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TMZ website has said Michael has died in the last hour of a heart attack

Sky news has reported hes dead

reuters has announced he has died

L A Times now say hes dead

Could this really be true.  :o

BBC news now reporting announcement to follow soon


TMZ link  http://www.tmz.com/

just taken to hospital according to the bbc website

OMG

Sky say he's dead. Yikes

Michael Jackson is HIStory.

Just been told the news by someone in a poker room chatbox

I probably should get out more

had 3 txts saying hes dead canny be true surely

Wow, one of those you don't believe when you first hear about it! Sky news is a fairly reliable source though. I remember doing that with Diana...

Latoya seen running in the hospital in floods of tears = fair bet it's true

Only Sky are saying he's dead (quoting random website) though, tellingly, CNN are just saying he's in hospital though the presenters are all referring to Jacko in the past tense.

wow

lol, Uri Gellar on BBC News already

Yeah I'm listening to that...does seem a bit odd he would do that!

coma....

LA Times, say he's dead. RIP

Proper newspaper >>>> random website.

nah, Simon trumper just called me to tell me he was definitely still alive and would be the first of many celebrity dealers at DTD next month....

Looks genuine news. RIP.  :(

Not at all - we were all on standby for various programmes for sound bites for a week before Jade Goody died. Normal procedure - friends phone list attached to obituary tape which is regularly updated.

Apparently he was overheated and dehydrated after sunbathing all day, but don't blame it on the sunshine,,,,

lol

Jeez bit of a shocker.  RIP Jacko.

Beat it!

Damn, I was waiting to blame it on the boogie

Nice work Sir!

[  ] Invincible

[ X ] HIStory

[X] already done that one

Thats BAD

You are not alone

 Michael Jackson - You healed the world, taught man to look in the mirror and will never be alone. Born, lived and died a legend RIP Michael

He paid people he abused to not say it, really "Healed the world".

hope he finds his maker.

its so sad bbc has confirmed he has died

+1
It sad when anybody dies but I just can't seem to find any symapthy for MJ.
To much smoke for there not to be any fire IMO.

I'll predict now that this thread gets locked at some point. MJ does really seem to split opinion one way or another.

+1 bob

-1 time and place.

+1

thread is starting to mske me seethe. RIP

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l74Y_p6or00  ;)

I say within they hour,your prediction is too easy :)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMN6dNqdDF8   ;)

shamone yourselves for joking about this

Farrah Fawcett died earlier today as well............

PMSL,everyone else stop now cant be beat ( i was nearly an accidental repeat offend).

I was thinking you aren't the type lol wpwp

did she really?  Wow, not heard from her for a while.  RIP Farrah

Odds please on his faked it to get out of financial difficulties and is now living on same island as Elvis, Mountbatton and Jimmy Hoffa...

And Princess Diana or "Dirty" to her friends.

mj is a legend

bad language and in terrible taste



YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h1euQKJsr4

ty sir, i was just thinking to myself what would a 22 year old might say.

Now we will just have to wait for the telling off we get on Tikays diary!

Rumours are now abound that Jeff Goldblum has fallen to his death on a movie set today.

They are dropping like flies.

I'm not sure what a 22 year old would think,as a 23 year old i couldn't help but find it funny under the circumstances.I was suprised at you at your age though

Rip.

I think I am pretty easy going person and have a sick sense of humour, but I find this thread pretty depressing. The lack of respect is stunning

tragic life, a genius who changed music.RIP

and harrison ford

hope these are both hoaxes

lololol

There's some guy on 2p2 who is claiming this is true:

Before his body is cold and in the ground there's going to be loads of hateful things said about this man. Mostly from a position of complete and total ignorance.

Michael Jackson was a legend, may he rest in peace.

Yep, I cringed at some of the posts on this thread. Sad day imo. The world has lost an extraordinary person and an astonishing performer. RIP.

The rumors of Goldblum and Ford's untimely deaths turned out to be false, and were in fact well-known Internet pranks

I won't feel ashamed of myself for not shown any respect to a man who i'm 99.9999999999999% sure has committed some if not all of the crimes he was accused of,if he wasn't a rich A list celeb there is no doubt in my mind he would've spent a very long time in jail and this thread would have a very different tone to it,and the fact the justice system saw fit not to serve him with a guilty verdict doesn't mean he is an innoncent man.

If instead of being born in the UK in the second half of the 20th century you were born in the first half and in Germany, I wonder to how many decimal places you would be 99% sure that the Arian race is superior to all others and that those pesky Jews want shoved in ovens.

The power that the news media has over what we choose to believe is shocking.

No smoke without fire can go and get fucked. I'll keep the trial by jury tyvm, not trial by newspapers who want sensational headlines to shift units.


The fault in this argument is that it assumes guilt. If he was a regular punter, allegations likely wouldn't have been made in the first place.

The courts aren't perfect of course, but I'll take them over the newspapers and it's not close.

best statement on whole thread, yes the bloke was a talented artist, but who is going to cry when Gary Glitter dies? only difference is MJ got away with it.

Surely the nice comments are said from a position of ignorance? They won't be said by other when any other pedophile dies. It's far from what i would call a sad day.

WTF ??? Now i am a racist who hates jew ermm ??? You kinda lost me there tank

I can also assure you, I'm by know way influenced by the shit in the media and have refferred to the bs of people who are in previous posts but your entitled to your opinion.

All "nice" comments seem to have derived from these two axioms...
That the man is dead and he made a tune or two in his time.

Which one represents the ignorance you speak of?

That's not what I was saying at all. I was just making the point that we, all of us, have a tendency to believe something and come to accept it as fact when we hear it often enough.

I want to appeal to everyone who is "sure" of this man's guilt to ask themselves the question why they are sure (bearing in mind that because he acted wierd or because there's no smoke without fire are probably both really shit reasons to condemn someone)
If there's any doubt in your mind then please let him rest in peace.

Sorry dude but this is the most contradictory statement I've ever read.

All of your Jacko opinions whether good are bad come directly from the media. You just have to decide which ones you want to believe.

Unless of course you knew him personally in which case I apologise.

I'm not going to shed a tear for the man.

Much more upset and interested in Neda's death in Iran. 

+1

Did he not pay some kids family off in a 'before it got to court' settlement to the tune of £20 million? Or that more media exageration?

+2

But your position is one of complete knowledge re Michael Jackson and his personal life yeh?

Not strictly true

Some may have come indirectly through conversations with others who themselves have been influenced by the media.

