Title: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on March 21, 2010, 09:53:55 PM Is he the greatest player ever? Discuss.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Horneris on March 21, 2010, 09:55:04 PM surely he has to be.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: mondatoo on March 21, 2010, 09:57:22 PM Do you agree with Rooney's comments recently that you can't be classed as a true great unless you win the World Cup ?
Not much seperates Ronaldo/Messi and now Rooney imo Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: ChipRich on March 21, 2010, 10:06:41 PM Messi was just incredible tonight vs Zaragoza.
Hes just been on fire in last 5 games or so, 9 of Barcas last 10 goals or something. Less said about that other donkey upfront the better though. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: LeKnave on March 21, 2010, 10:08:31 PM lool tht was incred today.
THE LIOOOOOOOOOOOOON! (http://thenightbirdcalls.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/cartoon-lion-thumb7786964-1.jpg) Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on March 21, 2010, 10:08:45 PM Do you agree with Rooney's comments recently that you can't be classed as a true great unless you win the World Cup ? Not much seperates Ronaldo/Messi and now Rooney imo Messi is so far ahead of these 2 its unreal. The only question is, is he better than Maradona/Pele/Zidane. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on March 21, 2010, 10:10:08 PM The penalty was so funny, its like in 5 a side when your a goal down u give it to your best player to dog everyone and score.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Longy on March 21, 2010, 10:11:15 PM Ever? No not yet.
At the moment? Clearly the best in the world. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on March 21, 2010, 10:15:30 PM Ever? No not yet. At the moment? Clearly the best in the world. The guy does stuff with a ball that just doesnt seem real, the best player i ever saw was Zidane but Messi is just orgasmicly out of this world. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: mondatoo on March 21, 2010, 10:18:43 PM Do you agree with Rooney's comments recently that you can't be classed as a true great unless you win the World Cup ? Not much seperates Ronaldo/Messi and now Rooney imo Messi is so far ahead of these 2 its unreal. The only question is, is he better than Maradona/Pele/Zidane. Are we just talking about tricks he can do with the ball ?? I don't see any Spanish football but can't see how he could be that much better than Rooney on current form Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Longy on March 21, 2010, 10:19:22 PM Ever? No not yet. At the moment? Clearly the best in the world. The guy does stuff with a ball that just doesnt seem real, the best player i ever saw was Zidane but Messi is just orgasmicly out of this world. If his career was to end tomorrow, he would not be considered as great as Maradona or Zidane for that matter. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Scottish Dave on March 21, 2010, 10:21:40 PM Do you agree with Rooney's comments recently that you can't be classed as a true great unless you win the World Cup ? Not much seperates Ronaldo/Messi and now Rooney imo Messi is so far ahead of these 2 its unreal. The only question is, is he better than Maradona/Pele/Zidane. Are we just talking about tricks he can do with the ball ?? I don't see any Spanish football but can't see how he could be that much better than Rooney on current form My god he is so much better than Rooney can ever dream of!!! Messi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everyone else (Including Pele etc) Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Josedinho on March 21, 2010, 10:21:48 PM Not a bad little dribbler but he's no Delap.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on March 21, 2010, 10:23:02 PM Do you agree with Rooney's comments recently that you can't be classed as a true great unless you win the World Cup ? Not much seperates Ronaldo/Messi and now Rooney imo Messi is so far ahead of these 2 its unreal. The only question is, is he better than Maradona/Pele/Zidane. Are we just talking about tricks he can do with the ball ?? I don't see any Spanish football but can't see how he could be that much better than Rooney on current form Ermm, your right, hes not as good as rooney on current form, hes better. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: mondatoo on March 21, 2010, 10:24:54 PM Do you agree with Rooney's comments recently that you can't be classed as a true great unless you win the World Cup ? Not much seperates Ronaldo/Messi and now Rooney imo Messi is so far ahead of these 2 its unreal. The only question is, is he better than Maradona/Pele/Zidane. Are we just talking about tricks he can do with the ball ?? I don't see any Spanish football but can't see how he could be that much better than Rooney on current form Ermm, your right, hes not as good as rooney on current form, hes better. