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should probably keep an eye on this thread

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8727742&an=0&page=0&vc=1 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8727742&an=0&page=0&vc=1)

Pretty serious allegations there..

indeed

VERY serious indeed. Not much in the way of proof there though.

I have personally met Svindle and Brennevin and spent quite a bit of time with them - it was in Slovenia last year at the WHUPC - VERY rich guys indeed.

Will be interesting to see the outcome

The accuser does sound like he has lost a lot of money of late. 

Whether this makes the allegations more or less likely to be true, I'm not sure.

i had eskabarSNG on my msn, he seemed alright, but he wouldn't be the first rougue on my contact list

I don't see any proof whatsoever in that thread..just an accusation and 1 hand history from where one of the guys accused to cheating actually looses a hand...

just spoke to young eskabor, he got royally shafted by  betonsports too   it seems,as did ALL his affilliates      payments stopped  PRIOR to  arrests so vvv fishy indeed.

im an old lag on tribeca,and have reported collusion several times to managers   .


they have a DENY   DENY  DENY   policy imo,and never resolved satisfactorily.


u gotta be savvy online,and generally if it it quacks,tis indeed a duck.



ps   seats now on sale for 1k in bolton.alledgedly.ffs.

mebbes   certain sites have been sidelined in purchasing a brewery?

I have played with eskabor for years now, and he was always a straight up guy. I know bet on sports has killed his affiliate program stone dead and he is currently looking for backers. It may be possible that he had approached these rich guys for a help to set back up and they knocked him back. mind you he did warn me along time ago to stay away for certain tables on trebbecca. (like i would be doing 10/20nl there?)

As i said always been a straight up guy with me, but money can make people strange esp a lack of it.

What proof do you guys need? If you don't trust my word how could you trust a simple chat log? I don't have hand histories or anything like that because I wasn't involved in the cheating. I do however have their names before and after joining my rakeback. Also I have people that will probably back me up that I warned before. Also it isn't the biggest secret in the world... I really hope some other high profile players come and back me up here.

Anyways what proof do you NEED? I will tell you if I can do it. My computer needs to get fixed anyways... but its not on top of my list of things to do(especially just to provide proof to non believers that could easily be said as being fake).

I am broke right now.. but I've been broke for awhile and been downhill for awhile(ever since bos thing). Me being broke isn't going to make me expose innocent guys... I have many contacts and you don't see me spewing stuff about them. Just trust the fact that I've warned people before (jimmy dean, rivergod, Ko_ocken, jensaboy, want to come to my aid?) I was broke. Why would I do this if it is a lie? Anyways I will try and entertain any need for proof.

P.S. I've asked most of my contact list for a stake, so not sure how relevant that is. I am chat buddies with people much richer, why them?

-Eskabor

DELETED says:
what the fuck are you saying at twosporttwo?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You can not read it?
DELETED says:
you are small
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Svindle cheats. If you cheat with him then it includes you too.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Why am I small? Exposing cheaters?
DELETED says:
its rediculus
DELETED says:
lol
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Tell me what is wrong with what I'm doing
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Go ahead, try and deny your friend is a cheater.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Please try and deny it.
DELETED says:
first of all your argumentation is bad
DELETED says:
same house
DELETED says:
?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
That isn't my arguement.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
My arguement is svindle admitted it to me, i have records of his before and after rakeback accounts
DELETED says:
they cant play togheter from same IP
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
and they played at the same tables
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Look man, just say you don't believe it
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
And come defend your friend
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
But why did your friend admit cheating to me?
DELETED says:
many accounts are allowed
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I understand this
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
But why were accounts used by svindle at teh same table?
DELETED says:
you have nothing
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Ok. Just say it man
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Go ahead try and lie right to me and say your friends don't cheat
DELETED says:
and then go to a pokerforum to say someone cheating is very rude
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Don't make me lose all respect for you too DELETED
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Well it's true, is it not?
DELETED says:
theyr are not cheating
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
So your stance is they never played at the same tables
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
And never admitted cheating to me?
DELETED says:
they have played at same table
DELETED says:
of course
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Do they or do they not live together?
DELETED says:
but seldom
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Oh so they seldom cheat, that's good.
DELETED says:
its not cheating play at same table
DELETED says:
like me and you
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You want me to believe he doesnt brenn his cards
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
when he has told ME his cards?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Also what do I get from making this up?
DELETED says:
i dont know
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Then swallow the bitter pill. They cheated. I'm not grassing them to the hosts I'm informing other players
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
So they can protect themselves.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
He ADMITTED IT TO ME man
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
there is nothing else to say
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Please don't make me lose the respect for you by protecting him
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I had respect for svindle until I figured out he cheats
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I see you typing and retyping
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
not knowing what to say
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
It's ok man, say nothing. You've said enough. You are making it worse for your cheating friends.
DELETED says:
and then you asked him for beiing in his cheating ring?????????
DELETED says:
lol
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Yep, I sure did try to learn more about it.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Obviously svindle is with you now
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
If he isn't a cheater why does he care what I say?
DELETED says:
he doesnt
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Just defend yourselves in the forums.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Then why are you messaging me?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
It's true, and I'm not going to shut up about it anymore.
DELETED says:
but his reputation
DELETED says:
not good
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Fuck his reputation. It's his fault.
DELETED says:
lol
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You get a bad reputation when you cheat.
DELETED says:
im not cheaqting and you know that
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Is this svindle?
DELETED says:
nono
DELETED says:
its DELETED
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Oh
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Well I don't know if you cheat with them
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
But they do cheat, I saw it with my own two eyes
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Now you can be on the cheaters side and defend them
DELETED says:
but DELETED told me about the site
DELETED says:
because
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Or you can just take it for whats its worth and get new friends
DELETED says:
i know them and i see that they eldom sit at same table
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Good, so they only seldom cheat
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Aren't they nice.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Ask svindle why he admitted cheating to me then
DELETED says:
they are playing against eachother then because they want to see which are best
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Oh please.
DELETED says:
ok if he had its his problem
DELETED says:
but i dont know them like that
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
He did admit it so it is his problem
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Well sorry to burst your bubble but its true
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I have no reason to lie
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I would of told everyone earlier but I couldn't
DELETED says:
why+
DELETED says:
?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I was told to bequiet about it
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
It co uld of ruined my rakeback business
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I was already under false suspicion of cheating
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
which was cleared up.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
But losing the trust of my rakeback clients even if they are cheaters would of destroyed my business
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I told svindle to be careful.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
He kept cheating, so its on him.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Have I ever took you for a ride man? We have had talks before
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Do I seem like the type to do this for no reason? Svindle admitted it to me.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I didn't bring you into the picture even though I knew you were good friends with them because I wasn't sure
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
If I really was a lieing prick I would have, and every other person he referred
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
But as far as I know its mainly svindle/brenn
DELETED says:
you are suspicious to other too
DELETED says:
no reason
DELETEDsays:
its all unfair coz you havent proof
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I have my word. svindle has his.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Whats his proof he isnt cheating.. after you KNOW he plays at the same table with his best friend under accoutns no one knows about?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Please.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I have "proof" on my other computer too, but I'm sure you will come up with a way to say it isn't good enough
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Your friend is a cheat. I'm done with this and I'm posting this on 2+2 and blonde poker
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I really don't want to involve you in this though
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I'll blank out your name, ok?
DELETED says:
ok
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Or do you not have a problem with me posting this?
DELETED says:
thats unfair if my name is there
DELETED says:
and you know it
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Alright. I will blank out your name.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I don't know that you did anything wrong. It looks like all you did was protect a friend. I will not ruin your reputation for nothing. I hope you realize that I am fair and am not lieing about this whole thing.
DELETED says:
ok
DELETED says:
ill hope so
DELETED says:
but you wrote
DELETED says:
in the beginning they looked like donks
DELETED says:
looooooooool
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Where did i ever write this
DELETED says:
at the forum
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Please quote or link it
DELETED says:
no respect
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
show me where I said that.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
They seemed like a fishy bunch to begin with because I offered rakeback to brennevin and got svindle
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You are misunderstanding english if this is what you think
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
fishy means suspect
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
not just donk.
DELETED says:
ok
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
svindle is a good player, ive played him HU
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
theres no doubt about it
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
but he cheats.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
i dont know how often he does
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
but he does.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
also, what was svindles name on betonsports?
DELETED says:
i dont remember
DELETED says:
my was DELETED
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
ok.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
i know
DELETED says:
i know that i was not cheating
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I never said you were.
DELETED says:
so thats absolute clear
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
i have no proof and have no reason to believe besides that you are his friend, which isnt enough
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
ill take your word for it and I will not tell anyone i think you were.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
what has svindle said about all of this?
DELETED says:
he can talk for him self
DELETED says:
he is on vacation
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
agreed. I'll talk to him.