Or as we're talking about opinions and their source, the potential validity of them is largely irrelevant. As such, an opinion on this matter could well have been obtained by any method of divination independant of the media such as looking into a crystal ball or examination of the entrails of a sheep. Deep seated prejudice against people called Michael may also be a source of opinion.

Or indeed, he may have witnessed the crime itself as a third party and chosen not to come forward for fear of his life. Knowing Michael Jackson would not be a pre-requisite.

Certainly not.

I know that I don't know. I know that I enjoyed his work.
That is enough for me to not want to piss on the man today.

Fair play and I agree with you on that. Just think an innocent man wouldn't pay off those accusing him and therefore he'll only be a legend as a performer with me. His personal life hmm

1st text message just hit, un-postable I'd imagine...

"California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger: "Michael was a pop phenomenon who never stopped pushing the envelope of creativity. Though there were serious questions about his personal life, Michael was undoubtedly a great entertainer and his popularity spanned generations and the globe."

That pretty much sums it up for me RIP

+3

But I'm not going to shed a tear because he's not a relative, he's not a friend and I didn't know him in any way.


FWIW

I think sums it up also, but it's not like he's made any truly great music for years - so from a personal or an entertainment point of view I don't see it being worth all the fuss.

Never have I seen so much bollocks on one thread. Pretty much lol for a good while at the Nazi reference (O'rly?) to this and how it is somehow the same as people knowing Jacko had a little fiddle.

lol at the 'he's innocent because he was not convicted in a court" comment. It's America, fame can get you out of many situations. If that fails pay the poor family 20million to shut up.

Of course we get our views from the media, the bashia do cumentry, the civil court cases, the ex workers confessions of his bizarre behaviour, there is no doubt (it was a given fact in the court case against him) he took young boys back to his house and got pissed with them.

Yes it's sad for his family he died, but ffs people making out its a massive thing and that its a great loss for this recluse to have died. Get real.

thread should be locked imo

Put the spoon away Cambo, the topic is being debated civilly imo, no one is being personally flamed ... someone like Jacko is bound to split opinions.


If the thread upsets you, dont open it.


And for those that wish to post on it ... just remember the flaming rules etc... 

On this we agree

BBC 24's coverage of this is ridic OTT. I tuned in at around 3am this morning to see them talk to Asian correspondent for her to pontificate about how Jacko's death was going to affect people in the east. This interview was interrupted for them to go live to pictures of a helicopter that was to be taking Jackson's body across town to the coroner.

Not worried about it being in poor taste, just irrelevant when taking up so much of their airtime.
Someone has died = news, give an obituary and that, include it in the bulletins fair enough, but the blanket OTT coverage pisses me off.

You aint seen nothing yet,  just wait until Yazz pops it!  :D

24 hour news culture tank ... its one of the downsides.

I agree with Tank in this debate. The abuse allegation was brought to the table by Jordan Chandler's Dad...over a year after the abuse supposedly happened...Michael Jackson's legal team settled with Jordan Chandler's legal team for $22million. I reckon the only abuse to be found here would have been in the meeting between the Dad and the 2 legal teams when they decided what figure to sting Jackson for and how to carve it up amongst themselves. With that much easy money on the table I would humbly suggest corruption is inevitable. Chandler's Dad would never accept money if he believed his son had been abused. Would any of you guys accept money if your child had been abused?? Jackson died skint. He sure got the right advice from the people around him who obv always had his best interests at heart.

lol... just lol

Well I'm shocked and amazed, never thought this would ever happen....

A thread started by thecrow that others are taking part in!

On a slightly more descriptive note.

If you were in that position and offered a $1m then you'd say no
if they then offered $2m - and you said no
they then offered $4m - and you said no
then $8m - and you said no

Are you saying it's entirely unfeasible that they couldn't get to a figure that eventually would keep you and your extended family financially secure for life plus plenty left over for luxuries - and you'd never give in?

If your son was sexually abused Jon, how many luxuries would need to be offered before you gave in?

Guys

Its a tricky thread in places.

I've deleted one of the very close to the bone tasteless post death jokes, just now

Time and a place and all that I think, lets not stretch the boundaries of good taste on here please

If I had a child and some paedo had fiddled with him / her I guarantee that I would want the c**t dead.

If that wasn't possible then locked up for ever.

No amount of money would ever be enough unless I was going to use it to hire a hitman to kill the twat.

However. If I was a deceitful bastard with no morals who's son happened to know a rich person who was open to a cheeky bit of extortion then yes I believe there's a figure I would settle at. I probably wouldn't care about facts or anything like that, as long as my son hadn't actually been abused then just the cash would do.

If you had a choice between being poor and possibly losing your home if you ever lost your job - but the abuser would get sent to prison

or

Being financially secure and not having to worry about money, and your children not ever having to worry about money, and possibly their children never having to worry about money - but he doesn't get sent to prison

you'd still rather he went to prison?

What is justice?
If his payout ensures you're safe from any recession and you're never going to go hungry or homeless or have to rely on benefits - doesn't that count as atonement?
Or does justice have to equal punishment and revenge?

Isn't a payoff a much more constructive way of atoning than being locked up?

MJ obv had a "suspicious" relationship with children but this does not mean he necessarily abused them.

It was never proven in court and I find it a contradiction that people say if he was innocent he wouldn't pay the money- If he was guilty surely the parents shouldn't have accepted the money?

I personally agree with Matt- I would want him dead or locked away so he could never do it again and no amount of money would change that.

No

Geo

in answer to that specifically - I haven't given an opinion, I've just asked questions.

personally my view is similar to EvilPie's

I'm pretty sure we've had the 'was Michael Jackson guilty' debate on here before.  No one's going to change their beliefs on that one, and truth is no one but the accused or Michael Jackson knows 100% whether those allegations were well-founded.  Rest of this is all my opinion, of course.

I don't think he was guilty.  I think he was a strange man.  He had no childhood to speak of, and he forged what were perhaps unwise and certainly naive friendships with young children in his adult life as in many ways he was a child himself.  Settling out of court with the Chandlers was not, imo, an admission of guilt.  Whatever your views, imagine for a minute that you are in MJs shoes and guilty of nothing more than forming a friendship with a boy that is not considered 'normal' for a man of your age.  God knows what kind of stress something like that would put on your personal life.  You might also feel a lot of sympathy for your friend being put through the ordeal, particularly if you thought his parents were the puppet masters.  You just might think it's worth paying to make it go away.

