2 and 20/30£ sixpaks under Scruff and !Clueless never see any blondes :(.



When I play on Crypto it is under Lurcher1279.  I only play small STT, I am making a big effort to never click on a cash game again, they are put there to take my cash.  I am officially the worst cash game player in the history of poker,  it is really annoying as I would like to be good at them  :D


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on April 14, 2007, 11:01:02 AM
Hes moved to Fixed Limit and his roll is now exactly £100K.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: boldie on April 14, 2007, 11:34:17 AM
Hes moved to Fixed Limit and his roll is now exactly £100K.

well done to him


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Horneris on April 15, 2007, 02:10:34 AM
Grrr, id love to have £100k. But i wont gamble all my money both poker and otherwise by playing higher than say 1/2 or 2/4 so im unlikely to get to that.

Dont understand why he refuses to just take say 50k out as a financial safety net, then play like $5/$10 or $10/$20 with the other £50k ($100k us).


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: boldie on April 15, 2007, 12:39:33 PM
Grrr, id love to have £100k. But i wont gamble all my money both poker and otherwise by playing higher than say 1/2 or 2/4 so im unlikely to get to that.

Dont understand why he refuses to just take say 50k out as a financial safety net, then play like $5/$10 or $10/$20 with the other £50k ($100k us).

because for him 50k is not a safety net. he would still see that as just part of his bankroll..which, I guess for him it is.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Shaa on April 16, 2007, 04:38:14 PM
Good luck to the fella.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tragic on April 16, 2007, 06:53:32 PM
The guys brilliant to read. If he doesn't have the sense to put some money away so be it at the end of the day it's his life and he can do what he wants. See betfair forums. Dpommo "If this guy gets near 100k again i'll become a binman." Dubai etc. slagging the guy but i'm being entertained and I bet he's havin a blast too, so who cares keep it up son. :)


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: NoflopsHomer on April 16, 2007, 07:32:05 PM
I'd really like him to take 50k and just put it somewhere safe, when he went broke it was harrowing, but addictive reading. I like his honesty but wish he'd just stop otherwise I could well see it going tits up again.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: matt674 on April 16, 2007, 07:47:51 PM
I'd really like him to take 50k and just put it somewhere safe, when he went broke it was harrowing, but addictive reading. I like his honesty but wish he'd just stop otherwise I could well see it going tits up again.

Whats the difference between leaving it in his bankroll or putting it "somewhere safe"? If he loses the other 50k you can guarantee he'll go straight into the other 50k regardless.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Div on April 16, 2007, 10:43:16 PM
I'd really like him to take 50k and just put it somewhere safe, when he went broke it was harrowing, but addictive reading. I like his honesty but wish he'd just stop otherwise I could well see it going tits up again.

Whats the difference between leaving it in his bankroll or putting it "somewhere safe"? If he loses the other 50k you can guarantee he'll go straight into the other 50k regardless.

Not if he sticks it in a pension.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on April 17, 2007, 01:12:39 AM
Anyone know his screename. Heard it was blue omaha but not seen that be used.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tragic on April 17, 2007, 12:55:36 PM
Charlatan


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: iceman on April 18, 2007, 04:15:37 PM
looks like he has learnt and has withdrawn half his roll. and it seems has got some measures in place to stop himself putting it all back if he does the rest. i imagine his dads well pleased. who says people dont change. well done to him.   :respect:


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ChipRich on April 18, 2007, 04:21:54 PM
Wonder how long its going to last though, hopefully it does last and he can go on to make some serious cash


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on April 24, 2007, 11:32:40 PM
up to 94k and that not including the 50k he's had the sense to cash out.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on April 24, 2007, 11:52:48 PM
Hes actually playing now. There a waiting list of 8 to get onto his table, so that what the pros think of him!


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Horneris on April 25, 2007, 03:09:45 PM
"so i offer £100/£200 to any of the players and psychatog quickly agrees"

LOL


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Royal Flush on April 25, 2007, 05:59:18 PM
"so i offer £100/£200 to any of the players and psychatog quickly agrees"

LOL

I may have poor game selection then as i am playing psychatog in a PLO game atm.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: hugob055 on April 25, 2007, 07:13:35 PM
not really he plays 24/7 every stake and any game he can find


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on April 26, 2007, 11:04:58 PM
currently sat on £100/200 table with £50k and a waiting list to get on the table


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: neeko on May 03, 2007, 10:30:08 AM
oooops


http://88percent.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: AndrewT on May 03, 2007, 10:40:57 AM
Jeeeeeeeeeeesus. Looks like Icarus is in the drink again.

Love the comment that 'if God wanted you to keep hold of your money it would've made it with handles'.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: matt674 on May 03, 2007, 10:54:09 AM
One thing i have noticed about all the hands he seems to win or lose with - the majority of the time he's usually an underdog when the money goes in. While the honesty is refreshing that he can post the hands - surely at the same time he can see that this is what is costing him his bankroll in the long run?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Royal Flush on May 03, 2007, 10:56:21 AM
One thing i have noticed about all the hands he seems to win or lose with - the majority of the time he's usually an underdog when the money goes in. While the honesty is refreshing that he can post the hands - surely at the same time he can see that this is what is costing him his bankroll in the long run?

It depends how much he picks up with buffs surely.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: matt674 on May 03, 2007, 10:58:12 AM
It depends how much he picks up with bluffs surely.

true - but then he never shows any of the hands where he puts a good move on someone so it is hard to tell.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Moskvich on May 03, 2007, 11:06:08 AM
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true - but then he never shows any of the hands where he puts a good move on someone

As maybe you wouldn't, if you weren't quite as stupid as you wanted everyone to think you were...


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: AndrewT on May 03, 2007, 11:09:53 AM
Quote
true - but then he never shows any of the hands where he puts a good move on someone

As maybe you wouldn't, if you weren't quite as stupid as you wanted everyone to think you were...

If that's the meta-game he's playing, he sure is drawing a hell of a breath before he blows people away. :)


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: boldie on May 03, 2007, 11:11:01 AM
Well..holein2 must be happy that he's playing him all the time...


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Moskvich on May 03, 2007, 12:11:19 PM
Quote
If that's the meta-game he's playing, he sure is drawing a hell of a breath before he blows people away

Mm, maybe I should have read his latest update before I posted... That's some bad day at the office.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on May 03, 2007, 06:26:24 PM
From blouscouse comments -

"On the Betfair forum, there is a suggestion that holein2 is being played by a syndicate of pro players. Comments? "

I wonder if its Ram and Marc ?



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ACE2M on May 04, 2007, 10:52:51 AM
hes bust again (apart from the 90k he withdrew.)


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: AndrewT on May 21, 2007, 12:58:40 PM
Time to strap yourselves in for a bumpy ride, Bluescouse fans.

Quote
i have decided what to do, against nearly all the advice i've been given, i'm going to play all my savings, £89,500 to be precise.

http://88percent.blogspot.com/2007/05/playing-my-savings-responding-to.html (http://88percent.blogspot.com/2007/05/playing-my-savings-responding-to.html)

*stampede of high-stakes players chaining themselves to their PCs*


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on May 21, 2007, 04:32:30 PM
here we go again!


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: brummieboy on May 22, 2007, 12:15:37 AM
He's parents are worried he might go bust within two weeks.
I know parents always think highly of their kids but two weeks, i'd get the tissues ready for this weekend.

Good luck to him though, he's blog is a great read.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ACE2M on June 06, 2007, 12:50:14 PM
ed's relentlessly slide back to rock bottom continues at pace.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Pad on June 06, 2007, 01:18:34 PM
I have been keeping an eye on his games whenever I am on Betfair, he really needs to avoid his "Nemesis de Jour" Bloeffer.
He seems to do well against him and then lose the plot and give it all back plus VAT, Bloeffer is a relatively straight forward player but always gets Ed to pay him off when he has big hands.  The only time Bloeffer plays the 100/200 HU is against Ed, you cam normally find him around the 10/20 mark and occasionally the 25/50 tables.
I suggest that the whole lot will be done in by tonight, only 20k to go. It seems that he was on a mission to absolutely destroy his roll, well as George Bush said over 4 years ago "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" only this time it really is.

Pad


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: action man on June 06, 2007, 01:28:11 PM
i doubt whether he could beat $1/2 in the long term, he doesnt play well enough


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Sark79 on June 08, 2007, 10:59:36 AM
Big Win


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: boldie on June 08, 2007, 01:08:02 PM
good for him


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: LeKnave on June 08, 2007, 05:24:38 PM
I thought he would be gone by today.

Here we go again.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on June 08, 2007, 06:18:41 PM
Hold on tight....
(http://www.csudh.edu/alcp/images/rollercoaster.jpg)


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: GlasgowBandit on June 08, 2007, 06:31:37 PM
Guy is crazy, he clearly has a gambling problem.

