88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.

[bolt pp]

I rate people with natural ability much higher than people who work hard to achieve, many probably disagree but i would much prefer to see Ronnie play with his flair and wild temperament than a player that is good, works hard and has full control.  The same goes for 88%, i rate him higher than a guy grinding 50nl 7 days a week for a small profit.

 

But this guy, IMO, is NOT a good player, i played against him a few times on the full ring 10 seated $10/$20 crypto table before they added the bigger games and he was definitely a fish and having watched him on his last account on the 25/50 and 40/80 tables he hadn't improved, he's got bottle and i love this guys story but unless he gets an exceptional run of cards and outdraws he'll do the lot again.

[MANTIS01]

Yes, you must have the ability to go with the mentality and great poker players have both in spades.

Another great exponent of his field who has recently died was Evel Knievel. He was also in the risk business. He was always looking to add another couple of buses to embrace the risk and confront disaster head on. This is why he was the best. If he was looking to have less buses he would still have been good...but not great. So poker players who are not adverse to risking it all have the best poker mentality...but ability is always gonna help.

[TightEnd]

One little known fact about the Kneivel was he always scoffed three full tins of baked beans 93 minutes beofre a 42 bus jump.

Stood him in great stead for years, clearly.

[barhell]

One little known fact about the Kneivel was he always scoffed three full tins of baked beans 93 minutes beofre a 42 bus jump.

Stood him in great stead for years, clearly.

Was it for extra lift?

[kinboshi]

One little known fact about the Kneivel was he always scoffed three full tins of baked beans 93 minutes beofre a 42 bus jump.

Stood him in great stead for years, clearly.

Fortunately for him, he didn't have a tache.

[steeveg]

Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

You say that like thats a bad thing 

i could let him off for the drugs alcohol and women

but that tash is a crime against humanity

and lets try and forget the mullet

I once knew a bloke that had a big moustache, when he was 19 he started a catering course at Uni. After a couple of days the tutor took him to one side and said that they encouraged the students to shave for hygiene purposes. My friend explained that his girlfriend had told him that she wanted him to have facial hair as it added a little for her in certain bedroom situations and the tutor just said 'fair enough, but just make sure you wash it thoroughly then'  

The same guy was due to play a snooker qtr final in the Sheff/Rotherham snooker league and asked me to lend him £50 so he could bet on himself saying he was a good thing, the day after he came around asking if he could pay me back later as he had lost. I asked him what happened and he explained that he had got home late from work and wolfed down his tea to get to the match on time. Halfway thru the first frame he was pondering a shot and ruffled his fingers thru his tache, to his horror he discovered a baked bean stuck in it and after going to the gents to remove the said item was then so embarrassed thinking about the people on the bus and in the club that must have seen his bean he couldn't concentrate.

poor lad know ones heard of him since , does that make him a has bean now

[bobby1]

Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

You say that like thats a bad thing 

i could let him off for the drugs alcohol and women

but that tash is a crime against humanity

and lets try and forget the mullet

I once knew a bloke that had a big moustache, when he was 19 he started a catering course at Uni. After a couple of days the tutor took him to one side and said that they encouraged the students to shave for hygiene purposes. My friend explained that his girlfriend had told him that she wanted him to have facial hair as it added a little for her in certain bedroom situations and the tutor just said 'fair enough, but just make sure you wash it thoroughly then'  

The same guy was due to play a snooker qtr final in the Sheff/Rotherham snooker league and asked me to lend him £50 so he could bet on himself saying he was a good thing, the day after he came around asking if he could pay me back later as he had lost. I asked him what happened and he explained that he had got home late from work and wolfed down his tea to get to the match on time. Halfway thru the first frame he was pondering a shot and ruffled his fingers thru his tache, to his horror he discovered a baked bean stuck in it and after going to the gents to remove the said item was then so embarrassed thinking about the people on the bus and in the club that must have seen his bean he couldn't concentrate.

poor lad know ones heard of him since , does that make him a has bean now

yes, he blew it big time

[MANTIS01]

I heard he moved to Germany and is now going by the name Heinz...sounds a bit half-baked to me though.

[kinboshi]

He wasn't that good though.  His highest break was only 57.

[thetank]

No I accept the physical traits a boxer requires but if said boxer had the mentality that he wants to avoid a dangerous opponent because of the risk he could be beaten then no matter how good the record books say he is he is never going to be a true fighting champion. As such a poker player that innately seeks to avoid risk is never going to be as proficient as a character who welcomes it.

I think you've over-run the boxing analogy and it has lost it's relevance to poker.

Two different £5/£10 NL cash games are available to a player, one is full of seasoned pros, the other full of tourists. Off course we all know which one to play in to make the cash.
Do you have to test yourself by bluffing Chan out of one pot et al, foresaking the profit at the other table to test and improve your game with the sharks.

To me, a good poker player can seperate themselves from their ego and knows exactly where to sit.

[sovietsong]

No I accept the physical traits a boxer requires but if said boxer had the mentality that he wants to avoid a dangerous opponent because of the risk he could be beaten then no matter how good the record books say he is he is never going to be a true fighting champion. As such a poker player that innately seeks to avoid risk is never going to be as proficient as a character who welcomes it.

If its on the internet I two table...and pwn them both

I think you've over-run the boxing analogy and it has lost it's relevance to poker.

Two different £5/£10 NL cash games are available to a player, one is full of seasoned pros, the other full of tourists. Off course we all know which one to play in to make the cash.
Do you have to test yourself by bluffing Chan out of one pot et al, foresaking the profit at the other table to test and improve your game with the sharks.

To me, a good poker player can seperate themselves from their ego and knows exactly where to sit.

[thetank]

If its on the internet I two table...and pwn them both

lol

[LLevan]

This debate had been excellent and both sides of the coin have their merits as to definitions of greatness. Continuing on the boxing theme what if we move over to athletics, lets leave aside the drug takers, a lot of the so called greats from days gone by have been overtaken by the next generation of athletes times come down jumpers jump higher and longer throwers sling the discus and other objects further. Does this mean that the latest generation of athletes are greater than their precessors?

[TightEnd]

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=23895.0

[LLevan]

An interesting read there too thanks Tight End...........back to the original debate and greatness in Poker, there are surely 2 very different disciplines in Poker, cash and tournaments and it appears that in recent years tournaments have become a measure of a poker players greatness by how many titles or how much money he has won from them. The recent early death of Chip Reese has led most of the known Poker players to call him the greatest poker player of recent years. The mere fact that Doyle Brunson has played at the top for so many years surely should make him a great too. Helmuth for all his titles must make him a great. But what about the unsung greats who anonymously play online and pick their tables and make millions every year are they any less great that the forementioned?