As Mantis said - if those parents truely believed Jackson had absued their son, no amount of money would persuade them to 'settle' out of court.  Their sole aim would be to get the case heard in court, and to do everything in their power to ensure that their son's abuser was put in jail and no one else suffered.

Maybe we'll never know the truth, maybe we will.  Whatever the case, being Michael Jackson must have been a hell of a burden a lot of the time.  I hope he's at rest.

It was a civil case, it was not a case of going to get locked up or not. He paid him off in the civil action brought against him.  So people posting on here saying the parents should not have accepted the money but instead push to get him sent down need to stop, its irrelevent.

Surely if they won the civil case instead of settling it would lead to legal action?

No.

this was me i think, but I he doesn't deserve this coverage after what he has done he doesnt deserve to be protected. Again would this topic be different if Gary Glitter had died?

There's rarely a time and a place for bad taste jokes about paedophilia

This certainly isn't the forum for them. Thanks

So basically if there's civil action there's never any criminal repurcussions afterward?

The two are totally different. You see many civil cases brought against people who have been proven innocent in a court case.

my understanding is that it was a civil case as there was no evidence to pursue a criminal investigation

if there was evidence they would've strung him up, there wasn't so they didn't

instead some people decided to take advantage of a very naive, very rich man

If the civil case lead to new evidence being uncovered then that could make a difference.

But otherwise no.

IMO

if the chandlers had never accepted the money then it would have gone to court and the chances of MJ being found guilty VVV slim,

so the parents had a choice quite a simple 1 really go to court or take the $$$,

but I know if I was accused of abuse against a child i would fight all the way to clear my name,

paying the victim off just leaves it wide open for the rumour mills to start and everyone will always question it..

Yes becasue MJ didn't have loads of lawyers to help him obv. He was tricked into paying the money and was the victim in all this.

A guilty verdict, and the abuser exposed to the world, would be the same result whichever court the case was heard in. Unless of course that wasn't your motivation when bringing the case to the table,

The burden of proof is much lower in a civil case. A criminal case needs to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt whereas a civil case merely needs to show it is more likely that the defendent did do it than he didn't.

lol, the lawyers sure didn't exploit him more than anyone else

I must be living in a different world. A world where I don't try and defend mega rich celebrities who think they can do anything they want and pay people to do so. A world where I don't pretend I am upset when someone I don't know dies.

Guilty or not he was a right tool who used his celebrity status to go things that are at least questionable and at worst immoral and illegal.

you cannot seperate the questionable personal life from the outstanding entertainment? He's surely an iconic figure for the latter?

changing tack slightly

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The death of Michael Jackson will surely go down in history as the first "very" famous death of the Twitter generation. When these 20-somethings are 50-something (it isn't far away, kids, even if you think that it is) they will be able to look back and say "And where were you when your mobile twitter feed told you that Michael Jackson was dead?

A piece of news that was too late for many of the early editions of UK papers is now old hat.

Many of those youngsters (many tens of thousands, in fact) will say "ahh yes, I was at Glastonbury that year", with perhaps one or two adding that "It flooded, of course, despite two weeks of fantastic weather beforehand. Springsteen and Neil Young were still alive then, but I mainly remember it being the debut for Dame Louise Golbey. Of course, she was a youngster then, rather than a Dame, not the world megastar that she is today".

Just playing devils advocate - would we have a similar thread if Gary Glitter died on the basis that he was an outstanding entertainer in his day?

I think the impact of Jackson's music/popularity/cultural significance..as a performer...is so far ahead of Glitter's that my answer to that is no. Sure there would be a thread

Glitter was also convicted, and I beleive admitted offences and was stunningly unrepentant ever since. Jackson was never convicted, though convicted or not the personal life was at best highly questionable

Yep - I heard it first on twitter.

The conversation on twitter is now "Who should Martin Bashir interview next?".

Oh COME ON!!!







come on  ;hide;

Although this is apparently true, I have often wondered how it is applied in practice.  

correction, Glitter still maintains his innocence but has been convicted twice of offences

If he had 2 of the best selling albums of all time, countless no.1 hits in multiple countries around the world and had a carrer spanning around 40 years despite only being 50 years old then yes Cos, I believe we would.

Also Jackson's significantly generous charity work throughout his life is buried under all of this. There should be recognition of that. Glitter's only intention was to exploit children. And he couldn't moonwalk.

Tying it back into the thread earlier, the jokes and comments that some people find questionable were much quicker this time. Usually they do the rounds on emails (which a lot of people won't read till the next day) or texts (which take a while to propagate as they are sent on a one-to-one basis) whereas Twitter is an instant one-to-many communication tool.

Also, many people would have first heard about the news from Twitter - news spreading much quicker than even the rolling news channels could provide. Power of the people and all that.

Last night was probably the first and only time that the jukebox in the Good Mixer in Camden was playing wall-to-wall Michael Jackson tunes.

I'm not saying I disagree Matt. In fact I could never do anything but agree wholeheartedly with you as you are my idol.

However, a lot of people (i include myself in this bracket) will find it hard that everyone is just saying 'RIP, RIP, legend etc' when his personal life was very questionable and this thread has become an outlet for these people too.

Things with Children are the lowest of the low though and I hope Gary Glitter rots in hell.

I think people are ascribing a set of morals to Chandler senior that I personally doubt he held. As a parent he put his son in the position he found himself.

There are sick people in this world.

and what evidence are you basing this on?

Well second sentence would be a start.

My thoughts exactlty.

In relation to the media being the only info i have,i believe it's fact that he did pay at least one person off and also that he had children staying at his house unsupervised in his room, any parent that would allow there child to stay at his house shocks me.The excuse that he was just naive isn't an acceptable one to me and am sure it wouldn't be if it was an "average joe" behaving in this way.

I have said this twice and no replys

Some views have been given above

Just out of interest if he had been found guilty,should we still say he was a legend/icon and appreciate his talent and so on inspite of that?,just wondering

Probably. I would contend irrespective of his personal life, guilty or rumoured, that he was an iconic figure

Doesn't mean he is an iconic figure you have to like, respect or appreciate..but he's still that I think

Of course he's an iconic figure. 

Harold Shipman, Hitler, Mao, Saddam, Mother Teresa - they are all iconic figures as well.

I am beginning to think I must be very odd.  What is it with people who worship others to the extent that it causes so much controversy and media coverage.

