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Tonight I experienced something that not only shocked me, but upset me at the same a time, not because of what I witnessed, but the unexpected way in which I handled that specific situation.

On returning from Copenhagen, Dana informed me her that her friend was staging a little meal in which a few of their close friends would wine and dine in celebration of his 27th.

Although I was pretty fatigued and didn’t fancy a night of socialising with a dozen people I didn’t know, I thought I’d accompany my girlfriend and try to have a good time.

The birthday boy, Jack, is gay. A friend from their university days, Jack came out whilst studying, and has never encountered friction for that confession from the likes of Dana and Jen.

Personally, although I have never really met a gay guy, I considered myself to have no inhibitions on the matter and would have no problem treating him the same as I would anyone else.

His work colleague, however, was grotesquely camp. Singing boy band songs, clapping like a seal, calling people honey, etc, his vivid campness was enough to make him one of the most annoying people I’d met, and, to my dismay, I was forced to sit next to him for the entire meal.

Don’t get me wrong, he was probably a nice enough guy, and I have absolutely nothing against homosexuality, but I just find campness horrifyingly infuriating. Perhaps I’m wrong, but to me, it’s just a desperate cry out for attention, and I can’t stand it.

However, this didn’t really bother me too much. He may have stuck his fork in my food without permission and constantly brought up various cringe-worthy sexual innuendos, but I’m a tolerant man, so I just tried to be nice, pleasant and sociable and hope that I’d be departing soon.

Anyhow, this wasn’t my main beef. On leaving the restaurant, I agreed, mainly for the sake of Dana, to go for a quick drink before making tracks. Unfortunately for me, I failed to realise that this agreement would involve a venture into a gay club, effectively entitled G.A.Y.

Slightly unaware of what I was getting myself into, I said to myself, “It’s just a club, what harm can it do, I’ll only be there for an hour or two” and proceeded to enter the establishment. However, my confidence would soon be shattered when the reality of the gay scene set in…

Met with gay posters, exceedingly camp music, transvestites, men in tight vests and so on, I soon realised that adjusting to my new surroundings would be harder than I first thought. I immediately felt vastly uncomfortable, and although reminded that ‘there are a few girls here too’ ‘you just have to let you inhibitions go’ and ‘it’s just like a normal club but with gay people’, I simply couldn’t get used to the idea I was in a gay club. Even with my fuchsia shoes, which now DID feel pink, I felt so out of place it was unbelievable.

I swiftly found the first seat I could and quietly sat in the corner, somewhat frozen as I watched the place gets busier and busier. Gyrating asses, gay guys swinging their hips to Stayin’ Alive, blokes in blonde wigs rubbing other blokes’ chests, groups of vested boys in ultra tight jeans boys lurking around the bar – it was all a little too much for me, and I didn’t like it, not one bit.

Jen and Dana made fun of me a little, but to me this was a severely discomforting experience, and after about 15 minutes of willing each second away, I decided that I simply couldn’t stay there any longer and requested to leave. I took the keys off Jen, said my goodbyes, and made, what I then considered to be, a gauntlet run towards the exit.

Now, I know this all sounds like I’m a total git, a complete gay basher, or whatever, but that’s just the way it was. I have no problems in confessing that it was a horrible experience, and the mere thought of being back in that room scares the living daylights out of me.

What I do have a problem with, however, is the fact that I considered myself to be a nice person. I am not a racist, I am not discriminative against people, and I certainly never believed myself to be a hompophobe, but unfortunately, I guess I am.

The surprising thing is that I have no qualms regarding the practice of homosexuality. I don’t partake in it myself, but, as an atheist, I believe that you are what you are, and if you are gay then so be it. It’s not a choice or a slight on your social upbringing, but a mere fact that you were born different to the majority. This is my opinion, and I stick to it. I hate it when atheists quote the bible, speak ignorantly on the subject or simply attack this particular segment of society without any justified provocation, but that’s what they do, and unfairly so.

This still doesn’t deter from the fact that I reacted poorly and in a manner that was unjustified. Living in the Midlands, I was never brought up among homosexuals, and, Jack is probably the first one I’ve ever met. In Solihull, I don’t believe there are any gay bars or clubs, and if there were, I am sure they’d have bricks through the windows in seconds.