Best of luck to him.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on June 08, 2007, 07:02:11 PM
Guy is crazy, he clearly has a gambling problem.

I bet he doesnt.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: totalise on June 08, 2007, 07:09:58 PM
i watched him play a couple nights ago and was quite impressed for most of the session, obv he has a couple of massive leaks that cost him his money, but if he gets them ironed out I'd say theres every chance he can be a winning player at high stakes.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: matt674 on June 08, 2007, 07:36:00 PM
obv he has a couple of massive leaks that cost him his money

would it not be a good idea to fix the massive leaks first before playing £50/£100 & £100/£200 for over £100,000?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Wardonkey on June 08, 2007, 07:40:10 PM
obv he has a couple of massive leaks that cost him his money

would it not be a good idea to fix the massive leaks first before playing £50/£100 & £100/£200 for over £100,000?

We have Brian Townsend's blog for that...


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Bongo on June 08, 2007, 07:40:29 PM
i watched him play a couple nights ago and was quite impressed for most of the session, obv he has a couple of massive leaks that cost him his money, but if he gets them ironed out I'd say theres every chance he can be a winning player at high stakes.

Do you think those massive leaks would be about 12% of his concentration?  ;marks;


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: totalise on June 08, 2007, 07:41:09 PM
i watched him play a couple nights ago and was quite impressed for most of the session, obv he has a couple of massive leaks that cost him his money, but if he gets them ironed out I'd say theres every chance he can be a winning player at high stakes.

Do you think those massive leaks would be about 12% of his concentration?  ;marks;

get yer coat


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: thevillain on June 09, 2007, 07:19:52 PM
i watched him play a couple nights ago and was quite impressed for most of the session, obv he has a couple of massive leaks that cost him his money, but if he gets them ironed out I'd say theres every chance he can be a winning player at high stakes.

Do you think those massive leaks would be about 12% of his concentration?  ;marks;

 rotflmfao


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: LeKnave on July 05, 2007, 05:11:47 AM
bustoville again.

shock.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: KingPoker on July 05, 2007, 08:42:58 AM
From blouscouse comments -

"On the Betfair forum, there is a suggestion that holein2 is being played by a syndicate of pro players. Comments? "

I wonder if its Ram and Marc ?



They play on cryto aswell and they are a syndicate of scandinavian players from what ive heard.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: TheChipPrince on July 05, 2007, 09:20:02 AM


Does anyone here know the guy personally?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ACE2M on July 05, 2007, 09:34:26 AM
doesn't it sicken you a bit?

If a big player e.g. negreanu loses on HSP it doesn't bother you because you know hes got loads more but this guy acts as if he isn't bothered having just done a 3rd of his bankroll and probably 1/2 the cost of the house he wants to buy. The guys is a compulsive gambler and i should know, there is still only one way he will go sadly.



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on December 12, 2007, 05:49:44 PM
He's back and up to 45K, hold on tight...........

http://88percent.blogspot.com/


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on December 12, 2007, 05:54:22 PM
Wonder when he'll be 'outed'.



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: TightEnd on December 12, 2007, 05:56:10 PM
Wonder when he'll be 'outed'.



About Me

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    Location: Wales

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Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Longy on December 12, 2007, 06:12:39 PM
If you wanted to find out, I don't think it would be hard. Just look for some total degen shortstacking the nosebleed stakes on a regular basis. This whole episode isn't going to have a pretty ending, he is going to end up owing the wrong person money he can't pay back.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Bongo on December 12, 2007, 06:16:32 PM
And i'm sure the regs will stop giving him respect when they've seen him play enough hands anyway.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on December 12, 2007, 07:49:23 PM
Wonder when he'll be 'outed'.



About Me

    Name: Ed Hollis
    Location: Wales

View my complete profile

::)

I meant the new alias he's playing under.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on December 12, 2007, 09:32:59 PM
He is defo not making it up?  I just get the feeling that he is full of s***.  Anybody watched him play in the past?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on December 12, 2007, 09:42:57 PM
lots of us including me


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bolt pp on December 13, 2007, 09:27:56 PM
ive seen him play 100/200 sitting on 50k


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: boldie on December 13, 2007, 10:25:12 PM
He is defo not making it up?  I just get the feeling that he is full of s***.  Anybody watched him play in the past?

definetly not making it up.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on December 14, 2007, 08:38:27 PM
He must be quite a good player to have spun up to the amounts he has 3 times!


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on December 14, 2007, 09:00:10 PM
He must be quite a good player to have spun up to the amounts he has 3 times!

At the table he must be a fantastic player.  But if you include bankroll management in what makes a good player....he just isn't!


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on December 14, 2007, 10:38:09 PM
I know what your saying Kin but he has made far more than most through his crazy spining and therefore i think he has to be considered a good player.  BR management means nothing when you can spin a few grand into hundreds more than once.  Granted he did blow the lot once but he paid a decent amount deposit for his house and has made 45k. 


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: snoopy1239 on December 14, 2007, 10:44:27 PM
You can win a million quid, but if you end up with nothing, then you're not a good player in my book. Poker and how good you are is a long term assessment in my opinion.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on December 14, 2007, 10:49:23 PM
You can win a million quid, but if you end up with nothing, then you're not a good player in my book. Poker and how good you are is a long term assessment in my opinion.

Stu Ungar? TJ Cloutier?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on December 14, 2007, 10:52:18 PM
You can win a million quid, but if you end up with nothing, then you're not a good player in my book. Poker and how good you are is a long term assessment in my opinion.

Stu Ungar? TJ (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=767) Cloutier (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=767)?

Did they blow their bankroll at the poker table?  Cloutier got rid of his money playing craps I believe.  That's daft, but different to playing outside of your bankroll and blowing it playing poker. 

Both are daft of course, but different issues (IMHO).


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on December 14, 2007, 10:54:05 PM
You can win a million quid, but if you end up with nothing, then you're not a good player in my book. Poker and how good you are is a long term assessment in my opinion.

Exactly, he doesnt have nothing, he has a house half paid for and 45k in his poker account.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on December 15, 2007, 12:47:14 AM
You can win a million quid, but if you end up with nothing, then you're not a good player in my book. Poker and how good you are is a long term assessment in my opinion.

Stu Ungar? TJ (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=767) Cloutier (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=767)?

Did they blow their bankroll at the poker table?  Cloutier got rid of his money playing craps I believe.  That's daft, but different to playing outside of your bankroll and blowing it playing poker. 

Both are daft of course, but different issues (IMHO).

All part of being a professional gambler I'm afraid, and they in particular should know better, you just can't separate them out if its what you do for a living.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: snoopy1239 on December 15, 2007, 01:04:20 AM
You can win a million quid, but if you end up with nothing, then you're not a good player in my book. Poker and how good you are is a long term assessment in my opinion.

Stu Ungar? TJ (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=767) Cloutier (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=767)?

Did they blow their bankroll at the poker table?  Cloutier got rid of his money playing craps I believe.  That's daft, but different to playing outside of your bankroll and blowing it playing poker. 

Both are daft of course, but different issues (IMHO).

All part of being a professional gambler I'm afraid, and they in particular should know better, you just can't separate them out if its what you do for a living.

They lost their money playing craps, betting on horses and doing drugs. The discussion, I assumed, was to whether or not Ed Hollis is a good poker player.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: snoopy1239 on December 15, 2007, 01:06:45 AM
You can win a million quid, but if you end up with nothing, then you're not a good player in my book. Poker and how good you are is a long term assessment in my opinion.

Exactly, he doesnt have nothing, he has a house half paid for and 45k in his poker account.

Well, again, that's short term. There's a good chance he'll do his bollox and have to sell his assets. That, for me, doesn't make him a good poker player, as his profit will ultimately be zip. A good poker player, in my opinion, is someone who wins over a long period of time. Chip Reese was once asked if some young hotshot was a good player, and Chip replied, "Ask me again in thirty years".


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: jakally on December 15, 2007, 01:55:12 AM

How much money a player makes, or doesn't make, is a poor way of judging whether they are a good poker player or not, IMO.

A player who makes money is often simply playing against people of an inferior standard.




Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Woodsey on December 15, 2007, 02:07:06 AM
You can win a million quid, but if you end up with nothing, then you're not a good player in my book. Poker and how good you are is a long term assessment in my opinion.

Stu Ungar? TJ (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=767) Cloutier (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=767)?

Did they blow their bankroll at the poker table?  Cloutier got rid of his money playing craps I believe.  That's daft, but different to playing outside of your bankroll and blowing it playing poker. 

Both are daft of course, but different issues (IMHO).

All part of being a professional gambler I'm afraid, and they in particular should know better, you just can't separate them out if its what you do for a living.

