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Has Walked Out.

Said something about wanting to manage a big club

 ;ifm;

FYP

Off to White Hart Lane, then?

I said it was fasten seatbelts time.

still not confirmed yet,  resigns day after transfer window shuts?
wise bookies fave 4/1

LOLOLOLOL Please happen.

'IF' he does go mr ashley may have to have even more of his henchmen around him in the away ends. If he appoints dennis wise he may have to employ people to fill the stands.

I don't think alan shearer but be the right replacement, but any other choice just wouldn't work right now.

Awful

Gawnski

sky are saying its leaking out that Keegan has been sacked

What sacked????????????

Ahahahahah, wp Newcastle wp. How not to run a top division club by Mike Ashley and friends.

Obviously couldn't let Man City have all the headlines.

yes its hard to believe

   [  ]   sacking keegan is a bad idea

               [X]  hirng keegan in the first place was a bad idea

+1

Joey Barton for player/manager ?

Some websites (eurosport) are reporting that Keegan has already quit - but you can still back him on Betfair at 1.12.
Guarenteed money or something strange going on?

I knew he would, I fooking knew he would, in fact I think I might have said it on the Keegan thread when he got signed.

What a loser, quits everything, christ.

The Premiership has been like an episode of Lost so far this week.

QFT

I don't care what happens but if he has a beef about being promised money that is not there or is being told who he can sell or buy then why bother staying?

The man from BBC - he say gone.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7593683.stm

Newcastle are 11th in the Premier League having picked up just four points from their opening three games.

I guess we're supposed to win away at Arsenal and Man U...

Once again Newcastle outdo Spurs to become the laughing stock of the premier league ... ffs we cant even win that !

a close second is nevertheless creditable.

Please god, let them give Wise the managers gig.

Let the games begin! lets hope so too.

I saw that on BBC and Loled.. Decent return imo


I would piss myself

Ian Poulter as new manager

just for you kev

Does anyone want a ticket to see arsenal, man u, Chelsea, liverpool, man city this season? It would mean that you have to go to st james' park but Newcastle is a nice
City to visit these days.

Latest reports are that he's been sacked and yet there are still people on here jumping on the quitter thing. The BBC showing themselves up too - we have 1 more point than 90% of the league will have after the same fixtures.

No wonder Mort and Cox sneaked out the back door before they were embarassed by Ashley too. I really can't see where he goes from here.

Still available to back at 1.07 - i know its not worth backing unless you have thousands, but still find it strange.

I can only say one thing;


rotflmfao

I would love to see this as much as MANTIS01 needs the timebank when playing online, lots...

    I was at Coventry last week and was pleasntly suprised at how well we played despite having no-one up front for the majority of the game. :).Milner was then sold after being the best player on the pitch ;carlocitrone;.I went to Arsenal on Saturday and we were hammered :( but it was half expected) and i had a good day out.I've just finished work and Keegan's gone :dontask:.Please not Wise it will be a disaster ;dingdell; ;dingdell;
    Following Newcastle is NEVER DULL but i will NEVER STOP sit in your armchairs and mock if you must,but spare a thought for the true supporters.

but spare a thought for the true supporters.

They deserve so much better, but its is the CLUB that are the laughing stock not the fans.

lol that would be too funny

+1

Keegan had a completely untenable position.  The board are operating like complete amateurs, they got that idiot Wise in without his knowledge, and then insist on trying to run a club called 'Newcastle' from London.

The supporters have got a bum deal.  Keegan certainly had no chance in that set up. 

So, who next then?

Will they go for Alan Shearer to "keep the fans onside" or someone who might know a bit about football...

Tell you what, how about Colin Calderwood? Wouldn't that be grand!

lmfao

Yeah it must be really hard for Newcastle fans, esp with Martins & Owen up front.

I reckon Kevin Keegan ought to apply for the vacant managers job.

Christ it took Kev and 3 pages for a sensible comment to be made by someone who isn't a toon fan.I don't wish to fall out with anyone, and i'm absolutety foaming to say the least at what's going on so hope you guys have fun for the rest of thread and i'll leave posting on here at that.ENJOY  :)up

Good point Mondatoo, We are quick to have a bit of a dig, me included, but seriously though, we would hate stuff like this happening at our own club so I do feel for the toon fans, they're due a bit of success.

Pretty hard to feel sorry for any premiership team to be honest.
Not many fans are completely happy with matters at their clubs.
There are teams in league 2 with massive points deductions. Newcastle are taking points of Man U.

breaking news he hasn't been sacked, just walked out again

He's never been the same since he was twatted with a baseball bat whilst sleeping in a Hampshire layby.  ;dingdell; ;dingdell;

Sigh sadly predictable. I do feel some sympathy with Newcastle fans as the club is being wrong horribly, though appointing Keegan was a massive mistake, especially with Wise above him.

Though Josedinho says i feel alot more Sympathy for Luton, Bournemouth, Rotherham etc fans who are fighting points deductions and for very existence of their local clubs.

Or has been paid to keep his mouth shut whilst the club drag his reputation through the dirt because they refused to give him the money they promised for transfers when hiring him and then sold players behind his back (not to mention the hiring wise thing).

....FFS I'd have walked out (mind you I'm not a Newcastle fan).

Does anyone else think Keegan was forced into supporting Barton because he knew they wouldn't replace him.

Ehmmm 7pm what the hell is going on?

Think it might just be best to wait to see something coming from someones mouth. Gone and comeback seems most likely at the moment. 

Should probably read been given the opportunity to come back. Campbell would have been proud of a press release like that.  Just KK is or is not still manager of nufc would have been nice!

If he does stay surely it'll just me a few months or another transfer window until it happeNs again. If Ashley wants to show commitment he should get rid of wise, of only to stop all the harmful bs.

I ain't looking for any sympathy for our team or our fans however, i don't see how the snide comments are neccesary obviously it's banter but i'm not to happy at the minute so ... ... I hope to god some idiots got this all wrong and he's the manager come the Hull game and beyond.I will be on an unbelievable buzz if it is and he stays PPPLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ONE MOFO TIME !!!

Anyone know if KING KEV frequents the forum ?

ps Very Good post Flea however, it's much easier to call Keegan a bottler and a coward than to look at the true facts.Its bs that people say this crap,He left England as he admitted he wasn't upto the task at international level crikey i'd have a lot more respect for Mclaren if he'd had the decency to do that instead of waiting for his hefty payday.As for the 1st time he left here how many of the people who call and criticise him know the true facts?If he does leave i and most other geordies will still love him because as stated by Flea he's been taking the p*** out of from the start so who, that looked at it properly could blame him ???

After Keegan's speech with regards to Barton and that everyone deserves a second chance, apparantly the final straw was when he tried to get he's old mate Gary Glitter a job as head of hospitality.

gonna be lol  when same thing hapens to shearer  toon fans love him but hes a shit manager

he wont go, its too soon

he's not made a complete tit of himself on live tv yet................

I'd LOVE IT if he did that again.

If Keegan is gone other than Wise and Shearer who are candidates for this poison chalise

Ossie Ardiles ldo.

what proven manager would touch that club with a 40 ft barge pole ?

I wonder if Mike "the tit" Ashley , will be donning his NUFC jersey for the next match , the one that says king Kev on the back !?

Sven?

O'Leary?

Strachan?

And just think yous can have Scott Brown, Jan Venegoor of Hesselink, Gary Caldwell and Mark Wilson all quality.

