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bbc sports personality  1st where all the money for rebecca adlington come from 10/10 fav with lewis hamliton 5/4
x factor  why is alexandra burke not 1/10 she is 11/10 to win it she is worlds apart from the others

I'm a bit surprised Chris Hoy is so far out of the reckoning at 4/1, three golds at the one Olympics, how many long until another British athlete repeats that?

I would much rather see Rebecca Adlington anyone win it than Lewis Hamilton, F1 is not my idea of a sport and I didn't think much of how quickly he left the country when the big bucks started heading his way.

I'd be absolutely horrified if Adlington won it. Sure she did great but quite simply Hoy did a lot better.

Plus she's my only loser on my Betfair book. That'll teach me to bet on anything invoving the Great British Public.   ;oopsy;

Would you not do the same to save millions of pounds in tax i no i would and the fact the press are outside his door 24/7 in this country whereas in monte carlo (i think thats we he moved to) the just leave him alone pretty sure most people would do the same thing.I may have a bet on him at that price he will win it imo

Honestly, no I wouldn't leave the UK if I had that sort of income, no matter how much my accountant may beg me to. I am pretty sure that after paying my taxes I could still afford a decent standard of living.

The press attention must be a massive pain in the tits though.

I would've thought much higher standard of living,weather condtions and other aspects such as the lifestyle of living there instead of here also appealed,i'd be off in a shot.

Is it not Switzerland he moved to- and yes I'd do the same along with a lot of other folk- just down to personal choice. People shouldn't be lambasted for it!!!

I think what Hamiltons achieved should put him up there but know a lot of people just dont like him so dunno if he has a chance! My choice is Calzaghe though

I think people need to look at Hamilton 5-10 years ago, the kid who walked up to Ron Dennis and told him he'd win a World Championship for McLaren...and he's delivered on his promise. How many people in sport do that these days? Yeah, he can be a bit arrogant now, but then again so was Schumacher and Alonso - that's the attitude needed for F1 imo.

Most of the people who slam Hamilton are Alonso fan-girls, and they can GTFO. Hamilton > Hoy > Adlington for the Sports Personality.

May well be switzerland yeah either way i'd be off if i where him

lol@ not voting for Hamilton because he moved somewhere else.

His achievement is obviously stunning, as is Adlington's...but Hamilton should win IMO...I am a bit surprised by people jumping on Hamilton in this country...the kid deliveres..end off.

Hamilton has talent, yeah I agree that, but he's not SPOTY. He's racing in a team where it was pretty much expected to be there or there abouts this season.  His car is arguably 2nd best in a world where there's only 12 teams (or whatever it is) in the competition.    Almost like Moomin bragging he's won a two table sit and go :D  He's done great, but he's not exactly come out of the blue this year and fought against the odds to get his title.

Our Olympic gold medalists, imo, deserve it.  Hoy for his complete dominance in the cycling events, but Adlington for a complete out of the blue couple of golds that no one predicted prior to the games.  

This really gets me.

This is his second year in F1, it is a stunning achievement to become worldchampion in ANY sport in only your second year. How much "out of the blue" do you need to get?

Hoy dominated a nothing event...Adlington's achiement was right up there though IMO....I would be happy enough if she wins it.

Britain in track cycling are the equivalent of Ferrari in F1, development and budget wise dependent on the sport.

He wouldn't have won it in a Toyota, Honda, Super Aguru (?) or any other car other than  McLaren or possibly with Ferrari.    He's obviously always been top notch though to get a drive in a first class team.  I bet Coultard would have killed for a drive like that in the last few year.

IMO, and it is just imo, F1 shouldn't really count as so much of it isn't down to the individual involved, but I know lots will argue against that.

Maybe so, but it's still heavily dependent on the person on the bike rather than the team as a whole.

Besides, Adlington would get my vote over Hoy anyway :D

So a footie player should also never win SPOTY?..or anyone playing a team sport?...doesn't make an awful lot of sense to me mate.

