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so there i am, 6 weeks into my strenous weightloss and fitness program. everything going well, down over a stone. gets up this morning, go to the gym as usual. have a cracking workout feel really good. until i walked outside and realised the bastards hadnt gritted the paths in the carpark.

i go arse over tit. no problem, bit wet but no real pain apart from a sore ankle and feeling a bit of a plonker. go home, change clothes. drive 50 miles to see a customer, come home, and realise as i try to get out the car that i cant put any weight on my right foot. worse than that, i cant bloody drive either.

phone the missus who leaves work and drives me to the hospital - outcome : fractured ankle. complete rest for 7 days....

blatant looking for sympathy thread ? you bet :)

Is the car park ok ?

Sue them.
Even better..............................







Call Injury Lawyers 4U!

Not for untreated ice,if they had made an attempt to clear it and failed that would be different.

Apologies Laz, but I really LOLd.

Where there's blame, there's a claim.

Not sure if I quite follow this mate.

So if they say 'come and use our gym, park your car in our carpark', and it's been raining, then it's been freezing, would be reasonable for them, if taking care of their clients, to think it would probably be very slippy, so should either remove the slippiness or post warnings. They didn't, client suffered by their negligence, client sues, client wins (hopefully), client buys new huge colour TV and returns to Persistent Vegetative State, all are happy. No?

Maybe that has less of a ring to it than 'injured at work? Not your fault?'

It was like this today in Scottyland.

(http://www.vashtie.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/freezing-rain.jpg)

We call this 'a mild winter'.

Reminds me of the Health and Safety obsessed place I worked in last winter. Gems such as posters in the mens toilet warning of the dangers of wearing stiletto heels to work, and emails about the dangers of dropping coffee mugs on your toe ("a colleague in the Welsh office sustained bruising as a result").

Got to work one morning and the entire car park was like a sheet of ice. Very carefully crossed it to get to the office, logged in, and found an email from H&S saying 'please take care as the car park is extremely slippy today'.

Yeah, thanks for the warning you useless bastards.

According to the insurers of my fathers shop, ice is an act of God,if someone slips on it tough,but if he tries to clear it and someone is injured then he his liable.

:D

Why do people need to be warned to be careful on a slippy surface?

This mentality is why the country is in the mess it's in. Someone successfully sued our local authority after climbing a fence and falling into a pond on a wildlife reserve.

His argument? "The fence wasn't high enough to prevent me climbing over"

 

It's even frozen two of the racks from the world's biggest Scrabble set.

The lengths some people will go to just to get out of dieting at this time of year...

I think the gym is taking care of it's clients by allowing the carpark to freeze over. If you don't have the agility to make it to your car without going arse over tit maybe it's time to book in at reception for a new fitness programme. Fair play to the gym for testing their member's core stability I say.

Undoubtedly good for a few k there Laz if you can be arsed.

They will pay you that rather than fight it.

Act of god? How dare they? Thats against your religous beliefs!

;iagree;  ;tk;

Wasn't there a case in the US where a woman sucessfully sued a furniture showroom because she fell over some children who were running about and injured herself and they were actually her own children?

Depends if the gym actually owns the car park.

I remember when working for B&Q that we didn't grit the car park or make any effort whatsoever to make it safe in icy conditions. The reason being it was owned by the council, making it their responsibility. The second we interfere we'd be liable.

because sometimes you wont know its slippery perhaps

Well yes but the sign 'slippery when wet' gets my goat every time. Aren't most things slippery when wet? And ther motorway signs - 'beware fog' annoy me. It its foggy we probably won't see the sign, if it isn't foggy we will see it, telling us something we don't need to know. Most intelligent human beings know what fog looks like surely? WTF?

the gym will have a liability - as the risk is forseeable

the will 'own' the space by way of lease/licence/ownership and therefore be liable

it is not an act of god

there is def a claim

as for whether you put one in - or realise that you were just a clown! Well thats up to you  ;nana;

what mess is the country in plz?

Not as annoying as those who put their fog lights on when there's a slight mist and everyone can comfortably see the cars in front of them without being blinded by an unnecessary fog-light.  These same people then forget to switch the light off for about 3 weeks.