London is a cosmopolitan city with a wider slice of society represented and, more to the point, accepted. It’s the norm for there to be gay clubs and bars, but not from where I come from. Therefore, I felt totally out of place.

I’ve never been around gay people. I came from playing football, to drinking with the lads at uni, to playing poker at the casino. The gay scene is not something I’m aware of, and to find myself in such a starkly differing arena, was ultimately rather overwhelming. Simply sitting in a gay club was a complete culture shock.

The bottom line, however, is that whatever the reason is that I felt I had to leave, it is saddening that I did indeed do so, especially when I don’t consider my self to be a pregadiced person. But, having said that, that is probably what I am, as if wasn’t discriminative, then I would have treated the people within the establishment as I would any other normal human being and happily remained in the club. The fact that I didn’t is a slight on my character and suggests that I am not as secure as I first thought…

Just because u didnt get any that night.......

Being your first time in that environment, I think it's a little early to say "homophobe".

I'm sure if all the people in the club were dressed like your footballing buddies and acted like them too you would have been fine.

Give yourself time mate. You're trying very hard not to judge others - how about not judging yourself yet?

I have absolutely nothing against gays either Snoop, but I would feel uncomfortable around a group of ott/camp ones.

Have you ever been amongst a group of women out on a hen night? I have! I've got  nothing against women, (no pun intended) but they scared the crap out of me!

I reckon you coulda done more than 15 minutes before leaving in a huff.

As life unfolds, you'll have to spend a fair bit of time in more places that arn't your cup of tea. Oftentimes for the sake of the good lady.

No pun intended, but was there not a fruit machine or something you could have played?

WOW,

G.A.Y - is an interesting place for first- time goers...,

especially when you go there when:

Good point.

Individual people react differently when tired etc to different situations that they may not be used to. Snoops you left, even though you went under duress anyway, I'm really not sure you should beat yourself up too much over it.

If you do ever go again you may see things differently.

Perhaps go to Balans 1st - as a warm up.  great food and is pretty mixed:)

What shoes were you wearing?  :D

(http://www.publispain.com/snoopy/imagenes/image016.gif)

I like a man with purple booties

(I'm done with the Snoopy-Gay jokes now, think this is supposed to be a serious thread.)

I might agree with you here Mrslime

I wonder what Flushys take on this subject is

I'm not sure I agree that it's the same thing, but I take your point.

Unlike Mrs Lime, I can sometimes be guilty of posting without taking the feelings of others into consideration.

I apologise unreservedly. I will edit my post.

Flushy is writing new lessons on poker:)


Red-Dog- nice 1

I wondered how long it would be before he got dragged into it...

what was your bet?

I was going for a max of 5 posts, I'll have to remember the time of night in future lol

LOL, it is late, you need to get your beauty sleep:)

I heard they couldnt drag him out of it ;)

I've been in gay clubs and had a great time.
I've been in gay clubs and had a shit time.

From what you've said, you were tired and not really in the mood. In a regular club where the music was not to your tastes, you probably would have wanted to leave too.

It's not as if you were clutching the hand of yer missus the whole time, trying to make eye contact with the entire room so that you could explain with your pupils and a sideways nod of the head that "she's with me." It's not as if every time you used the restroom you were genuinely concerned for the safety of your bottom, and it's not as if you felt violated and abused every time someone glanced in your general direction.

I'd dislike being in an R n' B club if I was tired, not really my scene. The club happens to be full of black folk, my wanting to leave doesn't make me a racist.

So unless Kylie Minogue and Tina Turner are your favourite artists normally. as Baron says, don't be too harsh.

You missed out on Abba tank ;)

I was joking BTW,I know Flushy wouldnt have it in him to be gay

you've been twice!!!!!

Good post Tank.

Snoopy you were tired and not in the mood, chances are you would of felt the same where ever you went.

No, I would have been quite happy down the poker.  :)

Wouldn't beat yourself up because you felt uncomfotable, most would I would imagaine.

The witnesses when I got married the 2nd time in the Dominican Republic where 2 guys there on their honeymoon who my ex got chatting to by the pool. Both were from Blackpool and it was probably the first time I had ever socialised with someone whos lifestyle is different to mine. I didn't feel at all threatened but when we came home we met them again in Blackpool for a night out and they were with friends, one was as camp as you like and made sure I felt really uncomfortable by doing exactly what you described earlier- it doesn't mean I am a homophobe because I felt awkward, it just means this guy was being a deliberatley annoying ****. It was almost as if because I was the only straight guy there he had to make me suffer, reverse discrimination if you like. There were also lots of female couples on the night out and it wasn't as sexy as I expected- not like in the movies unfortunately.