Not one person in f1 now whoever was in f1 ever could win it in them cars some not sure what that proves.He is in that car cause he deserves to be,he is already 10x better than what coulthard was.Football is dominated by the big 4 cause they have the most money but the results aren't just down to the individual since how many games do refs have a huge impact on ?

Seriously the gap that britain had in the cycling ahead of every single other time was huge mclaren are still 2nd best to ferrari and bmw and renault (due to alonso) we're competitive

Not if  he runs about on robot legs and is sent instructions on when to take a drink, or when others are doing a bit better than him :D

I'm not anti Lewis, I just don't think his achievement was that great in the grand scheme of sporting achievements this year that's all

How can cycling be a "nothing event" and women's distance swimming not be? I don't take any particular interest in either but I'm willing to guess that men's cycling is a lot more competitive than women's swimming.

What Hoy did was win 3 gold medals at a single olympics which no-one from the UK has ever achieved. This after winning another gold at Athens and then having his event taken away from him. So if it's to be an Olympian it should be him. Comparing his achievement to Hamilton's is almost impossible. For me, 1st Hoy, 2nd Hamilton, 3rd Adlington.

At least it's been a better year for sport than the last couple.

A few of you picked up on what I said about Hamilton leaving the UK, that was not my main reason that he should not be Sports Personality of the year, I just had a personal gripe over the speed of his departure. The main reason he shouldn't be sports personality of the year is that I firmly believe his sporting achievement is lesser than those of Chris Hoy or Rebecca Adlington, and also that I believe F1 to be a pretty sorry excuse for a sport. 

True..Brittain has had an amazing year...Olympics were good, F1 Worldchamp and ManU/Chelski CL final.

All of that +1

Hoy for me.

think your all missing the point of this Alexandra Burke is now 8/15 and still a steel it will pay for this and next christmas

Nah not missing the point. I just can't abide the X Factor & it's ilk. Even if there is money to be made from it.

You're still relying on the public to vote a black girl ahead of a 16 year old blonde boy who burst into tears when the first girl ever to touch his winkie got voted off - which probably isn't an 8/15 shot.

PMFSL

rotflmfao

In an olympic year i reckon any olympian that does really well should win. Lewis can win the world title every year but Hoy has to peak during a one month period that he has trained 4 years for.
Hoy to win please.

he's Scottish, almost no chance of winning

Hamilton will win, but he certainly shouldn't win. Hoy and Addlington by any measure have had a much bigger year, as has Cavendish who if the Beeb covered the TDF would be in the running too.

Rebecca Adlington has a great chance, she will get the fat housewife vote IMO........

Quoted, just incase you sober up and try to delete it ;)

LOL totally sober, just being honest and I know I ain't the slimmest myself ha ha.........

So so true why adlington will win it.Sigh

Hoy should get the Scottish vote...but Murray will get it so Hoy has no chance of winning

Andy murray will win it next year after he nails his first grand slam event.

Yep i would have Murray as favourite for the 09 award at the moment, especially in an odd year where there is no Olympics/Major football tournament. Other contenders may emerge from the Ashes if England are competitive.

I backed Lewis Hamliton months ago. Hoping that The Olympics votes will be split.  8)

I think the key to this is how many non sport followers get involved. I think lewis Hamilton will have it if just a sport following, addlington if it is more of a family type audience.

see thats interesting because I do not equate forumla 1 with sport.

I do when a Brit wins it.  :)

Hoy should win it.  He'll get the sweaty vote and he'd get my vote if I ever bothered voting for this sort of thing.

It'll probably go to Hamilton.

Hamilton had the best car.

Hoy had the best bike.

Ardlington had the best shark suit swim thingy.

So who should win?

Well I'm a big F1 fan so normally Lewis would be my vote. Unfortunately I'm so jealous of his money and that fookin bird he's managed to bag for himself that he's out of the running.