Eskabor. Any chance u might need a backer?

LoL. Would 99.99% chance of me needing a backer be too low since it is in this chat log a million times?

:)

Gl. Interesting stuff either way. Reason why headsup is so popular at the high stakes online is to eliminate worries of collusion.

Absolutely lost his plot.

What if the two playing heads up are colluding??

That's nothing - I collude at Solitaire.

But there are  card-games where you are supposed to collude - ironically, one of them is called "Solo"...!

Anyone remember that? Solo, (5 tricks) Abundance ("Bundle") 9 tricks, Royal Abundance (9 tricks in the nominated suit), Mezzaire (sp), Mezzaire-Avere (sp). I adored playing Mezzaire. For those not aware, Mezzaire is a "Solo" game option in which you have to LOSE tricks, Mezzaire Avere is the same except you have to lose every trick (13) but before the round starts, but after losing the first trick, you place your cards FACE UP on the table. I really was vey good at Mezz - I guess that's where I learned to play losing hands.

No Tikay, I dont remember that one, however you are just older than me ;p

My first card experience was playing NAP (or is it KNAP?) with nan and grandad on Sunday evenings - GREAT game!

Nap - abbreviation for "Napoleon" - is the same thing as Solo really. Sort of.

I used to play nap in the pub, if you made a mistake you got barred

As you damn well should, because that spoiled it for the other players.

 ;tk;

Shut it you. Right?

Here is my recent chat with svindle. A really nice guy. He won't clearly come out and say he is cheating this time, but it should be obvious now. Otherwise he could post his names and the names of his friends. Could some handsome whiteguy ask them from him so people will know for sure?
LOL.

Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8727742&an=0&page=1#Post8727742
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
you should probably come defend yourself.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Or admit to it.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Come and lie though, ill post our chats and your screenames
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
So don't try and lie and make me look like a lieing fuck.
Sindre Sturle says:
lol
Sindre Sturle says:
why are you saying things like this?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Because they are true.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You trying to say they aren't?
Sindre Sturle says:
its not true..and because your broke then start acting like a *****? you even owe me rakeback..but i never asked about it..to be nice
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Because I'm broke?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Why would I expose YOU if it wasn't true because I was fucking broke?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Come on man use your brain, i got hundreds of contacts and some of them high profile players than you. Why would I expose you, what makes you special?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I don't care if you tried to be nice, and I owe alot of people rakeback because of the BOS thing, but I didnt get paid so what do you want me to do?
Sindre Sturle says:
i have 0,00 at svindle account and brennevin got 0,00
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
What were your accounts again?
Sindre Sturle says:
what are you trying to win at this?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Nothing. I'm exposing you like I wish I could of before
Sindre Sturle says:
its not mine account
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
It's not right for you to cheat like this.
Sindre Sturle says:
my account is svindle
Sindre Sturle says:
and i went to school with brennevin
Sindre Sturle says:
played same tables many times
Sindre Sturle says:
but not as a team
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
LoL
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Not sure why you are lieing now
Sindre Sturle says:
you are broke and bitter
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
When you've admitted it to me before
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I'm not bitter at you svindle
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I respected you till you cheated.
Sindre Sturle says:
you are a very terrible player eskabor
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Thank you svindle, post your pokertracker stats vs me.
Sindre Sturle says:
everyone says im a cheeter..im just too good
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Svindle
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I don't care what other people call you
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You are a cheater.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You've admitted it to me.
Sindre Sturle says:
im the most winning at tribecca
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I don't know if you cheat all the time... but I've seen you cheat
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I warned you to stop, didn't I?
Sindre Sturle says:
im the star escabor
Sindre Sturle says:
you are a broke loser
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Doesn't mean you should cheat
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
If you are so good you shouldn't cheat.
Sindre Sturle says:
you are like a litle black gangsterboy
Sindre Sturle says:
get a life man
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
<--- Mexican
Sindre Sturle says:
im not cheeting
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Have you ever cheated?
Sindre Sturle says:
nope
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Then why did you tell me you did?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Why were accounts you registered at same table
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
And why would I lie svindle?
Sindre Sturle says:
im the star..many players uses my accounts
Sindre Sturle says:
i got plenty
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Well maybe you should not fucking let them play at the same table
Sindre Sturle says:
cos you are a fat brooke mexican
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You use pokertracker? Post your results facing me.
Sindre Sturle says:
i dont care
Sindre Sturle says:
i got no money in accounts
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You don't care that your being exposed? thats good
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Thanks for admitting it.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
At least you will be black listed in the community
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Fucking cheater.
Sindre Sturle says:
lololololol
Sindre Sturle says:
at the grindersclub
Sindre Sturle says:
hahahahahahahahahhahahahaa
Sindre Sturle says:
hahahahaa
Sindre Sturle says:
im the star..you the black loser
Sindre Sturle says:
remember that
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
LOL
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You aren't helping yourself man
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Who couldn't cheat and be a star?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Give me all your account names
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
So we can clear this up
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
If you didn't cheat I will apologize
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
And never post a word about you again
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Your a racist prick too
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Now no one is going to believe you
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Post every name you have
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
And we will clear this up.
Sindre Sturle says:
why do i need to be belived?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Then shut the fuck up about it
Sindre Sturle says:
i can pose the msn were you asked me to be a part of the team
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Good. Do it.
Sindre Sturle says:
noone would suspect u
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
That would be you admitting to cheating
Sindre Sturle says:
i answered you there are no team
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
And me obviously trying to learn how the FUCK YOU CHEATERS DONT GET CAUGHT
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Just post your names
Sindre Sturle says:
i have never seen brennevins cards
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
And you never told me your cards?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Just post all your screenames and the dataminers can clear you if you don't cheat
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
And Ill apologize and not say another word.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
If you leave any names out, Ill post the list I have
Sindre Sturle says:
if you were a smart white guy i might do it..but you are a mexican loser
Sindre Sturle says:
i feel sorry for you
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I'm half mexican
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
So go ahead and post half
Sindre Sturle says:
eat less dinner
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
LoL fucking prick
Sindre Sturle says:
who does it fell to be a poor,black fat mexican?
Sindre Sturle says:
how
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
<3
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Only been poor for a few months, and I'm 18
Sindre Sturle says:
im in a luxus holliday with my family
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
how does it feel to be a cheating scum?
Sindre Sturle says:
im the star
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
The star of cheaters.
Sindre Sturle says:
why not play me heads up then
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You haven't even beaten me HU have you?
Sindre Sturle says:
noone will
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You know I'm broke, thats why you talk shit
Sindre Sturle says:
cos im so damn good
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Post your PT data on me vs you vs heads up on any of your accounts
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You suck at heads up man
Sindre Sturle says:
i feel bad if winning vs you
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
lololololol
Sindre Sturle says:
you need to feed your family
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
So you purposely lost to me all these years?
Sindre Sturle says:
i got 2 mill us in my account
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I'm 18, I don't have a family to support
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Congrats. I hope they take it all.
Sindre Sturle says:
my bank account
Sindre Sturle says:
dont have a penny at poker account
Sindre Sturle says:
there are nothing to be taken
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
So are we done? 1. You are a racist cheating prick. 2. You havent beat me heads up. 3. You don't care about any of the above because your money isnt in poker accounts
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Sound good?
Sindre Sturle says:
i dont care coz im not a ceather
Sindre Sturle says:
im just a poker star
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Bullshit. And everyone will see through it with this chat.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
And the fact you won't post your names
Sindre Sturle says:
watch my game and learn how to be a champ
Sindre Sturle says:
i will not coz you are a black gangster
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
step 1. get some cheating friends step 2. have a friend who owns one of the skisn step 3. cheat players out of money
Sindre Sturle says:
i would post if you were white
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
What the fuck does that have to do with anything
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
lolololololololo You are just making things worse for you
Sindre Sturle says:
worse?
Sindre Sturle says:
what can you do?
Sindre Sturle says:
kill me
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Nah, just expose you man.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You are a coward. You won't even admit it when you have been caught.
Sindre Sturle says:
svindle =cheeting in norwegian
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
so you do admit it?
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
And I knew that btw
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Just have some fucking honor and admit it
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Fucking coward.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You are rich.. but you are nothing among your peers.
Sindre Sturle says:
honnor with the vlack boy
Sindre Sturle says:
im good looking rich
Sindre Sturle says:
you would kill to have my life
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Doesn't change the fact you are a cheater.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I'd kill for certain things.. and thats not it. Die a coward. You could just admit it and be like "so what" instead you keep lieing to everybody
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I bet alot of people you cheated are going to be mad at you.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
Hope you run into some of them playing live.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
You cheat there too?

It's not up to the accused to provide proof of his innocence, rather his accuser to provide evidence for his guilt. Your name is Eskabor, not McCarthy.

Your word will not be enough.
In this world, you shouldn't be offended if people fail to take you at your word. After all, this is t'internet.

Moreover, if all this is true, the moral high gorund is something you can't really lay claim to. Having known that these players were cheating long before now.

By your own admission, you did not tell them to stop, you told them to be careful. I think we can all see the fundamental difference there. More damning, you didn't absolve yourself of it there and then, effectively turning a blind eye so that you could continue in your almost direct benefit from this, some (a great many in fact) may say that you were therefore cheating too. Very circular logic, but would you accept the word of a cheat?



So it's clear you're not now acting in the best interest of the players or for the general wellbeing of poker etc etc. For sure, if these people have been cheating, and if through these allegations action is taken, then a positive thing has been done. You are outing these people because of a need to pursue your own agenda, this is most probably not a conscience thing. We should all be clear on that.

One can only speculate as to what your agenda may be, if I'm going down, I'm taking everybody with me, is one angle, it seems abundantly and shamelessly clear that obtaining a stake is another.

Good luck with that, you may very well need it.

I know of no-one in their right mind, who would enter into a buisness arrangement (that of staking/backing another player) with someone who has gone about all this the way you have.
Things have gone wrong for you, you have thrown allegations at former associates. Surely you can't expect a queue of people willing to deal with you, in case things go wrong for you again. Maybe it will be their private conversations pasted all over the net in a few months.

No thankyou.

I did turn a blind eye because I was told to and it would of risked destroying my business. While turning a public blind eye I warned every player I saw play with them that I knew via msn. I have an e-mail of me asking for advice on how I should handle it as an affiliate and I was told dropping it is best. Should I of let the cheaters ruined my business by exposing them when people like you would of still thought I have other agendas and the sites are obviously not doing their jobs?

Me trying to get a stake out of this... are you serious? It seems like you took alot of time to come up with what you believe to be true.. but it doesn't seem too logical.

Also... if I'm going down for what? Being broke now because of the bos situation? I'm not stupid man... I know cheaters wouldn't have tons of money in their accounts(like he even said) and would have it tucked away.. so how is he "going down"? He will still have money but the community will be warned. If this is my agenda why did I not drag the first person's chat I posted name through the mud? Why would I care about truth if this was my rather childish agenda?

If svindle isn't a cheater it would be simple for him to post all his screenames here for everyone to see. I doubt he is going to do that, do you know why... because he is a cheater. Also becareful can very well mean stop, I don't have those chat logs readily availble for me so I don't know the exact words I used. Be careful can mean watch your step before I expose you, could it not? Either way I was still told not to publically expose them. In hindsight I could have dropped them from my rakeback if I want to take the highest moral ground. But they could of in turn then shitlisted me with their contacts and ruined my business. I probably handled this part bad... but I don't see how it doesn't make any of this untrue.

"I know of no-one in their right mind, who would enter into a buisness arrangement (that of staking) with someone who has gone about all this the way you have.
Things have gone wrong for you, you have thrown allegations at former associates. Surely you can't expect a queue of people willing to deal with you, in case things go wrong for you again. Maybe it will be their private conversations pasted all over the net in a few months"

Well if they are cheats they should be worried about anything they say to me. This wasn't even along the lines of a staking deal... and once again i don't understand your logic. I shouldn't of came out because I am breaking the trust of a cheater but I also shouldn't of kept it quiet.