As another poster said though if you weren't in the mood for a night out you wouldn't have enjoyed it no matter what. If you are really worried about being a homophone just ask yourself a few simple questions, are you really offended by their lifestyle choice? DO you think its wrong for them to live that way? If a friend of many years told you he was gay would you stop being his mate? would you refuse to sit and play poker with flushy for instance (when he does finally reveal gingers real name is bob)?

like tank I have had good nights out in gay clubs and bad nights out in gay clubs (in manchester you had to go to the gay district after 2am to carry on partying). The one thing I didnt enjoy about gay clubs is that it is even harder to pull as most women in there prefer women- last thing I need is for them to have an excuse before I've even made a fool of myself lol.

Been a lot more than that.

Flatmate for a year and a half was gay, went dozens of times with him and his pals. Learned that not all fag hags are munting.
Went when on a management course "for a laff", with a few straight woman attending same. Turned out to be a masterstroke, they wanted some midweek course nosh, and erm, didn't have much choice.
My cousin is gay.
Dated a silly teenager, she thought it would be funny to take me to one, so she could seem all big and clever...very good love.

Plus...I love Kylie. :)

Oh my god, I always wondered who the straight guys harassing me at Heaven were!

I would like to say a big Thank You to Smoopy for coming along to what I thought was going to be a quiet Monday night post-supper drink at a nice bar in Soho but actually turned out to be an old-fashioned authentic Jack Night Out. I have to say I had a lovely time, there was cheap Jack Daniels and lots of Jackson 5 to dance to, but I can see how the clientele could freak one out some, if one were a nice boy from Solihull. Oh, and Jen got chatted up by a transvestite called Tim.  :)

Dana can you ask the gay-basher if he is still coming to Brighton this week........there may be a mob waiting for him

I don't think he's coming down to Brighton, so you can tell them to put their pitchforks away.

And actually I take back all the nice things I said in my last post since Smoopy said that women are rubbish at everything.

What about Jen, will she be gracing Brighton with her presence? I could just ask her of course but i am lazy.

She says maybe, depending on how she feels tomorrow.

Tim can't make it.

Tiny Tim or Big Tim?

Transvestite Tim

Going to one of the biggest Gay clubs for the first time would make most straight men feel uncomfortable and it doesn't mean your predajice.
Unless there is more of a underlying issue here, perhaps it stirred some feelings within you that you didn't like, a side of you that you've been keeping locked away.
Purchasing those pink trainers may be you subconsciously trying to introduce this side of your personality and going to the gay club was the next step.
All I can say is don't fight it snoopy, just let out the real you.
I know the manager of the Barley Mow, if you like I'll have a word with him and have him put on a special night for you next time your back in Solihull.

(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:GbseU6v0fErTdM:http://www.geocities.co.jp/SilkRoad-Lake/4352/snoopy/gay.jpg)

So, in essence, Snoopy went along with some friends to a place he wouldn't normally go to, because he didn't think it was his kind of thing. As it turned out, it wasn't, and he didn't have a good time, so he left.

There really is nothing to see here.

In my younger days I used to get dragged round Topshop and Miss Selfridge on a Saturday afternoon. I'd have much rather been in Dixons and got a bit bored, but I didn't feel guilty about not being able to fully embrace the experience and lifestyle of being a young woman. I didn't feel the need to state to people 'I don't hate young women - I'm not a misogynist'.

Snoops, no need for the soul-searching mate, you were thrown into an unfamiliar environment & got a bit freaked, that doesn't make you a bad guy.

The first time I was taken into a gay bar (at a leaving do for my mate & his missus), I was taken into this new club, which was in a basement in Liverpool.

• Walls made to look like it was a cave, but painted pink (didn't suspect a thing),  
• Baskets on the bar which I thought contained munchies - contained extra strength condoms (still didn't suspect a thing),
• Barman in leather trousers, vest and leather waistcoat, (is it fancy dress in here?),
• Everyone else in couples, all same sex (Nope, still not got it - What can I say I was a wee innocent country boy),
• Sitting at the table & continuing talking about football with a guy from the group I'd not met... he's drinking a can of lager labeled GP. When asked he said it was Gay Pride - the penny dropped.

