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After playing the DTD £500 event last week and managing to min cash, i was taken to the upper tiers with some nice Polish girls from Pokerstars to sort out the money.
The form was filled out and the money counted in front of me, before she then asked if i would like to leave a tip for the dealers.

Now i wasnt sure where i stood with this - i have never been asked to tip before (despite a couple of final tables at Brighton) and thought it was just something that the winner did.
I had finished 70th and won £850 - a nice sum, but take into account the buy-in, hotel costs, petrol, food and drinks and that didnt leave a lot of change.

I asked her how much was normal and she said between 1 & 3 %.

I handed over some money, but she then went from being the nice, friendly girl to someone who seemed annoyed with what i had given her and couldnt wait for me to leave!!!

2 questions - do people think its right that all players who cash should leave a tip?
And if 1 - 3 % is the norm, was the winner expected to give up £2,400 of his winnings?


I'm not being tight, but I worked bloody hard for those 2 days for that money, and not one of those dealers managed to deal me AA, yet i am expected to give them extra money on top of their earnings.

If ive min cashed im never tipping, if i win/chop it then yeah.

It abs pissed me right off when people ASK for a tip, if i wanna leave a tip i will other wise do one biatch!

Asking for tips almost certainly does increase the overall amount they get, but even without any other factors I personally wouldn't leave a tip if it was asked for.

Your not being tight at all.

You should not be tipping from a min cash in an event like that.

If the girl had that attitude then thats pretty bad.

As for the winner - if I won 80k I would maybe leave them a couple of hundred, not sure why anyone would think they deserve anymore?

I noticed it on the cash tables but it seems to have stopped now, maybe it was just my standard reply 'If Im up when I leave I will give you a tip, if your not happy with that I will explain to the table why its incredibly stupid to tip after each pot you win.'

Unless it was a decent cash, I wouldn't expect to tip. 

It's also certainly not mandatory, and you shouldn't feel coerced into tipping, especially as you only just covered the buy-in and other costs like you said.

If the nice Polish girls were particularly fit then they could be looking at £50.

If they were hounds they'd be lucky to get a fiver.

Sorry if that sounds brutal but it's just the way it works.

bubbled a £50 comp at The Full House in Reigate, but we had arranged a saver so i got my money back. was asked to leave a tip. laughed at the guy and never been back.

Do pokerstars take 3% off the prize fund for the dealers in addition to the 10% fee.  I know they did this at the EPT in London.  If they did then I think it would be pretty reasonable to tip nothing even if you won.

But I don't see a need to tip when you cash for this much anyway.  And if she got stroppy, I'd be pretty happy to take it back.

My attitude would be winner or those who chop tip, rest no need to

Interested if this is the case in the EPTs/WPTs/WSOP etc, or whether more widespread tipping is the norm


After all at DTD the players paid £60 each in juice. I suppose the argument would be that little of this finds it way to the dealers but I regard that as an employment issue for the dealers with venue/Sponsor/organsier, not a player's problem

Nice to know that everyone feels the same way as i do - i guess i just felt a bit awkward and was pressurised into leaving something.

At least i will know for sure next time.

i don't usually tip unless i win/chop a comp.  I was asked once (at equal chance) if i wanted to leave a tip from a min cash (not much more than the buy in back) and I left £20 at the time coz i was caught off guard and didn't want to do the 'wrong' thing.  Wouldn't do it again though.

Im going to email them now, explaining Im shit and I lost my £560 in record time. I was wondering if the dealers would like to leave me a tip?

I never tip

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I usually tip nice polish girls after a nice cash but that is usually after I have left the club.

It fckin grinds me people asking for tips - Vegas is the worse you end up paying tips on tips and they stand over you until you pay

if you are staked you have to tip out of your % presumably? never seen a staking request mention it.

To those who never tip - please never moan about a dealer/floor error.  If you expect to get someone competent/interested in their job for min wage you are dreaming.

To OP If you thought the dealers were competent, you should tip a small amount, if not don't tip and say why.

Why should you tip dealers for being competent?

You get paid to do your job, if you don't like it you should get another job, if you're not competent you should get sacked.

Someone asking for a tip is a joke IMO, for min cash its even worst

[  ]  Someone on min wage gives a shit

Its not them that need to.

I'm never leaving a tip for a min cash.

If I win a decent amount then I will do.

I'm not blaming them, I'm blaming the employers for not employing competent staff - still doesn't mean they should be tipped

I went to a club in Mayfair this weekend and our first round of drinks was £615. When I paid it on my card, our Polish hostess said 'and what about my tip?'

I wouldn't have minded if she asked in a cheeky way or said something like 'and you can buy me a drink' or 'dont forget me' but the direct asking for money shit didn't sit well with me and [  ] she got tipped at the end of the night.