So answer me this.. as I'm going to assume you really did put time into this and thought it was logical. You put me into a catch 22 I look bad no matter how I handle it. What is your agenda?

Edit: Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
But losing the trust of my rakeback clients even if they are cheaters would of destroyed my business
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I told svindle to be careful.
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
He kept cheating, so its on him

Thank you for this, this obviouslys proves I said be careful in the context of "stop" I stand by if I would of exposed him then it could of ruined my business and the trust of privacy between me and other clients. That much is evident by how YOU reacted to me betraying trust in a chat.

*Sighs* I didn't want to have to do this but I have the emails of me and an affiliate manager telling me I should drop it.

With you so far, don't tell anyone, preserve the buisness.


That would appear contradictory to turning a blind eye.




So you didn't go after it, it was Chinatown, fair enough.


My evidence for this is purely circumstantial I'll admit. Your name next to "Need a backer contact if interested" around about 700 times on this thread.


If you can get this Chinatown thing, great. I'm not just trying to naysay here, I'm just warning that if you get a rep for pasting msn conversations on the internet, people may shy away from talking to you.

In the event of these allegations being true, that they are handled in a manner whereby you don't come off as someone with a vendetta.

If the facts are on your side, argue simply them, rather than hordes of conjecture that few will read, and those who do will quickly tire of. If these players have been cheating, you don't want to overdo all this and come across as just another internet conspiracy theorist.

The "I need a stake" is in my MSN screename.. not intentionally posted in these forums to try and get staked. I'm not sure what turning a bilnd eye means to you.. but I would assume there are degrees of it. If you read this whole thread and the 2+2 one I talked about warning people months ago many times. So by your definition I didn't turn a blind eye? I believe I did as I did not publically expose them as I am now. I was stuck under bad circumstances but I don't think cheaters should of also ruined my business. I was already under suspicion for cheating (i have an apology email from BOS for that as well) and it could very likely have been bad for me. Especially since I was close to all my players it wasn't just some website I ran. I may have not taken the best road.. but comparing me to him is harsh. I really doubt many others would have done differently than I did.

I don't believe this is true.

Putting forward strong suspicions (rather than vehement assertions) supported by explanation of whatever led you to these suspicions.

Not this man is a cheat - FACT, instead only the train of thought that led you to think it yourself. Let people make up their own minds as much as possible, and there will be more chance you get them on side.

Screaming your gospel as you are doing, posting endless headache inducing chat logs. It may get the job done, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

That's only me with my lime green panties opinion of course, take it for what it's worth.

All of my proof can be seen as "fake" to anyone who is set on believing that. I don't have DNA evidence or video tape of him doing this. Like you said it is the internet. Sorry for being so sarcastic but I really don't know what you guys are looking for. Only thing I can see missing is the list of all his accounts (my list isn't complete and it is on a fried computer but could probably be recovered) but even that isn't needed. Support can see which accounts are his and handle it themselves I don't need to spell it out for them. If svindle wants his name cleared he is aware of both threads and can post accordingly. People can take the information how they want. I think the conversations and him not defending himself with a full list of accounts is proof enough.

Mainly my posts are defending myself/explaining the circumstances and conditions I was in. Conspiracy theorist? It can be proven or disproven rather quickly with a full list of account names (Svindle already admitted to having a ton of account names).

Edit after your post: I wasn't talking about how I handled exposing them, but how I exposed them at all under the implications of your first long post. When someone admits cheating to me in previous chats I don't think there is a need from strong suspicons. Even in a court of law this is a confession and is enough to say he did it. Call me McCarthy.

Pfft

If that was true, then why did you attack Eskobar in your first post?

For someone who goes to talk about how best to handle things tank, are you sure that your first post was the best way to get Eskobar on side? 

I think they are too.

If a cash player has different accounts, it may be for good legitimate reason. So his opponents find it tougher to get a handle on his style of play.

Of course, you wouldn't feel the need to make this information public in a hurry if you were him,  just because someone calls you a cheat one day.

More is needed

Did you even read the conversations?

Bus tank bus tank.

What would you suggest?

Good-Cop Bad-Cop?

It seems theTank and the Bus have missed medication time again.

Acidmouse = mouse on acid

your post makes no sense mate

Yes it wasn't supposed to make sense, I am bored at work.

Erm can I think of something constructive about this thread...


It's always hard on the person that exposes cheats, there motives are invariably questioned and taken into account. I would concur that when making allegations about someone you should:

1) Have proof, facts and a solid case against them.

2) Have no skeletons in your cupboard.

3) If Rule one & two are not met do it Anon. :)

Any sense? :)

I prefer a Mouse that likes AcidHouse Music not a reference to drugs :)

I have to say I think Tank is being for voice of reason in this thing (However unlikely that may seem, Tank posting something that makes sense, I mean ;) )

I don't enjoy reading these chat transcripts as they are full of namecalling and laughing at eachother but went through them anyways and am rather dissapointed that hardly any evidence has been presented. I also agree with Tank that namecalling is not the right way to go about this sort of thing.
Eskobar seems to be a very nice bloke and coherent poster on this forum unfortunatly this does not shine through in his chatlogs.

I think he might be providing a valuable "service" in exposing people who cheat, however I am not one for believing everything I read and would like to see some form of proof other then chat transcripts (hand histories?) before I would brand others as cheats myself.

Great game, thats how I learned to play cards, age 8,  I think its 'misere' as in misery and 'misere ouvert' open misery :) You can play other games 'misere' as well it just means changing the rules to lose, as in suicide chess.  Its also a concept in combinatorial game theory but anyway...

can it bob

The point is, there is evidence.

A conversation between two people can't be faked like that.

Do you realize what you are asking for? Handhistories of obvious cheating? Do you know how hard it would be to tell in a hand history obvious cheating by people who knew what they were doing? Any hand brenn and svindle played together on their various accounts is what I present as proof. Also every other thing I have mentioned in my several other posts. I'm not too nice to racist cheaters so excuse the name calling. I'm not above everything.

If everything presented to you is not proof enough.. frankly nothing will be proof enough to you besides cross referenced hand histories of every hand they played together on all these screenames we know and other we are likely unaware of. I just don't think you realize what your asking for when you are searching for proof like this.

I disagree.

Eskabor, i am not saying you are incorrect or that I'm not inclined to believe you. Howveer if you have hand histories then it would definetly help your cause in ym opinion.

Me too. It could be faked. So could any proof that people are asking for any short of me having access to all the info the poker site does, agreed?

nutter

As this is the sort of thing that the site will have, maybe best leave it up to them for the whole judge jury executioner bit.

Nice of you to give the subjects a bit of advance warning that they are being investigated.

If they are guilty, they can move whatever cash they have before accounts get frozen.

Of course hand histories of obvious cheating would help me. But people don't realize what they are asking for when they ask for stuff like that. It is just unreasonable for someone to expect me to have proof like that.

