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Is he the greatest player ever? Discuss.

surely he has to be.

Do you agree with Rooney's comments recently that you can't be classed as a true great unless you win the World Cup ?

Not much seperates Ronaldo/Messi and now Rooney imo

Messi was just incredible tonight vs Zaragoza.

Hes just been on fire in last 5 games or so, 9 of Barcas last 10 goals or something.

Less said about that other donkey upfront the better though.

lool tht was incred today.

THE LIOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

(http://thenightbirdcalls.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/cartoon-lion-thumb7786964-1.jpg)

Messi is so far ahead of these 2 its unreal.

The only question is, is he better than Maradona/Pele/Zidane.

The penalty was so funny, its like in 5 a side when your a goal down u give it to your best player to dog everyone and score.

Ever? No not yet.

At the moment? Clearly the best in the world.

The guy does stuff with a ball that just doesnt seem real, the best player i ever saw was Zidane but Messi is just orgasmicly out of this world.

Are we just talking about tricks he can do with the ball ?? I don't see any Spanish football but can't see how he could be that much better than Rooney on current form

If his career was to end tomorrow, he would not be considered as great as Maradona or Zidane for that matter.

My god he is so much better than Rooney can ever dream of!!!

Messi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everyone else (Including Pele etc)

Not a bad little dribbler but he's no Delap.

Ermm, your right, hes not as good as rooney on current form, hes better.

Hes definetly better than Alan Shearer imo.

Rooney is not the best striker in the world i would have Torres and Drogba ahead of him.

And no were not talking about the tricks he can do with the ball, if you watch him he doesnt really do a lot of tricks he just glides past players with unbelievable close control and low centre of gravity.

Also he's barcas top scorer and scores all types of goals.

Ps this a pointless debate comparing rooney to messi.

give me rooney anytime over these 2.

Gimme Torres

You have Torres

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm

How is that working out for you?

eh?

scouse bastard, we'l settle this on the golf course.

Game this week?

Second best ever IMO but definitely better than Kirk Broadfoot.

He sure is better than Allan Clarke was

yes defo, tues or weds cool?

Think greatest players ever debates are pointless.

Also think that defenders/keepers get the raw end of the deal when we're discussing great players

Nope - that's a ridiculous comment, some fantastic players haven't played in a World Cup because they play for smaller countries.

Messi's the best in the world right now, destroying teams ie his hat-trick last night, but he's still young and got time on his hands to get into the best ever frame. Great chance to showcase his abilities at the World Cup.

Rooney's outstanding & if he's to leave Utd I'd love to see him beside Messi at Barca, but I've still got Messi as the No 1, probably Ronaldo as No 2 (in more ways than one) then Rooney.

The debates are fun though.

Agree about defenders, not sure about keepers.

Messi scored 8 goals last week! 3 last Sunday, 2 on Wednesday and 3 again last night!

8 GOALS IN A WEEK FFS!!!

Move over Rooney, Ronaldo, maradonna, pele, the world!

He's still behind Mazzadona who pretty much single handedly won the world cup.

They are very similar though, can't wait for the world cup, true measure of greatness imo.

SSN are having this debate this morning, Messi,Roon,Ron. Season stats were Messi 34 games 30 goals - Rooney 39 games 34 goals - Ron 24 games 22 goals. On current form Messi is scoring a goal every 36 minutes !

It is likely that Messi won't reach the high expectations of him at the world cup imo. Having seen the mess the Argies were in qualifying he and the rest of the team didn't seem to have a clue what their role was etc.

Maradona obv trying to hold onto his spot as the greatest.

that's just over one a day. I once saw carl leaburn score 3 in 90 minutes

weeeee all agreeeee, leaburn is better than messi


this and it's not even close

Messi is almost certainly the best currently playing

best ever?

In no particular order, but all with a better claim to the title than Messi

George Best
Cruyff (Johann, not Jordi)
Zidane
Pele
Beckenbauer
Duncan Edwards - my dad's view, he saw him play.

strangely you missed out the greatest player of all time form your list.

Cherno Samba?   ;tightend;

ronaldo has to be in the mix (the brazilian one). people forget just how special he was

Fat Ronaldo was abs incred. Also greasy Ronalso was ridic good last year.

Lets just hope Messi doesn't suffer the same fate as Ronaldo,He was up there with the best strikers ever when he was in his prime.