If you want them I'll drive them down myself.

Mark Hughes might have a look when his new bosses decide to get themselves a continental big name coach.

but the lay-by  where they tried to seal the deal was full ;whistle;

ffs, is he going or not?

Reading the papers this morning it seems that he tried to get some form of payoff. They also report he only took the job in the first place as he was skint.

Wtf is going on, i know he has resigned but there must have been pressure from above. Just after the transfer deadline and a good result, good timing.

Half way down page 4 of this thread, i put in a call, sent the boys round, told him i needed the points, its who ya know ya see Longy...

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=35774.new#new

after today rotflmfao@ the Keegan situation.

On the other hand..it's a sodding shame a club like Newcastle is run like this. NUFC supporters deserve better..hell,non league club supporters deserve better than this.

Might be a goer on this one...

Best stuff (as always) comes from the independent www.nufc.com

So, he's not been sacked, according to the club. That presumably means that Kevin Keegan has walked away from Newcastle United of his own accord - or at least that's what the official line is.

And were he somehow to be persuaded back to SJP, then it would surely be postponing the inevitable parting of the ways between him and the current administration.

It remains to be seen whether the public opinion that manifested itself on Tuesday has played any part in a U-turn by the club's hierarchy. One suspects not.

In reality, the wording of the club statement appears to be an attempt to distance themselves from the actions of KK, presumably to avoid paying his contract up (a figure of £8m being bandied around late on Tuesday night).

It was then claimed that Keegan was in a Manchester hotel on Tuesday meeting with legal advisors and that were he to have walked away, that he'd actually be contractually obliged to pay the club compensation.

A backlash had quickly followed the emergence of the departure story, in the form of texts and emails to media organisations and fans making their way to SJP.

If our inbox is any indication, the trickle of anti-Ashley comments received in recent days has become a torrent.

And unlike Sky etc. and their random fan feedback (some of which is obviously mischief-making by fans of other clubs), many of those emailing us are active supporters.

By that we mean those who have endured recent ticket price rises, relocations and negotiated various other obstacles in their quest to shell out and watch this team.

Their responses can be described as bewildered, seething, embarrassed, bitter and generally "gutted" - not just at the fact KK had apparently gone, but that we'd imploded once again within weeks of the start of another season.   

They all agree on one thing though - that Dennis Wise has never been a friend to Newcastle fans and would enjoy zero support were he to assume control of the team.

PS: SkySports played their joker on Tuesday afternoon by interviewing Freddy Shepherd live on the phone - a timely reminder that we've been through this pantomime before.

The faces (and accents) of the cast may change, but script remains farcical, scarcely believable and unique to this particular theatre of nightmares.

All the knockers, all the doom-mongers and everyone who labels us "unmanageable" will once again have a field day, as we manage to push news of two £30m+ acquisitions by the Manchester clubs off the top of news bulletins.

What an utter mess.

Trying to make sense of this mess is a frankly impossible task, but the departure of Milner, attempts to get rid of Barton on Monday and the ongoing situation where players are sought and signed without input from Keegan all seem to play their part. The Owen factor remains unknown.

As regular readers will know, we're not Kevin Keegan's greatest fans and don't necessarily subscribe to the notion that his way is the only way we will progress.

The question that continues to perplex us is simple:

Why did Ashley appoint Keegan in the first place?

Simply as a Avram Grant-type stop-gap to placate the crowd post-Allardyce and steer the club through to the end of the season in the top flight?

Because he mistakenly believed the presence of KK in the dugout would sell every matchday seat, every corporate table and every club shirt?

We've said before that we just refuse to believe that people bending the owner's lug in the away end at Wigan, Stoke or wherever were urging the club to dump Allardyce and replace him with KK - it just wasn't on the agenda.

Within a fortnight of him arriving, Wise was brought in and the cracks started to appear. That was partly due to a deliberate policy by some journalists to discredit Ashley and his staff by revealing details of their movements etc.

And don't forget the almost gleeful manner in which KK's failure to win his first nine games was reported nationally - from people who were willing the club to fail.

But in addition to that there's an apparent discomfort on the part of KK that his powers and influence were limited - and that Dennis Wise seems to have power of veto on everything other than the actual selection of the first team starting XI and subs.

That includes not only player sales and acquisitions, but contractual matters for existing players and staff.

The recent internal restructuring of the playing side of the club was designed with stability longevity in mind - not being dependent on the identity of the manager.

That being the case, the departure of that manager wouldn't be a major issue ordinarily. When that manager
is KK though, things become radically different - as is becoming apparent from the general dismay that has accompanied unconfirmed claims of his departure.

Had KK never been tempted back to SJP, then he'd be as much yesterday's man as Sir Bobby. Unfortunately for the club's hierarchy, the whole cult of personality that was re-ignited back in January by his return means that any popularity competition at present would be a no contest.

Regardless of whether he jumped or he was pushed, they will pay the price in supporter discontent and yet more negative media coverage.

Sky Sports now reporting he has resigned.

goneski

So Keegan has left the Toon, this is getting so bor  ;sleep;

Theres gonna be riots on the toon

Fans go on the rampage around Newcastle, rioting and looting at the departure of King Kev,

Police end up breaking up the crowds with tear gas and water cannons

Local council report rioters cause hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of improvements to the town............

A lot of the toon army are blaming Wise,
what a shame I hope no-one gives him a slap, honest.   ;nemesis;

All the idiots are blaming wise. Now I dislike wise more then most but how can you blame someone hired by Ashley for being there? makes no sense.

If they are looking for someone to blame then it's the way the club undermined Keegan by appointing people without asking him, buying players he didn't want, selling playing he wanted to keep and being told he wasn't a good coach by people who know nothing about football but hired by Ashley, promising money that was not forthcoming etc etc.

I blame the credit crunch, not wise

FYP

again, this is probably my fault.

If I hadn't turned them down when they came to me for the sporting director job Wise wouldn't have gotten in.
If it had been any other club (well, not Sunderland either..or Liverpool or Everton) I probably would have taken the job....It's just....well...

I hate Geordies as they go against everything Darwin has ever thought us about evolution.

One thing is for sure, this one's gonna run and run, who do you think would be crazy enough to take the job on now everythings coming out in the wash.

They've got Hull City next, wonder what the attendance will be?

Ashley wouldn't agree to you posting on blonde all day?

I deffo blame Ashley for all the worlds problems now.

yeah that's pretty much it

???

mond u managed to respond to that with more class than I could ever dream of! Read that and matts comment and I just had to not reply!

In the modern game the trend is that the first team manager is actually the first team coach, and all the management is done at a higher level.

If Ashley wants that, then no problem.  The problem, as always, appears to be lack of communication when he employed KK.  If KK can't work under those conditions, then it's best he disappears asap.

And I have to admit that I've chuckled all week.

But if I were a NU fan, I'd be more upset about the embarrassment of it all, not losing KK himself.  He's a decent guy, and a half decent coach.

That's all.

KK was never going to get them into the top 4.  Ashley brought Wise in to buy the players so that the coach can get them competitive.  Wise didn't buy the players that KK wanted, he bought the players he thinks are good enough to do the job.

Get Poyet in sharpish, and then judge Wise to see how good he is.