Looks like Ardlington for me. The girl done good and I'll never be jealous of anything she's got.

Didn't the whole of team GB have decent bikes?  Hoy still managed to outshine the rest of the British cyclists.

But that only means he beat the other brits. The olympic cycling was no different in standard to a European or even UK championship because of the bikes.

Similar for Lewis obv. but I think the Ferrari was actually a better car. I think a lot of people underestimate what Lewis has achieved and are far too quick to say "he had the best car". It was the same car that Kovaleinen had and he did sod all in it. Alonso definitely a better driver and will mash it up next year.

Ardlington had a good suit but so did everyone else so I think she deserves it. The records are a bit over valued but beating the rest of the field is some achievement.

And she doesn't go out with a pussycat doll so I'm not jealous of her.

No he beat EVERYONE, including the other Brits.  He was the best cyclist by a country mile.


Hamilton is a very talented driver. I just can't get excited about F1.


Adlington FFS!!  She won two golds, and this was a brilliant achievement.  The second best achievement at the Olympics by a Brit...


Neither does Hoy ;)

You can have a go at swimming and cycliing, you aint geting near an F1 car.

Swimmer ftw.

Great point. ;applause;

http://www.agsformule1.com/en/drive-a-formula-1.php

Costs a bit tho.......

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999 nice going

Surley Lewis Hamilton is too big at 7/2!!!

I mean wtf did adlington do? two golds in what, swimming ffs!!!! who gives a shit about that!!!!!!!! VS youngest ever F1 champion.

I cannot see how those achievments are comprable.



 

Because swimming is an actual sport.

they messed that one up

"right let's sort out the next award..........littlest sports personality"

"you mean youngest"?

"oh shit"

whereas motorSPORT clearly isnt

 ;carlocitrone;

yup

Ben Ainsley is "as regular as the shipping forecast"

Beautiful.

Another beaut from Ms Adlington.

"I woudln't be standing here without my parents"

Alright.. who wasn't moved by the reception Sir Bobby Charlton got...

Indeed..stunning.

p.s. Redknap in the top 4 for Manager of the year? rotflmfao

WTF? British cycling team team of the year? and The olympic team nominated for team of the year?

A; they are not a team, it's an individual sport FFS.

B; How can you seperate the cycling team from the other olympic althletes if you call that a team?


ManU should have pissed that...a sodding disgrace.

Was nice to see Vicky though :)

fair point..she's almost as pretty as Ronaldo

wow she was 3rd come on lewis lets do this

almost
3rd Rebecca, 2nd Lewis!!

OMG tension

Joe ftw

lol wtf??!!!!!!!!!

PMSFL!!!!!!!!

WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!!!!!!!

Thats just fukn sick wtf with the prices  

That is ridic if thats not rigged then newcastle are the biggest football club in the world

It doesn't happen often that Bolt, Monda as I agree on a sport thing...but we do.

Rigged IMO.

The guys won 5 gold medals in a single Olympics

is it cause i is scottish?

Right winner IMO, seems like a top bloke aswell, couldn't vote for Lewis Hamilton, he's already too rich and spoilt and I'm sure thats why others couldn't vote him into top spot aswell.

lewis will win it another year

its only every 4 years some of these guys get any coverage

they will always win it then

Phil Taylor should win it every year!

No you keep forgetting, he won so he's British. He would have been Scottish if he lost though, please don't forget next time :P

Well done the British public. For once. Wish I'd laid Adlington more, so to speak.

The point is r adlington was less than evens lewis was 3's hoy was 10's+ not sure the price on him was but eh whats that about ?

its called the punters got it wrong

Well i am glad that Hoy won, but i was in the anybody but Hamiltion group. I just dislike F1, it is just so god damn boring imo and i think the British public are slowly coming round that point of view. There was a time when Damon Hill won it for finishing 2nd in Championship.

