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Title: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Rod Paradise on June 15, 2009, 02:38:00 PM New Tranmere boss John Barnes today proved his fine football tallent spotting skills when he appointed educationally challenged Jason "Trigger" McAteer as his assistant manager.
rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao This will all no doubt end in nearly as much farce as a Laxie RSQ. Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: boldie on June 15, 2009, 03:43:21 PM lol..relegation for Tranmere then.
And then probably back to Celtic as he managed to get a club relegated :) Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: TightEnd on June 15, 2009, 03:43:40 PM Banres is an odd appointment as Ronnie Moore had Tranmere 1 off a play off spot at the end of last season on comparatively slight resources
McAteer smacks of an appointment, given his Tranmere track record and Liverpool upbringing, to give the new manager PR some populist cover if it starts slowly..keep the crowd onside Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Rod Paradise on June 15, 2009, 03:44:34 PM lol..relegation for Tranmere then. And then probably back to Celtic as he managed to get a club relegated :) Barnes would NEVER be welcome back. Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: boldie on June 15, 2009, 03:53:39 PM lol..relegation for Tranmere then. And then probably back to Celtic as he managed to get a club relegated :) Barnes would NEVER be welcome back. I know, I know...but you just wait until he gets Tranmere to play beautiful footie for a few seasons...then they'll get relegated and he'll be back home @Celtic Park :) Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: TheChipPrince on June 15, 2009, 03:53:59 PM Banres is an odd appointment as Ronnie Moore had Tranmere 1 off a play off spot at the end of last season on comparatively slight resources McAteer smacks of an appointment, given his Tranmere track record and Liverpool upbringing, to give the new manager PR some populist cover if it starts slowly..keep the crowd onside ''Long-ball, stick it up 'em'' approach worked very well for Ronnie, made the most of what he had, very strange in that a lot of Tranmere fans know/knew this, and were happy as there not an impatient bunch generally, some I know were gobsmacked with his sacking... Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Acidmouse on June 15, 2009, 04:01:59 PM Didn't they say he was sacked as the crowds had gone down by 30-40% under him?
Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: cambo on June 15, 2009, 05:25:52 PM lol..relegation for Tranmere then. And then probably back to Celtic as he managed to get a club relegated :) Barnes would NEVER be welcome back. wat wat wat are you kidding on? i attend the john barnes appreciation society annually guest speaker this year was rafael scheidt, with a speech entilted 'the hoops plastered with scheidt - my time at celtic' Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: boldie on June 15, 2009, 05:26:25 PM lol..relegation for Tranmere then. And then probably back to Celtic as he managed to get a club relegated :) Barnes would NEVER be welcome back. wat wat wat are you kidding on? i attend the john barnes appreciation society annually guest speaker this year was rafael scheidt, with a speech entilted 'the hoops plastered with scheidt - my time at celtic' lol Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Indestructable on June 15, 2009, 09:41:15 PM Good luck to him, in hindsight a terrible decision to take the Celtic job but this could be a good move to get back in to football.
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0jdsPZmOWM Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: boldie on June 15, 2009, 09:45:18 PM As long as it keeps him from hosting any sports programs, I'm a happy man.
Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Longy on June 15, 2009, 11:57:28 PM As long as it keeps him from hosting any sports programs, I'm a happy man. QFT Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Rod Paradise on June 15, 2009, 11:59:22 PM Good luck to him, in hindsight a terrible decision to take the Celtic job but this could be a good move to get back in to football. Hell of a hindsight. ;dingdell; Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: david3103 on June 17, 2009, 01:11:46 PM Good luck to him, in hindsight a terrible decision to take the Celtic job but this could be a good move to get back in to football. YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0jdsPZmOWM if ever a man could be said to have carved oiut a career from one early moment.... Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: sweet potata! on June 17, 2009, 01:50:41 PM Good luck to him, in hindsight a terrible decision to take the Celtic job but this could be a good move to get back in to football. YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0jdsPZmOWM if ever a man could be said to have carved oiut a career from one early moment.... Elaborate on that please.Thanks Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: boldie on June 17, 2009, 02:06:16 PM Good luck to him, in hindsight a terrible decision to take the Celtic job but this could be a good move to get back in to football. YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0jdsPZmOWM if ever a man could be said to have carved oiut a career from one early moment.... Ladies and Gentlemen...I give you.............. YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cHM31XoXMg Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: david3103 on June 17, 2009, 02:30:00 PM Good luck to him, in hindsight a terrible decision to take the Celtic job but this could be a good move to get back in to football. YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0jdsPZmOWM if ever a man could be said to have carved oiut a career from one early moment.... Elaborate on that please.Thanks England * 1983-1995 79 caps 12 goals Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Rod Paradise on June 17, 2009, 02:44:32 PM No, I'm no fan of Barnes as a manager, a commentator or even a person, but he was a great footballer & earned his playing career by being DAMN good.
Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: david3103 on June 17, 2009, 03:09:17 PM My initiial point was that 'the goal against Brazil' was his high point. By a long distance.
He was good, I'll grant you. Great? No. Joined a Liverpool set-up that was still near the peak of their era and made his contribution. I don't think that makes him a great outside of Liverpool. This is not anti-Liverpool sentiment, more that he was consitstently disappointing for England. Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Indestructable on June 17, 2009, 08:09:27 PM And we shouldn't forget his contribution to the muisc industry.
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kcy3gwwxat4 YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uFWGALVF0Y Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: mondatoo on June 17, 2009, 10:10:46 PM Good luck to him, in hindsight a terrible decision to take the Celtic job but this could be a good move to get back in to football. YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0jdsPZmOWM if ever a man could be said to have carved oiut a career from one early moment.... Ladies and Gentlemen...I give you.............. YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cHM31XoXMg Eh ? Level obv yeah Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Amatay on June 17, 2009, 10:18:54 PM No, I'm no fan of Barnes as a manager, a commentator or even a person, but he was a great footballer & earned his playing career by being DAMN good. This same goes for Owen Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: celtic on June 17, 2009, 10:27:08 PM A GREAT footballer? Good yes, GREAT no. Pele was a great, maradona, great, Barnes not great imo.
Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Indestructable on June 17, 2009, 10:32:26 PM On that yardstick of Pele and Maradona, very few players would be considered great. I would go for these two as World class and Barnes as a great player (edit on his day).
Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: The Baron on June 17, 2009, 11:31:27 PM My initiial point was that 'the goal against Brazil' was his high point. By a long distance. He was good, I'll grant you. Great? No. Joined a Liverpool set-up that was still near the peak of their era and made his contribution. I don't think that makes him a great outside of Liverpool. This is not anti-Liverpool sentiment, more that he was consitstently disappointing for England. Uh-huh. "The Liverpool fans adoration for "Digger" was emphasised when he finished in the top 5 of the poll 100 Players Who Shook The Kop which was conducted by the official Liverpool Football Club web site in the summer of 2006. More than 110,000 supporters worldwide voted for their 10 favourite players of all time, Barnes finished 5th behind Robbie Fowler (4th), Ian Rush (3rd), Steven Gerrard (2nd) and the man that signed him thrice for Liverpool, Newcastle and Celtic Kenny Dalglish (1st)." Liverpool fans, who probably watched him the most, therefore rate him higher than Hansen, Keegan, Souness and many other so called "greats". "Twice in his career, Barnes was voted Football Writers' Association Footballer of the Year. He has also won the PFA Players' Player of the Year and is widely regarded as among the most talented players to wear an England shirt. Barnes was inducted into the English Football Hall of Fame in 2005 in recognition of his contribution to the English game." Yes, not great outside of Liverpool. If you think his goal vs Brazil was his highlight then you obviously didn't see enough of him. Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Josedinho on June 17, 2009, 11:39:00 PM Can we have some football superlative guidelines please? I don't want to go around saying Jack Rodwell looks a good player and then leave myself trapped when comparing him to Arteta as i can't call him great because he wouldn't get into an all time World XI
Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Rod Paradise on June 18, 2009, 12:11:12 AM No, I'm no fan of Barnes as a manager, a commentator or even a person, but he was a great footballer & earned his playing career by being DAMN good. This same goes for Owen I'd rate Barnes above Owen for his length of time being a great player at Liverpool, he produced the goods when needed. Owen, meh - at his best he was great, not seen it for years. PS re th great debate - I'd have paid just to watch Barnes playing at his best - that's a great player IMO. Legend status there might an argument. Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: sweet potata! on June 18, 2009, 01:15:54 AM My initiial point was that 'the goal against Brazil' was his high point. By a long distance. He was good, I'll grant you. Great? No. Joined a Liverpool set-up that was still near the peak of their era and made his contribution. I don't think that makes him a great outside of Liverpool. This is not anti-Liverpool sentiment, more that he was consitstently disappointing for England. Uh-huh. "The Liverpool fans adoration for "Digger" was emphasised when he finished in the top 5 of the poll 100 Players Who Shook The Kop which was conducted by the official Liverpool Football Club web site in the summer of 2006. More than 110,000 supporters worldwide voted for their 10 favourite players of all time, Barnes finished 5th behind Robbie Fowler (4th), Ian Rush (3rd), Steven Gerrard (2nd) and the man that signed him thrice for Liverpool, Newcastle and Celtic Kenny Dalglish (1st)." Liverpool fans, who probably watched him the most, therefore rate him higher than Hansen, Keegan, Souness and many other so called "greats". "Twice in his career, Barnes was voted Football Writers' Association Footballer of the Year. He has also won the PFA Players' Player of the Year and is widely regarded as among the most talented players to wear an England shirt. Barnes was inducted into the English Football Hall of Fame in 2005 in recognition of his contribution to the English game." Yes, not great outside of Liverpool. If you think his goal vs Brazil was his highlight then you obviously hate all things Liverpool or you have a poor knowledge of football FYP Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: david3103 on June 18, 2009, 07:03:56 AM whatever
I hadn't realised that all opinions on football had to be verified by quoting wikipedia, but here goes "Barnes continued his international career into the mid 1990s, but it was seen by many as a disappointment." "...he was never seen as a player who peaked when wearing an England shirt...." Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: The Baron on June 19, 2009, 11:51:15 AM whatever I hadn't realised that all opinions on football had to be verified by quoting wikipedia, but here goes "Barnes continued his international career into the mid 1990s, but it was seen by many as a disappointment." "...he was never seen as a player who peaked when wearing an England shirt...." I can list far better players than Barnes who never did it for their country who are considered "greats" by many. Barnes played poorly in a poor England team in the nineties. So did the other 10 players for most of that era post 1990. Opinions weren't verified by Wikipedia, more the accolades he's received.... I listed his recognition by over 100,000 Liverpool fans as one of our best five players ever. Then his recognition from both football writers and fellow players with major awards over several seasons, both of which counts for a lot more than your obvious Man U coated, Liverpool hater opinion. All you've done to support your argument is quote someone's opinion on wikipedia. Clutching at straws methinks. Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: david3103 on June 19, 2009, 01:07:21 PM You're right Baron, John Barnes' Player of the Year awards are fact, as are the 72 caps he won and the however many goals he scored for Liverpool in his finest season. His position in the Liverpool pantheon is secured.
I passed the initial comment on 'that' goal based on my perception of his performances for England after it, and I am sure that many (mostly non-Liverpool fans) would agree with me. As a long-term United supporter I probably do have some bias against Liverpool, but I dare say it's far less than the average Liverpool fan has against United. As a football fan, I watched, and admired, the Liverpool side of the late 70s and supported them as they won their early European Cups. Cheered as wobbly-legged Grobelaar saved penalites against Roma. Even felt pride that an ex-Cobblers player had scored the Liverpool goal, and notched his pen too. I was cheering them on at the pub as they came back in Istanbul, and allthough I wasn't sad to see them lose in 07, I wasn't cheering Milan. Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: The Baron on June 19, 2009, 01:12:43 PM Fair dos.
For the record I saw Utd at Old Trafford a couple of times in Europe in the 2007-2008 season when they went on to win it. Dont tell anyone though. I'm still saying hail marys for the sin. Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: sweet potata! on June 19, 2009, 02:06:13 PM Fair dos. For the record I saw Utd at Old Trafford a couple of times in Europe in the 2007-2008 season when they went on to win it. Dont tell anyone though.I'm still saying hail marys for the sin. Tut Tut Tut. Shame on you Baron! Title: Re: John Barnes as Manager?????? Post by: Rod Paradise on June 19, 2009, 02:53:38 PM For a long time, including the time Barnes was playing though I didn't feel many Liverpool players could show the level of game they had at Liverpool when they got on the international field.
Dalglish - there was a campaign to get him dropped from the Scotland team at one point. He was a great, but he kept playing passes for Rush when Rush wasn't playing. Hansen - while arguably the best Scottish defender in his time, expected a level of understanding from his non-Liverpool teammates that wasn't there - thus leaving holes in the defence - the collision for the USSR goal in Spain being the prime example. So if Barnes is going to be judged by his international play, then he's not being fairly judged. |