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Horneris on March 21, 2010, 10:27:48 PM Hes definetly better than Alan Shearer imo.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on March 21, 2010, 10:32:22 PM Do you agree with Rooney's comments recently that you can't be classed as a true great unless you win the World Cup ? Not much seperates Ronaldo/Messi and now Rooney imo Messi is so far ahead of these 2 its unreal. The only question is, is he better than Maradona/Pele/Zidane. Are we just talking about tricks he can do with the ball ?? I don't see any Spanish football but can't see how he could be that much better than Rooney on current form Rooney is not the best striker in the world i would have Torres and Drogba ahead of him. And no were not talking about the tricks he can do with the ball, if you watch him he doesnt really do a lot of tricks he just glides past players with unbelievable close control and low centre of gravity. Also he's barcas top scorer and scores all types of goals. Ps this a pointless debate comparing rooney to messi. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: LeKnave on March 21, 2010, 10:35:18 PM Rooney is not the best striker in the world i would have Torres and Drogba ahead of him. give me rooney anytime over these 2. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on March 21, 2010, 10:37:01 PM Rooney is not the best striker in the world i would have Torres and Drogba ahead of him. give me rooney anytime over these 2. Gimme Torres Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Longy on March 21, 2010, 10:39:50 PM Rooney is not the best striker in the world i would have Torres and Drogba ahead of him. give me rooney anytime over these 2. Gimme Torres You have Torres http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm How is that working out for you? Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on March 21, 2010, 10:42:06 PM Rooney is not the best striker in the world i would have Torres and Drogba ahead of him. give me rooney anytime over these 2. Gimme Torres You have Torres http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/table/default.stm How is that working out for you? eh? Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: LeKnave on March 21, 2010, 10:45:11 PM Rooney is not the best striker in the world i would have Torres and Drogba ahead of him. give me rooney anytime over these 2. Gimme Torres scouse bastard, we'l settle this on the golf course. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on March 21, 2010, 11:04:14 PM Rooney is not the best striker in the world i would have Torres and Drogba ahead of him. give me rooney anytime over these 2. Gimme Torres scouse bastard, we'l settle this on the golf course. Game this week? Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Maxriddles on March 21, 2010, 11:12:38 PM Second best ever IMO but definitely better than Kirk Broadfoot.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Linux on March 21, 2010, 11:17:20 PM He sure is better than Allan Clarke was
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: LeKnave on March 21, 2010, 11:52:50 PM Rooney is not the best striker in the world i would have Torres and Drogba ahead of him. give me rooney anytime over these 2. Gimme Torres scouse bastard, we'l settle this on the golf course. Game this week? yes defo, tues or weds cool? Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: George2Loose on March 22, 2010, 12:02:05 AM Think greatest players ever debates are pointless.
Also think that defenders/keepers get the raw end of the deal when we're discussing great players Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Rod Paradise on March 22, 2010, 10:01:21 AM Do you agree with Rooney's comments recently that you can't be classed as a true great unless you win the World Cup ? Nope - that's a ridiculous comment, some fantastic players haven't played in a World Cup because they play for smaller countries. Messi's the best in the world right now, destroying teams ie his hat-trick last night, but he's still young and got time on his hands to get into the best ever frame. Great chance to showcase his abilities at the World Cup. Rooney's outstanding & if he's to leave Utd I'd love to see him beside Messi at Barca, but I've still got Messi as the No 1, probably Ronaldo as No 2 (in more ways than one) then Rooney. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Rod Paradise on March 22, 2010, 10:03:06 AM Think greatest players ever debates are pointless. Also think that defenders/keepers get the raw end of the deal when we're discussing great players The debates are fun though. Agree about defenders, not sure about keepers. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Scottish Dave on March 22, 2010, 10:18:57 AM Messi scored 8 goals last week! 3 last Sunday, 2 on Wednesday and 3 again last night!
8 GOALS IN A WEEK FFS!!! Move over Rooney, Ronaldo, maradonna, pele, the world! Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: ACE2M on March 22, 2010, 10:21:04 AM He's still behind Mazzadona who pretty much single handedly won the world cup.