Just seems a bit stange that over £1 million was put on betfair alone and she was less than evens and she would come 3rd i expected to lose on lewis until she was announced as 3rd i will pick that one out my eye later but since this is voted for by the public i believe, i'm just bit suprised at it gg nh wp Chris Hoy

[X] Waiting for Pab/Trigg to say they were on hoy

Hoy was 5/1 when i looked today but drifting all the time as Addlington got stronger and stronger.
Fair result. He got more golds and Lewis can win his event every year.

Note on team of the year. Cyclists were sepeate as they dominated the world championships as well and the olympics gb team obviously didn't go to that.

Odds nothing to do with it, markets are too easily manipulated.   If results were down to the markets, I'd never busto my Betfair account :D

The betting was really strange. After the olympics Adlington became favourite. Then after Hamilton won the Championship he went to heavily odds on. The for some reason 2 weeks ago Adlington came right back into odds-on again. For no reason at all as far as I could see. At that point I was fairly sure my goose was cooked. Fortunately I was wrong.

because two weeks ago was when everyone realised alexandra was gonna win x factor and punters couldnt see the public voting for a black person on consecutive days, neither could i actually.

the public will have a black person as their disposable pop idol but not as there sporting hero.

racist ban for britain IMO!

Phelps not winning Overseas is quite amazing. Though Bolt is waaaaaay more entertaining.

Delighted that Chris Hoy won this tonight, and equally delighted that he seemed genuinely overwhelmed to have done so.

Bobby Charlton's richly deserved lifetime achievement award was another touching moment in the show.

I think most of tonight's awards went to the right recipient, but there really have been some fantastic achievements in British sport in the last 12 months.

Fkkkk my life, had a bucketload on Hamilton. Knew Adlington wouldnt get votes

Get in there Hoy... Had a cheeky punt of him a while ago :)

Right result imo... Send the £££ this way Mr Ladbokes...!

I hate F1 as much as anyone, but Hamilton's achievement this year is far greater than Hoy's IMHO.

How?

Vicky Pendleton would have got my vote if she was on the list.

;kev;

I thought the right people won in all/most of the categories.  Glad to see Hoy (he's British) win.  Tremendous performance at the Olympics and Worlds, and I'm sure the millions Hamilton gets will cushion the blow of him not winning SPOTY.

Best team was obviously between manu and the cycling team.  Glad the cycling team got it ldo.

Little Emily deserved the young personality of the year, although Adlington could have won this as well.

Was also glad Bolt won the overseas one ahead of Phelps, although both were deserving.

Good choice for the coach of the year as well.  No sure what Harry was doing in that short-list though!

 

Lewis Hamilton here looks like some kid who has won a competition to have his photo taken with some sporting celebrities.

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45297000/jpg/_45297341_spotywinners416.jpg)

lolol i had a shedload of dosh on hamilton cos I thought he'd win on popularity but don't know how you can justify his achievement being greater than Hoy's.

Ubertilt at that one...Really, how was the cycling "team" a team? It mainly consisted of individual events! And how can you seperate the cycling team from the rest of team GB? It's almost as stupid as not knowing how many states the US of A has!

All Hamilton did was win his sports main honour for the year (And was a few milli seconds away from not doing that too), which is obviously remarkable in its own right and excellent for British Forumula 1 because its been a while, but Hoy dominated his sport and won more medals than 99.99% of Olympians can ever expect to win at an Olympics. Hoy also has helped promote cycling in Britain and who knows, maybe we will have less fat kids as a direct result.

Plus, to tilt the F1 fans out there, Cycling is a proper sport.

Plus Hamilton is nobbing that bird from the PussyCat Dolls, hes already won enough this year.

Boldie,

I agree with Kin here. The awards are for a years worth of reults, not just the Olympics. The cycling team have wiped the floor with all other nations for over a year now.

