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A point for England,  a point for Scotland?

Don't like the look of England's back 4 much

Scotland need the 3 points, and with Georgia giving a 17 year old goalie his debut, we should be able to get them.

England will struggle defensively, that pitch is not fun, the first 20 minutes are getting used to the dodgy bounce, one good thing for England though is only 2 Spartak Moscow players are in the squad - so they'll not be a lot more experienced on the surface.

0-0 in the Russia/England game and a win for Scotland, probably 1-3 imo :)

Damn this early kick off, can't leave work till about half time.  Best find a stream on the net.

How about the one that runs through Moscow itself?

(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/621/streamnw4.jpg)

This pitch is severly rigged, i really don't like the look of this. Its like we are playing on ice.

Great commentary on Five Live.  They are commentating via mobile phone.

'Because of the unique way the BBC is funded...'

Good goal, even for a United player i have to say well played that man.
 ;cupcake;

I did warn you - Celtic had to play Spartak there earlier this season.

The other argument though is that apparently a load of English teams have the same type of pitch at their training grounds, so there should be some familiarity with the surface.

I take it back, Rooney gives away a penalty and we are now looking dodgy.
 ;scarymoment;

Complete shambles.

Omg headless chickens...better defending at Bb5 in the last 10 mins.

thankski comrades!!!


now come on scotland

 ;popcorn;

Oh well they still get their £100k+ for the week....pfft.

Complete shambles. Maybe we will now appreciate Sven.
Maybe Jose will be the man?

Good luck to the Scots tonight, we need at least one team in or it won't be worth watching.

Wont make me appreciate Sven, its the same players giving us the same results yet the manager will get all the blame and the players will get richer...just not good enough and havent been for years now. Euro 96 was the last quality squad (5-1 in Germany was a one off).

Under Sven we qualified for 3 in a row.
Under Sven we reached 3 quarter finals.
Without Sven we look like not qualifying.
Hmm maybe it is because we got rid of Sven?  ;carlocitrone;

Not strictly true we do have the odd very good game every now and then but there's no consistency and our biggest problem is we get 1-0 up and then throw it away by going into our shells and allowing teams to come onto us (especially in big games when we need a result).

We play by far our best football when we play at pace and get at teams (that's also what scares other teams when they play us, but we only seem to play that way once in a blue moon), I'd rocket the team and the coaching staff and get someone in who recognises we should play to our strengths - not our weaknesses.

Guus hiddink shall not be denied.

Maybe now McLaren will finally get the sack?..I hear a certain Portuguese trainer is available ;)

If you look closely enough you can actually see the figure of steve maclaren poised of the edge of the bridge...............

or because we settled for someone with even less managerial skills rather than going for an improvement no matter how long the appointment took (F.A bowed to public pressure and panic appointed the only person available at short notice).

I agree with Boldie at least he'd play to strengths.

A somewhat predictable difference in attitudes.  ::)

behave

Under Sven we were never good enough either

Its a red herring

Its very boring you going on about him just because he is now at Eastlands, leave it for heaven's sake

Those Sven facts do look good on paper, but we were never impressive for long...I cant see any manager bringing glory with the current group of players.

p.s come on Scotland

p.s Russia have to play Israel and ?.  if they get six points we're out. All we can do is beat Coratia at home (tough but doable) and hope for the best

I rated Sven before he came to City, but will leave it.

Mclaren was the obvious and the only suitable English candidate in my view at the time. If he does go, it has to be a foreign coach as we have no English ones ready and waiting.

Fingers crossed for Israel next month.

Sam Allardyce (won't happen but he'd be great).

the most obvious choice, nationality aside, was O'Neill. Englishman wise, Allardyce was arguably as natural a choice as McClaren

both Sam and Martin were Interviewed but not to the liking of the suits from the county FAs who choose

I do hope we choose ther best candidate irrespective of nationality next time but we won't

each to there own m8

Georgia have scored. The whole day could turn out to be a disaster. I am off to get my calculator and the league tables.  :(

russia have to play Israel and Andorra both away...they won't drop points against Andorra, you'd think..so it's Israel or bust for England

Thank you

although we still might make it of course, those poor results in the early months of the group might, and probably should, cost us dear.

Just think it's a tad sad and silly attitude.

Why not just focus on wishing your own team success rather than a silly anti attitude.

I suspect none of the home nations will be playing in the Euro finals next summer.

there is no reason why i shouldnt want russia to win and many reasons why i should...

lets not take the thread down that track please guys, you are never going to agree!

 

Being stupid being one of them???

Personally I like to see all the home nations do well even though many Scots do make that hard work with their silly ABE attitude.

thats up to you m8


as for calling me stupid......

well i dont really think thats helpful and speaks much more of you than me.

the idea that someone is stupid because they dont want a team playing england to win is frankly ridiculous.

what if i told you my mother is russian. or that i had bet them to win.... or countless other reasons.

o and btw hiw do you know im scottish????

repeated as someone ignored me the first time  /:-|

No flaming!!

I wanted O'Neill as England manager as well, a great motivator of players is exactly what the England team need while being tactial shrewd. He is far too outspoken though and the fa never have appointed outspoken managers.

Lets wait till scotland lose today and post on all raabs threads..

not me tighty, i have not flamed once

Who's flaming I just stated that I think the predictable ABE attitude is a stupid one expressed by stupid people.

I'll pm Raab my response to his last post so not to ruin the thread.

thank you, appreciated.

If Scotland qualify (I'd put it at 40/60) and head to the Euro finals, I'd really like England to be there. Get a chance for some revenge on that Euro 2006 polava.

Some people *cough* diceman need to get a grip. It's only a game, and football rivalry isn't personal. No need to get upset and call people names.