They lost their money playing craps, betting on horses and doing drugs. The discussion, I assumed, was to whether or not Ed Hollis is a good poker player.

But its all relevant. Ted Forrest is one of the best out there yet he was known to have sat with his entire BR when he played against Andy Beal, same principle really and even the top pros wouldn't call Ted a bad player.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: snoopy1239 on December 15, 2007, 02:29:11 AM

How much money a player makes, or doesn't make, is a poor way of judging whether they are a good poker player or not, IMO.

A player who makes money is often simply playing against people of an inferior standard.




I thinks that's where I disagree and the reason why we could go round in circles. For me, poker is about money and making a profit and although you might be the most skilled, it doesn't necessary make you the best. If you are the tenth most talented player in the world but are playing on a table with the 9 most talented, then that's bad table selection and, in my opinion, not the the make up of a good poker player. It's the same with tilt - for me, you are bad poker player if, even with all the weapons in your arsenal, you tilt off all your money after a bead beat.

Interesting debate though, I can certainly see where you're coming from.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: suzanne on December 15, 2007, 02:34:01 AM


Does anyone here know the guy personally?

I managed to find a piccy of him a while back...hes a skinny, long haired youngster who with a little bit of grooming could be a contender for the boy band ;-)


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: WellChief on December 15, 2007, 02:50:07 AM
I've played him before and watched him last night, he's a decent player 3-handed and very tough to play against if you're not hitting cards.  6-handed he's not so good as he bluffs too much and can't lay a hand. 


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on December 15, 2007, 12:59:17 PM
I've played him before and watched him last night, he's a decent player 3-handed and very tough to play against if you're not hitting cards.  6-handed he's not so good as he bluffs too much and can't lay a hand. 

what name is he playing under!  If you dont want to 'out' him PM me!  I fancy watching him play


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tragic on December 15, 2007, 01:18:51 PM
My guess on crypto is Eddie7 but I could be wrong.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: thetank on December 15, 2007, 01:25:37 PM
I'm with Snoopy, money is how we keep score. How else do you judge who is best?

The poker world is so full of ego and guaging skill levels to differentiate between a very very good player and a very very very good player is impossibly impractical. The better one is the one who has won the most money off the game.

Possible exception is that you could say someone was the best tournament poker player in the world even though they happen to be skint right now. (They've got to have won a heaps of big money tournies in the past though)


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: MKKfish on December 15, 2007, 01:36:24 PM

How much money a player makes, or doesn't make, is a poor way of judging whether they are a good poker player or not, IMO.

A player who makes money is often simply playing against people of an inferior standard.




If you are the tenth most talented player in the world but are playing on a table with the 9 most talented, then that's bad table selection and, in my opinion, not the the make up of a good poker player.

Probably the best one line piece of advice I've seen.



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on December 15, 2007, 01:44:26 PM
I'm with Snoopy, money is how we keep score. How else do you judge who is best?

The poker world is so full of ego and guaging skill levels to differentiate between a very very good player and a very very very good player is impossibly impractical. The better one is the one who has won the most money off the game.

Possible exception is that you could say someone was the best tournament poker player in the world even though they happen to be skint right now. (They've got to have won a heaps of big money tournies in the past though)

Cloutier is a fine example of that.  $8M (or something like that) that he's won in tournaments.  Money he's then taken away from poker and 'spent' on craps (he could have spent it on women, drink and fast cars rather than squandering it), but no one can say he isn't a top tournament player.  I know what Woodsey is saying when he's says it's part and parcel of him being a professional gambler - but I think the fact he has no will power away from the poker table shouldn't detract from his poker ability/achievements.  Whereas this bluescouse fella not only supports a terrible football team, but certainly has a huge gap in his 'poker' ability in his inability to manage his bankroll.  I'd love to have his skill and ability at the table, but I guess the flip-side of his gambling ability is his inability to control himself in his game choice.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: MKKfish on December 15, 2007, 02:44:01 PM
The TJ Poker/Craps thing is a bit daft.

A guy pulls down £5 mill a year running a hedge fund but spunks it away at roulette..

..so is he a bad hedge fund manager?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: thetank on December 15, 2007, 02:51:16 PM
If he needs the $5m (or at least part of it) to buy him into next years lol hedgefundaments then perhaps.

That's the difference, yes you can be good at your job and then piss away your money, it doesn't make you any less good at your job

but....

You need to take care of your tools. The world's greatest builder wouldn't get hired if he totalled a couple of JCBs a week.
A poker player's bankroll is his tool.

A fine line, and an interesting debate. Someone who won millions in cash games and pissed most of it away could still be a great player if they always had enough to play the game.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 15, 2007, 02:57:04 PM
If poker ability was assessed by money won then a certain Mr. Gold would be afforded legendary status.

Stu Ungar was the greatest poker player that ever lived. The ability to risk EVERYTHING you have because you have absolute faith in yourself and your ability is a mentality that fits No Limit Poker like a silk glove. If you avoid this game or that situation because you are uncertain or have doubt then you can never reach the pinnacle of your game...and be the player you could be.

If you are the tenth best player and avoid a table consisting of the nine most talented then you will forever be the tenth best. The limitation you place upon yourself is a handicap in fulfilling your potential and as such a fundamental flaw in approaching the game of No Limit Texas Hold'em. Risking it all is the very essence of the game!

Players that have an unwaivering can do and will do attitude regardless of the challenge are truely the greatest in this game. Finding a game you know you can win does not make you a great player, it certainly means you are sensible, but by no means a great player.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: MKKfish on December 15, 2007, 03:09:51 PM
hedgefundaments

What price could I have got on that ever appearing on the Interwebbythingy?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on December 15, 2007, 03:21:51 PM
If poker ability was assessed by money won then a certain Mr. Gold would be afforded legendary status.

Stu Ungar was the greatest poker player that ever lived. The ability to risk EVERYTHING you have because you have absolute faith in yourself and your ability is a mentality that fits No Limit Poker like a silk glove. If you avoid this game or that situation because you are uncertain or have doubt then you can never reach the pinnacle of your game...and be the player you could be.

If you are the tenth best player and avoid a table consisting of the nine most talented then you will forever be the tenth best. The limitation you place upon yourself is a handicap in fulfilling your potential and as such a fundamental flaw in approaching the game of No Limit Texas Hold'em. Risking it all is the very essence of the game!

Players that have an unwaivering can do and will do attitude regardless of the challenge are truely the greatest in this game. Finding a game you know you can win does not make you a great player, it certainly means you are sensible, but by no means a great player.

Excellent post, couldnt agree more.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: LLevan on December 15, 2007, 03:37:41 PM
Poker is a game where you wager sums of money either big or small and as such surely a judge of how good a player is comes down to how much a player wins over a period of say 10 years compared to his actual stake. This would also mean that there are plenty of very great player who play 50 cent games and grind a very nice living at it. Just because TJ Cloutier has won x million from tournaments doesnt make him any greater a player than an internet player who has won say 100k from much smaller stakes.
I think most of us appreciate that it is nearly impossible to make a living by solely playing tournaments because of the X's and if a player has gambling leaks such as Dice Roulette Sports Betting etc. it is a surefire quick route to the land of skint members. The only tournament players who have a hope in hell of making a steady income are those who receive sponsorship and thats a fact that few can dispute.
In my mind to be a great in a gambling game you have to be able to show a profit and bankroll management is part and parcel of being a great poker player as is being sensible and cherry picking which games you play in.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 15, 2007, 04:02:46 PM
Is a boxer who cherry picks his opponents great because he has been a champion for 10 years? Or is the true champion the fearless boxer who takes on all-comers regardless of ability and reigns for just 5?

The money thing gets in the way for us amateurs. Noboby can question the wisdom of bankroll management, it is essential for us. But if you play a poker tournament and have one eye on the money around bubble time you will not be great, you may make a steady income or a good profit, but you wont be great.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: thetank on December 15, 2007, 04:21:32 PM
Poker is not a sport though. It's not about proving to others that you're good.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: LLevan on December 15, 2007, 04:36:12 PM
Goodness and Greatness are very subjective but are usually judged by winnings or trophies. Poker is slightly different to most sports in that the prize fund in each tournament or cash game is made up from the entry fees or cash put on the table by all players. Therefore bankroll is important because no matter how great a player you are once your bankroll reaches zero and you run out of backers or people to nip from you are out of the game and can take no further part in it. Now if you have a gambling leak like Dice or Roulette or any other leak eventually you run out of funds and then have to rely on backers before eventually you have no means to raise an entry into a game or tournament. True greats of any disciple be it poker or any sport would never get themselves into a position whereby they cant enter the next tournament/game.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 15, 2007, 05:13:04 PM
Yep, I appreciate the major importance of bankroll management but I don't think the inability to take part in a tournament reflects upon your ability.