Or people who put fog lights on when it's raining. if you want to ensure I run into the back of you put your fog lights on in the rain - then I will be constantly dazzled by your lights and when you brake never see it and run into the back of you. Jeeze Louise.

Best driver by far on the forum is Andrew T - never had an accident.

but he has seen thousands  ;D
 





(thank you jasper carrot)

I am currently getting sued for an accident over a year ago, the teenager claims he now feels car sick whenever he travels in the back of a car. Obv this is from a direct result of our crash.

He wants (or should I say the utter shitster lawyers) want 3k lol, see you in court :) gonna rinse this as long as possible and the wife will defend me.

Of course, and sometines they won't know it's slippery. That doesn't make them responsible for you.

In the kind of mess where kids are not allowed to run in playgrounds. Where teachers have to wear protective glasses to write on blackboards (Except you aren't allowed to call them blackboards) Where you can't take a camera into a nativity play. Where you are held responsible for your kids behaviour, but you're not allowed to smack them. Where I can't pick up litter in my village because I don't have insurance....

for the record i wont be sueing, simply because i wont actually be suffering any financial hardship out of it. i wont lose any earnings, so i dont see what i could possibly claim for.

i do think though it is reasonable to expect the gym to take care of its customers by doing their best to grit the walkways (properly) and other parts of the car park. there was evidence that a cursory attempt had been made, but it was obviously totally inadequate.  considering that most visitors to a gym are going to be carrying a bag of some sort means that their balance isnt going to be perfect.

and yes, i do feel a bit of an idiot.

our definitions of mess are different. i went to a nativity play yesterday and everyone had cameras btw

This is just my definition for this discussion.

Nativity plays are great fun. (excruciating fun sometimes) Who did you go to see?

Any pics?

lol, my daughter, it was better than i expected, her grandmother took the pics

Teachers are being trained, by an anti bullying charity, to 'not interfere' when one child beats up another one. They are to wait until the incident is over and then deal with it. This is to protect against law suits. ;madasahatstand;

didnt a yank sue a ladder company after he put his ladder against some power lines, got electrocuted and claimed he was not warned that the ladders conducted electricity?

btw it sickens me this 'blame and claim' culture.

As with Reds post, it's not like that in most places.

Teachers have specifically had it clarified that they can physically restrain pupils, and legally there's no other way they can do it.

If any LEA is instructing teachers not to intefere until after a fight has finished then they're leaving themselves wide open to being sued for neglecting their 'duty of care' to the pupils - and that is a far, far stronger legal standpoint then anything that could arise from restraining a pupil in any way.

Just so Tighty, Tikay, Flushy and Co know in advance, I'm suing Blonde when it eventually costs me my job.

There is also legal precedent in the UK that people have a duty of care for themselves. In theory this should stop most of the stupid claims, but I know it doesn't always get used by either the defence or the courts.

As a lot of the American justice system was based on ours you would think that they had the same approach. Ridic that they don't appear to.

Our libel laws are FAR worse than theirs.

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This post offends me, ban plis

Unless the fog lies yonder

It's ok, the chances of us having enough to pay you out are zero.

Better than that Prew Diddy, you would only have to pay him loss of earnings if he did win.
Even Blonde has £13.50 a month spare.

Hah I would never sue a man with a face as cheeky as this.

(http://www.cheeseypoker.co.uk/Casino/CasinoPhotos/RPrew.JPG)

fyp

To be honest I think you should make a claim but not for financial reward just to make sure they don't get away with it.

Take them to court if necessary get a few k but make it clear from day 1 that any payout will be donated to charity.

Is it a big gym that you go to? Do they charge you about £60 a month? Then sue the twats imo!!!!!

They shouldn't get away with it. If you really think that the pathway was dangerous and that the gym should have sorted it then someone needs to learn a lesson. If you make a claim you can be sure that in future the pathway will be gritted properly for other users.

Why are they twats?

Cos they charge a lot of money for a service that's meant to help make it's members a combo of fitter/healthier/stronger but are negligent enough to do things that might cause those members to hurt themselves, as what happened to LazawayneRooney.