A similar thing happened to me at the Irish Open, I was taken to the cashiers desk and the guy put the money in the envelope and as he handed it to me, he opened the envelope and tilted the money outwards. I went and asked Neil Channing whether I should tip and he said he'd only tip if he was in the top 3 so that made my decision.

I only tip if I'm in like top 5 or 6, and I think 1% is pretty standard...

I thought the dealers were competent (as they always are at DTD).

However, the guy i bought my train tickets from last week was competent and very helpful, the receptionist at the hotel i stayed in was competent, etc etc, but i didnt feel like i needed to tip them.

I have e-mailed stars to see what their response is.

lol what did you expect - she obv pegged u for a mug.

May aswell post a bank statement mate.

wat?

What do you expect them to say?  Other than give you a patronising response and actually pass your email around the office saying "what a dickhead"

i'm not tipping for a min cash. Top 3 only.


Contents of the round please?

never been to an expensive club then?

OP stated that he was taken upstairs by some Polish girls from Pokerstars obviously he was under the impression that they were employed by Pokerstars, so has every right to email them to ask if this is their usual policy.............no?

Geo

most number of brags in 1 post ever?

I drink in mayfair brag
I pay 615 for a round
i played the irish open brag (although you did miss you buy in brag here)
I cashed the Irish open brag
i know neil channing brag
he spoke to me brag

Great work  in only a few lines

I am absolutely proud to say I have never been to a club that charges that amount for a round of drinks.  

I'm absolutely proud to say I've never had to bump into you at one.

I'm absolutely proud to say I've bumped into Cos....................fml it was a cheapo nightclub in Luton

Geo

You should be much more proud that you are a big shot who spends £600 on a round of drinks and then stiffs the waitress.

I'm not a big shot at all.

I didn't like your initial douschey comment when you don't even know me or the circumstances around it.

Didn't stiff anyone. I paid a £75 gratuity upfront that comes with the table anyway but wasn't going to be asked for an additional tip for going to the bar and bringing over a few bottles.

If you'd pay a tip because someone asked you directly for it then you're a mug, but maybe you are.

OMG

Tipping for a min cash is laughable, when caught off guard can see why people feel obliged that they have too.

EDIT:  I mean being expected to tip for scraping into the cash.  :D

Its OK dude it probably wasn't his money

Coming from a dealers perspective here, just to put a new angle. However I am a player too, and have cashed multiple times while working at DTD, so can see both sides.

Dealers arent paid much, and rely on tips as a boost to your wage. Its a pretty vital boost tbh, because Im pretty sure wages are less BECAUSE we get tips, therefore the employer drops the loss in their pocket and has an excuse for it.

Ill be honest, I agree with the OP (and general view) on this topic. Tipping should be top 3 normally, however personally, Id leave a tip no matter where I cashed (Im literally the most ridic tipper in the world, I cant even help it lol). The top 3 are the ones who make the most profit etc. As a player, I know full well why a min casher doesnt tip. From a job perspective, I just care about how much I get at the end of the week/month. Lets be honest, everyone would. I found it annoying when dealers pushed for tips, but now, being on the other side, I know why they do it. Not that Im condoning it :P.

Its pretty frustrating when someone wins a comp and just walks off. Now I know tipping is voluntary and such, but sometimes people dont even KNOW about tipping in poker. Some people have to be poked that little bit, purely because they have no idea. That said, an event like the UKIT shouldnt have to be pushed for tips, especially from min cashes.

As a dealer, I dont take responsibility when someone takes a bad beat and blames me. I always tell them Im a random number generator and have no influence on the cards (this is true), and feel exactly the same way when Im shipping a big pot into someones lap. I dont see cash game tips as a thank you to me for rigging the deck and winning them a hand, I see it as a thank you for my professionalism and competence as a dealer, and therefore never push at a cash table.

I probably just rambled here, but meh, I enjoyed it :D

Who are you JK?

the space cowboy

This.

Just a random ex dealer lol

Steve Miller deals at DTD ?

Been a slow year on the music front

Feeling that I'm getting whooshed but isn't JK Jamiiroqui (sp) aka space cowboy?



Anyway, min cash, get asked to tip, just say No ffs...are they seriously asking for 72 lots of tips at UKIPT?

think its just a pretty standard pokerstars form which they fill out for you once you cash, on which one of the questions is what tip u want to leave rather than them taking the piss begging for tips.

Yes.  But this time...no.  

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I wish I actually was JK, but I just think Im cool. Plus my initials are JK. And my surname actually is Kay. And my name can be shortened to Jay. Hmm...

I didn't know Alan Carr played poker!

tipping when u min cashed is pretty redic imo

play online LDO.

I'd love to tip after a tournament...

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This sure is allowed!!