Muhammad Ali was unable to box after being charged with draft evasion in the late 60's. Did his inability to paticipate mean he was no longer the greatest fighter of the time?

When Stu Ungar failed to show for day three of the WSOP Main Event in 1990 when he was chip leader did this mean he wasn't the best player in the field?

Like LLevan says there are probably thousands of great small stakes players out there who never get the chance to reveal that greatness for one reason or another. Maybe it's ill discipline, maybe it's time constraints or whatever but this doesn't stop them from being great poker players. Bankroll is essential for continued participation but participation is not the mark of greatness and in a game that involves luck, sponsorship etc...even winning is not indicative of a players ability.

I think it has a lot to do with mentality, so the boxer who takes on the best and risks it all takes a step towards greatness and although poker is a different discipline the fearless player who is prepared to do likewise is treading the same path. He is not necessarily proving anything to anyone he is just approaching a game that requires you to be fearless with the best possible mentality. And because putting it all on the line is very very difficult to do it is this exceptional mentality that is indictive of exceptional character....And it is a mix of character and ability that makes one great, not trophies or money.

The greatest player does not need to choose the right game. The very act of selecting a game shows how far from greatness someone actually is. Selection is based on fear of loosing and someone who is great by definition would not entertain those thoughts.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bobby1 on December 15, 2007, 05:20:22 PM
Goodness and Greatness are very subjective but are usually judged by winnings or trophies. Poker is slightly different to most sports in that the prize fund in each tournament or cash game is made up from the entry fees or cash put on the table by all players. Therefore bankroll is important because no matter how great a player you are once your bankroll reaches zero and you run out of backers or people to nip from you are out of the game and can take no further part in it. Now if you have a gambling leak like Dice or Roulette or any other leak eventually you run out of funds and then have to rely on backers before eventually you have no means to raise an entry into a game or tournament. True greats of any disciple be it poker or any sport would never get themselves into a position whereby they cant enter the next tournament/game.

spot on, like 'great' snooker players that cant play safe, like 'great' footballers that cant tackle, have no pace and underperform on the big occasion a great poker player that is skint is not great at all, he might be very good at playing the cards but if he cannot do the other things needed to be great, then he isnt.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 15, 2007, 05:57:27 PM
Well, I've heard the expression "he has the heart of a champion" many times but never "he has the financial acumen of a champion".

If you look at any genius it seems the prerequisite is a fatally flawed character. So characters like George Best, Diego Maradonna and Paul Gascoigne in football, Alex Higgins in snooker, Ian botham and Shane Warne in cricket and Stuey Ungar in poker all spring to mind. Of course, there are plenty of greats who have a well-rounded character and sound discipline but I don't think having deficiencies outside of the game itself excludes you from being in that club. Now when we talk about poker I think the ability to feel comfortable living on a knife edge and an immunity to risk actually enhances your suitability for a game of risk and gamble. So when Ungar said "I'm all in" he often meant exactly that...and for me that's pure class. Stupid yes, but still class.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: thetank on December 15, 2007, 06:00:14 PM

When Stu Ungar failed to show for day three of the WSOP Main Event in 1990 when he was chip leader did this mean he wasn't the best player in the field?


Yes. The best player was probably one of the ones that showed up.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: thetank on December 15, 2007, 06:07:33 PM

Well, I've heard the expression "he has the heart of a champion" many times but never "he has the financial acumen of a champion".


Most times when you hear of a boxer having the heart of a champion, it is because of his intense physical training regime.

Countless hours every day in the gym, treating their body like an absolute temple so they can continue beyond the points of normal endurance. Does having a serious Ben and Jerry's ice cream addiction in your spare time make you a worse boxer? Almost definately.

In poker, we don't play with our bodies, we play with our chips. The chips repesent money and you need to look after it to be great. Spending it all on coke might give you another factor that inhibits your performance, consistancy and ultimately greatness.

The man behind the shades was a fantastic read, appealed to the romantic side of all of us. Stu Ungar probably was the greatest tournament poker player ever. Not the best poker player though, not by a long shot.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Wardonkey on December 15, 2007, 06:09:43 PM
In what way are the characters Ian Botham and Shane Warne 'fatally flawed'?

Many more great champions have well rounded characters than have fatal flaws.

Being a compulsive addict is not a trait to be admired.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bobby1 on December 15, 2007, 06:16:28 PM
In what way are the characters Ian Botham and Shane Warne 'fatally flawed'?

Many more great champions have well rounded characters than have fatal flaws.

Being a compulsive addict is not a trait to be admired.


spot on mate, i find it amazing when people talk of Alex Higgins and Ronnie as the best snooker players when Hendry and Davis were diff class as snooker players, yes the other two were great potters of a ball but as rounded players the two Steves were diff class yet people seem to rate the other two higher.






Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Longy on December 15, 2007, 06:28:38 PM
When saying someone is great poker player you judge their results on the poker table purely, I mean to judge them on their other weaknesses in life is bizarre to be honest unless it affects their ability to play poker. Money is the way of keeping score in poker and therefore the player who wins the most money can claim to be the best, admittedly this is has its exceptions like Jamie Gold winning a massive live donkament.

Stu Ungar was an amazing talent and had a rare ability for all card games including poker, his personal life did affect his performance at the tables and to say he was the greatest of all time I think is stretching it. He was the greatest gin rummy player who has ever lived no doubt about that. The greatest poker player ever has just died, Chip Reese. He won millons upon millons in the toughest games in the world.

Regarding bluescouse he definitely has some ability but he is playing off about 20bb's half the time therefore turning the game into a massive luck fest. Jamie Gold (esque) some might say.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on December 15, 2007, 06:29:53 PM
I rate people with natural ability much higher than people who work hard to achieve, many probably disagree but i would much prefer to see Ronnie play with his flair and wild temperament than a player that is good, works hard and has full control.  The same goes for 88%, i rate him higher than a guy grinding 50nl 7 days a week for a small profit.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Ironside on December 15, 2007, 06:33:42 PM
what longy is trying to say

is that blue scouse plays so short at the table that he rides a luck wave to the top and then back to the bottom again

he doesnt show skill he shows varaince

sitting at the table with 90% of your roll and getting it all in with KT v AA  and winning doesnt take skill it varaince

untill scouse can learn BR management no one can judge his playing ability

one thing that can be judged is his balls



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on December 15, 2007, 06:42:59 PM
In that case this guy must be the luckiest in the world, to have no ability and make it to the limits he has.  I think he clearly has alot of abilty just the lack of dicipline poker obviously needs. 


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: GlasgowBandit on December 15, 2007, 06:44:23 PM
what longy is trying to say

is that blue scouse plays so short at the table that he rides a luck wave to the top and then back to the bottom again

he doesnt show skill he shows varaince

sitting at the table with 90% of your roll and getting it all in with KT v AA  and winning doesnt take skill it varaince

untill scouse can learn BR management no one can judge his playing ability

one thing that can be judged is his balls



Do you judge them by size? weight? diamter? or reproductive ability?  :)


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bobby1 on December 15, 2007, 06:46:35 PM
When saying someone is great poker player you judge their results on the poker table purely, I mean to judge them on their other weaknesses in life is bizarre to be honest unless it affects their ability to play poker. Money is the way of keeping score in poker and therefore the player who wins the most money can claim to be the best, admittedly this is has its exceptions like Jamie (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=839) Gold (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=839) winning a massive live donkament.

Stu Ungar was an amazing talent and had a rare ability for all card games including poker, his personal life did affect his performance at the tables and to say he was the greatest of all time I think is stretching it. He was the greatest gin rummy player who has ever lived no doubt about that. The greatest poker player ever has just died, Chip (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=497) Reese (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=497). He won millons upon millons in the toughest games in the world.

Regarding bluescouse he definitely has some ability but he is playing off about 20bb's half the time therefore turning the game into a massive luck fest. Jamie (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=839) Gold (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=839) (esque) some might say.

how do you imagine running out of money affects their ability to play poker??


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Grier78 on December 15, 2007, 06:47:00 PM
Wow what a great discussion, how do you rate how good a poker player is? Total money won? Total Profit? Number of bracelets?

One thing I do know if you are playing high stakes cash and you keep going broke then you are not a good player. Good players find tables where they have an edge and grind out a profit across the long term.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 15, 2007, 07:01:14 PM
No I accept the physical traits a boxer requires but if said boxer had the mentality that he wants to avoid a dangerous opponent because of the risk he could be beaten then no matter how good the record books say he is he is never going to be a true fighting champion. As such a poker player that innately seeks to avoid risk is never going to be as proficient as a character who welcomes it.

