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has now scored a prem goal for man u in 21 straight seasons

abs remarkable, no-one's ever going to come close to repeating that

well, top flight anyway, he probs predates the prem

Prob done enough to be SPOTY again now.

Abs incred...

But Scholes>>Giggs

Nice level

Sure is,most underrated player to ever play in the premier lge FACT

Okay i'll fully admit he is the most underrated player ever, (as its FACT afterall). 

Still Giggs is rated perfectly just above >>>>> Scholes.

Scholes is a much better player and more influential than Giggs,and has been for a long time.

Fergie clearly thinks so as well as Scholes has been selected more often in recent years,especially in europe.

Scholes might be the best English player to have played in the Prem.

Zidane said Scholes is the best player he ever played against

Actually scrap the might part,he is.

you think so? does anyone not rate him?

Paul Scholes is the best midfielder to have ever played in the premiership.

lol they are both scum but Scholes is a lot better.

Scholes is a dirty scummy bastard.

Giggs is class, always has been always will be.

lol they're both class

Behind Keane and Vieira imo.

And Makelele for me personally but i'm obviously being biased there and hard to argue with the difference in time spent in the league.

lol at best english player to have played in the prem, pretty sure shearer would have something to say

id go just giggs>>scholes

lol @ underrated. The pundits etc suck him off all the time

Gazza the best English midfielder to grace the pitch, who ruined his life and career!

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+1 to that.

My fave all time player

yeah he'd say "Count my medals..."

Just laughable that Shearer could be considered in this context.

LOL at that being the measurement for how good a player is.The fact Scholes has never won player of the year shows how underated he is imo.

Scholes is different class. For me not ahead of Keane or Vieira but he's a different player and is still dicking on almost everyone else. I prefer Gerrard but then I'm a red, ldo. He's miles more influential than Giggs - it's not even close.

It's tough to say if he's the best Englishman ever in the EPL. He's only scored more than 15 goals in a season once in his life and cant tackle for toffee but then he's from an era that pre dates the holding midfielder in England so for me he's right up there. In today's 4-2-3-1 era he'd be amazing just off the front man. On a side note how good could he be as a holding midfielder as shown at times last season?

England have missed Scholes so much.

scholes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gascoigne imo.

Hard to disagree. Probably the most complete English player for his position in the prem. I shudder to think what would have happened had he gone to Utd.

so does shearer!

He sure does

i know he is a legend in his home town, but he sometimes must lay awake a night knowing that he has no medals from the prime of his career!

Best player to have won fk all

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It's pretty com how bitter the Man U fans still are that he turned them down(twice) when they still sing cheer up Alan Shearer years after he retired.

I'd rather be a legend in my home town then win medals for a club I didn't give a shit about.

This is BS. I'm sure Shearer regrets deep down not going to United.

Do you think 'good lookin' Gary Neville would have chosen Utd or Chelsea in the same spot? Easy right. Had he ended up with no trophies do you think he'd have regretted his choice to go to Utd?

Didn't Gerrard support Everton has a boy? And Carragher?

Gerrard no.

Carragher Fowler McManaman yes.

No one is more anti-Everton than Carragher now. He'd rather win one merseyside derby than ten Vs yous lot.

If he regretted it why didn't he sign for them when they came in for him from us ? I wouldn't regret it one bit and I don't no anybody who would.

Blackburn wouldn't sell him to us. Simple.

Surely it's a contradiction then that he had a choice?

I always knew it as two bids accepted, Newcastle's second as Keegan knew he couldn't let Shearer go to Utd.

Man U tried to buy him from us later in his career he wasn't interested.

Owen was a toffee as well.

Heis famed for just asking two questions- what number shirt and who took penalties. Blackburn would not sell him to us- imagine Cantona and Shearer up front at the time. We would have been unstoppable

Point I'm trying to make is that maybe, at the time, given the choice he would have picked his home town club over any other. The pull is obviously huge.

However when he looks back on his career of nothingness, maybe just maybe he should have dug his heels in and said he would only sign for United.

People always over-estimate how much of a loss he was to United.

I mean he was an incredible striker but didn't United win something like 8/12 titles when he was at his playing peak anyway,not like they went trophyless without him.

He has a bar named after him under the ground,he's thought as probably our best ever player and he's an absolute God to every Geordie.Why would he want to change that for medals and to be just another one of the 20-30 legends at Man U.It seems like a simple choice to me ??

Because Monda surely professionals play football to win? The best want to achieve something. They want something to look back on? Who gives a shit if you have a bar named after you at the ground? He was held in such high esteem that Hughton got the job ahead of him in the championship even tho he made it quite clear he wanted the job

Fans don't pick the manager,he didn't get the job because he demanded money to buy better players whereas hughton is a yes man.Yes he wanted to win but I would rather give my all for my home town and hope to compete(bar 2 cup finals yes I know we didn't) then play for someone else and win every trophy every year,if medals mattered that much to him he wudn't have retired so early from England would he ?

Fair enough if that is what happened, but googling brings up a lot of articles suggesting both that BRFC rejected Utds bid and that Shearer rejected Utd. Obv Utd wouldn't want to say they lost out to NUFC (you always say they weren't interested when they lose out on a transfer) and Shearer would never admit wanting to go to Utd.

But the fact that every Utd fan I know have taken it that "he made the wrong choice", and the fact that all of the articles about Walker rejecting Utds bid seem to be written by fans (as opposed to direct statements by Keegan at the time and Shearer in his Biography) leads me to think it's more likely that he did probably choose where he wanted to go.

Interesting to hear the second side of ther story anyway.