He's been in great form but i'm not having somebody include 2 Sundays in one week to make him sound better.

I doubt that it is possible to get a consensus view on who that might be but I'm aware that I missed quite a few serious contenders

All of these debates get skewed by an obsession with 'now'

lest we forget, let's add to the list for consideration of Greatest Footballer EVER..

di Stefano
Puskas
Stanley Matthews
Bobby Charlton
Ryan Giggs


I can provides statistical support for the last two, but would probably accept that their inclusion is contentious :-)

John Charles...only British player to make it in Italy..A legend in Juve colours, voted their best foreign player ever.

Only player I am aware of that was frequently switched from forward to centre back during games, normally to hold the lead he had secured.

1948–1957 Leeds United 297 games (150) goals
1957–1962 Juve 150 games (93) goals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Charles

A really really old and knowledgable man i know swears by John Charles , he reckons he was the best player ever. Looking at his Wiki page he does look pretty incred!

This.

PMSL.

You are forgetting Anastasios Skalidis, To Madeira and Maxim Tsigalko. Surely the holy trinity.

Real life is overrated.

Don't agree with this anymore tbh. The CL has a far higher calibre of player and football.

omg, these were unbelieveable.

I found something again the other day actually. Me, Brent and few other friends used to have this little bookpad to write players down and stuff so we remembered them for future games. It then got known as the 'Champ Manager Bible'. It is legendry within our group, and will enjoy reading the little pad in years to come. Many comedy stuff wrote down and Positions to formation and value etc. loooool.

Also, you forgot Hadzemovic and Aghahowa (incred) [  ] also is in real life.

Martin Palermo FTW

julius aghahowa was the nuts.

Anyone for Teddy Lucic & Ibrahim Said?

Ibrahim Bakayoko.

The player who never was.

Ibrahim Said - what a centre half.
I currently play the 03/04 champ man.
Anybody know if Supat Rungratsamee is likely to break into the Pompey team anytime soon?

Ibrahimovic when he was at malmo i use to snap buy him for 90k!

Some of the others:

Kennedy Bakircioglu
Nuri Sahin
Sharbel Touma
Fernando Cavenaghi
Freddy Adu
 of the top of my head

Hahah when I said ^^^


I meant....

Can i present to you: The Paralta brothers.

Joao and Andre.

Ha Kim Kallstrom and Imbrahimovic were always snap purchases.

Can't be bothered to search but wasn't Anastasios Skalidis a completely fabricated footballer? I swear I remember a friend of mine saying that one of the greek scouts/researchers they used had just put him in for a laugh.

From what I recall a Greek programmer or two were getting the boot. So on Champ 01/02 v69 (which you had to download an update for) they booted a few regs such as To Madiera and shipped in the "super Greeks".

Skalidis played for Greek lower division side Chania (you wont even find Chania without the v69 update) he's worth 10k and starts with about ten 20 ratings and is easily the best player ever on champ.

Loads of players weren't real though even before that.

OMG Skalidis is real!!!!

(LMAO at the Moukoko interview!)

http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?1802-What-Champ-Man-Legends-Look-Like

To Madeira wasn't real - who knew?

Thanks for the link!

Oh the memories, countless late nights and going to school having been to sleep for like 2 hours! Catching up on sleep in assembly...good times!

Thanks Baron, brilliant.

Sad that Assane N'Diaye is dead now aged just 33. He was an essential part of all my defences on CM 01/02.

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whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat. He was incred.

Yeah, so incred. Sure dont wana get this game again and start a game on it now.

Sick about N'Diaye, he was ubelieveable aloing with Okoronkwo at the back.

Selakovic was just incred and Chiotis was the best keeper ever!


I know, sick. Remember him gettin World Player of Year for my Inter team.

Sigh thats hes gone that way.

Pretty sure Hugo Pinheiro was better than Chiotis.

meh, he was awesome too. But if i had to pick Chiotis>>>Pinherio

Network game?

You get Chiotis, i get Pinheiro.

Shotgun Tsigalko.

tommy jonsson at centre back too from the same club?

Very Nice:

http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_lionel-messi-replaces-beckham-as-highest-paid-footballer-in-the-world_1362910 (http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_lionel-messi-replaces-beckham-as-highest-paid-footballer-in-the-world_1362910)

There was a keeper at River, Franco Costanzo - different gravy. Only problem was foreigner rule in England but he pwnd Chiotis.

