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The world has gone mad. Soon you will need a permit to have a crap.

You daren't say hello to a child in the street as it is. No wonder they grow up with no social skills.

Is this the "Freedom" that so many died for?

Fucking politicians are ruining the best country in the world.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8253099.stm

the UK?

Yes.

lol ok

I have had to have my screening so that I can look after Reece.

lol ok.

it's a great response, I'm going to steal it and use it as my very own.

PS- This is you cue to say "lol ok"

cant, you added punctuation to yours, done me right up, i cant come back from that ;marks;

lol ok

what is the barometer for measuring a country's greatness? have you assessed this impartially or are you saying it because you're patriotic and would probs say the same about fiji, iceland or spain if you lived there also?

I cant say what country is the best, id be surprised if it was the UK though.

lol ok

fyp

lol ok

please put your own spin on it, a bit of punctuation or a smiley or something, the original "lol ok" is mine

I take it you've never visited the Democratic Republic of da Congo, Red?

Well my point wasn't so much about the country, but rather the nanny state mentality and the erosion of our civil liberties.

LoL Ok

v v good i laughed hard

OK LOL

Too much swearing? LOL Okeleydokeley

with Emily started nursery two weeks ago, id say this was a very good idea to impose this law.

Id feel much better if people were screened before having anything to do with Emily at Nursery/School/feild trips etc.

TBH id probably still not let her go on any trips unless I was one of the parents involved on the trip.

You'd feel much better but your fear is completely irrational. The odds of an unknown molesting your kid are much slimmer than someone in your family or circle of friends doing it.

It's a ridic idea, it will cost tonnes of money and it will only allow the Daily Mail readers to blame the govt if someone slips through the net and does molest a kid. "WHY WASN'T HE CAUGHT??"

If it stops one Peado getting to a kid its a good idea......anything to do with keeping them away from Kids is a step in the right direction.

Perhaps if this was introduced years ago MikkyT wouldn't have been able to get access to his Step Daughter and Step Son!

I understand the sentiment but, as with anything, we should be asking ourselves if it really is worth it.

This will create chaos for the screening agencies, they will have a massive backlog within no-time which is likely to lead to more people slipping through the net who would now probably be cuaght.
All the clubs, schools etc. that will have to cancel outings because they simply can't find enough screened volunteers (because of the backlog, not because of a massive increase in peadophiles).
The cost will be massive as well and, as I said before, it's not likely to be very effective as it doesn't stop a family member or friend of the family abusing someone...this is aimed at strangers.

I think it is a bad idea I don't think it will potect children one bit. If someone has the intent to harm a child
they will always find a victim. The " If it stops one Peado getting to a kid its a good idea" is just a daft thing to post
Where do you draw the line?

Ban cars, Kiddies get runover, Stop sports to stop injuries. etc etc

I think all this is about making Money from good honest folk. I've  got 2 girls and to get on the list of "who's authorised to ferry them about" regardless of any goverment paperwork or permit i'll use my own judgement to decide.

So i'm with Reddog on this one  "Fucking politicians are ruining the best country in the world"

Regards

M

Yeah, ban cars ftw

Come back and say this again, when its your kids or your friends kids that get molested by someone this law could have stopped.

anything to do with child abuse is a step in the right direction!

The world (not just the best country in the world) is absolutely riddled with peado's these days, its sick!

LOL okay!

Why don't we just stop kids going out all together?

This whole thing is a joke.

Worst thing is all the best "lol ok" 's have been taken.

lol...ok?

Oh boy.

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Come back and say this again, when its your kids or your friends kids that get molested by someone this law could have stopped.

anything to do with child abuse is a step in the right direction!

The world (not just the best country in the world) is absolutely riddled with peado's these days, its sick!
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Sorry to open your eyes here but they have been around in their droves for years. It is only because youngsters are speaking out more freely nowadays that it seems it is on the increase.

fyp

NO trust me , no longer are youngster embarrassed to admit it happened to them..nowt at all to do with the internet. No longer shamed to believe it was their fault but in fact it happens I think in 1 / 5 house holds in your street.

really? that seems ridic high

Name and shame the nonces why should the millions be hampered by the sick minority!!

Well that was was what a professional person quoted to my sister. Obv I can only go by their stats

This.

 20% seems ridic and I'd like to see the statistics behind that claim.

doing this would make it worse

Cant show them as trusted the informer. But hey, can one really trust a doctor?

I will give you my own mini stats though. There are 3 women that work at my depot 2 /3 HAVE been abused as youngsters by a close family member, the third chose not to comment. Unlucky? or just out spoken. I'll leave that for you to decide.