I agree..and for God's sake remember the age old truth;

You both suck.

Thanks Tank, I was going to leave this thread but will respond to your ickle pop.

Thanks but I have a grip. Just get bored of silly people vocalising their crappy ABE attitude. Why should it go unchallenged. Is it really only sport???, ok so I shall fame the forum with a ABS attitude to provide some balance. I remember last time everybody got really upset that someone dare to wish Scotland lose last time.

I have a car with ABS..not ideal when you live in Scotland, I can tell ya that much!

Its nothing new, I love it when the Jocks get spanked at any sport, I suppose the difference is that I am genuinely pleased when they pull off a good result.

So I can honestly say I am chuffed when they get a spanking ... but I am also chuffed when they get a win ... I dont half get the arse ache when they draw though ;)

If either of these teams were playing in my back garden I would close the curtains.

for the record my motivation for wanting russia to win was the same as it is for playing poker......cold hard cash.

as for your pm diceman i will not dignify it with a reply.  

me too, I'd hate to see what Georgia would do to my herbaceous borders

and look what Russia did to our English pansies.....

2-0 Come on Georgia

british footies shit,
british footies shit,
shitty shitty,
shitty shitty,
shitty shitty shit.

What a showing up this has been today

What a load of rubbish, both England and Scotland have been total crap.  There's no way either deserve to qualify playing as they are.  With England, we get all excited with a couple of wins against very poor  opposition, the first decent team we play and we revert back to our old crap.

Assuming that the result stays as it is, what does this mean for Scotland? I think if they win against Italy are they still through?

Scotland though deserve genuine credit for recent performances. Shame about today so far though

I agree with you there, the've had some great results recently and have put in some top performances (for them).  Todays defeat, assuming it doesn't change, will be a big disapointment to them I think

Yep, so they're still in a better position than England as it's all in their own hands.

Who cares about football any more anyway - surely we're all about the rugby now?

Chocks away, rugger it is old boy

Up the England!

Rah rah, hurrah!!!

More Tea, anyone?

I love two things tonight.

#1 Mcleish's tactics.The big picture he sees, the risky gambit he's going for.

He's told the Scotland team to lowball their performance tonight. He's told them to go out there and get gubbed.

Think about it, two choices.

Home game against the World champs with only a point needed to qulaify
The I-Thais going at us full throttle from seconds after kick off.
Coming off seven consecutive wins and the whole country/popular media expecting us to qualify.

or...

Home game against the World champs with a win needed. (only one little goal between a win and a draw)
The I-Thais playing negative football, and still pissing themselves laughing at our performance in Georgia at kick off. They don't really get going until McFadden pops make it 1-0 early in the second half.
Coming off a humiliating drubbing against some Georgian cub-scouts, nobody expecting anything, certainly no pressure or expectation being laid on by the media. The boys are  free to do their thing.

Before tonight, even the most cynical supporter started to believe, and then it was all taken away.
If we pull it off, it just means the post qulifico celebrations will be five times what they would have been if we won tonight and nil nilled at Hampden.
McLeish's gamble of deliberately blowing tonights game (what a good actor he is, he looked genuinely upset) is certainly a +EBV desicion (expected banter value) as he had the pot odds.
 

#2

Diceman starting consecutive paragraphs with "thanks." That means he's pissed. :)

Why I derive pleasure from this? It's not a matter that I intend to debate. I'm going to log off and get pissed. ;bumwiggle;

rugby and rowing only from now on....

Aye totally outplayed by Georgia tonight, they were first to every ball. Don't mind McLeish's tactics we really needed to win - a draw was as good as a defeat - but the players especially the midfield were awful. Not sure why Eck didn't replace Pearson & Miller at half-time, by far the worst two players of the last two games - they were mince against Ukraine as well.

Plus the referee was awful, for both sides - gave free-kicks to us when they were soft and the challenge on McFadden when the ref was only 2 yards away was one of the worst decisions I've seen in ages. Has no-one told this guy the war is over!!! Only joking.

Anyway better going up against the Italians needing to win - they only need a draw so they should sit back a bit more so Cafu, I mean Hutton, can run right at them. Come on Scotland!!!!

Personally I prefer a game of Shinty.  ;)

Were either of the results really a surprise??  England had injury problems and their away form under McLaren has been poor, whilst Russia are no mugs.  With Scotland aside from the freak results against France, whilst the results have been good the performances have been pretty ordinary.  Ukraine passed us off the park at the weekend, however we stole the game with 2 set-pieces in the first ten mins.  We also struggled at home against both Georgia and Lithuania, being outplayed for lengthy spells in both matches and relying on a last min goal to beat Georgia at home.  We were also missing 4 first starters through injury and suspension and the squad is not strong enough to cope.  That coupled with the annoying Scottish trait of losing when they are expected to win meant that I wasn't surprised by tonights result. That aside we have performed with credit to still be in with a chance of qualifying going into the last game, I'm sure every Scottish fan would have taken that before a ball was kicked.

some of us predicted it on saturday.............

 ;whistle;

I'm watching.....


Though I think the result is probably irrelevant - if we can't win a home game against anyone when we have to, then we don't deserve to go to the finals.

lolointernationalfootball ;sleep;

Club football is back next Saturday ;yippee;

Well, I've booked 2 caravans in Austria for me, 5 dads and 8 kids and we are going to have a great time at Euro 2008. That'll be the Jagsfan in me - we can still do it!!!

 ;iagree;

The Truth

B*&^%CKS

Says a Spurs fan
 :D

Unbeaten in 6 games homie  ;cheerleader;

yeah but your away this weekend   ;)

don't know which paper it was but someone ran the headline

McLarens Guus is truly Cooked!

had me laughing anyways