Ohh man Isaac Okorowonko - legend.

Yeah Costanzo was mint. Anyone ever sign Christos Patsatzoglou (sp?) think he was a RB/DM. Fairly sure it was the same DB and he was incred.

Yeah he was pretty good from Olympiakos?

Doing a prop with a mate where we pick top 20 players of all time and then ask frineds and whoever gets most +1's wins the prop. He is talking about having Cannavaro and Bergkamp as certs and how its so standard. Has to be in order too btw. Just going to put mine down quickly as got uni at 9 but will update it over next few days, suggestions too pls.

1.Pele
2.Maradona
3.Zidane
4.Johan Cruyff
5.Messi
6.Platini
7.George Best
8.Puskas
9.Eusebio
10.Gullit
11.Fat Ronaldo
12.?
13.Beckenbauwer
14.Shearer
15.Hagi
16.Ronaldo
17.Rooney
18.Maldini
19.Figo
20.Oliver Kahn

maradona number 1 for me without a shadow of a doubt.
cruyff 2nd

van basten just has to be in anyones top 10 let alone a top 20 awesome striker

Ones in bold ive put in, again this is from the top of my head.

missed a few out thinking about in now.......bobby moore, lev yashin, socrates, di stefano, stoitchkov, john charles and my minds gone blank

John Charles ftw.
"The respect Charles earned from Juventus fans was shown when, on the occasion of the club's centenary in 1997 they voted him to be the best-ever player to play for their team."

At his funeral, John Toshack read a self-penned poem. "A giant with a gentle touch, just watching him we learnt so much, I think you know the one I mean, the greatest player that’s ever been.”

Di Stefano too.

Don't forget Jay Jay Okocha

Platini said a couple of year ago if John Charles played today he would be worth at least £70million...

Yeah deffo have di Stefano in there and is Oliver Khan a joke?

Others to consider Garrincha, Van Basten and Eusebio.

Platini does talk a lot of crap though and I doubt he ever saw Charles play.

How does that vary from yourself recommending Garrincha/Euseibio/Di Stefano when you obv have never seen them?!

I am not saying they are worth 70miillion am I and don't have a record for saying things for whatever political thing Platini is trying to achieve at UEFA. If you want to take everything Platini says as gospel, you go right ahead.

lol, fk the politics, juts saying that Platini has opinion on a player before his generation being worth a lot of money, then you suggest 3 players, which I dont disagree with btw, before your generation who you think are worth being in the top 20 ever, I fail to see any difference there tbh.

Meh whatever, i am very sceptical that anything that comes out of Platini's mouth is not for political reasons.

Anyway if you are going to have Charles in the mix, Jimmy Greaves goalscoring record is far better.

One of the greatest free kicks ever

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojIK4mI0EJw

1 Skalidis
2 Tsigalko
3 Madeira
4 Mike Duff
5 Costanzo
6 Moukoko
7 Aghahowa
8 Kerr
9 Georcelin
10 Bakiriouglu
11 Okorowronko
12 Partridge
13 Samba
14 Valisyuk
15 Selakovic
16 Lunden
17 Chiotis
18 West
19 Said
20 Frey

Ok ok for me, top 5, probs Pele, Zidane, Maradona, Van Basten, Souness on principle

Thanks for the greatest first half performance by any footballer ever lionel.

That was something special tonight,wp Sir wp

Pretty glad i missed the first half....

hes just incred, no wonder paddys had the hatrick @ 6/1.

wht an incred player.

i watched it in an arsenal pub and they applauded at the end. barca are great, messi is even better.

if I said I think people are overrating how good he played tonight would I get ridiculed?

Not at all, mesmerising in the first half. Average in second.

Tsk - I watched it in an Arsenal pub in Finsbury Park and yet I was the only one to applaud his fourth goal.

I felt a right lemon.

pretty sure messi is the best player i have ever seen!

Fat Ronaldo was better imo, obv before he was fat.

V close call.

I honestly don't think it is, Ronaldo never was as good an all round player like Messi.

Potentially (which means sweet fa I know) he coulda been better before his knee injury imo. Quicker, stronger, fast feet, amazing turn, more two footed, ridic shooting. He was like Messi+Henry+Torres on the roids. Never the same player after that injury.

If you look at all he accomplished after the injury, WC, WPOTY etc, it just makes you wonder what if.