They are very similar though, can't wait for the world cup, true measure of greatness imo. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: pokerfan on March 22, 2010, 10:24:55 AM SSN are having this debate this morning, Messi,Roon,Ron. Season stats were Messi 34 games 30 goals - Rooney 39 games 34 goals - Ron 24 games 22 goals. On current form Messi is scoring a goal every 36 minutes !
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Longy on March 22, 2010, 10:35:56 AM It is likely that Messi won't reach the high expectations of him at the world cup imo. Having seen the mess the Argies were in qualifying he and the rest of the team didn't seem to have a clue what their role was etc.
Maradona obv trying to hold onto his spot as the greatest. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: gatso on March 22, 2010, 10:38:06 AM Messi scored 8 goals last week! 3 last Sunday, 2 on Wednesday and 3 again last night! 8 GOALS IN A WEEK FFS!!! Move over Rooney, Ronaldo, maradonna, pele, the world! that's just over one a day. I once saw carl leaburn score 3 in 90 minutes weeeee all agreeeee, leaburn is better than messi Rooney is not the best striker in the world i would have Torres and Drogba ahead of him. give me rooney anytime over these 2. this and it's not even close Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: david3103 on March 22, 2010, 11:16:00 AM Messi is almost certainly the best currently playing
best ever? In no particular order, but all with a better claim to the title than Messi George Best Cruyff (Johann, not Jordi) Zidane Pele Beckenbauer Duncan Edwards - my dad's view, he saw him play. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: ACE2M on March 22, 2010, 11:18:18 AM Messi is almost certainly the best currently playing best ever? In no particular order, but all with a better claim to the title than Messi George Best Cruyff (Johann, not Jordi) Zidane Pele Beckenbauer Duncan Edwards - my dad's view, he saw him play. strangely you missed out the greatest player of all time form your list. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: TheChipPrince on March 22, 2010, 11:25:06 AM Messi is almost certainly the best currently playing best ever? In no particular order, but all with a better claim to the title than Messi George Best Cruyff (Johann, not Jordi) Zidane Pele Beckenbauer Duncan Edwards - my dad's view, he saw him play. strangely you missed out the greatest player of all time form your list. Cherno Samba? ;tightend; Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: gatso on March 22, 2010, 11:34:36 AM ronaldo has to be in the mix (the brazilian one). people forget just how special he was
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: pleno1 on March 22, 2010, 12:51:42 PM Fat Ronaldo was abs incred. Also greasy Ronalso was ridic good last year.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: mondatoo on March 22, 2010, 12:52:47 PM ronaldo has to be in the mix (the brazilian one). people forget just how special he was Lets just hope Messi doesn't suffer the same fate as Ronaldo,He was up there with the best strikers ever when he was in his prime. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: gatso on March 22, 2010, 12:53:53 PM What about Shearer? Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Josedinho on March 22, 2010, 01:00:21 PM Messi scored 8 goals last week! 3 last Sunday, 2 on Wednesday and 3 again last night! He's been in great form but i'm not having somebody include 2 Sundays in one week to make him sound better.8 GOALS IN A WEEK FFS!!! Move over Rooney, Ronaldo, maradonna, pele, the world! Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: david3103 on March 22, 2010, 01:52:26 PM Messi is almost certainly the best currently playing best ever? In no particular order, but all with a better claim to the title than Messi George Best Cruyff (Johann, not Jordi) Zidane Pele Beckenbauer Duncan Edwards - my dad's view, he saw him play. strangely you missed out the greatest player of all time form your list. I doubt that it is possible to get a consensus view on who that might be but I'm aware that I missed quite a few serious contenders All of these debates get skewed by an obsession with 'now' lest we forget, let's add to the list for consideration of Greatest Footballer EVER.. di Stefano Puskas Stanley Matthews Bobby Charlton Ryan Giggs I can provides statistical support for the last two, but would probably accept that their inclusion is contentious :-) Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Acidmouse on March 22, 2010, 02:12:57 PM John Charles...only British player to make it in Italy..A legend in Juve colours, voted their best foreign player ever.