Twats. I bet they used hard concrete and tarmac for the car park and then neglected to pad it with pillows.

It reminds me of the answer a computer gave when asked the question "How can cars be made safer?" Answer: Remove the wheels.

Because they made an effort to grit the path hence they knew it needed doing.

Unfortunately they did a piss poor job of it which has caused someone to slip and break his ankle.

Somebody's lack of effort in carrying out this simple task has caused pain and discomfort to Laz. If it isn't highlighted they will just do it again which is the way it seems to be in the service industry, total lack of care.

did I miss something?

Or the twats behind them maybe?.........

Did they grit the bits of the car park where the cars go, but not the pavements?

Yes

fair enough, couldn't be arsed to read the whole thread to see if info had changed since the op. that's 7 minutes of my life saved, thanks

You're welcome.

Where is this info from? No mention of it in OP.

look about 3 posts above yours tom. laz mentioned it later on

Meh.

when do we take responsibility for our own actions?

When nobody else has an influence on them.

Laz was responsible for his action. The person who sprinkled a bit of grit on the path was responsible for his/hers.

Laz's action was to walk to his car. Because of someone making a bad job of gritting a path Laz's action could not be completed safely.

If the path was dangerous the gym should've been closed. Either that or they should make it safe.

They did neither hence they are liable. In my opinion of course. In court they may not be.

I just think its all gone a bit far, in my old house when it was cold the steps leading to the house were a nightmare, my mum fell down them on an icy day (also broke her ankle), now could she claim I should have warned her, could she sue my landlord or should she be more careful during icy weather?

Of course she could. She obviously wouldn't because she's your mum so doesn't apportion blame to anyonewhen this happens at your house.

What if your mum had fallen down the steps of her local tesco whilst fetching her shopping. You then find out that the steps were icy and that by a simple application of grit she wouldn't have suffered the same injury.

Would you be a little bit upset at Tesco? Or would you just say "don't worry about it mum. Let's just forget about it because this blame culture's gone too far"

Yes, sometimes people put in ridiculous claims but if it's genuine negligence I can't see any problem with claiming at all.

my mum did actually put a claim in, 3k it cost me... thats why i hate claiming so much!

wat ??? please elaborate, what did she spend your 3K on? did lawyers take a big lump? are you still on speaking terms?

she just bought loads of re-usable bags from asda.  we are speaking now, i've accepted it was my fault.  she wasnt going to claim but noticed i'd put a little grit down and then she knew she had me...

:) where do you live, might pop round for a visit one day

that just seems like a waste. the whole point of the reusable ones is you don't need loads, you just reuse the ones you've got. and if you get those bag for life ones they replace them for free when they wear out

The best claim that I heard of was some American bloke who bought one of those RV's(big mobile-home thingys) and took it out onto the highway for his first long trip and then put it into cruise-control.

He then went into the back to make himself a cup of coffee and was unpleasantly surprised when the RV could not actually operate on what he must have presumed was auto-pilot and predictably to anyone else but him, crashed.

He sued the manufacturers and won a considerable sum in damages as the court found that it had not been made sufficiently clear that the vehicle could not steer itself when in cruise-control !

Now that could only happen in America.

lmao

Loved the guy who bought a McDonald's coffee then spilt it all over his nads, got like $1M, very surprised to find out coffee is hot.

"""""79 year old Stella Liebeck suffered third degree burns on her groin and inner thighs while trying to add sugar to her coffee at a McDonalds drive through. Third degree burns are the most serious kind of burn. McDonalds knew it had a problem. There were at least 700 previous cases of scalding coffee incidents at McDonalds before Liebeck's case. McDonalds had settled many claim before but refused Liebeck's request for $20,000 compensation, forcing the case into court. Lawyers found that McDonalds makes its coffee 30-50 degrees hotter than other restaurants, about 190 degrees. Doctors testified that it only takes 2-7 seconds to cause a third degree burn at 190 degrees. McDonalds knew its coffee was exceptionally hot but testified that they had never consulted with burn specialist. The Shriner Burn Institute had previously warned McDonalds not to serve coffee above 130 degrees. And so the jury came back with a decision- $160,000 for compensatory damages. But because McDonalds was guilty of "willful, reckless, malicious or wanton conduct" punitive damages were also applied. The jury set the award at $2.7 million. The judge then reduced the fine to less than half a million. Ms. Liebeck then settled with McDonalds for a sum reported to be much less than a half million dollars. McDonald's coffee is now sold at the same temperature as most other restaurants. """""

thank god for that, at least mcd's have learnt there lesson

Did you learn your lesson?

