bbc sports personality & x factor

[boldie]

Vicky Pendleton would have got my vote if she was on the list.



I thought the right people won in all/most of the categories.  Glad to see Hoy (he's British) win.  Tremendous performance at the Olympics and Worlds, and I'm sure the millions Hamilton gets will cushion the blow of him not winning SPOTY.

Best team was obviously between manu and the cycling team.  Glad the cycling team got it ldo.

Little Emily deserved the young personality of the year, although Adlington could have won this as well.

Was also glad Bolt won the overseas one ahead of Phelps, although both were deserving.

Good choice for the coach of the year as well.  No sure what Harry was doing in that short-list though!

 

Ubertilt at that one...Really, how was the cycling "team" a team? It mainly consisted of individual events! And how can you seperate the cycling team from the rest of team GB? It's almost as stupid as not knowing how many states the US of A has!

Boldie,

I agree with Kin here. The awards are for a years worth of reults, not just the Olympics. The cycling team have wiped the floor with all other nations for over a year now.

They work as a team in many events, with some cyclists forsaking their own individual positions to ensure a Brit wins, for example, setting the right pace for their strongest racer in certain events.

If the basketball, volleyball, hockey team had won their olympic event would they not have been entitled to be considered for the team event in their own right as the Hockey team were a few years back?

Geo

agreed..but it's not a team, whereas a basketball team is a team...You also can not say "Team GB nominated in the same category as "Olympic cycling Team GB"...one is part of the other. Team GB should not have been nominated at all as the "olympic team" is not a team. The cycling "team" is made up up people doing their individual events for no other good than their own. There is no scoring system that says "Rebecca Romero's points will be added to Chris Hoy's points and therefore Great Brittain wins the cycling".
Basketball, Volleyball and hockey are played by teams..cycling, in this case, most certainly is not and therefore they should not have been nominated in that cotegory/

You've missed a crucial part of Geo's post.  Many of the cycling team had to step aside, and miss out on their best event for the greater good of the team.  In many of the events, only two Brits were allowed to compete.  If it was a completely individual event, then there would have been more Brits reaching the semis, and more medals.



Looks like Team GB are at the top of this table.  Although this doesn't take into account the road cyclists, so should they be included in the 'team' as well or not?

Many of the team had to step aside and miss their best event for the greater good

So you're saying, they weren't good enough really and as only two could compete they weren't selected? That doesn't mean that cycling is a team sport all of a sudden, it means that those people weren't good enough to compete with the best at that event. It happens in all sports including athletics....or is that a team event now?


This is the medals table;

GOLD
Nicole Cooke, Women's Road Race

Chris Hoy, Men's Sprint
Chris Hoy, Keirin
Victoria Pendleton, Sprint
Rebecca Romero, Individual Pursuit
Bradley Wiggins, Individual Pursuit
Men's Team Pursuit (Wiggins, Clancy, Thomas, Manning)

Men's Team Sprint (Hoy, Kenny, Staff)

 

SILVER
Ross Edgar, Men's Keirin

Wendy Houvenaghel, Women's Individual Pursuit

Jason Kenny, Men's Sprint

Emma Pooley, Women's Road Time Trial

 

BRONZE

Steven Burke, Men's Individual Pursuit

Chris Newton, Men's Points Race

This clearly shows that there are only 2 cycling team events that "Team GB" won, the rest are all individual medals (Hell, it's even spelt out in some of the events FFS). That you have someone help you out in the tactics department doesn't make it a team sport. Every athlete will tell you that there is always a team helping him out, loads of athletes work together to ensure one of them gets a result...a team that does not make.

These are individual medals (as clearly shown by the listings)..it therefore can not be counted as a team event in the same way as Basketball, Football, hockey, Rugby etc.

Looks like Team GB are at the top of this table.  Although this doesn't take into account the road cyclists, so should they be included in the 'team' as well or not?

This is the thing that really gets my goat.

Two things here;

Where does it state Team GB in that table? I just see a list of medals per country...I don't see any mention of the word team there.

The last thing;

There is no seperate cycling "team GB"(!), how can you seperate the cyclists as a team from all the other olympic Athletes and say there are two seperate team GBs? This is what the BBC said. "Olympic Team GB" was nominated as was "cycling team GB". How does this make sense?
You can stick up any medal table that states how many medals were won by a nation in any event...but they should make their minds up; You either have 1 team GB, or loads of seperate teams. You can not have it both ways.

Again, there is no such thing as a "team GB" other than in team sports...cycling is not one of them as the medals table and event list clearly shows.

[kinboshi]

The team did well in the World Championships as well.

[boldie]

The team did well in the World Championships as well.

Shouldn't you go play on a quiz machine somewhere?

[kinboshi]

The team did well in the World Championships as well.

Shouldn't you go play on a quiz machine somewhere?

LOL - nearly just posted tl;dr - but thought that comment would tilt you more.

[NoflopsHomer]

Vicky Pendleton would have got my vote if she was on the list.