So while well disciplined exponents reach the pinnacle of their talents their flawed counterparts are a match for them despite their lacking in this area. So Ronnie O'Sullivan stepping up to the table and potting balls left or right handed without fuss in major tournaments is natural talent. Steve Hendry needs a disciplined character to compete and to work on defensive play to counter it. If O'sullivan had such character he would be even better. When you play a game you should look to win....something the England football team find difficult to understand....they always look scared to loose. In poker, a game full of aggression and risk it is the aggressive and ballsy characters that suit the game the best because a safety first approach wont work. Ungar had problems for sure but he still has the best tournament record in history despite his flaws...so imagine what he could have achieved with discipline. Or would that discipline have actually adversely affected an almost perfect poker mentality?

Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on December 15, 2007, 07:03:51 PM
I think it is v.v.rare to have both the natural talent and the hard working nature. 


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bobby1 on December 15, 2007, 07:05:08 PM
Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

You say that like thats a bad thing  :-X


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Ironside on December 15, 2007, 07:06:29 PM
Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

You say that like thats a bad thing  :-X

i could let him off for the drugs alcohol and women

but that tash is a crime against humanity

and lets try and forget the mullet


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on December 15, 2007, 07:13:21 PM
Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

Red-Dog's going to ban you ;D.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bobby1 on December 15, 2007, 07:18:08 PM
Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

You say that like thats a bad thing  :-X

i could let him off for the drugs alcohol and women

but that tash is a crime against humanity

and lets try and forget the mullet


I once knew a bloke that had a big moustache, when he was 19 he started a catering course at Uni. After a couple of days the tutor took him to one side and said that they encouraged the students to shave for hygiene purposes. My friend explained that his girlfriend had told him that she wanted him to have facial hair as it added a little for her in certain bedroom situations and the tutor just said 'fair enough, but just make sure you wash it thoroughly then'  ;whistle;


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Longy on December 15, 2007, 07:18:55 PM
When saying someone is great poker player you judge their results on the poker table purely, I mean to judge them on their other weaknesses in life is bizarre to be honest unless it affects their ability to play poker. Money is the way of keeping score in poker and therefore the player who wins the most money can claim to be the best, admittedly this is has its exceptions like Jamie (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=839) Gold (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=839) winning a massive live donkament.

Stu Ungar was an amazing talent and had a rare ability for all card games including poker, his personal life did affect his performance at the tables and to say he was the greatest of all time I think is stretching it. He was the greatest gin rummy player who has ever lived no doubt about that. The greatest poker player ever has just died, Chip (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=497) Reese (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=497). He won millons upon millons in the toughest games in the world.

Regarding bluescouse he definitely has some ability but he is playing off about 20bb's half the time therefore turning the game into a massive luck fest. Jamie (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=839) Gold (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=839) (esque) some might say.

how do you imagine running out of money affects their ability to play poker??

Well of course its pretty difficult if you are talking about "ability" to actually sit down in the game, but bankroll is not the judge of a good poker player imo. If you are talking about mental state then of course this is factor but there are many players who deal with playing with their last dollar well, Skalie at this years WSOP ME. Of course if this affects you then that goes down in the negative column about being a good poker player.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 15, 2007, 07:19:55 PM
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Red-Dog's going to ban you
Well clearly there are exceptions to every rule, in this case Magnum P.I. and said Mr. Dog were born to exhibit such facial furniture. But this doesn't make it right.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bobby1 on December 15, 2007, 07:24:36 PM
Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

You say that like thats a bad thing  :-X

i could let him off for the drugs alcohol and women

but that tash is a crime against humanity

and lets try and forget the mullet


I once knew a bloke that had a big moustache, when he was 19 he started a catering course at Uni. After a couple of days the tutor took him to one side and said that they encouraged the students to shave for hygiene purposes. My friend explained that his girlfriend had told him that she wanted him to have facial hair as it added a little for her in certain bedroom situations and the tutor just said 'fair enough, but just make sure you wash it thoroughly then'  ;whistle;

The same guy was due to play a snooker qtr final in the Sheff/Rotherham snooker league and asked me to lend him £50 so he could bet on himself saying he was a good thing, the day after he came around asking if he could pay me back later as he had lost. I asked him what happened and he explained that he had got home late from work and wolfed down his tea to get to the match on time. Halfway thru the first frame he was pondering a shot and ruffled his fingers thru his tache, to his horror he discovered a baked bean stuck in it and after going to the gents to remove the said item was then so embarrassed thinking about the people on the bus and in the club that must have seen his bean he couldn't concentrate.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bolt pp on December 15, 2007, 07:26:33 PM
I rate people with natural ability much higher than people who work hard to achieve, many probably disagree but i would much prefer to see Ronnie play with his flair and wild temperament than a player that is good, works hard and has full control.  The same goes for 88%, i rate him higher than a guy grinding 50nl 7 days a week for a small profit.

 ;iagree;

But this guy, IMO, is NOT a good player, i played against him a few times on the full ring 10 seated $10/$20 crypto table before they added the bigger games and he was definitely a fish and having watched him on his last account on the 25/50 and 40/80 tables he hadn't improved, he's got bottle and i love this guys story but unless he gets an exceptional run of cards and outdraws he'll do the lot again.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 15, 2007, 07:36:29 PM
Yes, you must have the ability to go with the mentality and great poker players have both in spades.

Another great exponent of his field who has recently died was Evel Knievel. He was also in the risk business. He was always looking to add another couple of buses to embrace the risk and confront disaster head on. This is why he was the best. If he was looking to have less buses he would still have been good...but not great. So poker players who are not adverse to risking it all have the best poker mentality...but ability is always gonna help.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: TightEnd on December 15, 2007, 07:37:47 PM
One little known fact about the Kneivel was he always scoffed three full tins of baked beans 93 minutes beofre a 42 bus jump.

Stood him in great stead for years, clearly.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: barhell on December 15, 2007, 07:38:29 PM
One little known fact about the Kneivel was he always scoffed three full tins of baked beans 93 minutes beofre a 42 bus jump.

Stood him in great stead for years, clearly.
Was it for extra lift?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on December 15, 2007, 07:39:05 PM
One little known fact about the Kneivel was he always scoffed three full tins of baked beans 93 minutes beofre a 42 bus jump.

Stood him in great stead for years, clearly.

Fortunately for him, he didn't have a tache.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: steeveg on December 15, 2007, 07:51:12 PM
Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

You say that like thats a bad thing  :-X

i could let him off for the drugs alcohol and women

but that tash is a crime against humanity

and lets try and forget the mullet


I once knew a bloke that had a big moustache, when he was 19 he started a catering course at Uni. After a couple of days the tutor took him to one side and said that they encouraged the students to shave for hygiene purposes. My friend explained that his girlfriend had told him that she wanted him to have facial hair as it added a little for her in certain bedroom situations and the tutor just said 'fair enough, but just make sure you wash it thoroughly then'  ;whistle;

The same guy was due to play a snooker qtr final in the Sheff/Rotherham snooker league and asked me to lend him £50 so he could bet on himself saying he was a good thing, the day after he came around asking if he could pay me back later as he had lost. I asked him what happened and he explained that he had got home late from work and wolfed down his tea to get to the match on time. Halfway thru the first frame he was pondering a shot and ruffled his fingers thru his tache, to his horror he discovered a baked bean stuck in it and after going to the gents to remove the said item was then so embarrassed thinking about the people on the bus and in the club that must have seen his bean he couldn't concentrate.

poor lad know ones heard of him since , does that make him a has bean now


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bobby1 on December 15, 2007, 08:06:23 PM
Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

You say that like thats a bad thing  :-X

i could let him off for the drugs alcohol and women

but that tash is a crime against humanity

and lets try and forget the mullet


I once knew a bloke that had a big moustache, when he was 19 he started a catering course at Uni. After a couple of days the tutor took him to one side and said that they encouraged the students to shave for hygiene purposes. My friend explained that his girlfriend had told him that she wanted him to have facial hair as it added a little for her in certain bedroom situations and the tutor just said 'fair enough, but just make sure you wash it thoroughly then'  ;whistle;

The same guy was due to play a snooker qtr final in the Sheff/Rotherham snooker league and asked me to lend him £50 so he could bet on himself saying he was a good thing, the day after he came around asking if he could pay me back later as he had lost. I asked him what happened and he explained that he had got home late from work and wolfed down his tea to get to the match on time. Halfway thru the first frame he was pondering a shot and ruffled his fingers thru his tache, to his horror he discovered a baked bean stuck in it and after going to the gents to remove the said item was then so embarrassed thinking about the people on the bus and in the club that must have seen his bean he couldn't concentrate.

poor lad know ones heard of him since , does that make him a has bean now

yes, he blew it big time


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 15, 2007, 08:08:06 PM
I heard he moved to Germany and is now going by the name Heinz...sounds a bit half-baked to me though.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on December 15, 2007, 08:09:08 PM
He wasn't that good though.  His highest break was only 57.