I started feeling rather uncomfortable, couldn't settle and left about 3/4 of an hour later (only having stayed because I refused to show how spooked I was - everybody of course knew how spooked I was).

I did the whole soul searching, am I a bigot thing, but since then I've been fine in the company of gay people & have gone to clubs with gay and straight mates & not had a problem (too ugly for gay men I think). I just freaked in a situation I wasn't expecting and wasn't prepared for.

Snoops you're being way too hard on yourself.

I hate camp people. I just dislike the living crap out of them.
In the same way I hate loud people or people who always jump up and down and are screaming for attention.
I also dislike gay comedians who tell nothing but "I like C*ck" jokes (Graham Norton is a prime example of this) and think everybody is soo shocked because they are gay.

This doesn't mean I hate gay people....It just means I don't like certain people. I don't like the gay stereo-type which, for some reason which is beyond my comprehension, quite a few gay people in the UK seem to adhere to.
In Holland being gay is not a big deal. (you haven't been to a dodgy pub untill you've been to the Cockring in the warmoesstraat) I don't care who sleeps with who. I think gay guys making out out in the pub is just as unnecesary as a straight couple doing it. I have the same problems with overtly camp "Oh, Im just love to shock people by acting outraguous" men as I have with the "I sleep with 25 women a week, look at me I'm a  stud" straight guy. I think they're both prats.

I also dislike loud music and Kylie and don't particularly enjoy seeing a man wearing spandex or leather.
To be honest, I also don't think most women should wear spandex or leather...though some should :)

This all doesn't make me a homophobe, a mysanthropist maybe but not a homophobe.

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2 Good posts in a row Boldie. What are you on?  (or not on?) ;)

my stash ran out...I'm all sober :(

Did you do the whole Jason Lee suddenly twigging thing from Chasing Amy? ;)

I had a similar experience when I live out in Japan.  We were looking for a club to go to in Tokyo, and we were recommended a place that I forget the name now.  Wasn't really up for clubbing it, bit tired, but went with the group

Anyway, when we get there, we discover it's gay night.  I've got no problem with that, although I do have a problem paying £30 to get into a club (Tokyo isn't cheap).  Anyway, we go in - and it's a shocker.  Not the fact it's gay night, just that it's not quite the same as a club over here - although it's trying to be.  The music was bad - not Kylie and Abba bad, just very bad.  In clubs in Japan, people don't dance in groups with friends either, they all face the DJ which is a bit weird.  Drinks were ridiculously expensive, and it was just pretty crap all round. 

Probably because I wasn't up for it in the first place, and was pretty knackered, I went and found a seat to chill out rather than get into the swing of things.  One of the blokes in our group was gay (and American), and he decided that because I wasn't the life and soul of the party, that I must be homophobic - and couldn't 'handle' being in a gay club.  I wouldn't mind, but he was a complete prick anyway who himself said that clubs weren't his thing and that he'd just tagged along with everyone else to be sociable (pretty much as I had).  This ended in a bit of a heated argument, but at least it made the night a bit more interesting.

I left soon after and went back to the hotel.  I wasn't (and I'm still not) homophobic.  However, that night I felt 'out of things' due to a number of factors, and it being a gay night probably didn't help.  Before and since then, I've been to some cracking gay clubs or gay nights, where I've had a great time.  The weirdest thing is trying to decline people's advances - when you tell a woman you're married and so therefore not interested - the message is usually received and understood. When a bloke chats you up, telling him you're married doesn't seem to help, in fact it can be seen as encouragement! Showing them your ring isn't going to help either...

Talking of great nights out - Garlands in Liverpool is a good laugh, although you see some interesting sights there!

 rotflmfao Cracker.

I always find, "sorry mate, I play for the other team" gets a laugh & no hassle.

I thought I gave no sign. Doubt I was as suave & cool as I thought (so probably, yes).

LOL Rod--------  that's funny. 

I'm just really surprised that so many people have had little, or No in Snoopys case, interaction with Gay men. Gay men and women make up a percentage of society that we will come across in normal everyday life.