I still think NU fans have it better than WHU fans, tho'

KEVIN KEEGAN WILL BE BACK AT NEWCASTLE UNITED FOOTBALL CLUB AND YOU CAN ALL QUOTE ME ON THAT IT WILL BE SO GOOD WHEN IT HAPPENS AS WELL I CAN'T WAIT

THE ARTICLE ON BACK OF TIMES YESTERDAY SAID WISE WINS THE WAR TRUST ME HE WON A BATTLE HE AND MIKE ASHLEY WILL LOSE THE WAR TO US THE FANS, I USE THE WORD WAR TO MAKE THE POINT OF THAT ANALOGY(IS THAT THE RIGHT WORD SURELY NOT) ANYWAY THIS IS NOT FINISHED BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.

Not wanting to start a 'war', but why are you so besotted with Keegan , anyway ?  How long have you been a NU fan ?  Surely the owner ( even if he is a total dick ) who is willing to put his money into the club, is more important than a figurehead manager.

Also, why do NU fans love the idea of Shearer becoming manager at some point ?  He's not a manager.   Noone knows if he'll ever make it as a manager ( personally I have serious doubts about that, anyway ).

Surely Newcastle deserve a top quality coach who will improve them as a club ?

I;m not bessotted with Keegan,What is the relevance of my time of being a newcastle fan but i'm 22 and have supported them all my life if that helps somehow?

Christ no offence but your post is riddled with inaccurate points that are just wrong."Surely the owner who is willing to put money into the club" he's spent 10 million since he came do you think that is a lot of money for a prem club in a years period ??

Where do you get your information from that all fans love the idea of Shearer being manager most genuine fans i speak to would not want his 1st job to be here as thats not that ideal.

Your point of him being a figurehead manager is also ridiculous.Kevin Keegan is loved up here for many reasons.The ones that matter to me are:I believe he's a good manager,I know that he understands what the fans are about and what we expect from our team(these are not to win every tropghy possible as some people ludicrously seem to think but just to play decent football),he is a passionate man and cares about the club,he has interigty and dignity that isn't seen a lot in the game today.These points make him the ideal person to lead our team

As for Mike Ashley ive made many posts recently about him and how he's taking the p**s so i won't bother going into all that again.Can you not see that he's not a good owner to have at any club.We lost out on players because he won't pay them decent wages.He supposedly offered out Michael Owen our best player to clubs on the final day of the transfer window without even telling the manager (i'm pretty sure this is true as it's been said in 3/4 different papers and on our fan sites).He is a penny pincher and he also has the club set up where the poeple who are running it and even on Tyneside most of the time.Kevin Keegan revieved a letter to tell him on Thursday the boards proposal to try to keep him do you think a letter is an inappropriate way to deal with this.I could type for the next our reasons why this man and his team are a joke but i'll not bore you

I knew there was a reason why i was going to stay off this thread

Keegan is a shite manager FACT

This is off our main fans site

Your response

Having now managed to read through a decent number of the emails you've sent in, the following set of actions are overwhelmingly in the majority:

Not to boycott the Hull game.
Not to buy club merchandise, including food & drink.
Not to drink in Shearer's Bar or any bar within SJP.
Not to shop at Sports Direct, Sports Soccer & Lillywhites.

The strong view is that watching and supporting the team in black and white is a birthright and fans refuse to have that taken away from them by the actions of outsiders.

Words like "pride" and "dignity" are being used and as we hinted at on Thursday night, the mourning of Keegan's demise has quickly given way to much greater fears over where NUFC is heading now under its current leadership.
The preferred scenario of most is for Ashley to sell up and ship out, as his actions have tarnished the "product" to an extent where it's become "damaged goods" and will only continue to deteriorate and reduce its market value.

Needless to say, any future shirt-wearing or match watching among the fans by the owner would not be advisable - although we're sure that's already been
taken off the agenda for fear of further provocation.

Whatever good feeling that had been produced by his forays among the fans is long gone, as are his chances of "having fun" here, as his interview last month mentioned.
 
As to what form protests inside the ground will take, that will doubtless become clearer over the coming days, but we're duty-bound to urge that the more extreme views being expressed aren't translated into actions.

To stress this point further, pitch invasions etc. would make headlines but affect the team on the field - and as we're hearing, that's not the collective will of supporters.

That and any other criminal acts would only reinforce perceptions of ungovernability and deter possible new investors. Ground bans and criminal records would inevitably follow - please don't become stars of CCTV.

PS: Again, we're trying to show a representative view of what people are expressing to us here - and not being deliberately inclusive or exclusive of any opinion.

We are aware of the people who are taking their own forms of action in the form of contacting the club over cancelling season tickets, direct debits etc.

One of your points is the main problem with how others see newcastle fans " Prolly the media"  The amount of absolute rubbish that they print that seems to be believed about newcastle fans is unbelievable it's crazy that they keep there jobs when they write such crap.I have never really thought about the good old days as football is totally different now.We will never be a top 6 team while he the bleep bleep bleep is still the owner.

I think the media write crap about everyone.  It's what they're good at.  But have faith.  It's always possible that Wise might know what he's talking about.

Ok, maybe not.

Denise Wise has no future at the club, I assure you of that.

If he's managed to get someone to part with £12m for James Milner he's more astute than people give him credit for.

I remember wise the overrated / overaggro player.  But I thought he did a reasonable job at Leeds.  Didn't he ?

I thought it had been established that Poyet did a good job at Leeds.

Get him in at Newcastle, sharpish like, then.

Make the best of a bad job, ASAP.

It went tits up at Leeds last season and he jumped ship. No love lost from Leeds fans.

driving down to watch Bristol rivers today I was listeing to Talksport, about 12.45, and they were interviewing some Geordies.    One guy literally had me in stitches, I actually felt sorry for him.  "oh we are the biggest club in the world, no doubt, Newcastle through and through blah blah blah"...  Seriously, what planet are some of these guys on?

They just had a women on MOTD, who claimed recent events at Newcastle "had ruined her life".

Lol overreactionaments.

Ok I get now what the problems with Ashley.  But he ain't going anywhere for a loss.  So unless someone has a realistic name to put forward, then he ain't going to walk away just yet.

So what good are all the protests going to do on matchday ?

All I can see is that's going to harm the morale of the team. 

Keegan might have been good for Newcastle, but he's walked sooo many times from jobs it was just a matter of time.  He ain't coming back, live with it.  And tbh I think Newcastle deserve better.  Yes he was put in a bad position about Owen, but Owen is still there, so even if Keegan was gutted about what Ashley was trying to do, there was no spilt milk to cry over.

And I still don't get why Wise is so hated.  He's done nothing wrong that I can see ( ok so he jumped ship from Leeds - that should be a compliment to  Newcastle fans )  He's done the job that he has obviously been paid to do, which is bring in young talent as cheaply as possible.

Xisco, in what little I've seen of him, looks like a fine buy.  How must he feel when the crowd are baying for the blood of the guys that bought him in ?

If Keegan walked, then there shouldn't be a huge compensation package to pay out - use that to money get Poyet in ASAP, and get the squad back together.  It might not be a Champions League threatening squad.

But they look capable of playing some good attractive stuff.