;marks;


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: thetank on December 15, 2007, 08:10:12 PM

No I accept the physical traits a boxer requires but if said boxer had the mentality that he wants to avoid a dangerous opponent because of the risk he could be beaten then no matter how good the record books say he is he is never going to be a true fighting champion. As such a poker player that innately seeks to avoid risk is never going to be as proficient as a character who welcomes it.


I think you've over-run the boxing analogy and it has lost it's relevance to poker.

Two different £5/£10 NL cash games are available to a player, one is full of seasoned pros, the other full of tourists. Off course we all know which one to play in to make the cash.
Do you have to test yourself by bluffing Chan out of one pot et al, foresaking the profit at the other table to test and improve your game with the sharks.

To me, a good poker player can seperate themselves from their ego and knows exactly where to sit.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on December 15, 2007, 08:13:40 PM

No I accept the physical traits a boxer requires but if said boxer had the mentality that he wants to avoid a dangerous opponent because of the risk he could be beaten then no matter how good the record books say he is he is never going to be a true fighting champion. As such a poker player that innately seeks to avoid risk is never going to be as proficient as a character who welcomes it.


If its on the internet I two table...and pwn them both

I think you've over-run the boxing analogy and it has lost it's relevance to poker.

Two different £5/£10 NL cash games are available to a player, one is full of seasoned pros, the other full of tourists. Off course we all know which one to play in to make the cash.
Do you have to test yourself by bluffing Chan out of one pot et al, foresaking the profit at the other table to test and improve your game with the sharks.

To me, a good poker player can seperate themselves from their ego and knows exactly where to sit.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: thetank on December 15, 2007, 08:16:25 PM

If its on the internet I two table...and pwn them both


lol


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: LLevan on December 15, 2007, 09:29:08 PM
This debate had been excellent and both sides of the coin have their merits as to definitions of greatness. Continuing on the boxing theme what if we move over to athletics, lets leave aside the drug takers, a lot of the so called greats from days gone by have been overtaken by the next generation of athletes times come down jumpers jump higher and longer throwers sling the discus and other objects further. Does this mean that the latest generation of athletes are greater than their precessors?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: TightEnd on December 15, 2007, 09:31:11 PM
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=23895.0


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: LLevan on December 15, 2007, 09:45:40 PM
An interesting read there too thanks Tight End...........back to the original debate and greatness in Poker, there are surely 2 very different disciplines in Poker, cash and tournaments and it appears that in recent years tournaments have become a measure of a poker players greatness by how many titles or how much money he has won from them. The recent early death of Chip Reese has led most of the known Poker players to call him the greatest poker player of recent years. The mere fact that Doyle Brunson has played at the top for so many years surely should make him a great too. Helmuth for all his titles must make him a great. But what about the unsung greats who anonymously play online and pick their tables and make millions every year are they any less great that the forementioned?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on December 15, 2007, 10:08:22 PM
Where does Annette fall in the 'greatness' debate?  I don't know her background, and what she built her bankroll from (was she heavily bankrolled before she started?).

She's certainly one of the 'in-form' players over the past few years.  A phenomenal talent, made all the more impressive due to the fact she's so young, and (dare I say it?) female.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: LLevan on December 15, 2007, 10:14:43 PM
Apparently she started from a freeroll and never deposited anything. As for a great I personally believe she has the potential but a great isnt born overnight and needs to perform for a good many years to prove that they arent a flash in the pan.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bobby1 on December 15, 2007, 10:16:23 PM
as for great snooker players, If Ronnie makes a 147 here to win 9-8 I might have to give in.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: TightEnd on December 15, 2007, 10:18:24 PM
Apparently she started from a freeroll and never deposited anything. As for a great I personally believe she has the potential but a great isnt born overnight and needs to perform for a good many years to prove that they arent a flash in the pan.


to my mind a great has to win over a number of years. She's had a great live year and few years on the net but needs to win when people have adapted to her game, she's had to change hers etc etc..

Certainly a potential great 


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bobby1 on December 15, 2007, 10:20:21 PM
bloody hell he did aswell!!!


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Longy on December 15, 2007, 10:31:33 PM
Apparently she started from a freeroll and never deposited anything. As for a great I personally believe she has the potential but a great isnt born overnight and needs to perform for a good many years to prove that they arent a flash in the pan.

She has played more donkaments than Stu Ungar and Doyle Brunson put together in her lifetime, so flash in the pan is a bit of myth. As for greatness, hmm im not sure i don't like to use the word lightly.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: KarmaDope on December 15, 2007, 10:41:07 PM
bloody hell he did aswell!!!

Whats Wednesdays lottery numbers?? ;)


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: bobby1 on December 15, 2007, 10:47:09 PM
bloody hell he did aswell!!!

Whats Wednesdays lottery numbers?? ;)

I have to admit I was watching on interactive and he had potted 8 reds and blacks already.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on December 15, 2007, 10:51:29 PM
Apparently she started from a freeroll and never deposited anything. As for a great I personally believe she has the potential but a great isnt born overnight and needs to perform for a good many years to prove that they arent a flash in the pan.

She has played more donkaments than Stu Ungar and Doyle (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=532) Brunson (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=532) put together in her lifetime, so flash in the pan is a bit of myth.

Was about to post that - but you beat me to it. 

Quote
As for greatness, hmm im not sure i don't like to use the word lightly.

Greatness usually comes after a player has retired/died. 



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Grier78 on December 15, 2007, 10:58:24 PM
To be honest how can you say who is the best footballer or boxer or athlete or whatever. You can pick out great people but to distinguish between them is often meaningless.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: thetank on December 15, 2007, 11:01:52 PM
...and Superman could kick Batman's ass. All Batman had was a blimmin tool belt, Superman is well....super.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on December 15, 2007, 11:57:48 PM
...and Superman could kick Batman's ass. All Batman had was a blimmin tool belt, Superman is well....super.

I agree.  Although if Batman had a pocketful of kryptonite he'd be laughing.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: thetank on December 16, 2007, 12:12:03 AM
Also true if he had a mask full of nitrus oxide.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: AlexMartin on December 16, 2007, 12:15:37 AM
Im not buying all this table selection and bankrol mgt as contributing factors to a players "greatness". The ability to beat the best is what matters.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on December 16, 2007, 12:20:41 AM
Im not buying all this table selection and bankrol mgt as contributing factors to a players "greatness". The ability to beat the best is what matters.

...and how do you do that with no buy-in?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: MKKfish on December 16, 2007, 03:09:06 AM
hmmmmm...

makes a load of super cashes online...

becomes one of the most talked about online players...

continues to run deep on the biggest online games....

and for good measure..... takes down the WSOPE..


yeah - she good.

I've had so so many arguments about this - all you Doyle/Chip/Amarillo/Phil/add as u please.... these guys played bigtime when the pond was small - A_15 has done it when there was a whole ocean of runners. I personally think she would rip these guys  a new A hole every day of the week.



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on December 17, 2007, 05:29:13 PM
Ed has just lost 40k GBP.  Looks like i was wrong about him...

PS

Wardonkey you were correct in your assumtion of is Alias.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tragic on December 17, 2007, 06:44:53 PM
He got absolutely pasted tbh. Lost a flip or two but Gulkines (who I think is Bengt Sonnert) really did annihilate him last night I watched the whole session.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on December 17, 2007, 08:33:36 PM
Were they playing Heads up?  I watched him play the other day and he pwned it.  The people he was up against kept laying down to him. 


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: AlexMartin on December 17, 2007, 09:42:57 PM
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Im not buying all this table selection and bankrol mgt as contributing factors to a players "greatness". The ability to beat the best is what matters.

...and how do you do that with no buy-in?

nip obv :)


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tragic on December 18, 2007, 02:04:10 AM
He was playing Gulk HU for most of the time. A player who is impossible to bully.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: thetank on February 01, 2008, 02:27:48 PM
He's intent on selling the house now.

Makes for painful reading.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kinboshi on February 01, 2008, 02:29:59 PM
He's intent on selling the house now.

Makes for painful reading.

Oh dear.  Not amusing if he comes away from it all with nothing to show.  If only he played within his bankroll.

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put £10k borrowed money back in and spun it upto £44k on $100/$200 in the morning/afternoon. withdrew the £10k leaving my £34k bankroll. in the evening i played $250/$500 and lost it all. lots of small pots where i was behind, 35/65ish, and then a $60k pot to finish when i pushed with A10 v AQ on a QJ8 board and missed wide. after doing (running) so well this morning i feel very deflated about this latest loss. i can't hold a roll at all. as soon as i have some money i seem to lose any game selection or if i go on a soft table and it gets harder i still don't leave till i'm even.