Perhaps unless they are outwardly camp your gaydar just misses them and you dont realise they are gay.

With a younger lifestyle than I have, so I assume more of a social life, I would have thought that gay friends would have been the norm. I have gay friends, Dingdells Bern's son is gay, I have gay clients.

I am just really surprised.

As for the club incident, just take your shirt off, get sweaty and have a good time - just cos its blokes dancing together whats the harm - wait till you go to a jewish wedding.

cant believe nobody mentioned the most outrageous piece of snoopys post........."He may have stuck his fork in my food without permission ".


sorry, but camp or not, his head would have vacated his shoulder area.

I think that's the difference though.  Gay people are the same as everyone else.  Gay people in clubs are different, in the same way as hetrosexual people who go clubbing are different to everyone else. I remember going to a UK Garage night at a club and thinking that I'd stepped into a different universe.

Same thing if you go to Solihull, full of weird people with fuchsia footwear...

I thought only gay people had gaydar?...damn..had a nifty little gadget and didn't even know it :)

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It doesnt matter how big it is but u knew u must have had one- ur a bloke.

But back to the gay thing. My missus had a gay housemate (not attarctive-when i met him was so disappointed- thought he could be the one) and he was pretty much a woman in man clothes. Really feminine but the NICEST bloke i have ever met. His friend Rachel (the lesbian) was more my sort of man but there you go!
But if id gone to that meal snoop and he was doing the things you said im sorry but i would have told him to shut the fuck up and stop wanting to be the centre of attention. Coz ihave learnt whats best, getting it off your chest or holding it in and letting someone elses annoying ways affect the way you go about your life. Because i think it can be fairly easy to say that it IS the camp c*nt and the rest like him that shed negative light on homosexuality. I have no tolerance for 'gay-bashing' as it is to me one of the biggest examples of ignorance anyone can show. But if i have someone next to me who is the most annoying man i have ever met, i would have to tell him to shut the **** up you ******* annoyng ****! (whther he is gay or straight!)

 Ks KingPoker Ks

It does seem strange to me also that Snoops and some other posters on this thread have had had little or no interaction with gay people before... Maybe it's different up north!

I used to be heavily into the rave/trance scene ;letsparty; (still go occassionally) and used to have quite a few gay/bi friends, though as my love for trance/psytrance has waned (replaced with too much poker!), I've lost touch with most now. In Bristol the best gay club - Castro's - doesn't play Kylie crap, instead it's full on trance/hard house. Top stuff. I've had many a good night travelling from Lakota to Castro's at 6am (as it was the only place open at that crazy hour) and partying straight through until 12pm.

Getting too old for all that now though!  ;reallyamsorry;

About the Japenese clubbers facing the DJ - what type of music was that? In psytrance, hard house, etc, the clubbers tend to face the DJ wherever on the planet you are...  In clubs where they play Kylie and chart hits, I guess people tend to dance in groups more, as it's more about the 'pulling' aspect than the music itself...

Funny enough a gay couple ran one of the pubs in my home town and were treated the same as everyone else. I was in digs run by a gay man & the girl in the room next door was a lesbian.... BUT that didn't prepare me for the shock of a gay club. I don't mean they were being shocking, I mean more the feeling of being off 'my territory' and in theirs.

Risk of being shouted at for lowering the tone... but I'd not be TOO surprised at you having gay clients Dingdell, considering what you do...
;hide; ;)

I think a lot of people come from a 'traditional', working class background (maybe small town, as opposed to big city) - an environment in which homosexuality is much more likely to be frowned upon. Someone growing up gay in this situation is more likely to leave the area and move to a big city, where there is more of a gay scene.

Therefore, someone who grows up in a small town and stays there (doesn't go away to university or move to big city) may find that the local homosexuals either keep themselves to themselves and don't come out (for fear of retribution) or move away, so they are far less likely to be exposed to gay culture.

There's a very good reason why TV and music are filled with prominent gays, but there is currently a total of zero out, gay footballers. Environment is a huge influence.