OK Michael Jackson became famous because he had a gift and made a lot of money and because of his naivety he lost most of it. So what,  he is was a human being and lived and died. May he rest in peace.

What has annoyed me about the media coverage is last night I heard on Sky News about 10pm that he had been taken to hospital with cardiac arrest and from that moment on, there was NO OTHER NEWS, only Michael Jackson!
I turned over to BBC and guess what Michael bloody Jackson.  When I went to bed at 2am it was still only Michael bloody Jackson and when I got up this morning guess what!

I cannot understand this hero worshiping thing.  Yes, I like a lot of gifted people and admire their work but hero worship No!

May he rest in peace with the others who died recently like Farah Fawcett and those who were really ill and sufferring and let get back to normality.

Guilty or not she was a right do-gooder who used her celebrity status to go things that are at least charitable and at worst immoral and illegal.

FACT!

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lol..

So we had the "king" of pop and A king of the Gypsies both die on the same day

I knew neither of them but i know given the chance which 1 I would most like to have met.

RIP Tom McCready

bbc seem to be trying to interview everybody who's ever heard a jacko song.

THIS.

She was an evil woman.

jackson was average  sir cliff ftw

Mother Theresa?   There's a book about it all isn't there - worth a read?  (obv you need to tell me what it is if it's worth reading ;) )

The Missionary Position.

Use the blondepoker affiliate link if you're going to buy it on Amazon :)up

lol

She did a great deal of good to a lot of deprived youngsters in and around Calcutta. But also did a sideline in sweatshops :s

So I'm neutral on her.

That's all I know about her. No court of law ever found her innocent on loads of charges ranging from murder to genocide, and she used to have loads of kids stay over at her orphanages, and paid $$M out to various families, so for all I know she could be up there with the worst of them.

Am now watching Al Jazeera as it's the only news channel on today.

LOL,you could always watch summit else

She forced people to suffer unnecessarily, refusing to allow treatments to be given for illnesses, preventing the nurses/nuns from helping people citing that they should work in poverty and shouldn't spend the millions donated on actual medicines or treatments.  Amongst other stuff.

Own up, who gave kinbo the library card?

i hate it when a story completely takes over the news channels. michael jackson is dead - i get it. tell us something else now

Don't watch the news channels, you'll notice the improvement almost immediately.

lol, open day at Leeds Uni, go out for a walk for my usual dinner time routine.

Spotted someone with MJ T-shirt and face mask..

have any of you considered that nothing else newsworthy has happened today?

Yes, nothing's happening in Iran today.  They've taken a day off in respect to MJ.

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[ X ] Doughnut

 What do Micheal Jackson and scottish goalkeepers have in common?

They both wore gloves for no apparent reason

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I can't get on to sickipedia since he died. Didn't think i find some of the jokes on blonde !!!

Sandy

What's the difference between Alex Frguson & Michael Jackson? Fergie will still be playing Giggs in August!

i have loads but was told off so no more posted from me

Its a fine line guys, and no one has been told off personally by PM. I appreciate what is funny to some isn't to others

The jokes surrounding alleged paedophilia etc I don't think belong on the forum. I may be wrong, but that's the line I have been taking

the more harmless ones eg the Man U joke fall the right side of the line I think

If in doubt, leave it off please

If you want to read them they're in the Popbitch mailout (to which I assume Linux subscribes)

http://www.popbitch.com/home/2009/06/26/no-more-squeaks-michael-jackson-tribute/

I can only speak for myself but I really don't mind the jokes because they're just that, jokes. Pretty sure Germaine and La Toya are not among the guests reading the thread so it's all good.

Worlds different from genuine expressed sentiments of the I'm glad the bastard is dead because I reckon he was guilty sort. T

The Giggs joke should be banned, simply because its the one EVERY musician or comedian gets within hours of dying. Ryan Giggs should do the decent thing an retire so his surname which sounds similar to something else cannot be used offensively ever again.

i've been censored

don't post overly-inflammatory stuff then.

thanks

i tell it as i see it

you dissagree with my views, others may not.

Yawn.  ;sleep;

I don't necessarily disagree, I just don't want to see it on the forum

Please note the following

ta

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=25383.0


If you disagree with me further, take it to PMs please. I've got all night

i don't have all night

freedom of speech. this is crazy

Feel free to create your own website to spout your freedom of speech.

Blonde is not your personal platform from which to do it IMO

You are not obliged to be a Member of blonde, but if you choose to be, then you are required to Post in a manner compliant with our Rules.

This is a forum run for free for your use if you stick to the guidelines. If you don't like the guidelines don't post.

It's kept quite simple really so we can all understand it.

Shut the door behind you.

i am not familiar with the guide lines. i just don't like people making a hero out of someone who in my mind clearly was not. this surley can't be sugar coated nicey nicey. a reality chech on occasion may put you in the real wolrd

Have you read the thread start to finish?

Don't see a lot of sugar coated nicey nicey on it

Do see a lot of polite people recognising that a lot of difficult issues surround Michael Jackson and posting sensibly their views in the light of these difficult issues so as not to cause a very difficult thread for the forum/mods

ok, sorry, ive calmed down.

no problem

my last post on this, because i do not want to give any more publicity to this person. agreed he was a talented singer/songwriter. HOWEVER, the moment it was confirmed he was sleeping with children, i would not donate 50p to a duke box for his music. the publicity he gets alive or dead imho is so wrong. just watched itv/bbc singing his praises and it infuriated me. a lot of germans turned a blind eye in the late thirties, early forties. some people should be ashamed. or am i missing somthing

Wow, I remember those Duke Boxes.

these?

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Let's get back to his music.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehal1eUG1jk

Can you let the celebdaq users know in advance who you're next going to bestow pulicity upon?

Mon - I've moved your Post to "Deleted", we can't start saying these things on Thread, even though we all feel pretty miffed.

Don't let bigusdikus (interesting name) bait you, you'll end up in trub all because of his nonsense.

Stay cool fella, you're a decent lad, it'll all sort itself out eventually, there's no point you getting the wrong side of the Mods.

LOVE YOU, check your pm's  ;)

Mon's message to bigusdikus, decoded, was back off, we've had enough.

With which most will concur.

Love you too, hun.

Check your PM's, have replied. Sorry bout the coarse language. ;)

Let things take their natural course.

Young uns eh,sigh lol

!

I've read through from beginning to end, Whilst Michael Jackson was a great music artist in the 70's and 80's his best days are long since past, the allegations of child abuse and the "pay off" pretty much killed off the potential as a recording artist in the future.