Every accident, every crime that is committed, every bad thing that happens in this country, they're not all causes for new preventative legislation to be introduced.

The argument if it stops one child getting abused it must be a good thing argument can be strong. "Who wouldn't mind filling in an extra form now and then to prevent x,y and z happening" (with x, y and z all being shockingly bad things happening to the kiddies obv)

It's a bit of a fallacy as far as I'm concerened though. In fact, it pisses my life off because our politicians seem to be in love with it and our blame culture fuelled by the news media seem to thrive off it too.

My problem with it is that it assumes that the other side of the coin is just a little inconvienece, and not other factors (some of which have already been mentioned) which are impossible to quantify.

It's like all health and safety legislation. For example the rule kids have to wear lifejackets on school trips if they are anywhere near water even if they're just out for a walk and not even sniffing a canoe. It's all very well to say that some kid drowned in Plymouth last year so it's a little inconvience to stop it happening again somewhere else.
The cumulative effect of too much legislation though, fosters an attitude in kids where they don't look out for their own welfare enough. They walk about like they're impervious to danger. Like no harm can befall them because the sharp things are all in the locked drawer, the nasty chemicals are no longer used in the building and all the cars outside are all doing 10 mph past zig zaggy bumpywumps. They wander off cliffs in Stonehaven thinking it's not dangerous because if it was someone would have put a barrier there. There's a solution to this problem and no it's not to put barriers up along the perimeter of Great Britain's shores. It's to have kids grow up in an enviroment where they're not covered in cotton wool, and if they do stupid shit without thinking they get hurt. (btw, I'm sure you can imagine that having our kids learn common sense and encouraging them to think for themselves might have other fringe benefits)




While we're on the subject of fallacies...

Having kids doesn't change your politics, and it's certainly wrong to believe that people who disagree with these new measures care less about kids than people who do.

I don't give a shit if the driver of the school bus has been screened by some government agency, and the flip side of that is that I don't assume that the driver of the school bus is ok and not worth worrying about just because he has been screened.
Interaction with the people who are in contact with your kids and making your own judjements ftw. Obv in conjunction with taking an interest in what they've done each day.

So all we have is "Someone who works in the industry told my sister and she told me so it must be true, the world is riddles with peados and abused kids so draconian legislation must be introduced"

Doesn't fly with me...not without seeing some stats.

No one can stop it, screening or not, my answer is simple, it wont stop it but will give help identifying one , once one is caught brand the fkr with a hot iron on their forehead.

Did I say that Boldie. No.

No, but the statistic is not reliable just because someone told a family member. If it really was the case that 20% of all households in the UK will have an sexually abused kid in it it'd be all over the papers...or at least the internet and this is the first time I have heard this number...it would really suprise me if this turned out to be accurate.

Like I said who can trust a doctor....

What I do believe is that it is far more common than many folk like to believe. It's a sick world in which we live in and screening aint going to stop it happening.

Also, like previous post i did, I had to be screened to care for my own Grandson, Darren didn't? Yes screening will highlight previous convictions, so can be beneficial, but if one has previous why the hell are they allowed out. Because of THEIR human rights?

And breath.....

lol

no, not because of their human rights, it's because it's common sense not to sentence someone to never be allowed out of prison for an offence that would otherwise get them 6 months.

I give up, lol men hey,

i'm the first one to wanna bash up paedophiles but i'm not in government and the things you want a government to do are irresponsible and infeasible.

On keyboard rant mode. Been away all weekend, can't shut down. Arghhhh

World must be set to rights before page 6 of thread.

I should make it clear when I rant about H&S is that it's very rarely the Health and Safety Executives fault directly. Most of the madness and the rules come out of the arse of companys legal departments who are scared of being sued in this compensation culture and timid local education authority who are worried about protecting their own jobs at all costs and don't give a shit about how difficuly they're making anyone elses.


That e-coli farm thing that was in the news today is a prime example of blame culture. oooh, is it the farms fault, should they have been closed sooner? Whos to blame whos to blame? Lets find out to get a story. They'll prob get fired or go out of buisness (whichever is applicable) but it's not my job and people are watching so who gives a shit.
Do I want them to get fired? No actually, because then I might have another story for another day when I ask "Why not!"