I agree with what most people on here have said...In that I think it is more just a  case of being in unfamiliar territory, as apposed to being a homophobe. To venture out of your comfort zone and into another culture entirely can be a scary thing.
You naturally feel like an outsider, and it's normal to be freaked out especially the first time. If you were a homophobe you wouldn't even have contemplated going to G.A.Y, the fact that you did tells me you are confident in your own sexuality and open minded enough to try stuff (Not THAT kinda stuff  ;)), just  obviously haven't had much exposure to the seedy 'Meat Market' side of the gay scene.
As for the annoying camp guy, well there are a lot of them...But then I don't tend to get on with those types of personalities anyway, so it could be an OTT loud straight woman, or an overpowering straight bloke who feels the need to be the centre of attention etc....Basically, just because you don't like that sort of person doesn't mean you're a homophobe.

One last point..Remember, the reason there is a gay scene is.. in part ..because a lot of gay people feel uncomfortable going out and being themselves on the straight scene, just as heterosexual people sometimes feel when they're in a gay bar....It's a shame, because in my opinion, in a perfect world...there wouldn't be the need for a 'scene' as such..and we could all integrate etc...Until the day comes where I can casually kiss my girlfriend in the local pub...like many hetero couples do....or hold hands walking down the street and not get funny looks and the odd ignorant comment directed my way...then the divide will always be there....That said, things are getting better, the stereotypes are being broken down..and society in general is becoming more open.....but we still have some way to go.

Wow Swan...a few more comma's in the second paragraph and I would have thought  you were SofaKing ;)

Wow Swan...a few more comma's in the second paragraph and I would have thought  you were SofaKing ;)
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Well Boldie, I'm fairly new on here so can't say I'm familiar with SofaKing or his 'work' ..So not sure if I should be offended or take it as a compliment!  :)

It's a dis :P

When i went into a few clubs like this is San Fran (dont ask) I was more upset no one tried it on me :P

Well Boldie, I'm fairly new on here so can't say I'm familiar with SofaKing or his 'work' ..So not sure if I should be offended or take it as a compliment!  :)
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hmm..come to think of it, I'm not sure either. I'm sure you'll read Sofa's posts soon though and then you'll probably hate me :)

To redress the balance, I thought it was a good post theswan. (and I like how you spell your name) :)

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To redress the balance, I thought it was a good post theswan. (and I like how you spell your name) :)
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Thanks x 2  :)

To redress the balance, I thought it was a good post theswan. (and I like how you spell your name) :)
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Thanks x 2  :)
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I would just like to point out that I am much better at flirting than Tank.

Thanks x 2  :)
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I would just like to point out that I am much better at flirting than Tank.
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Ok thanks Red-Dog, I'll add that to my blonde forummers notes  ;)

Can I have my own folder?

Done!  :)up

theswan, forgive me if I misunderstood................


Red - I think she bats for the other team mate!!!

Well I think I've proved something here.....

She thinks you were the cop in Village people

 rotflmfao

Ok Im lost......    I'll shush and go somewhere else.

No, you were right first time Trace...Not sure what Red thinks he's proved lol...I'm confused now!? (Not in THAT way though) :)

Does she play cricket or summat?!  ;djinn;

You're confused?!!!!

BTW- What about those Dolphins?

Iv never seen a gay male person in the flesh. There certainly isnt any in my town. I just imagined its something what happened down south in London and Brighton (see Flushy).
I dont know how id react in that situation, i'd like to think id be ok, but to be honest im pretty sure i'd feel pretty sick if a guy tried to chat me up.

Despite this, im not homophobic, and i doubt you are really Snoopy. It was obviously a difficult situation for you.

TFFT -  two of us confused!

Can I just say theswan that in your pic you look a little like Tracy whatsherface off Corrie!    <<  Hope that hasn't offended you!

I don't think you are any different to a lot of guys.  It was a strange environment and you reacted like most straight guys would. You have nothing to feel bad about.

I have met a few gay guys who were friends of friends, but they seemed abit unfriendly and tended to hang around with females rather than chat to my group of friends. This is understandable as all my mates and I are straight, they may have felt intimidated or afraid they wouldn't be accepted.

When I was around 16, I was on holiday with my friend and we accidentally went into a gay bar. It was on the way to the main pub/club area and I was desperate to find out the result of a boxing match featuring Evander Holyfield. My mate agreed to go into a dodgy rundown looking bar as I could see the TV through the window showing sports. We had a drink and after a few minutes my mate whispered to me that we were in a gay bar. I looked round and saw a couple of sets of guys holding hands or kissing. I wasn't too bothered as my attention was on the sports results being shown, but my mate panicked in case his Dad and Uncle saw us in there  :D

Lol Umm..No I don't find that offensive at all....If you'd said 'Fiz'..or 'Janice'..then I would have some issues!