Which will make Newcastle a more attractive proposition to any prospective passing Arabs.  I can't see yesterdays protests doing anything positive for the future of the club, even if it felt good to vent against Ashley

I wasn't involved in any protest and can't be bothered to go into any of that.All i will say shatner is why do you suggest we should get poyet asap he has worked as a coach at 2 clubs afaik but yet this qualify's him to be good enough to be newcastle manager ? I don't understand that tbh.I appreciate no good manager is likely to be interested in the job but i'm pretty sure we could get someone a bit better/more experienced than him imo

Purely because he worked well with Wise before, would be relatively cheap, and ( assuming you could get rid of Ashley in a reasonable time frame ) would be inexpensive to move on at the right time.

I think Newcastle have got the basis of a half decent side, and I think they need to buckle down to a proper routine asap, and get to upper mid table.  Leeds last season got off to a flyer, so I'm assuming he's not all bad.

I don't think you have a hope in hell of getting a truely great manger atm, given what I've been told about Ashley recently, so I'm trying to think what would be the best stopgap.

In the long run Newcastle deserve to be a regular top 6 club, but the competition is going to get bloody hard over the next few years, so I think overstretching at the moment is fraught with danger.

Then they will be more attractive to buyers.

Without the protests I don't think he'd have put it up for sale.  There is no way back for him now and he has realised that very quickly. He should be able to get 235m for it.

For what its worth I think he had the right idea in what he was trying to achieve, and how he was going to do it. He probably made two mistakes that have stopped that - mainly going for a young, inexperienced, unqualified and disrespected individual in Dennis Wise for a senior position at the club. Secondly, knowing the structure he wanted, not going for a manager to work within that and have a fresh outlook to reflect his vision - someone like Dechamps.

Kenwright has been trying to sell Everton for a while without success. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes us.

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I think that after what's happened at Man city, there's a whole new potential market out there.  If I was Ashley, I'd approach Shearer, cap in hand, and beg him to do a bit of pr work with the arabs.

If he could get a package together with the club AND Shearer, in some kind of capacity, then suddenly the club looks more marketable.

Of course, the downside of that may be that the new owner might not want his hands tied before he even takes over, and also there's a problem with Ashley having pi**ed Shearer off along with everyone else.

But in the meantime, he's got to get someone is FAST to stabalise the ship.  Someone strong, who'd be up for the challenge of the premiership.  Who would cherrish the chance of some self publicity, and is towards the tail end of his career.

I still say Poyet, but if he's not good enough, how about Warnock ?

I actually thought Ashley's statement made a lot of sense for what its worth...

It says pretty much what you'd expect imo. 

I came in here because I love football, and wanted to be loved and feted by thousands.  I spent a quater of a billion quid just to keep it afloat.  I haven't got the money to stick in more than another £20 mill a year.  I wanted to use Wise to bring in top quality footballers on the cheap, like what Arsenal do.  Keegan wanted players that could compete straight away.

I expeted to be able to whatever I wanted coz it's my toy, but you lot wont let me, sob, sob

Etc.

In many ways I feel sorry for him, because I genuinely believe that he hoped to get Newcastle up there with the big boys.  But he hasn't got the money to do it on his own.  He should have been more honest when he took the club over, because sticking in £250 mill is not bad, in anyones book, but in the modern world it's not enough to leap into the big time.

Arsenal have been successful because the board found Wenger, then went for him as their only target.  To the extent of using and abusing Bruce Rioch - a top notch manager in his own right.  Noone knew about him before his appointment - there was no going for a publicly popular man.  They knew who they wanted and why they wanted him.  And they waited until they could get him.  Then gave over complete control of the footballing side to him.  This is where other clubs don't seem to get it. Wenger isn't perfect, he has weaknesses, but for a club without too many million to waste he does give good value for his transfer dollar.

It's just sad that Ashley's lack of communication has alienated him so much.  But that was his gamble.  He lost.  He thought he could be the big hero.  Owners aren't heroes, though.  They are the men that employ the heroes.

Shearer's been sacked as ambassador for the club because of what he said last week about the strange set up so i'd say that's unlikely

Ashley statements pretty much a load of bs tbh Chipprince

The fans want this process to happen more quickly and they want huge amounts spent in the transfer market so that the club can compete at the top table of European football now.

But clawing back £12m for an England U21 midfielder and replacing him with a borrowed Uruguayan seems to be going to the opposite extreme to the megastars.

When the transfer window closed this year, our net spend was less than most other Premier League clubs this season - clubs with a smaller fanbase, less season ticket holders, cheaper tickets, cheaper corporate sections, smaller corporate sections etc. etc.

Most people believed that Kevin Keegan's "million miles away" statement last season was right - but they also believed him when he talked about improving the club's league placing.

We would contend that most people didn't believe that the only way to do that was spending "huge amounts".

The one charge that is continually levelled at Newcastle fans by lazy outsiders is that they have unrealistic expectations and no patience.

Unfortunately the owner seems to have fallen for this line, ignoring the evidence of his own eyes that Newcastle fans will shell out for tickets if they believe they are seeing a team worth watching and moving forward - and not being led up the garden path.

Those are a few bits from the fans site and are so true

That's what I meant about going to him cap in hand.  It seems to be a typical reaction at the moment.  Hear something detrimental, then jump off the deep end.  This guy must have been great to play football with as a kid.  How many times d'ya reckon he ran off home crying with his ball under his arm when he was tackled.

When this story started I had total sympathy for the guy.  It was his club, and he should be able to run it as he sees fit.  Which is fine up to a point.  But he does seem to have disguised the truth from too many people at the wrong times.  If he wanted to get Wise in, he should have done it with Allardyce in the frame, so when he brought Keegan in,  the position was open and above board.

And if you intend to sell Milner and Owen, don't do it until you've got adequate replacements in place. 

I still don't see what Wise has done to make him so hated.  He's just done the job he's paid to do.  And I really like what liitle I've seen of Xisco.

He's a liar for a start as he said to the fans he reported to KK and that KK would have the last say on transfers which wasn't the case and instead he undermined him and the fans.

He's also not very popular up here in the 1st place and his behaviour towards keegan is part of the reason keegan is now gone.Keegan being a man we love and trusted, wise being a man who we don't trust one little bit and who we're all 99.9% sure has his own interest at heart not the clubs.

He's also it seems one of the most important members of the club yet he's based in London and hardly ever even in the north east this is not acceptable as far as newcastle fans are concerned.

He also isn't even fit to ******* polish keegan's shoes for him wtf has he done to land himself the role that he has ffs He wasn't much of a player he isn't respected by many people in football imo and he took Leeds down before doing ok with them in div 2 Lge 1.So from that he then becomes director of football at a premiership club and is above Kevin Keegans head a man who was a great footballer has a lot more respect from his peers and younger generation of players and is also respected as a man a person and for certain management attributes non of which i see in an inexperienced denise wise.

Do Newcastle fans know Keegan only took the job because he was skint? sick of working in his? coffee shop in Scotland. Don't think its because he loves football and Newcastle for one minute.

I just don't get the anger towards wise. If you look at his record at Newcastle the players he allegedly brought in so bad? you cannot judge him on not wanting to live up there, he did a job at leeds without moving from London. You don't have to be at the club daily to scout, oversee policy's and shape the way the club grows. Keegan got shafted by his paymaster, it happens all the time.

Why would ANYONE want Shearer in a position of power?

A moral coward who held his own national team to ransom because he wasn't man enough to take the punishment he deserved is not going to do anything to help the cause of your team.

I agree that I don't understand how he got the gig in the first place, but the rest seems pretty lightweight reasons for hating him so much.

He said he was under Keegan, but obviously Ashley gave him increased power and authority.  IE promoted him.  He's not going to check if that's ok with you before he accepts it, is he?