He started with £10K that he'd borrowed and went straight on to the $100/$200 tables!  Utter madness.




Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: boldie on February 01, 2008, 04:42:32 PM
He's intent on selling the house now.

Makes for painful reading.

Yeah I think we're past the "look at the guy who can't manage his roll" and went to the "look at a compulsive gambler self-destruct completely"..not pretty


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: sovietsong on February 01, 2008, 07:33:55 PM
I used to laugh when reading his blog, i feel sorry for the guy now.  If he had an ounce of discipline he would be dangerous.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: barhell on February 01, 2008, 07:57:23 PM
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bar my final £600 i've bust everything i've been lent.... so i've decided to sell the house. it's something that's been on my mind for awhile. whenever i'm broke it always seems stupid having money invested in the house but having nothing to play with. obviously it's a big decision for me but i'm pretty sure. it's gonna take several weeks probably to sell so i'm going to be skint for awhile but when i do finally get the money i think i will be able to hold on to it this time. although i'm not sure my confidence is justified.
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Somehow i'd rather have a house than a bankroll, i do think this guy is going past entertainment to trainwreck status.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: TheChipPrince on February 01, 2008, 10:03:14 PM
He obviously has a problem and its cringe worrty reading it, but lets be honest, most people reading it are thinking ''what a stupid tw@''


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: totalise on February 01, 2008, 10:14:23 PM
one thing i often wonder about is how different is his attempts to get to the top compared to other people?   the fact that hes brutally exposed himself to his actions makes him look like the ultimate degen, but given the way people manage to go from 25/50 to 200/400 in a matter of weeks, it makes me wonder just how many other degens are spinning up their rolls in similar fashion, but their activities are under the radar as they dont use blogs...





Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: thetank on February 01, 2008, 11:34:52 PM
Indeed, the textbook tells us gambling problems are synonymous with denial.

You come across many honest accounts of what people go through with their gambling issues, but they are almost always written retrospectively. It is very rare to see a blog like the one Ed Hollis writes, I can think of no other examples over a sustained period of time.

He sees what is happening, yet is still not only happen to proceed, but also to write about it.

An enigma, perhaps masochistic?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: totalise on February 02, 2008, 12:11:08 AM
Indeed, the textbook tells us gambling problems are synonymous with denial.

You come across many honest accounts of what people go through with their gambling issues, but they are almost always written retrospectively. It is very rare to see a blog like the one Ed Hollis writes, I can think of no other examples over a sustained period of time.

He sees what is happening, yet is still not only happen to proceed, but also to write about it.

An enigma, perhaps masochistic?

thats the fascinating thing for me, its like he has an unwavering belief that it will all come good, he will sell his equity in the house, get his £70k or so, pay back the £15k loan, and ride the £55k into the depths of millionaire-hood... and its this belief that I am pretty sure all the other high stakes players have, and that most mortals dont have. Even if he fails, I will always admire him for having the balls and the gumption for having a dream and chasing it to the very end, too many peoples lives end with too many what-ifs, at least he has his dream, and he is chasing it.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: vegaslover on February 02, 2008, 12:48:39 AM
He'll lose everything sooner or later, best buy himself a cardboard box


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: doubleup on February 02, 2008, 12:55:06 AM
the balls and the gumption for having a dream and chasing it to the very end, too many peoples lives end with too many what-ifs, at least he has his dream, and he is chasing it.

I'm not sure he has a dream or a goal other than to continue gambling at a level that gives him a rush. 


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: JungleCat03 on February 02, 2008, 07:06:44 AM
Indeed, the textbook tells us gambling problems are synonymous with denial.

You come across many honest accounts of what people go through with their gambling issues, but they are almost always written retrospectively. It is very rare to see a blog like the one Ed Hollis writes, I can think of no other examples over a sustained period of time.

He sees what is happening, yet is still not only happen to proceed, but also to write about it.

An enigma, perhaps masochistic?

thats the fascinating thing for me, its like he has an unwavering belief that it will all come good, he will sell his equity in the house, get his £70k or so, pay back the £15k loan, and ride the £55k into the depths of millionaire-hood... and its this belief that I am pretty sure all the other high stakes players have, and that most mortals dont have. Even if he fails, I will always admire him for having the balls and the gumption for having a dream and chasing it to the very end, too many peoples lives end with too many what-ifs, at least he has his dream, and he is chasing it.

Don't you think that this is ascribing lofty intentions to him that simply aren't there?

While I think it's wrong to simply say someone is a bad player purely because they lack self discipline (eg Ungar Cloutier etc), I can't see past a guy who just seems to say "how much money can I get hold of and what's the highest limit I can play at." There seems to be a massive self destructive streak in his play at times, that is at the heart of the thinking of most degenerative gamblers. If he got to his "ultimate goal" of being a millionaire, I could imagine him on the phone to Andy Beal wanting to play HU4ROLLZ the next day. This makes for a really bad role model for any young poker players in my eyes.

I don't want to see him do badly, he comes across as a nice guy, and his warts and all blog is compulsive for sure, but I hope someone close to him with some influence over his decisions persuades him to move far away from poker for a while and channel his talents into something that will fulfil him without laying everything he owns on the line.

I know this isn't true of you but most of the people saying "don't listen to the doubters, go for it!" aren't saying so because they genuinely care for him, but because they get a vicarious thrill out of his rollercoaster blog and because they want to give some sort of validation to their own degenerative gambling side.

All IMO naturally.



Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: taximan007 on February 02, 2008, 07:18:17 AM
Indeed, the textbook tells us gambling problems are synonymous with denial.

You come across many honest accounts of what people go through with their gambling issues, but they are almost always written retrospectively. It is very rare to see a blog like the one Ed Hollis writes, I can think of no other examples over a sustained period of time.

He sees what is happening, yet is still not only happen to proceed, but also to write about it.

An enigma, perhaps masochistic?

thats the fascinating thing for me, its like he has an unwavering belief that it will all come good, he will sell his equity in the house, get his £70k or so, pay back the £15k loan, and ride the £55k into the depths of millionaire-hood... and its this belief that I am pretty sure all the other high stakes players have, and that most mortals dont have. Even if he fails, I will always admire him for having the balls and the gumption for having a dream and chasing it to the very end, too many peoples lives end with too many what-ifs, at least he has his dream, and he is chasing it.

Don't you think that this is ascribing lofty intentions to him that simply aren't there?

While I think it's wrong to simply say someone is a bad player purely because they lack self discipline (eg Ungar Cloutier etc), I can't see past a guy who just seems to say "how much money can I get hold of and what's the highest limit I can play at." There seems to be a massive self destructive streak in his play at times, that is at the heart of the thinking of most degenerative gamblers. If he got to his "ultimate goal" of being a millionaire, I could imagine him on the phone to Andy Beal wanting to play HU4ROLLZ the next day. This makes for a really bad role model for any young poker players in my eyes.

I don't want to see him do badly, he comes across as a nice guy, and his warts and all blog is compulsive for sure, but I hope someone close to him with some influence over his decisions persuades him to move far away from poker for a while and channel his talents into something that will fulfil him without laying everything he owns on the line.

I know this isn't true of you but most of the people saying "don't listen to the doubters, go for it!" aren't saying so because they genuinely care for him, but because they get a vicarious thrill out of his rollercoaster blog and because they want to give some sort of validation to their own degenerative gambling side.

All IMO naturally.




 :goodpost:


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Card_Shark on February 02, 2008, 10:38:12 AM
He isn't listening to any of sound advice offered to him.......the guy need's professional help NOW!


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: vegaslover on February 02, 2008, 10:46:53 AM
I hope he goes completely busto and loses everything, including friends, credit rating etc etc. He's a lost cause and another that is destined to learn the 'hard way'.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: NoflopsHomer on February 02, 2008, 10:53:13 AM
I hope he goes completely busto and loses everything, including friends, credit rating etc etc. He's a lost cause and another that is destined to learn the 'hard way'.

He did that last year.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: vegaslover on February 02, 2008, 11:16:44 AM
No I mean completely where he loses all respect from friends, can't get credit, and ends up at the bottom of the barrel, so to speak. The sooner this guy crashes and burns the better his chance of recovery/change.
The way he's going he will lead a very short life.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ifm on February 02, 2008, 12:19:36 PM
Going totally bust will be the making of him, he will accept a backer and that backer will reign him in.
I think the guy is destined for superstardom pokerwise and fair play to him.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Longy on February 02, 2008, 12:34:21 PM
Going totally bust will be the making of him, he will accept a backer and that backer will reign him in.
I think the guy is destined for superstardom pokerwise and fair play to him.