Hey dunno if anyone told u this before but u look like fizz, from coronation street in you pic  ;ifm;

 Ks KingPoker Ks

Muhuhuahahaha  ;snoopy'sguns;

What  :dontask:???
She's one of the prettiest girls in the world. Judge for yourself......mwhahaha

The Swan is far nicer than her  :).  What TV show is she an actress in?

There had to be one ill informed person. Why would my clinic attract gay clients in particular Rod?????

If you think having a colonic is gay then think again - I have more clients who are professional sportsmen than gay clients.

My clients are focussed on detoxing and health issues - interestingly the gay community that I have experienced tends to have a very holistic approach to health and tend to eat more healthily than the average hetro man. They don't need my help to be healthy. Think about it - you see a lot less beer bellies in a gay club than you do elsewhere.  I bet Snoppy (when he had his eyes open) saw more pecs than fat at the club.

I know the post was tongue in cheek ( ::) )  but my clients are approx 40% men, 60% women with the average age between 30 and 50 and predominantly hetrosexual. 

Don't treat the bottom as a gay area - it's an eliminative organ which, if unhealthy, can lead to toxicity and disease in the body. That's why we get the sports guys coming in - their job is to be healthy and as fit as possible.

Lecture over.

TFFT!

Why in earth would a gay guy try to chat you up? You're not gay - why would he try and pick up a straight guy? You're not going to be much fun on a date so he wouldn't bother.  :dontask:  He's not looking for a challenge - just wants to find someone he's got things in common with (like we all do) - and you aint it!!

  

Same time next week at the clinic Red?  :)up

Great! Your turn to be face down this time, my treat!

I was going on something i think Kinboshi or Rod said earlier in the thread about being chatted up by in the gay clubs

Ahhh - I missed that - it becomes clearer - I think their posts told us more than they expected.......they are attracting the gaydar.... ::)

I always get a fair bit of attention.  Doesn't bother me at all though.  Only the same as a girl chatting me up.  I'm off the market, so the end result is the same.  I get a drink out of it if possible!

I bet u do. U were getting the eye from the swedish guy in that EPT picture. And u know what......u were loving it!!!!!!! Slag!

A supremely gay ex-workmate of mine used to say that there was no such thing as a straight man - just a gay man who he'd not managed to get drunk enough for him to realise it...

You are just  ;envious;

 :goodpost: ;iagree;

Blimey - do you think all those hetro guys that go out and get drunk on a Friday night are living in hope!!!!

this thread reminds me of my mates favourite saying, "im not homophobic!!, im not scared of them"

Give me a shout when we get to the Bisexual section someone!!!

Best way to deal with him is to agree 100%. You are a little gay, just don't happen to fancy him.

I must stress he didnt say this to me, whilst covertly slipping a vodka into my pint - he did have standards.

BTW - here is a little gay.

(http://www.smoktravel.com/elton-john.jpg)

Sorry - I knew I'd get pulled up for that...

I was going to be more explicit to make the obvious gag more obvious, but I knew I was wrong - it was just a crap joke opportunity.

Being a wee bit serious, I've considered trying a colonic as with my red-meat diet I reckon I've half a coo stuck in my colon.

(BTW if I was to be lucky enough to meet a lady willing for some 'backdoor action' I'd hope she'd had the back close swept ;) ).

I think you should have quit while you were ahead Rod.

Nah, apparently he was behind...

Rod!!!!!!

stop digging

Talk about bums more Rod

(reverse psychology)

Cheers guys, thanks for the advice, Dell's right though, I am ill-informed  (not about the bad joke I made though- that was my own fault).

As I understand it, colonic irigation is to rid the colon of the built up undigested garbage the body hasn't expelled. Once done your digestive sysem works better and you've lost the weight of the excess... well...crap stuck inside you. Dell can tell you where I was wrong and fill in all the bits i missed.

Dell, I meant no insult to your proffession & if I've bothered you you're welcome to give me a good spanking at BB4 ;)

That's a shame, I reckon you'd go down a treat in the gay clubs. No pun intended.