If you ain't got the eggs, no point claiming you're going to have an omelette for dinner.

Then maybe you shouldn't be slandering in this manner.

If you think the guys are guilty, tell the relevant pokersite and let them deal with it - end of.

I really am starting to fail to see your motives in any of your posts. You seem to keep on flip flopping. It seems there is nothing I could of done right by your logic thats why I brought up catch 22. I don't need them(the sites) to tell me if they are cheating or not when it was admitted to me... to me that is enough. The fact that the site hasn't already taken action is what distrubs me. Even if they found them not guilty somehow but it was admitted to me they were cheating in MSN logs what is my line? Once again you are assuming you know my intentions. I believe it is better to warn people who are playing them than wait for a dragged out investiagtion from sites who obviously didn't care in the first place(or there would be no need for this).

Svindle admitting it to me is not an Egg? A hand history of them playing together is not an Egg? Them living in the same house is not an Egg? The way svindle is refusing to handle it is not an Egg?

Anything short of DNA evidence you can say is fabricated in a situation like this. What do you really want? You really think the only way I should be doing this is if I have a handhistory of obvious cheating despite all of this? Come on... Please explain to me what a hand history of obvious cheating even looks like! It can all be denied one way or another, it doesn't mean the information shouldn't be out there.

Svindle slandered himself.

Money & greed are some combination .....

Thank you!

Never known how to spell that.

Eskabor joined the forum at my request in March last year. We had been playing the same STTs for a month or so. He asked for my MSN contact details because he wanted to discuss rakeback and poaching other skins punters using the chatbox is not approved of by Tribeca. Not wanting to give him my MSN details I asked him to join the forum and send me a PM. This he did, offering me a generous rakeback deal. I did not accept the deal, despite it being signifigantly better than my arrangement at the time. The reasons I did not accept deal were;  I didn't know enough about Bet On Sports to trust them with my money and I had a good relationship with the skin I was using at the time. I had chatted with Eskabor at the tables he seemed like a decent bloke, he accepted my decision not to go to BOS in good grace leaving the offer open but not badgering me. 

Esky - if you are going to make such serious allegations then you need to provide proof. Not circumstantial evidence or conjecture it needs to be cast iron proof. If you have proof trapped on a damaged computer then get it retrieved if possible. Refering to proof that no-one can see is counter productive to your arguement.

Have you taken the information that you have to Tribeca? If so what was their response? This should have been your first course of action.

Wardonkey,

Yes but like I said.. proof is only going to be more saved chat logs of him admitting it and a list of his screenames. I don't see there being this tangible cast iron proof of this unless you have access to all of tribecas servers.

No I didn't talk to tribeca and I have no plans to. After being informed to drop it from an affiliate manager, after the cheating being obvious and wide spread on many accounts, after him admitting it to me... I saw a failure in Tribeca. I have no need to present them with the proof I am presenting you guys with, tribeca doesn't care anything about this and anyone could put them under investigation not just me. I am simply providing the communities with my knowledge of it all. Take it how you will.

But I will defend my word and not be called a liar/other things I have been called as a result of this. Also I'm here to clear up anything someone may not understand so the information is logical. If someone admitted cheating to you, wouldn't this course of action be correct? No matter how the site rules especially after their negligence?

I can understand your frustration - you genuinely believe them to be cheats. But you do need actual evidence - this is what the poker room will be able to provide. If you report your suspicions to the poker network then they should investigate all hand histories and will be able to ascertain guilt.

I've just read your last post and seen you haven't even reported all this to Tribeca.


You haven't got any proof - you only have accusations. They have the proof (all the hand histories). Your refusal to actually ask them about it because you don't need it is like me telling all my friends that Scarlett Johansson loves me but, once all my friends say 'prove it', not actually asking her if that's true because I 'don't need that proof'.

PS - the fact that I know Scarlett does actually love me is irrelevant.

Scandanavians cheat?

Who would have thunk it?.

You have not been to Tribaca at all.

No formal investigation has been carried out.

Affiliate managers do not represent Tribeca they are more concerned with generating rake for their skins and themselves.

No-one here has called you a liar.

I appreciate that you have stuck your neck out in presenting this issue.

Your behavior, by your own addmission, has not been entirely honourable duing this affair. This leads to some people doubting your motives.

Your best course of action would have been to take all you have to Tribeca. If you were then not satisfied with their response then raise the issue on the fora. Tribeca have the means to investigate this fully and deserve the chance to do so. Given the seriousness of your allegations and the fact that they are now splashed all over the internet, I would have thought that Tribeca would be very keen to get to the bottom of this.

AndrewT-

So you are admitting anything short of hand histories on the tribeca server is not going to do it for you? Not much more for me to say if you don't see how illogical this is especially with everything I've presented. BTW it is NOTHING like what you said and now you are just argueing for the sake of argueing.

Wardonkey-

I understand everything you said, and you are right about the affiliate manager part of it. I'd also have to say tribecas major concern is generating rake also. Either way if their account gets snipped... so what? If it doesn't... so what? I'm presenting the facts as they have been presented to me. Take them for what it is worth.

Also if they do get snipped from tribeca because of this OK but that is not my motive. My motive is to enlighten people about the situation and let people know that cheating like this can be done for a long time without getting caught. This could be due to the site not caring or not being secure enough. Warning the community is better than them getting silently snipped, so why does it matter in what order I do it if they CONFESSED? Also he tried colluding with me... I don't need Tribeca to confirm these facts, and they are facts whether there is iron clad proof or not.

Eskabor -  rotflmfao

Admit it, this is a wind up.

No-one could be this much of a fruit loop.

The Tank... what is your goal here?

I think it has strayed from what you said earlier.

It has indeed sir. In this you are correct.

The time of reason and logic has had it's day. I feel as if I've finally gotten to know you over the past few hours, and have flip flopped a final time. In this recommendation I now make, I assure you I am nowt but resolute.

The best thing you can do right now for your cause, is to find a nice bowl, and pour milk over your head.  :D

(http://www.manipulation.com/photos/2004/fruitloops.jpg)

Care to bust the bus out to elaborate or could you handle that?

Edit to your edit: Would you like to elaborate on what made you come to this conclusion. All you did was make a long winded troll post instead of explaining yourself. Even if I was a fruit-loop as you put it, pot meet kettle meet bus meet tank?

I have been following this debate for the last couple of days and feel it has to draw to some conclusion.
I feel from the threads that it is quite fair to say that svindle is not going to ever put forward his hand histories or any such evidence that could prove he was cheating.
He may have cheated, he may not have but if you were so concerned, Eskabor, at the time you had a window of opportunity to gather the proof you needed from the msn transcripts and hand histories while they were doing the alleged cheating but as it is, its sad to say but he and the others have posssibly gotten away with a $2million scam.

You may be able to gain a list of the different nicknames but im fairly sure if they they used multiple nicknames at the time then they wil be able to generate new ones! Unless the site is willing to involve themself and investigate then they have and sadly will continue to be able to cheat.