They work as a team in many events, with some cyclists forsaking their own individual positions to ensure a Brit wins, for example, setting the right pace for their strongest racer in certain events.

If the basketball, volleyball, hockey team had won their olympic event would they not have been entitled to be considered for the team event in their own right as the Hockey team were a few years back?

Geo

Nice view's

Scots proud to be British this year? :D  ;ifm;

Where there no English, N Irish or Welsh in the cycling team???

Dig all you like Chris, I have often posted here that I consider myself British as well as Scottish.


Geo

agreed..but it's not a team, whereas a basketball team is a team...You also can not say "Team GB nominated in the same category as "Olympic cycling Team GB"...one is part of the other. Team GB should not have been nominated at all as the "olympic team" is not a team. The cycling "team" is made up up people doing their individual events for no other good than their own. There is no scoring system that says "Rebecca Romero's points will be added to Chris Hoy's points and therefore Great Brittain wins the cycling".
Basketball, Volleyball and hockey are played by teams..cycling, in this case, most certainly is not and therefore they should not have been nominated in that cotegory/

lollol maybe cos F1 is the pinnacle of motor sport and so few make it. Cycling, LOL

You've missed a crucial part of Geo's post.  Many of the cycling team had to step aside, and miss out on their best event for the greater good of the team.  In many of the events, only two Brits were allowed to compete.  If it was a completely individual event, then there would have been more Brits reaching the semis, and more medals.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc43/kinboshi/cycling-1.png)

Looks like Team GB are at the top of this table.  Although this doesn't take into account the road cyclists, so should they be included in the 'team' as well or not?

Not like you to post something so ignorant nem.

FYP

he's right, cycling is a joke of a sport

I had money ages ago on Hamilton and Murray. I also did a recent bet on Adlington just in case as the press were full of coverage for her to win it. I saw little mention of Hoy in the run up to win this, how did he do it? I don't begrudge him as deserves the win, but didn't see it coming.

So you're saying, they weren't good enough really and as only two could compete they weren't selected? That doesn't mean that cycling is a team sport all of a sudden, it means that those people weren't good enough to compete with the best at that event. It happens in all sports including athletics....or is that a team event now?


This is the medals table;


This clearly shows that there are only 2 cycling team events that "Team GB" won, the rest are all individual medals (Hell, it's even spelt out in some of the events FFS). That you have someone help you out in the tactics department doesn't make it a team sport. Every athlete will tell you that there is always a team helping him out, loads of athletes work together to ensure one of them gets a result...a team that does not make.

These are individual medals (as clearly shown by the listings)..it therefore can not be counted as a team event in the same way as Basketball, Football, hockey, Rugby etc.


This is the thing that really gets my goat.

Two things here;

Where does it state Team GB in that table? I just see a list of medals per country...I don't see any mention of the word team there.

The last thing;

There is no seperate cycling "team GB"(!), how can you seperate the cyclists as a team from all the other olympic Athletes and say there are two seperate team GBs? This is what the BBC said. "Olympic Team GB" was nominated as was "cycling team GB". How does this make sense?
You can stick up any medal table that states how many medals were won by a nation in any event...but they should make their minds up; You either have 1 team GB, or loads of seperate teams. You can not have it both ways.

Again, there is no such thing as a "team GB" other than in team sports...cycling is not one of them as the medals table and event list clearly shows.

The team did well in the World Championships as well.

Shouldn't you go play on a quiz machine somewhere?

LOL - nearly just posted tl;dr - but thought that comment would tilt you more.

;)

Not meant to be serious. Sorry if you took offence.

You're not wrong... ..ok ..have to go kick the neighbour's cat now.

None taken as my post was meant to show.