His behaviour towards Keegan is part of the reason Keegan went.  Probably true, but if Keegan is commiting hari kari with the boss, then I don't blame Wise for siding with his employer.

He's based in London.  If his brief changes so he has daily contact with the squad, then he should spend more time up north.  But his main job up to now has been finding young talent, especially from South America.  You don't expect him to move to Uraguay, though.

He's not fit to kiss Keegan's bum.  True in many ways.  But he's hardly been there 5 minutes.  If Xisco comes off like I think he might, and gets a dozen goals by Christmas, helping Newcastle into a nice safe mid table position, then surely he's done a decent job by the Newcastle fans.  Judge him by his results, surely.

If you start paying him off, presumably for millions, then you're only getting deeper into the poo.

You never know, this scouting team might well be worth sticking with, no matter who takes over.

Keegan leaving is a setback for Newcastle.  But if it means it gets Ashley out, and a new, more modern, regime in.  Then it could be the best thing to happen to them in years.  Just be patient and make the most of what you've got.

Someone willing to pay £250m for a start off & £20m a season - and you've driven him out for Keegan??? You lot are mental & if he bankrupts your club to get back what he can you've only the fans to blame.

Shearer picked Newcastle over and above England.

I'd never pick him for the England setup.

He made his choice.  But talking about having his own interest at heart.  He chose financial security over his country.  And Shearer hasn't been as loyal as he could have been to some of the past NUFC mangers.

But he could have gone to Man U, and chose not to.  So I think Newcastle is where he should lay his hat.  

That's not what I'm talking about - he threatened not to play for England in a championship if he got done on video evidence for stamping on another player's head. And the FA devalued the jersey by caving in to him.

On a lighter note, can Danny Guthrie please recieve a 10-match ban for that shocking attempt at a tackle, which it turns out today has broken Craig Fagan's leg...  Fancy clapping the fans on the way off, w*nker...

But he's gone now.  I'd hate him to be invited to be England boss, for several reasons.  But whatever work he does for Newcastle doesn't affect me, so I'm happy for him to go where he's wanted.

The fact that it's about as far away from London as possible is just a bonus for me  ;) .  But I do genuinely want to see a stable Newcastle.  And I foresee Shearer being quite attracted to an Arab setup with £100 billion or so to wave around.

Won't happen.

It was just an unlucky challenge.

After Taylor got away with breaking Eduardo's leg last season, there's no way Guthrie will be punished.

I agree Taylor didn't intend to do the damage he did.  Neither did Guthrie.  But I still think the severity of the outcome is relevant.   The punishment for abh and manslaughter are different, although the intention to hurt in either case might be the same.

[X] I knew i should of not wasted my time with this thread.

[  ] Most of the comments on here are accurate

What?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He piled into him with intention to hurt him, it wasnt unlucky in the slightest, it is indefensible...  Of course he wont get more than a 3 match ban, but no one can possibly say that was 'unlucky'

ROFL, and unlucky challenge? well fuk me. He gritted his teeth and took two swings at him. He lost the plot and tried to hurt him.

How anyone can say that was an unlucky challenge......sigh.

You came out with loads of stuff why wise it to blame, none of them were facts but based around prejudice and misconceptions. I dislike the little shit more then anyone but you have to wake up and smell the coffee sometimes.

I'm not talking about the reality of it, I'm talking about his defense.

'' I didn't meant to hurt him, I was just frustrated coz someone in the crowd spat at me, and I slipped, guvnor ''

 ::)

Unlucky challenge?

Wow

He had a swing, missed

He ran on a further five yards and had another swing, from behind, catching him behind the knee

It was awful, and much like Thatcher on Mendes should receive a longer ban

Of course he meant to hurt him.  But he didn't mean to break his leg.

He was frustrated and swung out..... twice.

He got him and got sent off.  And if there were justice, he'd get a lengthy ban.

But his intention was just to kick the bloke.  He wasn't preplanning on breaking his leg.  That was just an unhappy consequence.

But since the FA ruled on Taylor, the actual damage done is irrelevant.  It's the premeditated intent that matters.  Guthrie intended to kick him.  Which he succeeded in doing.

And he got himself sent off for it.  With a 3 match ban coming his way.

He'll avoid any extended ban because he'll argue that he didn't intend to break his leg, it was just a over exuberant challenge, your honour.

And he'll get away with it.  Because Taylor did.

PS. Irony doesn't always translate in written form - sorry for any flaming that occurred.  It was a horror tackle.

Just tried to find it on youtube, dont think its on there tho. Anyone got a link?

[  ] Everyone is now better informed.
[  ] Newcastle fans are angry at the right guy.
[  ] Keegan's got staying power.

The last few pages of this are pretty amusing (the whole thing obv is for some!) and pretty inaccurate from what I can tell.


1) Shearer hasn't been sacked on the backl of any comments. The contract he was on expired last summer and wasn't renewed - he was givena box as thanks for his efforts. Personally I think he should have put his hand in his pocket! I'm taking this from a statement issued by the club, which although doesn't automatically make it true, its more reliable than a newspaper story.


2) While I think there was sense in Ashley's statement some people seem to have fallen for the big 240m figure.  Okay so that is the money he has in the put right now. But its not money he has donated to NUFC! Its in there as an investment and you can bet your life that he'll be getting all that back. The 20m figure for willing to to put in every year is interesting. We are one of the few clubs who were in the black so it would have been interesting as to how that would have gone. Once again however him putting in 20m a year isn't him being generous. The value of the club would have been rising along with it - if not more so if his model was so good.


3) Wise hasn't been popular from the start, as a player or since. He has no connection with the club and no credencials to do what he is doing (being an actaual director of a company!). He is draining money from the club in the form of the salary & expenses which gives all paying NUFC fans the right to form whatever opinion they like on him. If he was the broker behind selling Milner (12m very good work aside) there was no one lined up. 


As for the players him and his team have brought in then time will tell.  I hope your right on Xisco.  I'm not wanting to judge him so early but he literally didn't look like a footballer at times on Saturday. I'm not keen at all on Spanish players at Newcastle.



LOL!

Oh and there is the fact that about half of this was because he didn't do his due diligence (which I think he has now confirmed publically). He didn't really have that much of a choice in the extra 100m for the ground repayment that was due when the Halls left the club. The way to become a billionaire is blatantly to be a bit of a cowboy.

I didn't come out with facts why wise was to blame.Shatner said he couldn't see why people up here didn't like him i suggested a few reasons why we don't they weren't ment to be taken as fact there an opinion of mine and others i've spoke to.Also the story about shearer being sacked was off nufc.com which is normally very accurate with what is on there but again this is information i read this morning and was in response to shearer being part of a setup for ashley clearly not going to happen.As a fan of Newcastle United i will give my opinion on stuff that relates to my team some won't agree with which is fair enough but some peoples perceptions ideas when it comes to newcastle are just plain wrong.Also do people seriously think Mike Ashley is going to lose out financially here as i don't the only people that will truly lose out are the fans as per usual.Ashley suggests he would put £20 million in the club per season is also bs,Is that a lot of money these days for a prem club no imo, but the fact is he didn't even spend that much.

Season long ban..at least IMO

Lol, life imitates jokes, I said this a couple of weeks ago and now Keegan is the odds on fave to take the managers job at Newcastle.

