Tribeca NL players

[Eskabor]

Wardonkey,

Yes but like I said.. proof is only going to be more saved chat logs of him admitting it and a list of his screenames. I don't see there being this tangible cast iron proof of this unless you have access to all of tribecas servers.

No I didn't talk to tribeca and I have no plans to. After being informed to drop it from an affiliate manager, after the cheating being obvious and wide spread on many accounts, after him admitting it to me... I saw a failure in Tribeca. I have no need to present them with the proof I am presenting you guys with, tribeca doesn't care anything about this and anyone could put them under investigation not just me. I am simply providing the communities with my knowledge of it all. Take it how you will.

But I will defend my word and not be called a liar/other things I have been called as a result of this. Also I'm here to clear up anything someone may not understand so the information is logical. If someone admitted cheating to you, wouldn't this course of action be correct? No matter how the site rules especially after their negligence?

[AndrewT]

Svindle admitting it to me is not an Egg? - Evidence? No.

A hand history of them playing together is not an Egg? - Playing with someone you know is not against the rules.

Them living in the same house is not an Egg? - Neither is this.

The way svindle is refusing to handle it is not an Egg? - The onus is on you to prove things - him refusing to prove the opposite is not evidence.

I can understand your frustration - you genuinely believe them to be cheats. But you do need actual evidence - this is what the poker room will be able to provide. If you report your suspicions to the poker network then they should investigate all hand histories and will be able to ascertain guilt.

I've just read your last post and seen you haven't even reported all this to Tribeca.

I have no need to present them with the proof I am presenting you guys with

You haven't got any proof - you only have accusations. They have the proof (all the hand histories). Your refusal to actually ask them about it because you don't need it is like me telling all my friends that Scarlett Johansson loves me but, once all my friends say 'prove it', not actually asking her if that's true because I 'don't need that proof'.

PS - the fact that I know Scarlett does actually love me is irrelevant.

[MadYank]

Scandanavians cheat?

Who would have thunk it?.

[Wardonkey]

You have not been to Tribaca at all.

No formal investigation has been carried out.

Affiliate managers do not represent Tribeca they are more concerned with generating rake for their skins and themselves.

No-one here has called you a liar.

I appreciate that you have stuck your neck out in presenting this issue.

Your behavior, by your own addmission, has not been entirely honourable duing this affair. This leads to some people doubting your motives.

Your best course of action would have been to take all you have to Tribeca. If you were then not satisfied with their response then raise the issue on the fora. Tribeca have the means to investigate this fully and deserve the chance to do so. Given the seriousness of your allegations and the fact that they are now splashed all over the internet, I would have thought that Tribeca would be very keen to get to the bottom of this.

[Eskabor]

AndrewT-

So you are admitting anything short of hand histories on the tribeca server is not going to do it for you? Not much more for me to say if you don't see how illogical this is especially with everything I've presented. BTW it is NOTHING like what you said and now you are just argueing for the sake of argueing.

Wardonkey-

I understand everything you said, and you are right about the affiliate manager part of it. I'd also have to say tribecas major concern is generating rake also. Either way if their account gets snipped... so what? If it doesn't... so what? I'm presenting the facts as they have been presented to me. Take them for what it is worth.

Also if they do get snipped from tribeca because of this OK but that is not my motive. My motive is to enlighten people about the situation and let people know that cheating like this can be done for a long time without getting caught. This could be due to the site not caring or not being secure enough. Warning the community is better than them getting silently snipped, so why does it matter in what order I do it if they CONFESSED? Also he tried colluding with me... I don't need Tribeca to confirm these facts, and they are facts whether there is iron clad proof or not.

[thetank]

Eskabor - 

Admit it, this is a wind up.

No-one could be this much of a fruit loop.

[Eskabor]

The Tank... what is your goal here?

I think it has strayed from what you said earlier.

[thetank]

It has indeed sir. In this you are correct.

The time of reason and logic has had it's day. I feel as if I've finally gotten to know you over the past few hours, and have flip flopped a final time. In this recommendation I now make, I assure you I am nowt but resolute.

The best thing you can do right now for your cause, is to find a nice bowl, and pour milk over your head. 

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[Eskabor]

Care to bust the bus out to elaborate or could you handle that?

Edit to your edit: Would you like to elaborate on what made you come to this conclusion. All you did was make a long winded troll post instead of explaining yourself. Even if I was a fruit-loop as you put it, pot meet kettle meet bus meet tank?

[KingPoker]

I have been following this debate for the last couple of days and feel it has to draw to some conclusion.
I feel from the threads that it is quite fair to say that svindle is not going to ever put forward his hand histories or any such evidence that could prove he was cheating.
He may have cheated, he may not have but if you were so concerned, Eskabor, at the time you had a window of opportunity to gather the proof you needed from the msn transcripts and hand histories while they were doing the alleged cheating but as it is, its sad to say but he and the others have posssibly gotten away with a $2million scam.

You may be able to gain a list of the different nicknames but im fairly sure if they they used multiple nicknames at the time then they wil be able to generate new ones! Unless the site is willing to involve themself and investigate then they have and sadly will continue to be able to cheat.

And as tank says there is a very legitimate reason why they could have multiple names.

It doesnt matter for what reason you have decided to out them but im afraid you might have to drop it as if you wish to go back into poker related business, you have to worry about yourself having a good, honest reputation and not a bitter one due to trying to tarnish somebody else's!

Let it go man!

  KingPoker

 

[Eskabor]

I have done all I can or care to do. If this has stopped one person from getting cheated by them it was a success. This has become a post targetted against me and nitpicking what people consider "proof". Take everything with a grain of salt if you want. The information is now there.

[Sark79]

It has indeed sir. In this you are correct.

The time of reason and logic has had it's day. I feel as if I've finally gotten to know you over the past few hours, and have flip flopped a final time. In this recommendation I now make, I assure you I am nowt but resolute.

The best thing you can do right now for your cause, is to find a nice bowl, and pour milk over your head. 

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What kind of cereal is that tank?   Is is good? 

[AndrewT]

AndrewT-

So you are admitting anything short of hand histories on the tribeca server is not going to do it for you? Not much more for me to say if you don't see how illogical this is especially with everything I've presented. BTW it is NOTHING like what you said and now you are just argueing for the sake of argueing.

You have essentially alleged a 'crime' has taken place. What do you do when a crime happens? You report it to the police, people who have the authority to gather evidence. In this case, Tribeca are the police. They have the tools and hand histories to be able to fully investigate any collusion. Surely you want them to come out and say 'Yes, we've investigated this and found Eskabor was right'? That would fully vindicate you.

Yes but like I said.. proof is only going to be more saved chat logs of him admitting it and a list of his screenames. I don't see there being this tangible cast iron proof of this unless you have access to all of tribecas servers.

So you admit that the only place there could be cast iron proof is Tribeca's servers. Now, who on earth could have access to all of Tribeca's servers?

*thinks very hard*

[Colchester Kev]

I think the long and the short of it is, your accusations would have been better received if you had made them before you went busto !!

[Wardonkey]

Kev, if Eskabor were to provide you with the information that he has would you ask Tribeca to look into this?