Only player I am aware of that was frequently switched from forward to centre back during games, normally to hold the lead he had secured. 1948–1957 Leeds United 297 games (150) goals 1957–1962 Juve 150 games (93) goals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Charles Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: sweet potata! on March 22, 2010, 08:38:04 PM John Charles...only British player to make it in Italy..A legend in Juve colours, voted their best foreign player ever. Only player I am aware of that was frequently switched from forward to centre back during games, normally to hold the lead he had secured. 1948–1957 Leeds United 297 games (150) goals 1957–1962 Juve 150 games (93) goals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Charles A really really old and knowledgable man i know swears by John Charles , he reckons he was the best player ever. Looking at his Wiki page he does look pretty incred! Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: The Baron on March 23, 2010, 01:20:23 AM Do you agree with Rooney's comments recently that you can't be classed as a true great unless you win the World Cup ? Nope - that's a ridiculous comment, some fantastic players haven't played in a World Cup because they play for smaller countries. Messi's the best in the world right now, destroying teams ie his hat-trick last night, but he's still young and got time on his hands to get into the best ever frame. Great chance to showcase his abilities at the World Cup. Rooney's outstanding & if he's to leave Utd I'd love to see him beside Messi at Barca, but I've still got Messi as the No 1, probably Ronaldo as No 2 (in more ways than one) then Rooney. This. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: The Baron on March 23, 2010, 01:22:49 AM Messi is almost certainly the best currently playing best ever? In no particular order, but all with a better claim to the title than Messi George Best Cruyff (Johann, not Jordi) Zidane Pele Beckenbauer Duncan Edwards - my dad's view, he saw him play. strangely you missed out the greatest player of all time form your list. Cherno Samba? ;tightend; PMSL. You are forgetting Anastasios Skalidis, To Madeira and Maxim Tsigalko. Surely the holy trinity. Real life is overrated. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: The Baron on March 23, 2010, 01:24:51 AM He's still behind Mazzadona who pretty much single handedly won the world cup. They are very similar though, can't wait for the world cup, true measure of greatness imo. Don't agree with this anymore tbh. The CL has a far higher calibre of player and football. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: ChipRich on March 23, 2010, 08:09:49 AM Messi is almost certainly the best currently playing best ever? In no particular order, but all with a better claim to the title than Messi George Best Cruyff (Johann, not Jordi) Zidane Pele Beckenbauer Duncan Edwards - my dad's view, he saw him play. strangely you missed out the greatest player of all time form your list. Cherno Samba? ;tightend; PMSL. You are forgetting Anastasios Skalidis, To Madeira and Maxim Tsigalko. Surely the holy trinity. Real life is overrated. omg, these were unbelieveable. I found something again the other day actually. Me, Brent and few other friends used to have this little bookpad to write players down and stuff so we remembered them for future games. It then got known as the 'Champ Manager Bible'. It is legendry within our group, and will enjoy reading the little pad in years to come. Many comedy stuff wrote down and Positions to formation and value etc. loooool. Also, you forgot Hadzemovic and Aghahowa (incred) [ ] also is in real life. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: mondatoo on March 23, 2010, 03:31:46 PM Martin Palermo FTW
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: dousche on March 23, 2010, 05:41:14 PM julius aghahowa was the nuts.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: TheChipPrince on March 23, 2010, 05:59:39 PM Anyone for Teddy Lucic & Ibrahim Said?
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: GreekStein on March 23, 2010, 06:05:03 PM Ibrahim Bakayoko.
The player who never was. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Josedinho on March 23, 2010, 06:25:23 PM Ibrahim Said - what a centre half.
I currently play the 03/04 champ man. Anybody know if Supat Rungratsamee is likely to break into the Pompey team anytime soon? Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on March 23, 2010, 07:00:07 PM Ibrahimovic when he was at malmo i use to snap buy him for 90k!
Some of the others: Kennedy Bakircioglu Nuri Sahin Sharbel Touma Fernando Cavenaghi Freddy Adu of the top of my head Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: GreekStein on March 23, 2010, 07:21:29 PM Ibrahim Bakayoko. The player who never was. Hahah when I said ^^^ I meant.... Kennedy Bakircioglu Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Horneris on March 23, 2010, 10:47:07 PM Can i present to you: The Paralta brothers.