[X] Debt of gratitude to him for being so keen.
[  ] threats of attacks against him for Keegan leaving (again).

Eh? He was so keen because he knew that with Freddy Shepard ill in hospital he had a small window to get through the Halls and the other shareholders so that Shepard had to sell! It was a business deal. Certainly no need to show gratitude. The price he paid for the club was a good price, he just thought it was even better than it was!

Your right to leave the x out of the threats. There are nutters everywhere in this world, but I can't see him being attacked physically at SJP.

When is the last time Newcastle showed a profit? The amount he spent did not make buying Newcastle a good deal - the fact he got shafted just made it worse. The EPL is becoming a megalomanic's graveyard - there were 2 teams playing each other sponsorless at the weekend - there's surely something wrong at that point?

You should have been grateful anybody bought the Shepards out - they'd nowt but contempt for the fans.

Did I hear correctly ?

£400 million ?

 ;gobsmacked;

Bargain !

I'll have two please

 rotflmfao

Operating profit, last year. Only 7 clubs in the league did that year and three of them went down.  Profit as you are probably refering too isn't there I accept, but I don't think that returns in dividends is the method that football investors are looking to get their return.



What basis are you making that statement?  I really can't see how he got shafted at all.



I've said before on other threads that I think the PL could implode, though that view goes against Deloitte's veiw!  I'd have caps on debt levels etc in place but thats never going to happen.

I don't think the lack of sponsorship reflects anything more than the climate of the companies who have sponsored those two teams. I'm guessing there are legal reasons why they have nothing on the shirt maybe. I don't think they'd struggle to get a deal from someone.

As for the Shepards, as in Freddy Shepard, yes he was a disease at NUFC and everyone is glad he has gone, but I refuse to see why fans should be grateful for someone making an investment. Had Mike Ashley actually got to the point of subsidising NUFC then there might have been a case for it - but we'll never know if that would have happened. I can't see that it would have.

LOL Things just go from bad to worse for newcastle

One of them isn't sponsored AFAIK. That's got to be a worry for the smaller clubs doesm't it?

I thought you did.


One of them isn't sponsored AFAIK. That's got to be a worry for the smaller clubs doesn't it?

Shafted would imply he has been misled and got a bad deal. He didn't do the work to find it out (because he was being an opportunist). It would also suggest that the end deal thah he got was a bad one financially. I don't think it was, even with the 100m he didn't know about.  time will tell if/when he finds a seller. If he gets 245m for it in the state it is now, and with the world being the way it is now, it'll prove he got a good deal back then.


There are clubs alot smaller (with less coverage) than West Brom and they manage to get sponsorship. Not sure what the situation is down there though, must some reason for it - whether they think they can make more by waiting for companies to be in a better position to get a better long term deal perhaps. Still would be worth having a one year deal for the time they are in the PL though. Very strange.

I'm absolutely sure he knew about the 'extra' £100 mil when he signed up.  He's just saying that now to get the sympathy vote.

I know it was 3 days ago now, and I've heard nothing to back it up, but I definately heard a report on either Talksport or 5Live about someone trying to tout Newcastle around the arab world for £400 million. 

That's opportunism.

Then they had an 'expert analyst' on suggesting that £400 mil was far too optimistic, the actual value in the current market is much nearer £300 mil.

Now, if this guy is such a great Newcastle fan, and he was so willing to put £20 mil a year into the club, he should be willing to take, say £220 mil, and leave the new owners an initial £80 to invest in players.  Even in the stupidly inflated market we have at the moment, that should manage to buy a centre back, and maybe a midfielder as well, as long as they're careful.

It ain't gonna happen, coz he's going to drain every penny he can out of the club. So unless the new buyer is as rich as the Man City lot, there still wont be any money left to invest  on the pitch.

Financially, I bet Ashley come out of this smelling of roses.  Morally I bet the stench is altogether different.

Perhaps badly worded by me. Basically there was a non current liability sat somewhere in the group structure. The lack of due diligence meant it wasn't discovered that the sale of the club triggered that liability to become current and paid in a certain period of time. 

I know for a fact that there was a ridiculous lack of due diligence for a transaction this size, before even starting on it being football.

I have heard the figure he was touting in UAE as 480m quid too. Incredible really. 260m seems like a fair price.  While I don't expect him to do Newcastle any favours along the lines of selling for less to let the new owners spend more, I do expect him to get out with less than a 20% return on his investment.

Nigerian businessmen with 350m to put into a football club.... Hmmm.

Did he send an email saying he had the money and for a small admin fee of 40 pounds he would buy the club?

Probably. Ashley would probably take that as a formal offer.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uNqZAfLjAQ

Dalglish linked with Newcastle job ... TY Newcastle for brightening up my football season.

Saw that that this morning too. As the person who I think had the biggest influence in our initial PL downfall I really would have to consider not going anymore if he came within a mile of Barrack Road.

From past experience Venables is out for one person - himself.  He nearly took Palace down financially years ago by offering to 'rescue' them football wise, and failed btw.  But insisted on fully settlement because his legal bods were better than palace's.

If he does go to Newcastle they had better make sure they are covered legally otherwise he will cost them a fortune just for walking away when things don't go right.

Sorry if this sounds like anyone else we know.

The words frying pan and fire spring to mind.

And he's a cockney - it'll end in tears

so basically your tieing all cockneys with the same brush!

thats like saying all scousers are thieves........ oh yes i forgot they are!!!! ;) rotflmfao

Venables is a real greedy *****, but he knows how to coach a team.

Can someone explain to me why anyone in there right mind would pay £400million for Newcastle United,Mike Ashley bought the club for £150m and paid off another 100mil debt so that is 250mill if my maths is correct.The club is currently in the worst state it's been in for over 5 years our star player is entitled to leave the club for free at the end of the season the fans have finally started to lose that blind faith that we've had for so many years and we're in serious trouble of getting relegated this season.Yet, Mike Ashley is recieving interest from a few different parties to pay 400 MILLION for the same club that was a 150 million cheaper a year ago and in a better position than it is now,it would seriously worry me whoever did take if over if they're crazy enough to pay this amount, especially with the current financial problems.I really don't understand what the hell's going on at the club I love and am bemused at the price tag he's put on the club yet we seem to be getting strong interest to buy,it doesn't make any sense to me?

From what i have seen that there is no way on Earth he will get 400m for Newcastle. 300m seems to be closer to the mark

Some very rich people out there, who want a nice play / business thing.. I really hope Newcastle get a buyer, and a Long term decent manager, the fans deserve some stability.. the only good thing about Newcastle now is that they are keeping Raffa and liverpool out of the papers..

I dont think he will get that much though tbh, probably about 300 mill

Supposedly the nigerians only have 350 mil and are trying to raise the rest as he won't go below 400,the are looking for more investors which would suggest they're interested and willing to pay the 400.

Even if it was 300 how on earth is he managing to make a 50mill profit on the damage thats been done in the last 12 months.Surely the value of the club has gone down not up ?

at a guess I would say removing the debt has made it more attractive as an investment. I would also venture to guess that this was probably his plan from day 1.

60% ROI FTW.

But surely the removal of the debt is just added on to the value of the club i.e he only paid 150 + 100 debt making the value of the club 250 - 249.9* million due to the club now being in a right state and will be in big trouble if things aren't sorted soon



*I have to joke cause I'm going crazy with all this shit but seriously It should knock it down by 25-30 mil imo seen as he no longer has an interest in keeping the club and is quite clearly not welcome

Im hurt that Mond and Rooky havent congratulated Spurs on last nights victory, poor etiquette imo. :)

LOL I would have if they hadn't of played nearly as bad as us, but they were terrible also although I expect you will come good over time and finish top half again.