I thought the right people won in all/most of the categories.  Glad to see Hoy (he's British) win.  Tremendous performance at the Olympics and Worlds, and I'm sure the millions Hamilton gets will cushion the blow of him not winning SPOTY.

Best team was obviously between manu and the cycling team.  Glad the cycling team got it ldo.

Little Emily deserved the young personality of the year, although Adlington could have won this as well.

Was also glad Bolt won the overseas one ahead of Phelps, although both were deserving.

Good choice for the coach of the year as well.  No sure what Harry was doing in that short-list though!

 

Ubertilt at that one...Really, how was the cycling "team" a team? It mainly consisted of individual events! And how can you seperate the cycling team from the rest of team GB? It's almost as stupid as not knowing how many states the US of A has!

Boldie,

I agree with Kin here. The awards are for a years worth of reults, not just the Olympics. The cycling team have wiped the floor with all other nations for over a year now.

They work as a team in many events, with some cyclists forsaking their own individual positions to ensure a Brit wins, for example, setting the right pace for their strongest racer in certain events.

If the basketball, volleyball, hockey team had won their olympic event would they not have been entitled to be considered for the team event in their own right as the Hockey team were a few years back?

Geo

Scots proud to be British this year?  

Where there no English, N Irish or Welsh in the cycling team???

Dig all you like Chris, I have often posted here that I consider myself British as well as Scottish.


Geo

Not meant to be serious. Sorry if you took offence.

[boldie]

The team did well in the World Championships as well.

Shouldn't you go play on a quiz machine somewhere?

LOL - nearly just posted tl;dr - but thought that comment would tilt you more.

You're not wrong... ..ok ..have to go kick the neighbour's cat now.

[Geo the Sarge]

Vicky Pendleton would have got my vote if she was on the list.



I thought the right people won in all/most of the categories.  Glad to see Hoy (he's British) win.  Tremendous performance at the Olympics and Worlds, and I'm sure the millions Hamilton gets will cushion the blow of him not winning SPOTY.

Best team was obviously between manu and the cycling team.  Glad the cycling team got it ldo.

Little Emily deserved the young personality of the year, although Adlington could have won this as well.

Was also glad Bolt won the overseas one ahead of Phelps, although both were deserving.

Good choice for the coach of the year as well.  No sure what Harry was doing in that short-list though!

 

Ubertilt at that one...Really, how was the cycling "team" a team? It mainly consisted of individual events! And how can you seperate the cycling team from the rest of team GB? It's almost as stupid as not knowing how many states the US of A has!

Boldie,

I agree with Kin here. The awards are for a years worth of reults, not just the Olympics. The cycling team have wiped the floor with all other nations for over a year now.

They work as a team in many events, with some cyclists forsaking their own individual positions to ensure a Brit wins, for example, setting the right pace for their strongest racer in certain events.

If the basketball, volleyball, hockey team had won their olympic event would they not have been entitled to be considered for the team event in their own right as the Hockey team were a few years back?

Geo

Scots proud to be British this year?  

Where there no English, N Irish or Welsh in the cycling team???

Dig all you like Chris, I have often posted here that I consider myself British as well as Scottish.


Geo

Not meant to be serious. Sorry if you took offence.

None taken as my post was meant to show.

Geo

[kinboshi]

Group Team hug...

[gatso]

an interesting aspect of the hoy win is that if you'd approached people in the street who hadn't seen the list of 10 finalists and asked them who they thought should win I'd imagine that very few would come up with his name.

the voting format suited him perfectly as people looked through the list of 10 and remembered the bloke that won 3 golds

[Ironside]

the whole thing is wrong personailty?
its sports person of the year

if it was personality then it wouldnt be results based

[gatso]

the whole thing is wrong personailty?
its sports person of the year

if it was personality then it wouldnt be results based

personality noun (personalities) 1 a person's nature or disposition; the qualities that give one's character individuality. 2 strength or distinctiveness of character • lots of personality. 3 a well-known person; a celebrity. 4 (personalities) offensive personal remarks. 5 psychol all the physical, mental and emotional characteristics of an individual as an integrated whole, especially as they are presented to others.
ETYMOLOGY: 14c: from Latin personalitas, from persona person.

I think they're using no. 3 rather than no. 2

[Ironside]

i stand by the statement i made earlier

[bolt pp]

Chris Akabusi FTW!!!!!!

[Ironside]

Chris Akabusi FTW!!!!!!

i agree

[Josedinho]

I've just been having a look around regarding the whole is it a team isn't it debate.
Apparently U.S. Postal Service Pro Cycling Team won the 1999 Tour De France but Lance Armstrong is claiming to have won it too?
Maybe an individual can win a team event or vice versa.
So Hoy wins Gold in the Keirin on behalf of the cycling team and team gb.
Team GB is a just a big group of athletes that come together for the olympics to compete to win medals on behalf of one team.
Cycling Team are obviously part of that team for the olympics but usually seperate and trained by the fella that won coach of the year but work together throughout the year to win individual awards.

Like it or not it's how the BBC saw it and is it that hard to see how they could see it like that?