I have my views on the fella and I am in the " no smoke without fire" + " you don't pay people off if you are innocent"  + " he's so random and strange its seems all too probable" camp, I really did enjoy his music in my youth but with all the doubt and strange personal life antics and his NEED to be white and his deep emotional scars The guy was pretty much buggered from the get go.

in closing, I might just remind everyone of MikkyT, he was one of us, none of us suspected a thing, none of us thought he was a nonce but we were proven wrong there too, MikkyT as everyone knows was skint without a pot to piss in, no fancy lawyers for him, no eccentric behaviour and he is now serving time in the big house, mind you this was not a civil case but the fact remains, No money = Big house -- Plenty of money = Beverly hills

Either way, If my views are wrong and he is innocent he will reap the rewards in the after life, if he was Guilty as is my opinion, the i hope he gets a fresh pineapple shoved up his arse each day.

I don't wish to be pedantic and maybe I have it wrong but surely tiKay was correct by saying those - or am I missing something?

Yes, pokerfan has it right. Tighty (he of counter-fitted) was saying these those.

I just get a bit wound up with spoken English at times, especially the use of 'them' in the wrong context!

And so you should. Standards have dropped at an incredible rate in the last few years. It's the Internet, lack of decent education, & bad parenting.*

* Shareholders have an allowance of one troll per week.

Ban PLS!

Tikay is street though, innit?

[ ] Weird, ergo paedophile

[ x ] Weird, ergo more likely to have kids stay over, do nothing to them sexually, but not really get why just having them over is not really ok

[ x ] Better, more expensive lawyers, give defendants a better chance of getting off when guilty

          [ ] A good measure of the guilt of those acquitted is how expensive their lawyer was

              [!?] Take a look at this poor guy I knew, he was guilty, and didn't have a rich lawyer who would probably have  
                    got him off the hook. See?

in closing none of us knew MikkyT was a paedo, but he was [ ] ergo there's a good chance MJ was a paedo too, even though there's not really direct evidence of this.

Apart from a serious overuse of ergo, I read nothing in that beyond "I disagree, my impression & conclusion is different from yours based on the same knowledge, but I'm going to try and make myself sound clever in a  bid to ridicule your interpretation of Michael Jackson's life."

negative, I demonstrate the errors in his logic. If it looks as if I'm trying to sound clever so be it, I do ridicule his interpretation of how logic can be applied to the life of MJ though.

I liked his attempt at nested checkboxes.

Even if he did mess them up.

No, you don't. You use your personal logic to reach conclusions that may or may not be right, but they are only that, your personal conclusions. You then badly attempt ridicule as if your interpretation is correct.

in fairness rod, the logic in billy's post is spectacularly bad

 [ ] [ x ] [ ] [ x ]  I have only my position to argue. Would you like me to apply someone else's position?

If you see something wrong in my logic, or something right in his, pray tell

 [ x ] (when you're sober)

Chamone!!!

I am posting from my iPod ATM so I can't be arsed to get a picture to illustrate by how much you missed my point. my poit was that none of us will ever know for sure what happened and we will all draw our own conclusions, for all of the people on blonde that knew mikkyt none of is would have known or believed he was capable of these acts but it seems he was, and this is a fella many of us knew personally not some strange person in the media spotlight, you just never know !!!!!

Michael Jackson is in that "draw your own conclusions" bracket as none of us know him personally and all we have it's what information is out there to draw said conclusions.


Said my piece gl with the trolling......I mean debating

Aye, but Billy has a fair reason to be cynical. And in the end he's just jumping to a conclusion no more daft than "He's a great talent so he wasn't guilty".

No-one but Jacko and his accusers/exploiters or victims will really know. I will say though that the parents who let their kids stay the night with him should have lost their kids - because that was specatacularly bad parenting.

We'll probably never know, maybe something will come out later from the kids, who knows.

Whether we know or not, the process of reasoning we apply to determine the guilt (including the guilt of those acquitted) will apply to hundreds more people in our lifetime. I'm not quite in the 'Brasseye' camp, but I do get pretty angry when I see the life of yet another innocent paediatrician ruined.

Well done, just when you seem to be struggling you've managed to play the "You're drunk" card along with the "incomprehensible tickbox confusion" gambit. wp gg and not a lot of point continuing debating as, yes you have your own position, and yes, you will only see your own position, there's no point in trying to open a closed mind.

See the nested checkboxes? Those points mostly run contrary to his. Most are contrary cos I think his logic is wrong, one maybe two cos I think his premise is false. Do you think the [ ] should be [ x ] or vice versa in any of those cases? If so please state why, open my mind a bit.
You don't seem that drunk, just a bit guns blazing. If I seem to be attacking the guy and slamming him its really only I think cos I stated a contrary case to what was a pretty dodgy set of arguments.

I haven't a clue what the tickboxes are about... this bit is just ridic....  [ ] [ x ] [ ] [ x ]

BUT in the end you have leapt to your own conclusion as has someone else - that's all & that's as meaningful as it all is. It was the smart-arse impression I read into your rebuttal (which had no more logic that the one you slated) that rankled, an impression that has been confirmed by your further posts. Believe that Jackson was innocent, or not and either belief will not matter a damn.

 [ ] [ x ] [ ] [ x ]  "IS" (I think?)

Yeah I'm a smartarse, I love the sound of my own voice, and I love the refreshing feeling you get in a good debate.

I don't really give a toss about MJ, he's over there, and he's dead now. What really really matters to me is the general culture that is developing in our country surrounding our *approach* to the notion of paedophilia. Ok paedophilia is bad, the damage it does to kids cannot really be overstated, and in many cases the process of monitoring/notification has been inadequate.
However in parallel to this there has been growing a culture where the hysteria surrounding it has been fashioned into a weapon by some, who go on to accuse many probably innocent people of 'paedophile child abuse against their kids', knowing that the accusation itself is as good as a conviction and life sentence, because AND I QUOTE 'there is no smoke without fire' 'that person was a bit weird eh, always had my doubts about him, must be a paedo' He got off the charge? 'Yeah but he hired that Beltrami guy at a grand an hour, so he must have been guilty eh? (You'll note that I just reiterated Newmanseye's arguments, do you still agree with them?) And it could happen to any bloke on this forum. You date a mother with kids, you dump her because its not working out, she has fury>hell's cos she's scorned..........'He slept in the same room as one of my kids, and he touched one of them, didn't he Johnny, didn't he?'