Perhaps the parents should have supervised their kids more? This might be the case but we all know they can't be watched every minute of the day. Should the parents have impressed upon their kids the importance of washing their hands after petting the animals. Most likely, but it's not always easy. (Hey, maybe they didn't because there's so much fking legislation out there they don't think there kids can get hurt so they don't have to worry about thinking too much)
I'm defo not condemning the parents btw. fk me, we all make mistakes, and hindsight is wonderful thing. Then there's the fact that all I know about the case is what the beeb told me and that's worse than knowing fk all tbh.
 
E-coli is a sexy word in the news because there's a particular strain of it that kills people quite efficiently. My understanding is that most of the time it just makes you very sick. Hopefully it's not the death death strain this time and everyone involved gets better.

Fk my life if one day I can't take my kids to a petting zoo because someone decides to close all them all or if they've gone out of buisness because the BBC have been scaring most people away with sexy death words like e-coli though.

when does your writing course finish?

cmon dont get him started its late on sun nite/ he'll start using big complicated words..

Great first post by Tank.
I can't comment on the 2nd one as i've not heard about the farm trip but apparetly thats better than knowing what tank knows so i'm not going to inform myself.

And for that reason I am OUT.

the last post was too long and i didnt understand it, something about kids and e-coli, then a bit more about kids and then some more about e-coli.

i think the kids might have e-coli

LOL, 12 Bolt Blonde T shirts were laying around the hotel. Was he there to collect NO. Maybe next time fella. x

and e-coli is what exactly

I learnt a very important lesson from that course. That I didn't want to be a writer (or at least not in the sense of writing shit for money.)

If I don't want to read it, I don't want to write it. It's Nobel prize or nothing for me mate. Don't care to make a living writing crap for magazines in the meantime.

While I'm aware the chances or success are low with the path I have chosen, it doesn't bother me. So long as I can die having read loads of shit hot books, it won't bother me if I haven't written one.

what about writing leaflets or cooking instructions on the side/back of birdseye products??

bit like porn really

watched tons but never been in 1

Didn't think about leaflets.

I'm thinking an oval pic of you with stella can head on the front cover, above which "bolt for mod" can be read in big friendly letters.

It all unfolds out to reveal lots of nice pie charts that hammer home the message, and details of how the reader can get involved in the campaign.

i think the shewdies would smash the food guides market..........

[ ] cook for 15 minutes on gas mark 5
[ ] cook for 20 minutes on gas mark 5
[X] cook for 25 minutes on gas mark 5

sure shouldnt place on the middle shelf

Who's screening the people doing the screening?

Come back and say this again, when its your kids or your friends kids that get molested by someone this law could have stopped.

anything to do with child abuse is a step in the right direction!

The world (not just the best country in the world) is absolutely riddled with peado's these days, its sick!
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Sorry to open your eyes here but they have been around in their droves for years. It is only because youngsters are speaking out more freely nowadays that it seems it is on the increase.
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which is why this could be a good thing.

I'm not so overcome with laughter that I'm rolling on the floor and kicking my legs (don't think I've ever been that way in my life tbh) so that smiley would be inappropriate and maybe a little patronising.

As there is not a way I know of to have the yellow headed man tilt his head back and and give a big belly laugh, a simple lololololol will have to suffice in representing what reaction I had to the quoted post.

I'm confused by this post Maureen... Why do you have to be screened to look after your grandson? And who made you be screened and for what reason? My mum looks after all her grand children and doesn't have to and i have never heard of this before.

The use of could and not would.

There is doubt in the mind of the Dave, there may yet be hope.

I can't believe there are so many Blondites on here that are willing to just let Peado's carry on as usual!......i know you'll all say ive taken all of you in the wrong way, but how else should we take your words, when you's are all dismissing introducing a simple law to try to filter these bastards out of society.

fuck it, ill jump on the band wagon too.....

'Go on sicko's, jusy keep ruining kids lives, go on, may as well cos no-one is interested in ways forward to combat what your doing'




This is a very sickening and eye opening thread to me!

It's obv blondes aren't saying that.

How about we cage children up so the paedo's can't get them?

Remember to put a blanket over the cage otherwise the paedos will still be able to see the kids and show them their winkie and that.

The P in NSPCC does not stand for paedophile.

Protecting kids is kind of their speciality, and when they say that new legislation is a big bag of bollox, it's probably worth considering for a moment why?



Let's say I propose that my local council pays me 100 grand a year to go round schools and offices with my guitar and sing songs about how paedophillia is wrong.

Does anyone who says that this is completely ridiculous and won't achieve fuck all, is a big waste of money etc, a sympathiser of paedophillia and paedphiles and by extension a paedophile themselves?

