Tribeca NL players

[suzanne]

His responce to my questions only go to prove hes an arrogant twat.

Perfectly reasonable questions look at the answers I got!!

[totalise]

Totalise you know I admire and respect you.

I dont think at anytime I have I have made any slanderous remarks in this thread.

I just dont like how anyone can make those kind of accusations without proof or back up because without it anyone can make the same allegations about you or me...surely you can see that?

Hi Suzanne,

your admiration is appreciated.

When I read the chat scripts, I felt that it was almost certain that esko was telling the truth with regards to all of this... and evidence that has fallen into my lap since has only helped prove it.

My main problem in all this was more with regards to the behaviour of certain people in this thread rather then anything else..

His responce to my questions only go to prove hes an arrogant twat.

this is just a stupid comment

[Colchester Kev]

Are you saying we should read the thread ??

your attitude towards this has been pathetic. From what I gather, you are an employee of blonde which includes the card-room. To write this off and make snide moronic comments is something that no employee should do if they have an ounce of respect for their position.

A bit harsh ... And totally uncalled for i think.

For your information, I have alerted the senior management of tribeca of this thread, and they have told me that they are investigating.

Snide moronic comments ? ... Im sorry my comments werent to your taste, but hey, such is life.

Respect for my position ??  I will leave that for others to decide

Of course, you could have PM'd me your thoughts on the matter, and i would have happily answered your concerns.

I feel you have let yourself down with your use of the terms Morons, Moronic, Snide, idiotic, etc..

but we live and learn.

[suzanne]

Totalise you know I admire and respect you.

I dont think at anytime I have I have made any slanderous remarks in this thread.

I just dont like how anyone can make those kind of accusations without proof or back up because without it anyone can make the same allegations about you or me...surely you can see that?

Hi Suzanne,

your admiration is appreciated.

When I read the chat scripts, I felt that it was almost certain that esko was telling the truth with regards to all of this... and evidence that has fallen into my lap since has only helped prove it.

My main problem in all this was more with regards to the behaviour of certain people in this thread rather then anything else..

His responce to my questions only go to prove hes an arrogant twat.

this is just a stupid comment

Why is it a stupid comment?

Read what his comments are to my questions...hes doing a Flushy...you are not a relevent player so pss off.

If the same questions had been asked by a pro would he have answered the same?

[totalise]

Are you saying we should read the thread ??

your attitude towards this has been pathetic. From what I gather, you are an employee of blonde which includes the card-room. To write this off and make snide moronic comments is something that no employee should do if they have an ounce of respect for their position.

A bit harsh ... And totally uncalled for i think.

For your information, I have alerted the senior management of tribeca of this thread, and they have told me that they are investigating.

Snide moronic comments ? ... Im sorry my comments werent to your taste, but hey, such is life.

Respect for my position ??  I will leave that for others to decide

Of course, you could have PM'd me your thoughts on the matter, and i would have happily answered your concerns.

I feel you have let yourself down with your use of the terms Morons, Moronic, Snide, idiotic, etc..

but we live and learn.

your comments on the thread to date:

page 5:

"I think the long and the short of it is, your accusations would have been better received if you had made them before you went busto !!"

PAGE 7:

"Its alright for you lot, as a moderator I have to read all this dross !!"

pAGE 8:

some crettin types "yawn".. you type "LOL"

Now if you can tell me with a straight face this is how an employee of a poker site should react when a potentional cllusion team is ringing the highest stakes on the software, I will apologise happliy.. but I am sure you cant, so I wont.

[Colchester Kev]

Are you saying we should read the thread ??

your attitude towards this has been pathetic. From what I gather, you are an employee of blonde which includes the card-room. To write this off and make snide moronic comments is something that no employee should do if they have an ounce of respect for their position.

A bit harsh ... And totally uncalled for i think.

For your information, I have alerted the senior management of tribeca of this thread, and they have told me that they are investigating.