[ ] Steven Taylor is England class defender
[X] Steven Taylor is a white Titus Bramble
[ ] I can understand why people rave about him
[X] He's got away with it for far to long due to his newcastle background
[ ] He's one of our main problems at the minute
[X] I've went to far with the boxes

it impacts the current expenditurem current & future P&L and the balance sheet, so it is a bit naive to just make a simple calculation to get the current clubs value.

in addition to this I would reckon the value of all premiership clubs has been lifted by the introduction of the Arab angle. Any "sleeping giant" with a big support has to be ripe for takeover by the megarich.

Joe Kinnear just been named as the new manager!!!!

Didnt Dennis Wise play for a team that he managed once????

LOL ... you really couldnt make it up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7637836.stm

Bleedin' Nora

::)

I'm sure Owen will benefit from all the lumped balls forward!!!!

Always rated him. Cracking appointment.

 rotflmfao

next out of Wise's address book? Dave Bassett???

Vinny FTW!!!!

Is John Fashanu still around.  He could still do a job up front.

A very bad job, admittedly, but then..........

Perhaps my tone won't have come across well there. It is of course a joke of an appointment.

Wise is not going to be there when the club is sold and so why he still is I have no idea. For a man with his address available for the world to see for £1.50 he continues to annoy by getting his grubby little dwarf mits on everything that is causing our current status.

Hopefully in the next 6-8 games kinnear can keep his record of each of his clubs winning more games than they lose. Right now that looks like a challange.

Newcastle United reminds me of watching football on ESPN classics.
I heard Martins got injured today, i've got my fingers crossed Tino Asprilla will be drafted in as cover.

I think he'd struggle to get parole.

I think, even across the ether, we caught your tone  ;)

From someone who started out this 'situation' totally on the other side of the fence, I've come round to feeling sorry for you.

No matter what I think of Keegan, no club deserves to be treated this badly by it's so called 'fan' of an owner.

For someone that released a 14 page sob story about how hard done be he has been, I personally think trying to make £150 million or so clear profit isn't exactly showing a great love either for the club, or for football as a whole.

I still don't blame Wise as much as you do.  I still think getting Poyet in the moment Keegan walked would have given the team at least some chance of morale.  But too late, no matter what.

Now it's just damage limitation time.  And getting anyone in just until the end of October is rediculous in the extreme.  Noone could have found a decent replacement for that period.

I remember a couple of years ago,when West Ham needed a figurehead for just a short term.  And although he was no manager Trevor Brooking stood up to the plate.  Maybe this is the time Shearer should have swallowed his pride for the good of the team he loves.  The team need someone they can respect and follow.

Kinnear ?  Good job Roy isn't still alive, else he'd have got the job first.

I wasnt just doing a simple calculation though that's the point.That is the starting base from true figures then you take into account all the other stuff that make up the value of the club.However,I can see a lot more reasons for the club to be valued at less than it was a year ago whereas i'm struggling to think of one that is positive.Yeah the clubs out of debt but anyone rich enought to buy the club now could've bought it a year ago for a lot cheaper and paid off the debt.

All the while Everton are looking for a buyer, I'd say that Newcastle need to make themselves look as attractive as possible to get in there first.

£400 aint that attractive from where I stand.  But for £250 it's a realistic purchase

I've got £400. I'd happily buy Newcastle for that!

You must be a born optimist  ;)

Even without a few hundred million added on

I feel sorry for Kinnear , didn't he have a heart attack in the stressful job of managing Luton, got knows what he'll be like after being in charge of the toon for a few weeks.

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potw by Nem

They should just give the job to ant and dec and be done with it.

cant see wot all the fuss is with the newcastle fans are they that surprised that there beloved keegan keegan keegan has walked out on them yet again when its not going his way keegan record as a manager won nothing everwhere and walked out of every club he managed and then down to the running of the club they wanted the board out and that's wot they are getting just as soon as they can find someone daft who will pump milllions into the club just for the fans to damand a 3rd rate manger be incharge of the team or they will want the new board out  ;madasahatstand;

Good news for England fans, Keegan is avalible for the England managers job if things dont work out if Capello

Being a Spurs fan is a proper trial sometimes, but I cannot imagine what it is like to be a geordie at the moment, football is so important to those people, ffs they deserve so much better than they are getting.

I seriously hope they get through this shit patch, not for the club, they can rot as far as i am concerned, but for the fans... its turning into a car crash and its not pretty or even funny anymore, its just SAD.

0-2 HT at home to Blackburn

1-2 now, come on Newcastle, Im supporting you today.

Agree with what you say about the fans etc.

But i'm not sure I can go this far, even against Blackburn.  8)

( oh go on, just this once mind  ::) )

It shows how bad it has been that I can actually take positives from the second half. A bit more about us than of late but still lacking quality with mass proportions. If u take 4 of the best 5 players out of any team in the PL then u will see a big effect, with our tiny squad it just compounds the problem.

Gutterez
Beye
Viduka
Martins

Plus Barton, Guthrie.

Needed back before anymore damage to confidence is done.

I really think Newcastle have had this coming for a long time, maybe not the shambolic affairs of the last few months who nobody could have predicted but it wouldnt suprise me if they went down. The board were a joke, the squad are terrible, Keegan is a quitter and the fans (while no doubt the most loyal and dedicated fans in the world) have delusions of grandeur. As someone who also supports a joke team (come on you Owls) I really hope they go down and everyone associated with the club gets a big reality check - they simply are not the big team they all claim they are.

All those people who are singing Keegans praises need to remember that his quitting is what caused this mess in the first place. Obviously all the ingredients were there for some shambles in the pipeline anyway, but they wouldnt be in the bottom three now if he had stuck around.

I heard a bunch of Geordies on the radio today saying 'Shearer is tha man to get us into Europe' - I think that sums up the delusion going on at that club, talking about an unproven, unappointed manager getting them to a position they have no hope of coming close to this season when they have a relegation battle on their hands.

Rant over, Ive been biting my lip on that one for ages.

Should have kept biting your lip, it would have prevented all that shite spewing out of your mouth.

Being delusional when talking about your team is not a crime, we are all guilty of that ... leave the fans out of it imo.

Being delusional as an owner is a crime, and that is where the problems lay at St James' park.

It's not so much losing your better players that's the problem so much.

it's more the fact that those guys ARE your best players tbh.  ;)

 ;hide;

I don't think I'm too delusional .

We've got a young squad.

They will play good , proper Arsenal football.

They will be in the top 2 for a reasonable while.

They will not be in the top 2 when it matters.

We will say at the end of the season ''It doesn't matter too much about the trophies all the while we have such a small , young squd.  If only the board would give arsene enough just to buy those two more experienced players we need to go all the way.''

Then two days before the end of the window one of the board will suddenly find £30 mil which arsene apparently doesn't want to spend.

I love him to bits - but I wish he'd buy a ready made centre back and central midfielder, just to give the youngsters a bit of a chance.  Oops too late for this year.

Still, we are the best team in the country, which is just about enough compensation, I suppose.