And as tank says there is a very legitimate reason why they could have multiple names.

It doesnt matter for what reason you have decided to out them but im afraid you might have to drop it as if you wish to go back into poker related business, you have to worry about yourself having a good, honest reputation and not a bitter one due to trying to tarnish somebody else's!

Let it go man!

 Ks KingPoker Ks

 

I have done all I can or care to do. If this has stopped one person from getting cheated by them it was a success. This has become a post targetted against me and nitpicking what people consider "proof". Take everything with a grain of salt if you want. The information is now there.

What kind of cereal is that tank?   Is is good? 

You have essentially alleged a 'crime' has taken place. What do you do when a crime happens? You report it to the police, people who have the authority to gather evidence. In this case, Tribeca are the police. They have the tools and hand histories to be able to fully investigate any collusion. Surely you want them to come out and say 'Yes, we've investigated this and found Eskabor was right'? That would fully vindicate you.


So you admit that the only place there could be cast iron proof is Tribeca's servers. Now, who on earth could have access to all of Tribeca's servers?

*thinks very hard*

I think the long and the short of it is, your accusations would have been better received if you had made them before you went busto !!

Kev, if Eskabor were to provide you with the information that he has would you ask Tribeca to look into this?

That may have helped although it really shouldn't make a difference.

Taking it to Tribeca would show you are more serious about the allegations, as all you have at the moment is a chat log that may or may not be real. As it stands it is hard for anyone to take it seriously given no hard evidence.

Me being busto has nothing to do with this. I've been up and down for the past 2 years of me playing poker and don't come slandering innocent people when I am. Them being cheaters has everything to do with this. Many here have said "only tribeca has solid proof" then ask me to present solid proof. There is enough information here to draw your own conclusions. Anyone can ask for svindle and group to be investiagted WarDonkey so there is no need. Fact remains he admitted cheating to me and has no problem admitting that he has many accounts that end up on the same table together. He also has no problem admitting he doesn't care what happens and he almost seems to be bragging about everything that has happened.

My opinion of this is that i must be a cheat as i have often played cash games and STT's with people i know, more because i play at the same level as them. Does this
A: Mean i'm a cheat (if it does i'm shocked)
B: Mean i'm chip dumping if i lose a hand to them or vice versa them to me.

One of the guys i used to play regularly, had a nasty habit of trying to steal my blind by going all in, sometimes i would call with an appropriate hand which would then show him having raised with 69 os or some such crap, this could be viewed as chip dumping but i for one know i'm in the clear. It does seem to me that there is a clear lack of evidence at the moment Just that they played at the same table does not mean cheating without any proof.

Esky,

Only you seems to be aware of the players and the IDs involved. If you are serious about this, and want to be taken seriously, then you have to give this info to Tribeca for them to investigate.

Also for arguements sake lets just say Tribeca finds them innocent. (For whatever reason, I can think of several reasons why they would and it not be for the purity of the game) All of a sudden am I a liar? Or does that just means the story COULD be false? Well if tribeca finds them guilty they COULD of been wrong. Why is this evidence not proof enough for you and why aren't svindles words enough? You talk about me slandering people... but they are letting themselves get slandered! They won't defend themselves. They know defending themselves will damn them.

Barhell- How about you read everything before you post in here. How about you respond to my quote in the context it was presented.

Wardonkey- I believe they are on my other computer or I can email my old affiliate manager and see if they still have the player ids. Either way Tribeca has ways of tracking it without me having to tell them. I know that tribeca knows all their accounts because support listed them off to svindle in a chat he copy and pasted to me in a msn chat. Also because for every new account you usually have to message support so they can unlock it so you can register a new real money account. To sum it up, tribeca is aware all they have to do is be told there is suspicious activity.

None of this has been shown here so how do we know you have that egg for the omelete?

Berhell once again read all text relating to a topic before you come in here commenting things you haven't even attempted to inform yourself about. Only number 1. hasn't been shown because that chat log is on my other computer. Also that chat log wouldn't convince naysayers anyways so there is no point in getting my fan fixed to get it. People like you want stone cold hand histories to prove it... it just shows how many are ignorant to the subject of colluding.

You still haven't shown any real information just accusations.

I read all the text i just don't see any proof just accusations, by not going to tribeca is the point where i think you let your own arcument down.
What does people like me mean, do you mean someone who doesn't believe something said by someone without being shown any proof, i may be a sceptic but i don't believe in ghosts until i get proof or see one for myself so i don't believe everything that gets posted on the interenet.

Is it just this forum that has this thread?   Do you think the player concerned will know about this thread . I don't know if they are guilty/innocent but they should know about this thread

 ;iagree;

great point

Read the thread.

I think a lot of you are underestimating the subtlety of organised collusion in nl.  It is not about squeezing players in big pots, it is just about depriving them of profitable situations.  A bet lost here and there is enough, but very difficult to prove.

The man has posted a warning - if you're winning in the game fine, but I won't be playing there.

Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
So you purposely lost to me all these years?
Sindre Sturle says:
i got 2 mill us in my account
Eskabor- Need a backer contact if interested. says:
I'm 18, I don't have a family to support  ;goodvevil;

Yes I'm 18.. what does that change? I've given 10,000's in rakeback to my clients. Why would one question my honesty on this subject?

It explains a lot.

Stay in school, don't do drugs.

Explains even more, i got 'em the wrong way round..........

I'm sure it does to you tank. That is not saying much though.

Edit: Why has this post become grounds for you to sit there and nit pick and attack everyword I say with no real ground to stand on? What is your goal... what are you still doing here? If you don't care move on. I'm sure the people who play with them everyday or have that played stakes that high will at hear what I have to say without insulting me in everyother post for coming out with the truth. Seriously... you need to stop trolling this thread. If you disagree and have valid points then fine... but if you want to make personal attacks just PM them to me so they can get trashed.

Eskabor - Can you post the e-mail from the affiliate

I'm reluctant to post it. PM me.

Esk
If you want to save your own reputation after starting this you HAVE to restore your old computer.
You need to post all the screen names you believe to be svindles/Brenns, and you need to provide hand histroies that show multiples of these users playing at the same table. If you can show that you may even convince the tank (the outcome of the hand would be irrelavent).

If you cant do this, or cant get your computer fixed then I wish you luck trying to prove any of this.

I am not saying i dont believe you, I am just saying that if i was in your shoes I would have made damn sure I had all this info to hand before i started posting about it.

OK you may be coming out with the truth but without the will to report it to tribeca it's pointless, why don't you report this directly rather than posting on forums and possibly ruining your own reputation on the poker community. I admire the fact you want to out cheaters(not proved) but i think you are angling at it entirely the wrong way and that is why it is bering thrown back at you. By doing it the way you are it looks like a personal vendetta and a bit of a childish tantrum at times IMO.
I'm sure collusion and cheating exists i have personally reported someone who i saw with two exact profiles and very similar user names in the same MTT, he lost the use of his extra accounts i know this because he went a bit off the rails in the chat on the table i was on, so report it to who can do something about it.