I really can't get my head around this idea of tipping someone because they're only on minimum wage and did a good job.If this it how it should work every time they get your order correct in McDonalds you should tip but nobody does,why? Also if you are playing the event via a freeroll and work in a minimum wage job do you still have to tip? 90% of the time I tip a taxi driver unless he pisses me off or I'll tip a waitress in a bar (obv never a waiter,ldo) but I'd also do the same to someone who was multiii if there was somehow a situation where I could tip them for doing something for me.People choose to do minimum wage jobs because for one reason or another that's the option they've had to take,people who maybe have more money shouldn't be guilt tripped into giving some of their money away.

Chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll fellas please.

I use to really enjoying reading blonde, but why, recently, does every thread end with petty, crap arguments?

they don't but more do than used to. Frustrating

Interesting thread about tipping, no idea why people make it personal

Because they're a bunch of petty ************

I inserted my own stars because I've been told off before for accusing people of having a low IQ.

Seriously pathetic.

A few years back I used to run a restaurant in Hampstead.
 Every few months a little old lady used to come in alone and always the first thing she did was give a fiver to the waitress and invited the staff to visit her home.!
 Always guaranteed first class service, because she was a certain Lady Armstrong who owned Bamburgh Castle in Northumberland.  :D

Tipping threads always end bad. Not a new thing.

Always Guaranteed first class service................. are you saying person who came in every few months and did not tip would not get first class service???

+1, dunno what the deal is recently...

if you're going to continue this argument can someone at least fix the quoting so I can follow who's saying what

Is dealing really a minimum wage job as seems to be assumed on this thread..? I was under the impression it paid better than that. What does a dealer typically earn at a licensed card room?

IF  you tip who does money go to ?

just the dealer on ft
all Dealers that comp
or all staff employed

How does it get shared out ?

I remember being put in postion by another player in Blackpool a few yrs bk. We had made the final table, and he decided it would be good of us to tip the waitress 600 between , i think 4 of us, ffs Daz had been fetching my drinks and when he didn't I was tipping, needless to say I rarely tip them too much now in case I have to do it again. Plus i was only up about 800 at the time.  Is that classed as tight too?

Don't know how they work it in the UK, but tips are pooled at big events in Ireland.  At least down my direction they are.  Dealers, reg desk and cash desk staff all get a cut.  Not sure of who else gets a share, but deffo those three groups do.  Usually amounts to 1/3 - 1/2 of what our actual wages were for the week-end...so a nice wee bonus.

Seems to me there's various problems with tipping dealers in poker that make it such a minefield, but the basic issue is that the tips sought are not based on a bill or a fee, and therefore bear no necessary relation to the service provided - so any comparisons with tipping elsewhere aren't really valid.

When you take a taxi or go to a restaurant, there is a correlation between greater service (longer journey, more food and wine ordered) and a higher bill. You tip your 15% or whatever on that bill, and therefore a higher tip will also tend to reflect a greater service rendered.

The comparable bill in poker would obviously be the tournament registration fee or the rake, which similarly bear a relation to the service provided, so I would think you could make a good case for basing tips on these charges.

As it is, of course, tips are based on prizes won - which don't necessarily have any effect on the dealers. If I'm a dealer and happy to work for £10 an hour for five hours, it makes no difference to me whether the players are playing for 20 quid or for 20 grand - my job's the same. So if I'd be happy with a £10 tip in the first game, why would I expect hundreds or thousands in tips from the second game? The danger is that this isn't about tipping at all - it's actually just seeing someone else with lots of money and wanting some of it.

fwiw pretty sure it's standard pokerstars policy for them to ask if you would like to leave a tip regardless of how much u cash for so i wouldn't get angry that they ask you, you can always just politely say no thanks. found the same at other european events too.

i like to tip but if they have taken a % out of the prizepool for dealers/floor staff then thats more than plenty (only found vegas casinos doing this although i guess it will come to us soon)

another thing which grates me slightly, after gukpt manch i left a tip for the poker staff/gukpt team and was told this wasn't possible, any tip had to be shared amongst all the croupiers and grosvernor managers too. probably should of kicked up more of a fuss about this but w/e i won't be tipping at gukpt events again if my money isn't going directly and exclusively to those that i want to tip (ie. dealers and gukpt team)

Asking is fine imo. Having an attitude because your decline is not.

i always get bullied into leaving a tip even though i want to quote this clip!

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHi8P85augw

Absolutely ridiculous tipping for a min cash, would not tip more than 1% either.

Not that balla "paid it on my card"

Just seen this via twitter:

Waitress sacked for Facebook gripe over tip http://bit.ly/aFlm8Z

I don't get why that is news.