Joao and Andre. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Royal Flush on March 23, 2010, 10:53:41 PM Ha Kim Kallstrom and Imbrahimovic were always snap purchases.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: dino1980 on March 23, 2010, 11:11:20 PM Can't be bothered to search but wasn't Anastasios Skalidis a completely fabricated footballer? I swear I remember a friend of mine saying that one of the greek scouts/researchers they used had just put him in for a laugh.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: The Baron on March 24, 2010, 12:36:28 AM Can't be bothered to search but wasn't Anastasios Skalidis a completely fabricated footballer? I swear I remember a friend of mine saying that one of the greek scouts/researchers they used had just put him in for a laugh. From what I recall a Greek programmer or two were getting the boot. So on Champ 01/02 v69 (which you had to download an update for) they booted a few regs such as To Madiera and shipped in the "super Greeks". Skalidis played for Greek lower division side Chania (you wont even find Chania without the v69 update) he's worth 10k and starts with about ten 20 ratings and is easily the best player ever on champ. Loads of players weren't real though even before that. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: The Baron on March 24, 2010, 12:53:15 AM OMG Skalidis is real!!!!
(LMAO at the Moukoko interview!) http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?1802-What-Champ-Man-Legends-Look-Like Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: The Baron on March 24, 2010, 12:53:59 AM Can't be bothered to search but wasn't Anastasios Skalidis a completely fabricated footballer? I swear I remember a friend of mine saying that one of the greek scouts/researchers they used had just put him in for a laugh. From what I recall a Greek programmer or two were getting the boot. So on Champ 01/02 v69 (which you had to download an update for) they booted a few regs such as To Madiera and shipped in the "super Greeks". Skalidis played for Greek lower division side Chania (you wont even find Chania without the v69 update) he's worth 10k and starts with about ten 20 ratings and is easily the best player ever on champ. Loads of players weren't real though even before that. To Madeira wasn't real - who knew? Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on March 24, 2010, 02:04:07 AM OMG Skalidis is real!!!! (LMAO at the Moukoko interview!) http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?1802-What-Champ-Man-Legends-Look-Like Thanks for the link! Oh the memories, countless late nights and going to school having been to sleep for like 2 hours! Catching up on sleep in assembly...good times! Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Horneris on March 24, 2010, 06:57:37 AM Thanks Baron, brilliant.
Sad that Assane N'Diaye is dead now aged just 33. He was an essential part of all my defences on CM 01/02. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Horneris on March 24, 2010, 07:01:40 AM A CRACK addict with a £500-a-day habit who robbed two taxi drivers at knifepoint in Northampton was jailed for nine years yesterday.
Justin Georcelin, 22, was branded a danger to the public and taxi drivers at Northampton Crown Court following a series of violent robberies last year. He was also handed an indeterminate sentence, meaning he will be on license for life. whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat. He was incred. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: ChipRich on March 24, 2010, 07:05:48 AM Thanks Baron, brilliant. Sad that Assane N'Diaye is dead now aged just 33. He was an essential part of all my defences on CM 01/02. Yeah, so incred. Sure dont wana get this game again and start a game on it now. Sick about N'Diaye, he was ubelieveable aloing with Okoronkwo at the back. Selakovic was just incred and Chiotis was the best keeper ever! A CRACK addict with a £500-a-day habit who robbed two taxi drivers at knifepoint in Northampton was jailed for nine years yesterday. Justin Georcelin, 22, was branded a danger to the public and taxi drivers at Northampton Crown Court following a series of violent robberies last year. He was also handed an indeterminate sentence, meaning he will be on license for life. whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat. He was incred. I know, sick. Remember him gettin World Player of Year for my Inter team. Sigh thats hes gone that way. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Horneris on March 24, 2010, 07:07:21 AM Pretty sure Hugo Pinheiro was better than Chiotis.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: ChipRich on March 24, 2010, 07:08:11 AM Pretty sure Hugo Pinheiro was better than Chiotis. meh, he was awesome too. But if i had to pick Chiotis>>>Pinherio Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Horneris on March 24, 2010, 07:09:50 AM Network game?