How good are you on the guitar, before I let my opinion been known on this matter.

why wouldn't that be a good idea, it would open kids eyes to peado's, a step in the right direction!

anything is better than just ignoring legislations and allowing them to carry on!

Everyone knows my views, i shall not be on this thread again, so as not to lose anymore respect for people on here.

Wow at the ignorence....

EL OH EL!!!!

Explain please

I think George might be saying that spending 100k on Tank playing a guitar round schools, might not be the best use of public resources.

I have not had the previlege of hearing tank play on his guitar but his idea is quite a good one imo. Kids will ignore most advise but if a message is sent in a catchy song that they will remeber then the message will stay with them.

Can imagine it now at sunday dinner with family and friends.....

Dad: Sing that song you learnt at school this week Emma.
Emma: Bah bah black sheep have you a..
Mum: No Emma, the other one.
Emma: Just say 'NOOOO' to the PEADOOOOO, Just say NOOOOO to the PAEDOOOO la la la la

Grandma: Someone call an ambulance, I think grandad has stopped breathing

Lol, so funny.

To get back to the original thread, there cannot be enough checks on people who are caring for our kids in schools/clubs/hospitals etc.

Most child abuse was found in the immediate family but as kids have become more aware through school etc paedophiles are obviously having to find new targets.

I think 20% could be about right.

Im guessing you guys dont have kids?

I haven't actually read the whole thread. Someone just showed me this bit on msn as it was ridic.

The idea of someone singing to young kids about paedophilia is just a complete no no in my eyes.

Ok I see why you might think it unrealistic as it does seem a bit bizarre but its a fact that kids learn more through song than anything else. Give them a catchy tune with words and they WILL remember it.

Example...Hannah Montana is the queen of disney pop at the moment.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGdK4T7WUrA

No i don't have kids Suzanne, I just can't imagine any parent wanting their kids to be exposed to songs about paedophilla in anyway shape or form. If there was a 100k to be spent, I would want it spent on  checks/enforcement of the law etc. Kids under the age of 10 are going to have no idea what you are talking (singing?) about and why should they? They are too young to understand and I can only see it upsetting them.

I was a school teacher for a couple of years and went through checks myself, so am aware of some of the issues. One of the first thing I was told was never put myself in a situation where any false accusation could be made. As there are hundreds upon, upon hundreds of accusations made against teachers every year of which less than 5% are found to have any grounds for punishment whatsoever.

The idea of tank getting his guitar out and playing to primary school kids, I found very amusing, as imo it is a ridiculous idea.

Its obviously important that children should be educated about not talking to strangers etc but I think that's about as far as it should go at that young age.

Telling them about paedophiles at that age will do nothing but give them nightmares

First of all let me say that spending 100K on tank singing around schools as you say is a ridic idea...his face would scare the kids off FFS.

I did however think the idea of singing to kids with a message wasnt such a bad idea. My 5 years old neice knows the "Bone Song" word perfect.

When I was a kid it was drummed into me not to talk to strangers for all the good it did me . Perhaps a song sung each day in the classroom with the right words would encourage kids to speak out when something is not "right".

Does it really sound so ridiculous?

I would think one or two would suffice.


This doesn't make any sense. Most child abuse was found in the immediate family, as you say, but how do peadophiles have to find new targets because kids have become more aware through schools? I thought the "Don't tell mommy or I will hurt her" line was the most effective one for peados? (might be that I've just seen too many cop shows though)


I really don't know where this 20% comes from.


No I don't but I'd like to think that when/if I ever have kids it won't take away my reasoning or induce some form of hyper-paranoia about these things.
I also hope I will never utter the "I take it you don't have kids"line when someone disagrees with me about something to do with kids.

Wow this got a bit hot.

 Sc Dave,

Not too sure if you misinterpreted a post I made as it seems to be blank, but I have gone over and over for how these sickos can be somehow identified and there is no way apart from like I said before, once caught brand them, but that will never happen.


Celtic...

Answer to your question. A while back a team meeting was held to discuss ways in which Stacey could get help as she was never granted much help for the reasons that we assume was that Reece's illness is not that common. Therefore there is no text book guidelines to follow. But this team said hang you should be getting this that and the other, one thing was respite care for Reece. Now there is no way on this earth that that lad is going to anyone strange, a, for reasons like this thread and b, because he is ours and ours alone, we want to take care of him. So I was be be his respite carer, that is why I had to be screened. It also meant that I would receive a payment for having him on the nights I did, this however, has never transpired. Obv he has lived here on and off anyway, that was never a problem, my statement was to say how they screened me because he would , lets say be officailly in my care on certain night, but not Darren.