Ergo (apologies), until I hear that someone has been found guilty of such terrible acts in a court of law, I'll withold judgement, tyvm.

That's all pretty fair, but you referred to a guy that WAS found guilty as a poor guy earlier, and Newmanseye & a few of us knew him as an acquaintance at least if not a friend, things are a little bit more strained and yes, judgemental, after that. The guy is still demanding contact with his kids when he gets out as well.

But fair enough you were not to know that, and I may have snapped at you a bit much.

I think that was just me and you mate.

Pretty much everyone else was onto Mikky being a nonce.

News to me.

I knew he is serving a prison term for the physical abuse of two children, I know he is on a register whereby he won't be able to work with children in the future. I didn't know he was a paedophile though.

I learn something new every day.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW1fXL3s7bk
 :)

yeah no worries, I only hear of this guy peripherally, but I can understand the sentiment.

I know very little of Mikky T outside this website apart from a couple of links people put up. I was not stating "None of us knew Mikky T was a paedo but he was" as the above quote seems to suggest, but rather purely quoting a previous statement from Newmanseye to argue the toss about inferences.

Must be very very shitty to have known this guy and then that to happen, sorry.

Let's move on from all that shit maybe.

The title of the 'register' should give you a clue - the sex offenders register.......

the child porn was a fair clue too

I didn't know there was child porn?

Bottom line is he's a nasty man who sadly gets out of prison very soon. :(

Best Jackson 5 song?

Dancing Machine is my favourite.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD2OsUcgb00

Time to repeat the cartoons
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYI8M3aJzR8

and did you know he is going to the courts to get supervised visiting rights,telephone call and be able to write leters to his daughter upon his release,something i beleive to be very wrong

obv there is his side that she is his daughter and he has rights

 but how would anyone else feel letting their ex seeing their daughter after what he done?

what exactly did he do?

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/misc/print.php?artid=1271832 (http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/misc/print.php?artid=1271832)

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=21762.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=21762.0)

No one says "wasn't Ian Huntley a good janitor" so why should we say Jackson was a great artist, if anyone has the slightest thought he did anything they should despise the man no matter how good his songs may of been.

lol

errr album sales??

i mean why glorifie him.

he is glorified for being 1 of the worlds greatest entertainers of the last 40 odd years whatever your feeling towards him you cannot deny the success he had and the hero worshipping he receives akin to elvis in popularity because of it.

we all will  have different views on him due to the abuse allegations that he faced/did not face but at the end of it all he was never actually convicted of any crime regarding abuse,

 but not being found guilty does not mean he is innocent!!

innocent until proven guilty though!

Huh?

the point i was trying to make is that although someone might have gotten away with something that everyone knows they are guilty of, doesnt actually mean that they didnt do it, just that they were not convicted for it. I:E man rapes a women no dna as he used condom,insuffiecent evidence to convict him so he goes free does that mean he didnt do it? No

but in the real world he is innocent until proven guilty.

prob still dont make sense been long day today

ive got over 23 million reasons why i think he did something, just because of his album sales we shouldn't say oh well he may of abused kids but cracking music to dance too, shame hes dead, bollocks to him we should say he did something wrong he doesn't deserve anyones sympathy

I think you are misunderstanding a lot of the sentiments here

As a musician and performer he surely has legendary status. One of the biggest selling artists of all time. A worldwide star from a child to his death. Writing that sentence does not mean I or others condone any of his unsavoury at best or illegal at worst (never convicted but lets assume so to make it easier for you) acts in his life off the stage, or even display any sympathy. I am merely able to compartmentalise the various components of a very complicated, very damaged but also very talented man

Good post

yeah good post.

What is music? It's not just a clever arrangement of sounds, it's a recording and expression of emotion. If I have major issues with some of the emotions and sentiments of the artist (Jackson for me I don't know, but Glitter for example), I can't enjoy the stuff any more, it taints the music. I can't put any of his stuff on and appreciate the music without the other stuff coming to mind.

well put

i have briefly read through this thread and i am going to avoid getting into debates. I personally really admire what MJ has done for music and i feel that the music industry has lost a huge talent. check out this video of jeffrey daniels dancing on TOTP2 (he was MJ's dance teacher and you can see where he got his influences from). It makes me cringe at points yet at other points its so good....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ImkBve8OW8

This is pretty sick imo:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8125515.stm

The funny thing is this has worked before.

MJ cancelled a concert and the organisers came up with the brilliant idea to refund the ticketholders by sending each of them a cheque for the value of the ticket which had been 'personally signed by Michael Jackson himself'.

It worked - a great many people didn't cash the cheque because they wanted to keep it! The organisers and MJ himself were quids in.

AEG may as well have issued a press release saying 'here's how stupid we think these people are'.

I just think the shameless profiteering of someone who is hardly cold in his coffin is sick beyond belief.

Surely they were insured ffs.

But yes, people are stupid.

Apparently they were only insured for the first 10 concerts!

genius

Sorry for not knowing the nuances of the prison system, but a guy who gets 6 years will serve a minimum of how long?

It's something like 1/3rd off for parole and 1/3rd off for good behaviour so 2 years.

im not sure that a poker forum is the appropriate place to criticise people of profiteering from stupid people....

Good point.

But from what I've heard they're just desperately trying to mitigate their losses rather than profit.

You have no idea how many times I have started typing on this thread and then stopped and deleted.... I hate being a mod sometimes :)

Go on Kev, tell us what you really think

such a tease!

+1...although I'm not a mod obviously..but every post I would make on this thread would offend someone as death might not be a subject to joke about.

Which is a shame as there are just too many funny things about this.

boldie 4 mod

Kev 4 cardroom manager

How long is sufficient to leave it before i get to hear some jokes?

a lot of them were posted via this link from AndrewT

http://www.popbitch.com/home/2009/06/26/no-more-squeaks-michael-jackson-tribute/

if you don't want to read them, please don't open the link

google sickipedia and michael jackson.

Seriously..sickipedia is NOT for those easily offended..or actually offended by any sort of jokes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8

Remember those Hitler vids, where they show a scene from a film with funny subtitles? Here's "Hitler finds out MJ's dead."

Again, if MJ jokes are likely to offend you, do not click.

that is some funny shit right there :D

rotflmfao Good find Sharplea

i heard on 5live this morning one of MJ's close personal friends (actually an exec from sony music) talking about michael and saying 'he was very much a giver'.