I have asked for an investiagtion. Do you not understand I would still warn people no matter how that investiagtion goes with what I believe to be proof? Without the will to report it is pointless... are you serious? Svindle has cheated no matter what happens in this investiagtion. It will always look like a personal vendetta when someone outs someone they have been somewhat buddy buddy with in the past. Childish? I doubt the people that play those stakes and sometimes get their money chopped due to this will think so.

Also the hosts don't know what they are doing. He kept asking me for proof in a hand history similar to what you guys did. They think it is going to be someone pumping with 72 to get the pot juicy for AA? Are people really that ignorant to high-mid stakes colluding?

"I'm sure collusion and cheating exists i have personally reported someone who i saw with two exact profiles and very similar user names in the same MTT"

LOL! And you don't think all the info infront of you is reason to believe they are cheating when you report on those grounds? Also what do you mean by "someone who can do something about it". Tribeca can ban them then they can pop up with new ips or names or go to a new site. The label of cheater isn't going to leave though and believe it or not there is a world outside of online poker that they will have to face. So I believe this WAS the best angle and not siltently getting them banned from the site.

Either way the investigation is under way (said the incompetent host) so we will see what happens.

What will this prove that anything else already hasn't? He admits to having many accounts that play on the same table.. he just says the cards are never shared. If I do get the list of their screenames I'll have to leave it up to dataminers/regulars in the game to search it though as I don't have that many hands with them while they wre at same table(for obvious reasons). Anyways I know for sure I can get svindles main name, and bos name that ended up playing at the same table... would this be enough?

The only thing svindle is even denying is the card sharing part.. this is why I think you are wrong in saying I need to recover my computer as it doesn't give "iron clad evidence" to that. Anyways we will see what tribeca says about it. BTW they would not give me a list of svindles/brennevins names (SOP).

Its alright for you lot, as a moderator I have to read all this dross !!

In that case lets keep it rolling

Svindle has just admitted it on 2+2. Case closed?

lol,  are you sure that is the real person. It sounds a bit like a joke post to me

It was 'svindle's first post on 2+2....

It does sound like a joke... but he posted many of the same things he did in our private chat that I posted up. It is the same typing style and he also knows information I never revealed to the public (his betonsports name mannafitta and brennevins betonsports name) He knew things other people who weren't close to one of us wouldn't know.

Not surprising... not sure he even knew about 2+2 until I told him about the thread. I told him to come defend himself.
Also he is norweigan so not sure why it is to be expected he would post on english forums often or even ever.

The first post part is relevant as anyone could have registered under the name svindle just to post that...

And how do they have all the information they do?

edit: Like I said sometimes nothing short of DNA evidence or Videotape evidence is good enough for people who don't want to believe something. There is widespread online cheating like this. It should be obvious to the sites.. it is not and I'll let you pick a reason as to why it hasn't been handled.

And how do we know that information is correct?

Are you being serious right now? What part of the information do you have doubts about?

The only person that could of pulled this "joke" Is me or one of svindles boys.

It can be proven it's not me.

edit: or someone I told to do it... but man you are reaching at strings and I don't know why. All the info is infront of you.

I guess unless we know his real name, all he has to do is use another name on a different network and he can do it all over again.  Thats the sad thing about this.  He will be able to do it again and again.

Svindle or Eskabor?

lol .  Isn't Eskabor the name of a South American drug Lord? 

I think Harrison Ford shot him

And thus we have the moral of the story.

Don't grass people up or you'll get shot by a movie star.

Harrison is getting on a bit now, his aim isn't what is was

yawn

LOL

Suggestions for Svindle's new career.....

- Bond Baddie

- Pro Pub Quiz team with me n Rod. (if the accusations are false, we can empathize  ;whistle; )

- Svindle for mod

I don't get it, if i had a pal that was prepared to sit in with me i'd tell him my cards, why not, we are trying to win i dont care if cheating makes me money

i think theres some credability in ths thread ive read every single word.,..,.,.and on 2+2.,..,.,but there has go to  be 100% proof,,.,.,.,i think this goes on atleast 10% of the time on line,.,,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.,...........,,,,,,,,,,.,,,

My reason for pointing this out is because surely it is illegal for an under 18yr old to play (for cash) not to mention the other rakeback affiliations you had going on.

Would I be right in guessing it all went tits up when they found out ur age?

If im not wrong I think I used to play with you for a while on the $1/3 stts on tribeca a while back..I like to watch higher stake tables and saw you progress up the stakes fairly quickly.

By rights you have been totally dishonest by playing underage in the first place.

It seems like you were trying to poach customers (as Wardonkey has mentioned) which is a bannable offence.

You were aware of cheating and didnt report it (for your own financial gain)

And now you are skint you want to OUT them all !!!

I have reported several people in the past who I have suspected of cheating and colluding...first off I call them a cheating bstard in the chat log...let them defend themselves and if i am not happy then i contact manager.

I cant speak for any other network but I know BOS is VERY keen to investigate possible cheats and took my accusations very serious and looked into my complaint. 2 people were banned but the ring leader is still around.

They obviously need positive proof before they can take action which is fair enough.

The point everyone is trying to make is....you have given us no PROOF that this guy and his mates are cheating.

You are saying you are warning people off...I think you have succeeded there as everyone who sits at a table with him will be watching...trouble is...hes not likely to use that name again IF he is a cheat.

I think in whole you have possibly done yourself more damage...I hope not as i am sure your intentions were admirable when you first posted.

You really need to back your story up with more evidence before people can believe.........after all........someone could come on here with counter accusations and say YOU have been cheating....who are we to believe?

I'm done responding to people asking me to prove it. Read the threads. I have nothing else to say on the subject.

Are you saying we should read the thread ??

Why do you keep saying read the thread...WE HAVE READ THE BLOODY THREAD!!!

you done then? cheerio  ;tightend;

When I reported the people I thought were colluding I gave them Hand ID numbers and also sent a chat report when I was "asked" to join a team.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=8727742&an=0&page=1#Post8727742

You keep saying he has admitted it........we have to take your word for it because like i said..you give us no reason to believe.....PROVE IT!!

your attitude towards this has been pathetic. From what I gather, you are an employee of blonde which includes the card-room. To write this off and make snide moronic comments is something that no employee should do if they have an ounce of respect for their position.



I guess what he means is, actually look at the words, rather then concocting fantasies that bear no relation to what has been written


I am privy to a lot of information with regards to this, and if and when it all comes out, the morons that are happy to make snide ill advised idiotic comments are going to look like real fools, although most of them are going to be used to that.

 ;popcorn;

Totalise you know I admire and respect you.

I dont think at anytime I have I have made any slanderous remarks in this thread.

I just dont like how anyone can make those kind of accusations without proof or back up because without it anyone can make the same allegations about you or me...surely you can see that?

His responce to my questions only go to prove hes an arrogant twat.