Snide moronic comments ? ... Im sorry my comments werent to your taste, but hey, such is life.

Respect for my position ??  I will leave that for others to decide

Of course, you could have PM'd me your thoughts on the matter, and i would have happily answered your concerns.

I feel you have let yourself down with your use of the terms Morons, Moronic, Snide, idiotic, etc..

but we live and learn.

your comments on the thread to date:

page 5:

"I think the long and the short of it is, your accusations would have been better received if you had made them before you went busto !!"

PAGE 7:

"Its alright for you lot, as a moderator I have to read all this dross !!"

pAGE 8:

some crettin types "yawn".. you type "LOL"

Now if you can tell me with a straight face this is how an employee of a poker site should react when a potentional cllusion team is ringing the highest stakes on the software, I will apologise happliy.. but I am sure you cant, so I wont.

Life is all about opinions, and you are entitled to yours, as i am mine.

Please dont call fellow members of the forum cretins and morons.

[totalise]

Are you saying we should read the thread ??

your attitude towards this has been pathetic. From what I gather, you are an employee of blonde which includes the card-room. To write this off and make snide moronic comments is something that no employee should do if they have an ounce of respect for their position.

A bit harsh ... And totally uncalled for i think.

For your information, I have alerted the senior management of tribeca of this thread, and they have told me that they are investigating.

Snide moronic comments ? ... Im sorry my comments werent to your taste, but hey, such is life.

Respect for my position ??  I will leave that for others to decide

Of course, you could have PM'd me your thoughts on the matter, and i would have happily answered your concerns.

I feel you have let yourself down with your use of the terms Morons, Moronic, Snide, idiotic, etc..

but we live and learn.

your comments on the thread to date:

page 5:

"I think the long and the short of it is, your accusations would have been better received if you had made them before you went busto !!"

PAGE 7:

"Its alright for you lot, as a moderator I have to read all this dross !!"

pAGE 8:

some crettin types "yawn".. you type "LOL"

Now if you can tell me with a straight face this is how an employee of a poker site should react when a potentional cllusion team is ringing the highest stakes on the software, I will apologise happliy.. but I am sure you cant, so I wont.

Life is all about opinions, and you are entitled to yours, as i am mine.

Please dont call fellow members of the forum cretins and morons.

as long as you dont act like one, I'll have no reason to call you one

have a nice evening

[Colchester Kev]

Like i said, you are entitled to your opinion, would have been nice to discuss it via PM, but obviously that wouldnt suit whatever agenda you are working to.

[totalise]

Like i said, you are entitled to your opinion, would have been nice to discuss it via PM, but obviously that wouldnt suit whatever agenda you are working to.

Kev,

I have no agenda at all

[Colchester Kev]

Like i said, you are entitled to your opinion, would have been nice to discuss it via PM, but obviously that wouldnt suit whatever agenda you are working to.

Kev,

I have no agenda at all

OK

[JungleCat03]

What Eskabor has provided isn't proof of collusion. It might be true but you probably haven't helped yourself by posing this as proof.

As it stands it's kind of circumstantial but the allegations are serious enough to warrant it being investigated.

To me there are a few issues going on at once.

1) People are questioning eskabor's motives for revealing what he knows about svindle and his team. If what he says is true, this doesn't matter much. Stopping collusion is much more important than revealing whether eskabor is trying to benefit the community or lashing out because of jealousy now he's broke or whatever.
 

2) I'm not suprised that this goes on. Generally the only kind of colluders who get caught are incredibly stupid or incredibly complacent (or post about fictional poker playing grannys on world wide fora.) I've seen many examples of obvious collusion in the 3 years or so I've been playing poker online, but no one has ever been banned as a result of my complaints.

Any intelligent collusion is very difficult to spot. Playing high stakes, these players are likely to be intelligent and as such, it would not be suprising if eskabor were not able to provide incontrovertible proof of this going on as they would not be making obvious moves, merely increasing their edge through shared information and subtle manipulation of pot sizes. Equally svinder is not going to come out and incriminate himself in a chat that he knows is being recorded either.