You get Chiotis, i get Pinheiro. Shotgun Tsigalko. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: dousche on March 24, 2010, 03:08:36 PM Selakovic was just incred tommy jonsson at centre back too from the same club? Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Scottish Dave on March 24, 2010, 03:25:00 PM Very Nice:
http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_lionel-messi-replaces-beckham-as-highest-paid-footballer-in-the-world_1362910 (http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report_lionel-messi-replaces-beckham-as-highest-paid-footballer-in-the-world_1362910) Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: The Baron on March 24, 2010, 11:08:01 PM Pretty sure Hugo Pinheiro was better than Chiotis. There was a keeper at River, Franco Costanzo - different gravy. Only problem was foreigner rule in England but he pwnd Chiotis. Ohh man Isaac Okorowonko - legend. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: dino1980 on March 25, 2010, 12:35:11 AM Pretty sure Hugo Pinheiro was better than Chiotis. There was a keeper at River, Franco Costanzo - different gravy. Only problem was foreigner rule in England but he pwnd Chiotis. Ohh man Isaac Okorowonko - legend. Yeah Costanzo was mint. Anyone ever sign Christos Patsatzoglou (sp?) think he was a RB/DM. Fairly sure it was the same DB and he was incred. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: ChipRich on March 25, 2010, 12:39:02 AM Pretty sure Hugo Pinheiro was better than Chiotis. There was a keeper at River, Franco Costanzo - different gravy. Only problem was foreigner rule in England but he pwnd Chiotis. Ohh man Isaac Okorowonko - legend. Yeah Costanzo was mint. Anyone ever sign Christos Patsatzoglou (sp?) think he was a RB/DM. Fairly sure it was the same DB and he was incred. Yeah he was pretty good from Olympiakos? Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: pleno1 on March 25, 2010, 02:19:57 AM Doing a prop with a mate where we pick top 20 players of all time and then ask frineds and whoever gets most +1's wins the prop. He is talking about having Cannavaro and Bergkamp as certs and how its so standard. Has to be in order too btw. Just going to put mine down quickly as got uni at 9 but will update it over next few days, suggestions too pls.
1.Pele 2.Maradona 3.Zidane 4.Johan Cruyff 5.Messi 6.Platini 7.George Best 8.Puskas 9.Eusebio 10.Gullit 11.Fat Ronaldo 12.? 13.Beckenbauwer 14.Shearer 15.Hagi 16.Ronaldo 17.Rooney 18.Maldini 19.Figo 20.Oliver Kahn Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: turny on March 25, 2010, 02:55:11 AM maradona number 1 for me without a shadow of a doubt.
cruyff 2nd van basten just has to be in anyones top 10 let alone a top 20 awesome striker Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on March 25, 2010, 03:17:49 AM Doing a prop with a mate where we pick top 20 players of all time and then ask frineds and whoever gets most +1's wins the prop. He is talking about having Cannavaro and Bergkamp as certs and how its so standard. Has to be in order too btw. Just going to put mine down quickly as got uni at 9 but will update it over next few days, suggestions too pls. 1.Pele 2.Maradona 3.Zidane 4.Johan Cruyff 5.Messi 6.Platini 7.George Best 8.Puskas 9.Eusebio 10.Gullit 11.Fat Ronaldo 12.Zico 13.Beckenbauwer 14.Jarzinho 15.Hagi 16.Weah 17.Van Basten 18.Maldini 19.Baresi 20.Lothar Matthaus Ones in bold ive put in, again this is from the top of my head. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on March 25, 2010, 03:23:38 AM missed a few out thinking about in now.......bobby moore, lev yashin, socrates, di stefano, stoitchkov, john charles and my minds gone blank
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Horneris on March 25, 2010, 06:03:00 AM John Charles ftw.