 ;smackedbottom;

Michaels PR man has given an interview to Hello mag for allegedly in excess of a million pounds. To be published shortly - apparently it's a 'hold on to your hats' interview. He tells a lot of stuff.....

I've waited for over a week to say anything in this thread. I find it amazing how different that we all can be by just observing threads like this.

I will always remember MJ's death for the rest of my life, same as I will remember Princess Dianas untimely departure from this planet. No different to the generations when Elvis Presley died, and other older celebrities from other eras. I was just in the pub with mates, when the news of cardiac arrest was shown. A few people looked, but didnt really pay attention. As soon as it was announced he was dead. the whole pub went silent! Even bartenders stopped serving. It was like 11am on 11th November when silence is observed. Generations young and old all shocked at this slightly surprising death.

Like millions of people, Michael had musical influence on me from an early age. I will never forget the joy I had every time I turned on one of his CD's. I actually listened to HIStory that much that I had to replace it because it started playing up. I listened to Oasis as much as MJ, but when Liam or Noel Gallagher die I will not feel the same way.

I wasn't reduced to tears, but was quiet for an hour or so, reflecting on what Michael Jackson has given to everybody in the world through his musical talent. Like most geniuses in any walk of life, their personal history is very tainted. You have Michael Jackson, the great artist. And Michael Jackson, the adult who never grew up. I'm in the camp that hope MJ was innocent and just exploited.

We will never know what happened obviously, but I like to believe he could only relate with children and that is why he acted like a child around them. I would hope if anything happened, that Macaulay Culkin would have said about it by now, since as he was a high profile friend of MJs.

How we remember MJ is probably down to our personality. I would like to remember the good about him as the bad might not actually be true. His contribution to culture as well as music makes him one of THE most significant people ever in the industry. Up there with John Lennon. People like Gary Glitter don't even compare, he should've been gone from this world long before MJ.

On a light note for those moaning about the news always being about MJ, at least it beat constant drones on MP expenses, swine flu and the recession :)

excellent post Baz.

Lennon>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Noel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Liam>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wacko>Glitter

Getting a bit fed up with the rumoured O2's desperate schemes to try not to lose their millions.  :( ::) Waiting for an announcement that we will have tickets to see a hologram Michael Jackson show.

HE WAS A GREAT ARTIST BUT A FRICKING WEIRDO.,,I PERSONALLY DONT THINK HE FOOKED ABOUT WITH KIDS BUT I STILL WOULDNT HAVE HIM OVER TO BABY SIT.,.,.,.,.,

It is surprising what is said about a celebrity after they have died by their so called best friends. 

Apparently Uri Geller who is supposed to be one of Michael Jackson's best friends said in an interview "Michael would never take as much as an aspirin as he was against drugs of any form" he also stated " Michael was also very afraid of needles and would not even have acupuncture when it was suggested it would help him".


Then when David Gest (who apparently was Michael Jackson's closest friend, as they were practically brought up together) was interviewed, stated " I was always telling Michael to lay off all the medication he was taking" He also stated " many times I had to hide needles and medication from him".

These statements were not what has been written by the media but statements made on television by Uri Geller and David Gest whilst being interviewed.

Whatever is said about his private life, I think he was a naive, gifted young man who was exploited by his parents and many others and lived a life like many historical gifted eccentrics.  The sad thing is that it is often the parents who see their child has exceptional gifts who exploit them at too young an age.

Those who remember Lena Zavaroni, she was initially exploited by her parents and then the media and ended up anorexic, and died young.

Go with Uri Geller, he bends spoons with his mind innit.

I was in London today taking my parents to see Jersey Boys as a Golden wedding present. I only add this info so you don't think i was there for Pride.  :D

Anyway happened to walk past the theatre where Thriller is on. There are loads of flowers there, as well as candles and letters from fans stuck to the wall. Part of me found it to be tacky, but some of these letters were quite moving, just goes to show how much he meant to some of his fans. 

There is a certain irony to Sky news showing pictures from a TV news helicopter of the funeral home, whilst displaying the caption "private" funeral taking place.

I live with two house mates who say he's innocent. I think otherwise.
I debated it tonight with one of them. The only thing i know for sure is that it's not worth debating!
The highlight of the "debate" - If you murder somebody and nobody finds out you're not a murderer.

It's widely reported that Jordy Chandler has admitted in the last week that nothing happened and his father forced him to lie.  

Nice of him to keep quiet until now..he's probably not trying to cash in at all.

When watching Michael Jackson's coffin being pushed away by the Jackson Brothers, was anybody else reminded of the brilliance?

























of Cool Runnings?

lol,


i watched the thing last night I still think he was guilty and will not miss him but if it was my family i would be pissed so many people made it into a political soapbox, i mean they attributed Obama getting in to MJ. I was waiting for someone to stand up and start with "Kill whitey"

I was watching the thing last night and half expected soem music to start;

Dedumdedumdedum

and someone to go;

"It's after middddddddddddddddnight!"

that would of been amazing if they got all the zombies out on stage, could of controled mj by wires.

I turned it off after Brooke Shields decided to use it to further her career and talk about how great she was.

There were a few cringeworthy moments, but in a strange way, some of it was quite moving.   I have to admit to shedding a tear when Paris spoke at the end.

But then I did the same in High School Musical 3....................

There are some things you should really keep to yourself.

I switched the telly on, and flicked through the channels.  WTF??  Brooke Shields on both BB2 and Five sobbing away like a poker player who's been told they're only getting 8,000 starting stack when everyone else is getting 10,000.

So I switched off instantly.

What?  did you not find the happyness tears when Troy could be with Gabriella?

[   ] I've seen High School Musical

Clealy you dont' have a nearly 5 year old daughter!

[X] it's the only reason I've seen it.

Because you dont have kids innit so pls dont comment on HSM  ;)

HSM is the nuts, esp HSM2

Haven't seen 2, well not all of it, will catch it later Heather will want to watch it later

:D

bbc news last nite had 18mins of the MJ  send off thing

and only 2 minutes of 7/7 just didnt seem right

I had 24 hours of 7/7 yesterday.

i was referring to 10 oclock news

2 minutes seems fair enough - enough time to tell people about the statues.

What more would you have wanted them to say?