LOL and its Newcastle fans that are supposed to be deluded?!!! Exactly which players should we have if they aren't up to scratch??!!  Our first 11 is more than capable of getting Newcastle to where we need to be and what we need to be doing. Our problem is needing a bit more in a couple of areas, but most importantly the depth.  We have been left disgracefully short by the recruitment department and it is currently costing us big time at the minute.

I wouldn't say Ashley was delusional - I genuinely believe in his long term plan, even if following the 'Arsenal model' is being highly optimistic. The problem was that the short term hasn't been/wasn't given enough thought imo. If he was prepared to 'sponsor' Newcastle to the tune of £20m a year then there was certainly no evidence of it in the summer was there?

He may have been delusional thinking that he would be able to run a football club like he does his 'public company' (lol!). It appears poor corporate governance has even bigger consequences in football than it does in business.

Newcastles fate will be the same as that superb Leeds team we all remember under oleary.........i hope.............why ae they adamant that they are a big club?

whats is Newcastles best XI?

Sunderland

You very rarely will get a Newcastle fan coming out with that expression. If the rest of like me I don't give a damn what other fans think. I'm only bothered about my club, and I wish everone else would do the same with theirs.  If challanged on being a big club then they will defend pretty agressively. We have had the what is a big club debate on here loads and I don't think there is one right answer. My own opinion for why Newcastle fans may or may not see their club as being big would be:

Historical - We have a great tradition, and the club has always been a huge part of the citty and the culture. Post war 60k would pack into St James', and obviously nearly at that level seated now. I'll wait for some role out of attendances 'when we were sh1t' with 20k - which there are many reason for and any question that it brings of loyalty can be blown away by attendance increasing with a relegation. I was also there today with about 50,000 others and we were sh1t then and still there.

Recent times - How many clubs have been the PL for all but 1 of the sesason? I'd guess 12 ish? So that puts us in the top 12 of all the professional clubs in the country. Not too bad. On the field it makes us more successful than Leeds, Notts Forrest, Leicester, Sheff Wed etc. All with a decent arguement for being a 'big club'.

Fan Base - I love all this number of supporters in the world bs, but, at the end of the day its about bums on seats and we are right up there for that.

Financial - One of the highest turnoveers in club football in the world.

Player stature - Shearer when best striker in Europe,  MO (in name only maybe), Ginola, Keegan, Gascoigne. We have had some top top players play for the club.

The final one is wages, which the more I think about it the more I believe is a big issue is for NUFC fans (maybe all fans). I don't have my football finance report to hand at the moment but we have a massively high wage bill compared to league position - the worst difference in the league. Obviously there are many reasons why we have high wages (geography, being soft etc etc) but I continously here '£50k a week and you can't pass a football'. Don't get me wrong I don't think paying high wages makes you a big club, but it does make a hard working fan believe that doing so should entitle them to watch quality footballers make their club big in the on the field area.

I appreciate that national radio phone ins and people on sky sports news may make people think Newcastle fans are all loons - but people need to be intelligent enough to realise that all clubs with have sections at the more extreme view point, and that its these people's views that are more likely to make it to media coverage.

IMO... 2 options depending on formation but I'd say:

4-4-2

Given
Bassong/Enrique (weak link)
Collocini
Taylor (weak link)
Beye
N'zogbia
Barton
Guthrie (or Butt changed with either of the CM's - Butt is becoming more of a liability each game though - sadly)
Jonas
Viduka (impact of Oba from the bench)
Owen

4-3-3  (will be difficult to play this season with a fit Jonas imo) Scrap that. Lets go for this at home!! Would be v good attacking football!
Given
Bassong/Enrique (weak link)
Collocini
Taylor (weak link)
Beye
Barton
Guthrie
Jonas
Viduka
Martins
Owen

This is just total rubbish tbh.I ain't going to waste my time repeating what i've already said read my posts if you wish if not fair play but your posts is a loada crap mate.


The problem that you have here is that your thinking that these people actually represent the views of the fans at the club TRUST ME THEY DON'T.Do you seriously think thst any newcastle fan who actually has a clue rings up these ridiculous radio phone ins and sky sports progs it's all idiots ho haven't got  clue and want to be on the tele.I no a lot of the rue die hard fans who do every game and not one has said they'd love shearer as manager.As for these delusions of grandeur although thats a word outside of my vocabulary again your just accepting the copmplete crap that u read in the press.Have a discussion with a proper newcastle fan and you may see that our mindset is actually totally different,we aren't a big club any more we do have the potential to be though and unlike other clubs in the league who are just glad to me there we ask for a little bit more than that;we ask to watch decent football not to win the league to to win a cup just for our team to give 100% and play some decent football.

Pretty sure that whole post was just a waste a time and people will keep posting inaccurate bs but fair enough everyones entitled to there opinion.

PS Oh and cheers for the support kev never thought i'd see that lol Good Man

A United front Mond.... We may convince them yet!

Its just ridiculous though that we're supposedly deluded,People come out with the same old crap for god knows how long but then don't actually have any reason to think that except from the joke articles they read in the daily rags.I don't think i've ever thought we were going to win anything ever since i've been old enough to have any understanding of football except maybe the uefa cup when we got to the qf and ran bad.Everyone of course dreams about it but thats the whole point isn't it ?

How many of your starting XI would get in a top 4 starting XI?

Relevance?! We're not competing with the top 4. One of them might well be before next season.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx7X4cgh3qI&feature=related

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Sorry, only just caught up on this thread.

Comparing the intent behind Taylor's tackle on Eduardo and Guthrie's is utterly ridiculous.  Eduardo's injury was very unfortunate, but Taylor did not intend to hurt Eduardo.  Guthrie tried to hurt Fagan.  If you honestly believe that they are comparable then you're more deluded than some Newcastle fans.

Call me deluded then

Taylor didn't intend to break Eduardo's leg, but he intended to stop him, and didn't care if he took ball, man, or both.  He would have been quite happy to hurt Eduardo, to make playing against him easier for the rest of the game.  It's one of the reasons for tackling.  Hurt the guy and make him your bitch.

Guthries tackle was worse because the only reason for it was frustration.   But I'm still sure that he didn't kick him with the intent of breaking his leg, so the defense is the same.

IMO the consequences of the tackle are as important as the intent behind it.  If I'm speeding, I can get done and get points.  If I speed and hit someone, breaking their ribs, I lose my licence, and possibly suffer a jail sentence.  The consequences are relevant to the outcome, not to the intent.

Guthrie should have suffered more serious consequences than he did, but for that to happen, Taylor needed to be punished more in the first place.

I'm not likening the intent behind the tackles, I'm likening the consequences.

The driving analogy is a good one.

If you are driving 'carelessly' and kill someone (you took your eye off the road for a second for example) you cannot be prosecuted in the same way as someone who is driving 'dangerously' or 'recklessly'.  The sentence you receive is less severe, even though the end result (someone is killed) is the same. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/7641893.stm

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBBK3hMk9Lk

Kinboshi,You seemed offended by kev's point I believe that Carra was a bit thick and seemed to be basing this on the sole fact he's scouse.

Why do you think Newcastle fans are deluded ? Fair enough you couldn't understand what a was saying much of the weekend but I class myself as a "proper" newcastle fan and did i seem deluded to you just wondering were this deluded notion is actually coming from ?? Surely everyone isn't stupid enough to just believe what they read in the press ???

Even the Scottish papers are taking the piss about Newcastle....

Too true...