I'm not bothered at all - I just have to defend every now and again!

As for the spanking I suppose its a change from you doing it on your own.....to be deleted by the mods??  Tell you what to make it up to me as I am mortally offended why don't you come in for a treatment?  ;angel;

Can i just point out that Solihull is the gay capital of the midlands, and snoppy don't tell me you never went to the Jester in Brum city centre in your youth...........

Vegas trip report mug ... quick as you like !!

Will do but it's more to do with boxing than poker or PVC clad valets...........

This is something I've wondered about colonic irrigation - exactly how does food become 'stuck' in your digestive system. Surely it's one big tube from your mouth to your arsehole? It doesn't branch off into myriad cul-de-sacs down which stuff can hide.

If there was all this stuff up there, wouldn't it block everything else and nothing would get through? As long as I'm noticing digested food has successfully completed its journey how can there be all this extra stuff up there?

You'd be surprised.  Many people's colons, due to poor diet, lack of exercise, etc., are 'kinked' for want of a better word.  Think of it as a tube that isn't perfectly smooth or solid - and imagine that it can fold and create places for 'stuff' to build up.  I've seen pictures that show the difference between a healthy colon and a not very healthy colon.  It's not pleasant when you see the state of a bad colon.  Although the adage is 'you are what you eat', it should more accurately be 'you are what you digest', and if your digestive system isn't working properly you won't be getting the nutrients you need, and you won't be healthy.  It's a bit of a vicious circle (maybe a vicious ring?) that an unhealthy colon then causes more problems as toxins are produced that are then absorbed into the body - making things worse.

Never had any irrigation, and I try to eat a good balanced diet and exercise regularly - but I can definitely see the benefits of getting yourself flushed out.  But long-term, how you live is important for a healthy digestive system.

Could this be the start of a trip report thread by Rod?

I watched a programme once on C.I. and this guy who was seriously overweight had some crazy 5 kilos of suff in his bowels. Some of the meat he had was like few weeks old.  terrible.

I never had irrigation, but once I had to have colonoscopy - so they gave me some power cleaning stuff- 3 days near the toilet.  Anyway I saw my insides on the screen - they were nice and clean and pink:)

Blah Collonic Irrigation..Schmirigation... I just drink Mr Muscle..if it works for the sink it'll work for my bowels.

word bro

 ;tracet; Oi you, stop it.

I have considered it as my only meat & no veg diet isn't the healthiest, but there's no way someone I know is getting to stuff a tube up my pipe & give a report on the state of my Nobby Stiles thank you very much!

Sorry Dell, I also think the distance from Glasgow would make it too costly for me. phew - dodged that one!

Surely there is no price too high to pay for a good poo? (after all that's all it is really...just eat beans and spinach and such for a few weeks..clear ya right out)

Not at all - lets organise an easy jet flight...I already have a list of wiling sponsors   ;D

Rod i sense you're just making a bgiger hole for yourself as this continues.

I had an Endoscopy Jan 06 - never again!!   Ewwww

I thought if i am to suffer as might as well look inside my guts...

I agree - things are getting stretched out of all proportion.

 rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao ;bumwiggle;

 rotflmfao :-X ;shame;

I suggest BB4 in Northampton - new Gala games (cough) and colonics instead of a quiz.  ;D

You know where you can stick that idea...

Try not to 'pick' at the 'matter' too much people!
Its getting a bit anal......
 ;whistle;

Thanks for the honest replies, I feel this thread made for an interesting discussion.

Ater re-reading my account and the comments everyone made, I feel that, in reflection, my discomfort was due to the overt campness of the people within the establishment, rather than their sexuality. If everyone had been non-camp and acting in a less eccentric way, then I'm sure I would have had no problem spending the night there. Seeing that I find campness grotesque, ghastly and purely a form of annoying attention seeking, then it's not surprising that I felt awkward.

I'm sure if I'd taken Dana to some of the footie pubs around Villa Park in Aston, she would have felt similarly uncomfortable, not because she has a broad dislike for people who like football and drinking, but because the setting and the way in which people act within those surroundings would be totally new to her.

You can be quite intelligent occaissionally ;)

...or the fact that anyone would be embarrassed about the quality of the footy at Villa Park?

:dontask:

rump