"The respect Charles earned from Juventus fans was shown when, on the occasion of the club's centenary in 1997 they voted him to be the best-ever player to play for their team." At his funeral, John Toshack read a self-penned poem. "A giant with a gentle touch, just watching him we learnt so much, I think you know the one I mean, the greatest player that’s ever been.” Di Stefano too. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Josedinho on March 25, 2010, 08:16:56 AM Don't forget Jay Jay Okocha
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: TheChipPrince on March 25, 2010, 09:17:08 AM John Charles ftw. "The respect Charles earned from Juventus fans was shown when, on the occasion of the club's centenary in 1997 they voted him to be the best-ever player to play for their team." At his funeral, John Toshack read a self-penned poem. "A giant with a gentle touch, just watching him we learnt so much, I think you know the one I mean, the greatest player that’s ever been.” Platini said a couple of year ago if John Charles played today he would be worth at least £70million... Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Longy on March 25, 2010, 09:58:05 AM Yeah deffo have di Stefano in there and is Oliver Khan a joke?
Others to consider Garrincha, Van Basten and Eusebio. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Longy on March 25, 2010, 09:59:15 AM John Charles ftw. "The respect Charles earned from Juventus fans was shown when, on the occasion of the club's centenary in 1997 they voted him to be the best-ever player to play for their team." At his funeral, John Toshack read a self-penned poem. "A giant with a gentle touch, just watching him we learnt so much, I think you know the one I mean, the greatest player that’s ever been.” Platini said a couple of year ago if John Charles played today he would be worth at least £70million... Platini does talk a lot of crap though and I doubt he ever saw Charles play. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: TheChipPrince on March 25, 2010, 10:06:05 AM John Charles ftw. "The respect Charles earned from Juventus fans was shown when, on the occasion of the club's centenary in 1997 they voted him to be the best-ever player to play for their team." At his funeral, John Toshack read a self-penned poem. "A giant with a gentle touch, just watching him we learnt so much, I think you know the one I mean, the greatest player that’s ever been.” Platini said a couple of year ago if John Charles played today he would be worth at least £70million... Platini does talk a lot of crap though and I doubt he ever saw Charles play. How does that vary from yourself recommending Garrincha/Euseibio/Di Stefano when you obv have never seen them?! Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Longy on March 25, 2010, 10:14:31 AM John Charles ftw. "The respect Charles earned from Juventus fans was shown when, on the occasion of the club's centenary in 1997 they voted him to be the best-ever player to play for their team." At his funeral, John Toshack read a self-penned poem. "A giant with a gentle touch, just watching him we learnt so much, I think you know the one I mean, the greatest player that’s ever been.” Platini said a couple of year ago if John Charles played today he would be worth at least £70million... Platini does talk a lot of crap though and I doubt he ever saw Charles play. How does that vary from yourself recommending Garrincha/Euseibio/Di Stefano when you obv have never seen them?! I am not saying they are worth 70miillion am I and don't have a record for saying things for whatever political thing Platini is trying to achieve at UEFA. If you want to take everything Platini says as gospel, you go right ahead. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: TheChipPrince on March 25, 2010, 10:23:07 AM John Charles ftw. "The respect Charles earned from Juventus fans was shown when, on the occasion of the club's centenary in 1997 they voted him to be the best-ever player to play for their team." At his funeral, John Toshack read a self-penned poem. "A giant with a gentle touch, just watching him we learnt so much, I think you know the one I mean, the greatest player that’s ever been.” Platini said a couple of year ago if John Charles played today he would be worth at least £70million... Platini does talk a lot of crap though and I doubt he ever saw Charles play. How does that vary from yourself recommending Garrincha/Euseibio/Di Stefano when you obv have never seen them?! I am not saying they are worth 70miillion am I and don't have a record for saying things for whatever political thing Platini is trying to achieve at UEFA. If you want to take everything Platini says as gospel, you go right ahead. lol, fk the politics, juts saying that Platini has opinion on a player before his generation being worth a lot of money, then you suggest 3 players, which I dont disagree with btw, before your generation who you think are worth being in the top 20 ever, I fail to see any difference there tbh. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Longy on March 25, 2010, 10:37:18 AM John Charles ftw. "The respect Charles earned from Juventus fans was shown when, on the occasion of the club's centenary in 1997 they voted him to be the best-ever player to play for their team." At his funeral, John Toshack read a self-penned poem. "A giant with a gentle touch, just watching him we learnt so much, I think you know the one I mean, the greatest player that’s ever been.” Platini said a couple of year ago if John Charles played today he would be worth at least £70million... Platini does talk a lot of crap though and I doubt he ever saw Charles play. How does that vary from yourself recommending Garrincha/Euseibio/Di Stefano when you obv have never seen them?! I am not saying they are worth 70miillion am I and don't have a record for saying things for whatever political thing Platini is trying to achieve at UEFA. If you want to take everything Platini says as gospel, you go right ahead. lol, fk the politics, juts saying that Platini has opinion on a player before his generation being worth a lot of money, then you suggest 3 players, which I dont disagree with btw, before your generation who you think are worth being in the top 20 ever, I fail to see any difference there tbh. Meh whatever, i am very sceptical that anything that comes out of Platini's mouth is not for political reasons. Anyway if you are going to have Charles in the mix, Jimmy Greaves goalscoring record is far better. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: ACE2M on March 25, 2010, 10:56:57 AM Don't forget Jay Jay Okocha One of the greatest free kicks ever YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojIK4mI0EJw Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: The Baron on March 25, 2010, 11:05:05 PM 1 Skalidis
2 Tsigalko 3 Madeira 4 Mike Duff 5 Costanzo 6 Moukoko 7 Aghahowa 8 Kerr 9 Georcelin 10 Bakiriouglu 11 Okorowronko 12 Partridge 13 Samba 14 Valisyuk 15 Selakovic 16 Lunden 17 Chiotis 18 West 19 Said 20 Frey Ok ok for me, top 5, probs Pele, Zidane, Maradona, Van Basten, Souness on principle Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on April 06, 2010, 09:58:17 PM Thanks for the greatest first half performance by any footballer ever lionel.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: mondatoo on April 06, 2010, 10:03:27 PM Thanks for the greatest first half performance by any footballer ever lionel. That was something special tonight,wp Sir wp Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Royal Flush on April 06, 2010, 10:09:09 PM Pretty glad i missed the first half....
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: LeKnave on April 06, 2010, 10:10:42 PM hes just incred, no wonder paddys had the hatrick @ 6/1.
wht an incred player. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: ACE2M on April 06, 2010, 10:35:12 PM i watched it in an arsenal pub and they applauded at the end. barca are great, messi is even better.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: pleno1 on April 06, 2010, 11:06:33 PM if I said I think people are overrating how good he played tonight would I get ridiculed?
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: maldini32 on April 06, 2010, 11:08:56 PM if I said I think people are overrating how good he played tonight would I get ridiculed? Not at all, mesmerising in the first half. Average in second. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: AndrewT on April 06, 2010, 11:18:29 PM i watched it in an arsenal pub and they applauded at the end. barca are great, messi is even better. Tsk - I watched it in an Arsenal pub in Finsbury Park and yet I was the only one to applaud his fourth goal. I felt a right lemon. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: railtard1 on April 07, 2010, 12:54:17 AM pretty sure messi is the best player i have ever seen!
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: George2Loose on April 07, 2010, 01:25:47 AM pretty sure messi is the best player i have ever seen! Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Royal Flush on April 07, 2010, 02:00:02 AM Fat Ronaldo was better imo, obv before he was fat.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: The Baron on April 07, 2010, 02:07:44 AM Fat Ronaldo was better imo, obv before he was fat. V close call. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: Longy on April 07, 2010, 02:18:47 AM Fat Ronaldo was better imo, obv before he was fat. V close call. I honestly don't think it is, Ronaldo never was as good an all round player like Messi. Title: Re: Lionel Messi Post by: The Baron on April 07, 2010, 02:54:37 AM Potentially (which means sweet fa I know) he coulda been better before his knee injury imo. Quicker, stronger, fast feet, amazing turn, more two footed, ridic shooting. He was like Messi+Henry+Torres on the roids. Never the same player after that injury.
If you look at all he accomplished after the injury, WC, WPOTY etc, it just makes you wonder what if. |