I know I would've done. No more inviting mother round!!  ;)

we moved house because the old place was just too dangerous. 

The cruise control story is an urban legend, but the McDonalds coffee one is true.

Yep, never put grit in coffee :)

the pathways in the carpark are actually monoblocked, which im sure everyone will agree is treacherous when it gets icy.

what's monoblock?

have decided i am going to give them a call tomorrow, and speak to the manager and discuss in a civilized manner what happened, and basically give them a chance to not mess it up again, if that makes sense.

obviously if that doesnt go well i will take it higher up.

like block paving ?

ah, ok. I had a quick google but couldn't find pics. it seems to be a scottish term judging by the companies that appear on the google search

Tell them that you are a finely tuned athlete Laz, and this accident has scuppered any chance you have of making the 4x 100m relay at the Olympics in 2012

aye. they'll need to get you in as a replacement to run the anchor leg.

rhymes with...

Monaaaiii ££££. It's the language they understand.

They don't get 'responsibility' and 'duty of care' unless it hits the bottom line.

Just like they don't care if you get thin. They just want your monaaaiii! Take some back.

If you see a path that hasn't been gritted properly and yet decide to walk along it you choose to endanger yourself. If you freely decide to walk down an icy path and you slip over I don't see who's to blame but you. You could have gone back into the gym and complained and got them to sort it out. But you chose to walk down an icy path and you slipped over. That's it. You don't need to be Ray Mears to know if the path is slippy. I would like to add that the fact I'm the manager of a gym has no bearing on my opinions here.

no waiiiiiiii. tell us gym stories plz. link to your gym's website?

my gym

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/117/dsc00099hg.jpg

I don't think this is about grit or the lack of grit, I think this is about the mental high that Laz was experiencing having recently exercised in the defendant's establishment.

Allow me to present exhibit A your honour...


This state of conciousness that the plaintiff was enduring at the time of the accident, which can only be described as closer to complete euphoria than if he hadn't been using the gym's machines, is the heart of this matter.

All these endorphins that were released upon his gym sanctioned use of the cross trainers and the pedal bikes were certainly a factor in this unfortunate incident. They brought about the aforementioned concentration inhibiting euphoria that was to blame for lazaroonie to lose his footing on that perilous walkway.



Get well soon Laz
gtfo Evilpie
long live RED-DOG

:)

what a load of crap. how do you propose that i got to my car if i didnt 'choose' to walk on the path ? when i arrived at the gym i was wearing trainers, with a more grippy sole, so did not notice that it was slippy. it is also possible that it had got colder in the two hours i was in there, and had become more frozen. also it was very poorly lit (still pretty dull here at 9am) and was difficult to see that it was icy.

I think the lesson to be learned here is to get out of Scotland and move south to England, where the tropical cilmate means we don't have this problem with icy paths.

Like I said I would propose that you get to your car by walking back into the gym and telling them you consider the path unsafe to walk on. I would also propose that you wear the more grippy shoes in your bag when walking down a potentially icy path, especially since the path has prob become more frozen over the last 2 hours as you suggest. My point is that if you chose to walk down a potentially icy path, and you did have a choice, and you chose to wear less appropriate footwear for the conditions, you may slip over. And you did. I would also say that people who can't rightly assess the ground around them should avoid walking about when it's icy and dark or they might slip over.

you must be at the wind up.

from now i will carry a variety of footwear with me incase the weather conditions change  :)up

personally I hate it when people grit stuff, I like sliding on ice

http://www.icegrips.co.uk/icegrips1.html

very much this - it's like ice skating for nits

Nice. Do these fit Jimmy Choo Zebra Print Size 6? Out of interest.