Do you think Bryan Robson looks back and wishes he signed for Liverpool? I don't think anyone who is a fan of their club could think that. It would be like me wishing I was brought up a Utd fan.

True but it would have been more in Europe - that I am sure of.

who are you talking about?

Depends. Did Robson ever have the choice?

Shearer

Hypothetically speaking.

ah ok, I misread it as you meaning someone who'd left united that they missed

yeah they were still hugely dominant without him but they would've won the lot with him

Shearer still won the title. I know it's only once but he had the medal. He knew he was good enough to win the league but would rather have tried to do it with his home club than move just because he'd win more medals.
Didn't Gerrard says "it's alright winning medals but when you go home who are you going to show them to?"

Same Gerrard who almost left Liverpool twice?

That's the one. Offered more money and more medals and didn't go.

I think it's pretty obv Robson would never really have that thought - not sure why it'd be different for Shearer. Both seem to be fellas of their word.

So it's abso nothing to do with the fact that Liverpool had chances to win things? He stayed because they were competitive not just because he loves the club.

If he didn't believe he could win things with Liverpool he would be pulling the Blue jersey on as we speak

After last season we may not win anything else in his career. Surely this summer was the perfect time to go then?

Tbf I think it would be hard for any Man U fan to understand where other supporters are coming from here so will have to agree to disagree.

cba to read the thread. too many man utd bumlickers who've probably taken a road trip to old trafford once to see those guys play

Been to old trafford quite a few times. Even if i hadnt dont c how that makes any difference.

Probably best you stick to manu players, rather than get things wrong about Gerrard.

Do you buy the shirt most seasons too?

:)

Used to bud when I actually played the game

He didn't almost leave then?

Lost this thread a bit.

Gerrard not leaving Liverpool is somehow related to Shearer preferring NUFC to MUFC.

Another Q for Utd fans... When you won the CL in 08 Ronaldo wanted out to the shambolic Real Madrid. Does this resonate a bit more with regards to a player going to a club he loves over one where he can win more? (based on 08 as I expect Real to win everything in the near future)

Think my point has been lost:

1) I'm not saying Shearer wakes up every morning with a pang of regret- looking the mirror crying because he didn't join United. However I would imagine when you look back on a career with one significant medal to your name it must make you wonder

2) I AM saying that surely the best footballers want to win things. I'm sure there's the odd Scunthorpe fan playing in the prem- does that mean they'd drop down to join them in the prime of their career?

3) If Ronaldo had supported FC Porto as a child I very much doubt he would be playing there today even if they could afford him. He's gone to Real because he primarily believe he CAN win things with them

4) Gerrard would be pulling on a Chelsea strip right now again if he didn't believe his beloved home town club couldn't be competitve

All sounds fair enough to me.

My point was the most loyal players will sacrifice a level of competitiveness (say maybe a few trophies and the odd league title challenge) to play at a place they really love.

ie, Ronaldo, Shearer etc.

The only reason Gerrard won't leave Liverpool, is because no clubs that are challenging for the titles in Spain, England, and Italy don't want him ,and would cost to much for a player who is 30.

He didn't stay for the reason you stated.

He used to watch Liverpool play from the Kop when he was a kid.

I was right about Carragher tho? He was a bluenose and now plays for their arch rivals?

Why did Gerrard stay then?

Basically, you're guesing. IF he'd said he wanted to go this summer he'd be allowed to. It's now more to do with his wife and kids being at home than about anything football related.

Most of the famous Utd youth team that dominated the 90's were players pinched from acadamies around the country. I don't get your point?

was just checking with boshi that I was right about carrgher seeing as he's some inside informant

Eh? 

I just said you'd got your facts wrong.  Of course Carragher was a bluenose when he was a kid, he hated Liverpool.  As Aaron said, he now is a Red through and through, and this came from the way he was treated by some Everton fans after a Liverpool match. 

As for Gerrard, it's hardly inside information.  It's all out there in the public domain for you to read.

Sorry bud thought you'd intimated that you had some inside info on why Gerrard stayed at Liverpool

just thought i'd remind a few, when shearer signed for his beloved home town club, the mighty toon were the 2nd best team in the country and by far the best to watch. with the potential to be the best. 2nd in the prem 2 years running, so obviously no fluke 95/96 96/97.
   another fact that seems to be missed, is that blackburn had agreed to selling shearer to manshitster united for £18,000,000. it was almost a signed deal, but shearer pleaded with the blackburn board to not let him go to, newcastle were asked if they could match the £18million and they came back with the most they could get together £15,000,000. a world record at the time. which blackburn were overjoyed at losing out on 3 mill'  :)
    to compare shearer to glory hunter greedy c****  i.e. ronaldo and co......sorry what utter bollocks, shearer was a man of pride, he was brought up like most geordies to hate sunderland and man united (but doesn't everyone other than manshitster united fans hate man u, most manc's do) would he swap his newcastle career for medals? would he fk.....ofc he wanted to win things, but he wanted to win them for he team he loved........ not for a team of glory hunters.
   shearer still holds the record for the highest ever goal scorer in the prem, and his biggest achievement is breaking jackie milburns record as newcastles highest EVER goal scorer, and for that he will be remembered for eternity where it matters.......his home town.

   loyalty and pride FTW

Do the people that suggest any big club doesn't want Gerrard not watch football,if Gerrard played for Sunderland I'd still admit he is abs class,LMAO at anyone stupid enough to suggest Man U/Chelsea/Madrid/Barca wouldn't want him he's much better than Man U's best midfielder and it ain't even close.

he's not a bad dj fighter aswell, and even better at getting off with it looool


but if he signed for scumderland i would 1stly question his sanity and 2ndly hate him.......pure class for club.......but international? ? ? ?

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