One guy got the sack at work for uploading child porn. He got the sack but got a job at Flamingo Land after his court conviction.

This doesn't make any sense. Most child abuse was found in the immediate family, as you say, but how do peadophiles have to find new targets because kids have become more aware through schools? I thought the "Don't tell mommy or I will hurt her" line was the most effective one for peados? (might be that I've just seen too many cop shows though)




Morning Boldie.

Kids grow up thus become too old for a peado  to be interested. Then they find their new targets. Maybe the awareness through school is making them more confident to get the hell out of the way, OR quite possible that it becomes aware that NO,  Daddy, Uncle bob, Grandad etc.. doing this is not normal and I don't have to do this at all.

Anyway off back to the fun threads enjoy...

It must be the best - a lot of people seem to want to come here!

More people want to come to the States.

I'm more of a fiddler tbh, but that idea was a non starter for some reason.

I lol'ed.

Lol

If society had endless funds I would agree that spending millions to protect 'one child' would be fine.

The fact is we don't live in an ideal world. A balance is required.

It's not only about money, it's about civil liberty.

Gun laws only prevent law abiding people from having guns, not the criminals.

These new screening laws wont stop the paedophiles, but they will cause a lot of ordinary well meaning people a lot of unnecessary expense and inconvenience.

IMHO of course.

An estimated 11mill people will need to be checked apparently;..but if we say this is not the correct figure and even half this that would be 6mill;

6mill x £40'ish pounds = MBN

Cost per check;

Type of Disclosure Costs include CRB fees Info
Basic Disclosures £38 ( plus £2.25 VAT ) more info
Standard Disclosures £46 ( plus £2.25 VAT ) more info
Enhanced Disclosure £51 ( plus £2.25 VAT ) more info
Volunteers (Standard or Enhanced) £15 ( plus £2.25 VAT )

Agree with you red however for me it is about money.

A total waste of money on this when people can't get treated for illnesses because its not 'cost effective'

You must have a point.

I said it wasn't about the money, but I went on to say, "but they will cause a lot of ordinary well meaning people a lot of unnecessary expense and inconvenience"

But this doesn't include the cost of appeals,which there will be shed loads..

I have just had my CRB report back and there are 2no convictions for which i never got found guilty on

1 of them ffs was a drunk and disorderly offence for which they said I had £300 fine, costs and banned from driving for 2 years wtf??

I believe the expense likely to be incurred here is unneccesary too. Sadly from in my family I have close experience of the fact that a lot of child abuse is from close relatives of the children. This type of abuse is far more difficult to detect, and indeed far more difficult for the child to counter by reporting etc as they often find it impossible to rationalise the physical act and the family relationship concurrently (sorry haven't explained that well). I have counselling training in such matters, and indeed have assisted families in these types of terrible situations.

Of course no one is going to disagree that we have to continually improve vigilance, protection and victim support. However it remains a subject where the average joe on the street is frighteningly low on knowledge

Only in 2003 a Portsmouth health professional was hounded out of his home by a lynch mob annoyed that a Paediatrician had moved into their neighbourhood.

Interesting article (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/11/isa_outrage_too_late/) in the Reg about it today.

Why not go the whole hog and make people apply to the government before they are allowed to have children? Would make this country a much better place.

And yes, I am being sarcastic, although now I think about it...

I have 2 kids, so feel qualified to give an opinion :). Huge waste of money, IMHO, it basically makes the assumption of guilt, and it is likely to do virtually nothing to reduce the amount of child abuse in this country. My kids are just starting at a new Beavers, and if I want to volunteer for the parent helper rota I now need to get vetted. This is for maybe 6 sessions per year, where I'd never be left alone with a child. And for that I have get the permission of the state??

I sincerely believe we are quite a long way down the slippery slope to a police state in this country. The government holds a vast amount of data on everybody, and it's getting worse.

i've confused myself.  was posting on my mobile, should have waited until i got home.

I was agreeing with you if that helps.

I was agreeing with you if that helps!!

Haha.

lol ok  ;)

Another nice FFS moment;

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20091001/tuk-tate-modern-removes-naked-brooke-shi-a7ad41d.html

can see what yr saying m8

but who in thier right mind wants to see a naked 10 yr old?

How did it get there in the first place. Hardly art is it.

Abs pmsl at Cos' song,git couldn't stop laughing at my desk at work lololol

Just say no to the paedooooooo la la la la