Perfectly reasonable questions look at the answers I got!!

Hi Suzanne,

your admiration is appreciated.

When I read the chat scripts, I felt that it was almost certain that esko was telling the truth with regards to all of this... and evidence that has fallen into my lap since has only helped prove it.

My main problem in all this was more with regards to the behaviour of certain people in this thread rather then anything else..


this is just a stupid comment

A bit harsh ... And totally uncalled for i think.

For your information, I have alerted the senior management of tribeca of this thread, and they have told me that they are investigating.

Snide moronic comments ? ... Im sorry my comments werent to your taste, but hey, such is life.

Respect for my position ??  I will leave that for others to decide

Of course, you could have PM'd me your thoughts on the matter, and i would have happily answered your concerns.

I feel you have let yourself down with your use of the terms Morons, Moronic, Snide, idiotic, etc..

but we live and learn.

Why is it a stupid comment?

Read what his comments are to my questions...hes doing a Flushy...you are not a relevent player so pss off.

If the same questions had been asked by a pro would he have answered the same?

your comments on the thread to date:

page 5:

"I think the long and the short of it is, your accusations would have been better received if you had made them before you went busto !!"

PAGE 7:

"Its alright for you lot, as a moderator I have to read all this dross !!"

pAGE 8:

some crettin types "yawn".. you type "LOL"

Now if you can tell me with a straight face this is how an employee of a poker site should react when a potentional cllusion team is ringing the highest stakes on the software, I will apologise happliy.. but I am sure you cant, so I wont.

Life is all about opinions, and you are entitled to yours, as i am mine.

Please dont call fellow members of the forum cretins and morons.

as long as you dont act like one, I'll have no reason to call you one

have a nice evening

Like i said, you are entitled to your opinion, would have been nice to discuss it via PM, but obviously that wouldnt suit whatever agenda you are working to.

Kev,

I have no agenda at all

OK

What Eskabor has provided isn't proof of collusion. It might be true but you probably haven't helped yourself by posing this as proof.

As it stands it's kind of circumstantial but the allegations are serious enough to warrant it being investigated.

To me there are a few issues going on at once.

1) People are questioning eskabor's motives for revealing what he knows about svindle and his team. If what he says is true, this doesn't matter much. Stopping collusion is much more important than revealing whether eskabor is trying to benefit the community or lashing out because of jealousy now he's broke or whatever.
 

2) I'm not suprised that this goes on. Generally the only kind of colluders who get caught are incredibly stupid or incredibly complacent (or post about fictional poker playing grannys on world wide fora.) I've seen many examples of obvious collusion in the 3 years or so I've been playing poker online, but no one has ever been banned as a result of my complaints.

Any intelligent collusion is very difficult to spot. Playing high stakes, these players are likely to be intelligent and as such, it would not be suprising if eskabor were not able to provide incontrovertible proof of this going on as they would not be making obvious moves, merely increasing their edge through shared information and subtle manipulation of pot sizes. Equally svinder is not going to come out and incriminate himself in a chat that he knows is being recorded either.

The 2+2 post seems like a hoax, but if it is him he's got some brass balls.

What seems to me more disturbing is the insinuation that the network are turning a blind eye to this. I guess again this should not be suprising as it is not in the network's short term interest to  highlight some of their big rake generators' collusion publicly, both because it may kill their big games and the bad publicity could have a knock on effect. Ultimately though, collusion could destroy online poker if ignored and unchecked so they should consider that.

3) Totalise, I think you're a bit harsh on Kev. He always posts in a jovial manner, that's his way, and is why he's a popular if tubby lad. Of course it is a serious issue but it's good to lighten the tone of even the most serious debate at times.

4) Eskabor, for what it's worth here's some advice for you. If you post something like this again, take some counsel from your friends before you post it up on big public fora. Make sure you know what your aiming to do, and that your evidence is clearly laid out as best you can. If you don't have great evidence, it's probably best not to back yourself in a corner, saying "I can prove it", when even though u may know it's true yourself, you can't really demonstrate this to a neutral observer. Poker players are prone to bullshitting so naturally you won't be considered credible without better proof than that which you have provided.

You seem like a nice guy. You're 18 and have lots of time ahead of you. Don't get overly stressed out by the situation, or get too upset by people's negative reaction. This was always going to be the case. I hope you get your poker career back on the tracks. Good luck.

I hope that tribeca do investigate these allegations and report back to the poker community/ their customers with their findings but based on previous experience i doubt this will happen. Go on, suprise me beeutches.

Thank you for looking at it from a logical unbias point of view. I was talking to svindle while he posted on 2+2 it is not a hoax and I believe Totalise can confirm this. Svindle has publically admitted it

As far as me saying I CAN prove it. I believe I had enough information to prove it (svindle obviously thought so to thats why he admitted it as he had nothing to lose). One mans proof is another mans "maybe" though.

Svindle posting on 2+2 is 100% the same Svindle tha esko is accusing, that is a guarantee, so consequently whatver he is saying can only corroborate the "dross" (that right Kev?) that Esko was accusing him of

If that's the case then he's admitted it and it's out in the open.

Next step is, what action is the network going to take against him(and his team)? If none other than banning his accounts ( surely the minimum sanction) then several things spring to mind.

1) Were they aware of this? I wouldn't expect them to admit to this.

2) Will they be investigating svindle's and associated accounts' play retrospectively to identify where collusion took place and (heaven forbid) compensating players who have been "svindled"?

3) How will they improve their collusion detection methods to protect against this type of fraud?

they will never admit this, if you send them an email, all they will do is respond and give yu advice on password protection


its the age old problem, why the hell should sites have to be reactive with regards to collusion rather then proactive? I cant imagine its rocket science to get some programs writen to help eliminate this. I sent an email 6 days ago to tribeca about a button bot on tribeca  account name "kingside".. just auto joins tables, plays a free hand, then leaves. No response, its still operating. Standard.


they already approve of multi accounting in MTT's, as shown in a chat i pasted a while ago.. the best you can do it wait til tribeca closes completely and hope that the next site blonde move to isn't as corrupt.

Anyways, I always get overly annoyed in threads like these, so I wont be responding again.

I've just reread both this and the 2+2 thread.

I now have to say that if that is svindle posting, which it looks like it is, he's dropped another bombshell talking about vikingbet poker.

The only other thing that still worries me slightly is Eskabars own involvement in this episode.

how so?

Were they signed through you for rakeback?

Yes.

How do you play a free hand? You have to post to sit in?

You wait till a new game starts shorthanded and you get the button.

oh yeah.
D'oh !

Too early in the morning

For those of us who weren't privy to extra information it was hard to know this.

All I can say is wow, he's made some pretty big allegations there himself now...

who is svindle???expose him?????it is only fair if he has admited it now.,.,.,..

After my earlier post i remebered i have played against svindle. Dont think it was cash tho. May have been a tourney and he stood out as a good player to me! Doesnt mean he's not a dirty stinking cheat though!!!  ;ifm;

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