Geo

Group Team hug...

an interesting aspect of the hoy win is that if you'd approached people in the street who hadn't seen the list of 10 finalists and asked them who they thought should win I'd imagine that very few would come up with his name.

the voting format suited him perfectly as people looked through the list of 10 and remembered the bloke that won 3 golds

the whole thing is wrong personailty?
its sports person of the year

if it was personality then it wouldnt be results based

personality noun (personalities) 1 a person's nature or disposition; the qualities that give one's character individuality. 2 strength or distinctiveness of character • lots of personality. 3 a well-known person; a celebrity. 4 (personalities) offensive personal remarks. 5 psychol all the physical, mental and emotional characteristics of an individual as an integrated whole, especially as they are presented to others.
ETYMOLOGY: 14c: from Latin personalitas, from persona person.

I think they're using no. 3 rather than no. 2

i stand by the statement i made earlier

Chris Akabusi FTW!!!!!!

i agree

I've just been having a look around regarding the whole is it a team isn't it debate.
Apparently U.S. Postal Service Pro Cycling Team won the 1999 Tour De France but Lance Armstrong is claiming to have won it too?
Maybe an individual can win a team event or vice versa.
So Hoy wins Gold in the Keirin on behalf of the cycling team and team gb.
Team GB is a just a big group of athletes that come together for the olympics to compete to win medals on behalf of one team.
Cycling Team are obviously part of that team for the olympics but usually seperate and trained by the fella that won coach of the year but work together throughout the year to win individual awards.

Like it or not it's how the BBC saw it and is it that hard to see how they could see it like that?

us postal did win the team event in tour de france which is based on top 3 finishers

same as f1. both an individual and a team sport at the same time

Based on the top 3 INDIVIDUAL finishers?
So if the British individual cyclists won most medals then the team could still be the best team even though they don't compete as one all the time?

Just throwing it out there, if you like it you can keep it, if you don't you can go ahead and throw it right back

But I think if you asked 10 people who had at least a passing interest in sport most would have nominated Hoy as his was, IMO, the finest sporting achievement of the year. Which is, as the organisers said, the only criteria to be judged on.

He also happens to be a decent fella which is no bad thing.

What about the odds for next year?? I reckon it's a straight fight between Lewis Hamilton & Andy Murray.

All the argument of "well hamiltons superior technology won him the championship" has to apply to Hoyes and the doris, britain bought the olympics in the cycling, same as Mclaren bought the F1 title, based on that, it was always gonnna come down to who related most to the general public, and a white working class scot was always going to win over an ugly woman and a coloured person.

Murray would be my fave, if he wins a grand slam it is going to take something to beat him. The pure fact that this would be something no mens tennis players has achieved in generations would be a major selling point.

No olympics, major footie tourneys or ryder cup rules out some tradational contenders. It is the Ashes in this country next year, so an England cricketer may well be in contention.

murray is a cast iron lock, Im already trying to build my portfolio to get him in as much as possible.

fyp

Looking at next year Murray has a great chance if he can win a grand slam and Hamilton if he wins the title again.
I'm going to tip David Haye though.

David Haye will struggle to win it.  He fights on Setanta.

Isnt that a banned substance?

Hamilton  5/2
Murray  7/2
Haye  8/1
Flintoff, Pietersen  10/1
Hatton  12/1
Radcliffe  16/1
Khan, Idowu, Poulter, Westwood, Panesar, Hoy  20/1

Not sure if you're fishing, but anyway, road racing is very much a team sport, tactics are planned for the whole stage, which is why it is seen as a team event, where the team work to get an individual to win the overall event.

I do struggle however to see how the olympic cycling team could be a team? Clearly they entered a number of individual events, or pairs or four man events. So any of those could have been a team, but not the whole cycling squad which never at any point raced as a team.

Just my 2c.

LMFAO @ 20/1 Poulter.

If Monty discovers how to turn the ball again he might be with a shout simply because he's so likeable...

you'll actually top yourself if he wins won't you kev?

FACT !



Ashes year, but then again we are so shit I cant see it being a cricketer.

As I was typing out the prices I thought 'This will make Kev choke on his Frosties'.