This, and can we stop referring to it as just 7/7?? This is not America where we are now scared of a calendar date FFS!

havent got a problem with 2 mins coverage just didnt want 18 mins of mj tbh

7/7 is just easier to type though

but to keep u happy 7th july 2005, 7/7/2005, july 7th 2005, 07.07.2005

aye but in american they called in 9/11 because they put the month before the day when writing the year. therefore we should use 7/7 instead of 7/7

simples.

ah i see have edited my posts accordingly

I missed the memorial last night, anyone know if it is being repeated?
 :dontask:

was a bit of a downer really

You might be in luck, Paul McCartney isn't looking too well at the moment.

rotflmfao

Can't wait for the arguements about people saying RIP to a man who made a tune like the Frog Chorus.

I think we'll all stand together for that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8

http://www.eternalmoonwalk.com/

 :dd:

check out this documentary! i found it really interesting...its the documentary about the interview jacko had with bashir! the un-edited version with extra stuff from jacksons own camera crew that u were never intended to see....some exclusive interviews and really eye opening stuff. its 8 parts but its a good watch imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7UJ3orguE8&feature=related

dude your in VEGAS- stop watching 8 part documentries and win mad ones and stuff

Ok Breaking News

As reported in the Daily Mail yesterday, Michaels brain has gone missing, and he will be buried without it

Did he write in his will that his brain could be used for the first brain transplant ?

He had the money to have his head deep frozen untill future doctors can repair him

Will he make a better come back than Elvis

Watch this space

are you on the brain transplant list crow?

Matt and I were just discussing this about half an hour ago - I was saying I would have expected Michael Jackson to have been a prime candidate for wanting to be cryogenically frozen, so that would be the best bet on where his brain has gone imo.  Surprised though that he wouldn't have wanted the full works, body and all.

Made his intentions known, nothing in black and white though.

That don't matter.

Listening to some old jackson 5 and 70's solo songs, well good.

Time to get in Quincy imo:

http://www.nme.com/news/michael-jackson/46299

quincy is always good for a bit of lighthearted afternoon racism

Ok latest from the Crow grapevine is this;

The doc gave MJ an intravenous sedative every night to help him sleep

But the silly doc fell asleep and the pump gave MJ an overdose of sedative

So was it an accident or negligence or manslaughter , you decide

Is Jacko dead ??

FFS why wasnt this on the news ?

Doubt an overdose of sedative would precipitate a cardiac arrest.

MJ's brain will be turning in its fridge at your suggestion.

it was overshadowed on bbc london by the proposals to cancel the 161 bus to eltham

OK more details and a video from Russian news

Nurse: Michael Jackson 'Desperately' Wanted Powerful Sedative:

Cherilyn Lee, a registered nurse who was working Michael Jackson as he prepared for his comeback, says the singer was so distraught that he pleaded with her for a powerful sedative despite warnings it could be harmful.

Lee tells AP that Jackson was complaining of persistent insomnia and desperately asked her to get him Diprivan (Propofol) a drug given intravenously usually used to start or maintain anesthesia during surgeries.

And although Lee told him "the medication is not safe," she fears that he somehow got his hands on Diprivan or another drug to induce sleep because of a frantic phone call she received from Jackson four days before his death.

"A member of his stuff called and was very frantic and said, 'Michael needs to see you right away.' I said, 'What's wrong?' And I could hear Michael in the background saying, 'One side of my body is hot, it's hot, and one side of my body is cold. It's very cold,'" she says.

"I said, 'Tell him he needs to go the hospital. I don't know what's going on, but he needs to go to the hospital right away. At that point, I knew that somebody had given him something that hit the central nervous system... He was in trouble Sunday and he was crying out."

heres the video http://en.rian.ru/video/20090701/155401895.html

Thers also an interview with the Worlds Tallest man . At 8 foot 3 inches , he is a big 'un

http://en.rian.ru/video/20090721/155572792.html

Crow ... I have missed you more than I have missed broadband.

reminded of a little quip overheard at Equal Chance last week.

Guy on next table leans over to his mate on my table saying "I'm getting really short here, need to make a move soon". Mateyboy says "you make a move? There's more chance of Michael Jackson making a move"

how is this murder though? this is the same sort of stuff everyones been banging on about for ages.

the arcticle was clear(if to be believed) that all this sort of stuff wasnt being pursued and something like paul mcCartney had come in his house and battered him to death with a guilded copy of the rights to the beatles back catalogue.

Yesterday my dad said it wondered him nobody yet said 'Michael is alive' like happened to elvis :)

and make glorious conspiracy opportunity for like glasses person with computer for happy writings

just lol

Daily Mirror has  reported that MJ's nose has gone missing

Could it be someone who has his brain , now has his nose and wants the full set as a souvenier

Will more body parts go missing

Is he being Cloned in a Swiss lab

Is his brain now in a chimpanzee

Watch this space Crow,     will find out

Crow has found secret film of rehearsals for the MJ tribute tour

Featuring Chimps,But which one has MJ's Brain, You decide

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLtR8_qw_yM

coroner has just ruled it was homicide

gg normal news for the next 6 months

fkin sigh ::)

the doctor right?

am i right in thinking theres no suggestion it was intentional?

whats normal news?

economy fucked
someone died in Afghanistan
everyones being released early from jail

then 1/2 hour of local news:

some kids running round a park 20 times for charity
tube strikes
some d list celebrity is doing a musical
and a cat that can stand on it's head.

don't think so. this probs just makes it more likely that he gets the involuntary manslaughter charge they were considering. doesn't look like they're considering it as a murder

what on earth has a tube strike got to do with local news

That's about it yeah.

I'm destined to be a cynic; I'd just rather be a semi-informed cynic than a completely ignorant cynic.

Mass transit system in the city on London, trains underneath the ground.

A bit like what they've got in Glasgow, but with less piss/sq metre and much more higgeldy pigglediness.

my local news is bbc london, so when theres a tube strike in london it's covered mostly by the local news

how big is the park? my local running club organised a fun run last month and the adults did a 5k that was 4 laps and a lap wasn't even all the way round the park. if some kids went all the way round the park and did it 20 times it should definitely be on the news

It was a swing park on a housing estate, about as big as your living room, there was 6 happy slappings, 4 stabbings and no one completed the 20 laps.

it's all o.k, turns out he's alive after all.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/michael-jackson/6094032/Michael-Jackson-shown-still-alive-in-conspiracy-theorist-video-posted-on-web.html

Saw that yesterday, just let the man rest in peace imo. However if he is alive it would have to be the greatest staging act ever getting the whole of his family, friends etc involved.

Simon Cowell will be signing these fellas up...

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k739n2VEsbA