Lol whoever backs him is madder than Ed. Backer gives him $2000 to play .5/1, Ed is last seen shortstacking 25/50.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on February 02, 2008, 03:18:07 PM
Going totally bust will be the making of him, he will accept a backer and that backer will reign him in.
I think the guy is destined for superstardom pokerwise and fair play to him.
I think if someone could back him into big tournies he has a great chance, his play is more suited to tournies..
I hope he gets back on track and at the end of the day hes very young, won the house from poker winnings so if he sell it and blows the money he will only be back at square one where the rest of his mates are at the moment.
i wish him all the luck in the world, he will need it.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: EyeballKid on February 02, 2008, 04:47:50 PM
The guy is brainless, I have no respect whatsoever for him.  Someone described his as a degenerate gambler on here, very true.  Wish him no luck at all, he just doesn't deserve it.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Gryff on February 02, 2008, 07:01:35 PM
I bet the bastards only still gambling to mess with my thread title!

 ;yellowcard;


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: kvnstv on February 02, 2008, 08:10:36 PM
Going totally bust will be the making of him, he will accept a backer and that backer will reign him in.
I think the guy is destined for superstardom pokerwise and fair play to him.
I think if someone could back him into big tournies he has a great chance, his play is more suited to tournies..
I hope he gets back on track and at the end of the day hes very young, won the house from poker winnings so if he sell it and blows the money he will only be back at square one where the rest of his mates are at the moment.
i wish him all the luck in the world, he will need it.

Sorry Sir, I have to take issue with this statement. Having played the highest stakes and lost hundreds of thousands in a day how is he ever going to work a normal job, let alone take a job as a trainee or office junior. He has set his life on a certain path now that he will be unlikely to ever leave; now it’s just a matter of whether he learns to control his impulses and is fortunate enough and good enough to be a successful gambler or a life time loser. 


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: AlexMartin on February 03, 2008, 02:26:49 PM
Ifm hit nail on head. This guy will be massive in a few years. Just needs to go to the bottom of the barrel before he can rethink/reshape his attitude to poker stakes. Fwiw he is a shit role-model to emerging players with his rollercoaster blog but hey, at least he plays true poker which will stand him in good stead in the long run. GL ed.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Sark79 on February 03, 2008, 07:29:51 PM
He has a gun fighter style of play and lacks fear .  Surely that is something all great players have, Antonius, Gus (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=564) Hansen (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=564) , etc, etc, etc.  Ok, maybe he isn't in the league yet, but he has already played at a level almost all of us with never reach.  He has played in the highest online games and went bust over and over and managed to come back.  This shows he must have something,  it is impossible to get to those games, go broke and then get back there and not have talent.  His lack of self control is his major problem obviously. 

If he could calm down,  wouldn't he be a major force?     I read somewhere that Neil Jedica(sp?) has been a millionaire several times over and lost it all only to do an Ed and get back to the biggest games time after time.   Ed is a young guy and hopefully with time he will gain self control.

If Phil (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=708) Hellmuth (http://www.blondepoker.com/blondepedia/blondepedia_view_player.php?player_id=708) was on the cover of a poker magazine and Ed was on the cover of another,  I would rather read Ed's interview than Hellmuths.  I think a feature interview with Ed would sell a large number of copies for any poker magazine in the UK, possibly other places as well

People may not agree, but I am cool with that  :D


Good luck Ed


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: LLevan on February 29, 2008, 12:09:10 PM
Hold onto your hats hes back having borrowed 5k and current BR stands at 7k according to his blog.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Hairydude on February 29, 2008, 12:51:08 PM
Hold onto your hats hes back having borrowed 5k and current BR stands at 7k according to his blog.

Thats a worry-he'll go bankrupt!!!

The 1st time this guy came to my attention was through blonde- and someone said he is someone to watch- and as soon as I looked I knew why!!!

He must be a decent player but his BR management is shocking- I couldn't believe he'd sit in on sessions with his entire roll-downright ridiculous-especially at those levels


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: GreekStein on February 29, 2008, 01:19:02 PM
I've just read his latest entry myself and gotta say I found it funny when he said he was gonna inplement a stop loss rule. Ironic when he often sits with his whole roll. He loses one buyin and he has to stop!


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: LuckyLloyd on February 29, 2008, 01:21:42 PM
LOL this fish (and don't for one second think he isn't terrible) is such a sick, sick, DEGENERATE. Grim stuff.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: TheChipPrince on February 29, 2008, 01:47:27 PM
Does he play live? Someone here must know him personally?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Graham C on February 29, 2008, 03:01:04 PM
He's on about buying into an upcoming EPT (or was) and I guess he's played them before. 


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: riverdave on February 29, 2008, 08:57:12 PM
This guy can't play his style is soooooo exploitable. I have watched and played with him. I myself was on a very similar rollercoaster to him and may return there again who knows, but i've had a much steadier curve since i took a manager on to look after the financial aspects and just concentrate on playing poker. He certainly needs something like that to give him any chance, Jedlicka the same.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: suzanne on February 29, 2008, 11:23:49 PM
I know where there is a photo of him.

I dont think im allowed to post the link as its on another forum but PM me if you want to know where it is.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: TheChipPrince on September 20, 2008, 01:02:17 AM
 ;booder;


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Amatay on September 20, 2008, 01:38:27 AM
I spoke to the fish about 1 month ago. He said he been playing small stakes which for him is 5/10 10/20 and grinding out a small profit i think. He also said he cant win much anymore because the standard is much improved and he has a poor attitude.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: TheChipPrince on September 20, 2008, 01:41:45 AM
I spoke to the fish about 1 month ago. He said he been playing small stakes which for him is 5/10 10/20 and grinding out a small profit i think. He also said he cant win much anymore because the standard is much improved and he has a poor attitude.

At least he's honest i guess... 


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ariston on September 20, 2008, 10:08:50 AM
he was playing last week and seeming cheerful on msn. Hope he isnt gonna start the blog again though


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: GreekStein on September 20, 2008, 02:19:29 PM
he was playing last week and seeming cheerful on msn. Hope he isnt gonna start the blog again though

I think his problem was never listening to any advice on his blog so he actually made it counterproductive. Initially people tried to offer advice and when he never listened and kept up his unprofitable degenerate habits the readers just used his blog to make fun at him


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Tractor on October 05, 2008, 11:07:11 PM
Hes back blogging and with a small bankroll.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: gribbo on October 06, 2008, 01:10:50 PM
how long before he goes busto? What sites does this guy play on?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ariston on October 06, 2008, 01:15:48 PM
begged him to not start the blog again

why ed why???


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Royal Flush on October 06, 2008, 01:20:17 PM
begged him to not start the blog again

why ed why???


he was playing last week and seeming cheerful on msn. Hope he isnt gonna start the blog again though

Shameless i know bluescouse brag post


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: ariston on October 06, 2008, 01:33:20 PM
begged him to not start the blog again

why ed why???


he was playing last week and seeming cheerful on msn. Hope he isnt gonna start the blog again though

Shameless i know bluescouse brag post

dont know him from adam apart from msn chats and the odd staking chat. I do know worse degenerate gamblers and plenty of them though lol. His blog is no doubt going to be car crash viewing again though :(


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: hugob055 on October 06, 2008, 05:23:29 PM
begged him to not start the blog again

why ed why???


he was playing last week and seeming cheerful on msn. Hope he isnt gonna start the blog again though





Shameless i know bluescouse brag post

dont know him from adam apart from msn chats and the odd staking chat. I do know worse degenerate gamblers and plenty of them though lol. His blog is no doubt going to be car crash viewing again though :(


lol thought he was a brother or something, maybe one needs to worry about ones own life and save the worry for the real stuff


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: Laxie on September 30, 2010, 10:05:45 AM
Is there a reason 30 or more guests are glued to this thread this morning?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: blonde17 on September 30, 2010, 10:40:00 AM
 Aspades
CURIOSITY?

THERE ARE NOW TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT AREAS OR TYPES OF POKER PLAYER, THE SERIOUS WANT TO WIN/NEED TO WIN TYPE, AND THE ENTERTAINMENT GUNG-HO GIVE IT A GO TYPE.
The first we can all meet and watch every day, the second (and good luck to them) we love to watch when they appear/reappear, just to see how high they can go before the inevitable crash....just curiosity.


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: paulhouk03 on September 30, 2010, 12:19:24 PM
isildur1?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: blonde17 on September 30, 2010, 01:03:15 PM
isildur1?
Sammy "any two" ?


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: pleno1 on March 31, 2012, 09:00:32 PM
hes playing zoom now..


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: titaniumbean on March 31, 2012, 10:27:07 PM
hes playing zoom now..

rofl really?

hi der bumpage


Title: Re: 88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.
Post by: pleno1 on March 31, 2012, 11:22:16 PM
yeh flat my 4bet in position and floated ak4 with the 79 ball