The 2+2 post seems like a hoax, but if it is him he's got some brass balls.

What seems to me more disturbing is the insinuation that the network are turning a blind eye to this. I guess again this should not be suprising as it is not in the network's short term interest to  highlight some of their big rake generators' collusion publicly, both because it may kill their big games and the bad publicity could have a knock on effect. Ultimately though, collusion could destroy online poker if ignored and unchecked so they should consider that.

3) Totalise, I think you're a bit harsh on Kev. He always posts in a jovial manner, that's his way, and is why he's a popular if tubby lad. Of course it is a serious issue but it's good to lighten the tone of even the most serious debate at times.

4) Eskabor, for what it's worth here's some advice for you. If you post something like this again, take some counsel from your friends before you post it up on big public fora. Make sure you know what your aiming to do, and that your evidence is clearly laid out as best you can. If you don't have great evidence, it's probably best not to back yourself in a corner, saying "I can prove it", when even though u may know it's true yourself, you can't really demonstrate this to a neutral observer. Poker players are prone to bullshitting so naturally you won't be considered credible without better proof than that which you have provided.

You seem like a nice guy. You're 18 and have lots of time ahead of you. Don't get overly stressed out by the situation, or get too upset by people's negative reaction. This was always going to be the case. I hope you get your poker career back on the tracks. Good luck.

I hope that tribeca do investigate these allegations and report back to the poker community/ their customers with their findings but based on previous experience i doubt this will happen. Go on, suprise me beeutches.

[Eskabor]

Thank you for looking at it from a logical unbias point of view. I was talking to svindle while he posted on 2+2 it is not a hoax and I believe Totalise can confirm this. Svindle has publically admitted it

As far as me saying I CAN prove it. I believe I had enough information to prove it (svindle obviously thought so to thats why he admitted it as he had nothing to lose). One mans proof is another mans "maybe" though.

[totalise]

Svindle posting on 2+2 is 100% the same Svindle tha esko is accusing, that is a guarantee, so consequently whatver he is saying can only corroborate the "dross" (that right Kev?) that Esko was accusing him of

[JungleCat03]

Svindle posting on 2+2 is 100% the same Svindle tha esko is accusing, that is a guarantee, so consequently whatver he is saying can only corroborate the "dross" (that right Kev?) that Esko was accusing him of

If that's the case then he's admitted it and it's out in the open.

Next step is, what action is the network going to take against him(and his team)? If none other than banning his accounts ( surely the minimum sanction) then several things spring to mind.

1) Were they aware of this? I wouldn't expect them to admit to this.

2) Will they be investigating svindle's and associated accounts' play retrospectively to identify where collusion took place and (heaven forbid) compensating players who have been "svindled"?

3) How will they improve their collusion detection methods to protect against this type of fraud?

[totalise]

1) Were they aware of this? I wouldn't expect them to admit to this.

they will never admit this, if you send them an email, all they will do is respond and give yu advice on password protection

2) Will they be investigating svindle's and associated accounts' play retrospectively to identify where collusion took place and (heaven forbid) compensating players who have been "svindled"?

its the age old problem, why the hell should sites have to be reactive with regards to collusion rather then proactive? I cant imagine its rocket science to get some programs writen to help eliminate this. I sent an email 6 days ago to tribeca about a button bot on tribeca  account name "kingside".. just auto joins tables, plays a free hand, then leaves. No response, its still operating. Standard.

3) How will they improve their collusion detection methods to protect against this type of fraud?

they already approve of multi accounting in MTT's, as shown in a chat i pasted a while ago.. the best you can do it wait til tribeca closes completely and hope that the next site blonde move to isn't as corrupt.

Anyways, I always get overly annoyed in threads like these, so I wont be responding again.