Because it's on the guardian news page?

too right she should be sacked, im sure if a dealer went home on wrote on his page about a player been a nob and not tipping at DTD she/he would be sacked too

lol true

I just thought that getting fired for saying bad shit on a social networking site had become a pretty standard thing. Surprised it still makes the nationals.

If the person is named, sure. I don't think people should be denied the right to vent a frustration, though.

what happened to that dealer who came on here bitching about a specific players tip? did he get sacked? memory is a bit vague on this one but it might've been an EC dealer moaning about m3boy

I remember the thread (was the same tourney i mentioned where I was asked to leave a tip) - dunno if it was ever confirmed if it was a dealer though.  

edit: found it http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=32024.0

Arr pipped..by Claw..

I've confused myself after reading that thread back and not convinced it was there that I was asked if i wanted to leave a tip - think I was getting muddled with the tannoy announcement thing.

Because facebook causes cancer and war and stuff.

I hope dealers or cardroom staff don't get sacked for coming onto forums and bitching about players stiffing them.

One of my ambitions is winning a massive comp, but gettinfg shitty service on Day 1. Dealers slow, dying of thirst etc.

I win 1st place, no deals, a nice six figure sum in the back pocket and then leave the staff a tenner.

It would make me very sad if the staff were all to professional to come on here and out me as a tight sod.

I would love the oppurtunity to treat a bunch of minimum wage workers in my own area, maybe the ones who work outside in all weathers, and the ones who clean toilets etc, to a massive night out with 3% of the prize pool. I'd get them all completely chicken nuggered and comission a big group photo where we're all flipping V signs at the camera.

I want to post this picture on the thread where some member of cardroom staff outs me, I want to just post the picture and offer no explanation. Less is more.

Knowing my luck if I ever bink 6 figures in a live comp the service will be excellent throughout and I'll just leave a tip like anyone else would. Fml I run bad.

tank if you bink the blonde bash main event you can take the likes of dawn and myself out for a shandy and we'll happily pose for your pic with you.

Cheers Claire, but photo won't pack the same visual punch if it's just me with a bunch of attrative women.

Might buy yous a shandy anyway as I'm that damn generous.


















I'll ask the barperson to put it in two glasses so it doesn't look like you're sharing.

I dont see what the fact they are on minimum wage has to do with anything.

I rarely play anywhere else other than DTD, I think I tip well there as I like a lot of the staff and a few of them make a good night great with a bit of banter at the table.

If I went to the GUKPT in Coventry and binked the lot I probably wouldnt be leaving more than £100 and they would only get that if I thought that some staff had done more than their job dictated.

I would be much more inlined however to tell them to GTFO at the cash desk, meet the better dealers/valets later and give them cash directly as I would hate to think I had indirectly made some miserable shits day more profitable.

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[  ] will be looking attractive

My charm dial has two settings, sickening and non existant.

We're flexible

just on the note of facebook


do employers check peoples facebook pages and their status.

is it a big factor for employing ppl?




my friend had a go at me coz he thought i posted something unappropriate on his status. He said his employers and work collegues can  see this.

i thought he was an idiot


he posted I have a good idea to make me sleep easier. alcohol + medicine = sleep.

my reply was spankwire.com

http://youropenbook.org/

Didn't bother me, but might proper annoy the next person.  Can't see how either of you was better or worse from an employer's point of view though.

Of course employers use Facebook to check on potential and current employees.  They also use Linkedin and the more aware will Google or use something like that link Bongo posted.

if you never ask, youll never know
id rather they asked then me not knowing im supopsed to leave a tip then finding out later and feeling like a ****

Why on earth would you ever be "supposed to leave a tip"? A tip is something completely optional that you can leave if you feel like you've received good service.

I always have a look on Facebook when anyone is off work here to see if they have had a big night out.
In the same way pre interviews we look to see who has a profile on Facebook and it gives you your first impression of them.

Another reason not to have facebook IMO

WTF? I hope there was a shag included in that.........(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/basic/smileyvault-blink.gif)

Not sure about shag but definate cock involvement

it's easy enough to make your facebook profile private, and don't be friends with your boss, ldo

Hello Everyone,

I and the rest of the DTD Management have been viewing the comments here and we wanted to clarify a few things on behalf of DTD.

1.   Pokerstars floor staff advised us that this is how they did EPT’s and they would like to use the same procedure at DTD.
Once we realised it was from 72 places and not just the final we decided against it and reverted back to the usual procedures at the cash desk.

2.   DTD management does not and never have taken any of the tips, staff have to manage these themselves and they distribute them according to hours worked, DTD management do not handle any of the money.

3.   DTD management doesn’t encourage tips and like all the other people I personally tip if I receive good service or make a final, not likely since DTD opened LOL

I hope this clarifies the situation

Try it you might be a happier person :D

Best phrase ever.