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OK I feel like I'm reaching a watershed moment in poker career so to speak. I know how good/bad I am and have a long way to go to consider myself alongside some of the sick Brits.

My game is kinda a hybrid of old and new school and I'm keen to do really well.

I'm putting in a ton more volume online with mixed results.

Seeing as I can't keep a real diary going I've decided to post some spots from online/live tourneys which I've caused me particular trouble. Some of these might be basic/ some tricky. I'm hoping we can all learn and this can be used by players of all levels. Also hoping some of the sicker mtters (you know who you are) will contribute.

OK first hand.

Deepish in big 55. 180 left so a long way off the deece money.

My image is pretty solid but have been opening a few hands.

Villian is very decent reg. I've just 4 bet jammed on him after I opened AK from hijack, c off peeled and villian made it 8.5k from blinds. I jammed for 35k and he folded.

What is the best line here and why?

PokerStars Hand #76872357329: Tournament #563010574, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (700/1400) - 2012/03/08 23:37:28 WET [2012/03/08 18:37:28 ET]
Table '563010574 98' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Vinni-jok (71626 in chips)
Seat 2: robot139 (30171 in chips)
Seat 3: VonStieglitz (7990 in chips)
Seat 4: Gags30 (42925 in chips)
Seat 5: mement_mori (6210 in chips)
Seat 6: RonaldKosh (22690 in chips)
Seat 7: adrinun (47033 in chips)
Seat 8: xXAlCapwnXx (69139 in chips)
Seat 9: George2Loose (52874 in chips)
Vinni-jok: posts the ante 175
robot139: posts the ante 175
VonStieglitz: posts the ante 175
Gags30: posts the ante 175
mement_mori: posts the ante 175
RonaldKosh: posts the ante 175
adrinun: posts the ante 175
xXAlCapwnXx: posts the ante 175
George2Loose: posts the ante 175
George2Loose: posts small blind 700
Vinni-jok: posts big blind 1400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Ac Jc]
robot139: folds
VonStieglitz: folds
Gags30: raises 1400 to 2800
mement_mori: folds
RonaldKosh: folds
adrinun: folds
xXAlCapwnXx: folds
George2Loose:

Calling surely a very viable option, our hands plays good post-flop and he will almost certainly barrel at the boards we hit and he opens a lot of dominated hands (AT, JT, QJ, KJ, A9) etc

you're going to chk/fold the best hand a ton post-flop but then you OOP vs a very good player so it's not the end of world imo

I was talking to another high volume mtter who is deece (I'll let him come on and comment) who says he rarely, if ever, calls at this stage on an MTT.

i mean, calling def caps your range, but 3b/call is pretty strong line here, him opening into the stacks doesnt mean he has a tight range, one bowl stack from a nit (mori) who isnt just gonna flick it in, and only one rejam stack ronald kosh.
3bet folding kinda sucks. I hate peeling from the blinds at this stage in an MTT. For me this would be an easy 3b/c as we have tons of history and he views me as a lot laggier than i am. For you i guess you dont have too much history, meh i might peel it and be willing to call down super light and obv look to get in draws on flop or turn and c/f a ton on the flop.

I flat for the same reasons as lil Dave says.

Could never fold here and on occasion i put in a 3 bet but it would depend on my feel of the table.

Fold pre

Nice idea Geo


What kind of range would you 3b/fold in this spot as Geo?  Also, for this type of villain, if someone like Geo 3b out of the blinds in this spot, how much of his opening range (and I guess what parts of his opening range) would he peel?

Cos we're OOP against a good reg? Or is this your std line against randoms too?

6.3k/call pre for me but fold is ok.

I don't fold here at the stakes i play but i can see why you would to some extent. 3bet/call seems dirty too tho

i wouldnt have a value hand in my 3b/fold range, i don't think he's peeling a lot to our 3b at all. That said our 3b looks strong here so could see myself 3b/folding some Ax blockers and suited trash.

Again is this due to your image or the best line to show profit?

I think judging by responses this is one of the many leaks in my game I need to plus esp. onlline

I considered all 4 options of fold/call/3bcall/3bfold

I called.

Flop was  Qc 9d 8s

How do we proceed now?

Check/fold or check/rr all in if you have a feel you could get him off, a check call I think is poor, open betting leaves yourself open to a bluff rr so that isn't recommended. I find it hard to advise without actually playing the spot tbh.

I fold pre

this flop smacks your calling range so hard i might c/c one here with a view to c/j on any reasonable turn.

a good reg isnt going to cbet this board that much vs a sb peel this deep

^^ why i don't like peeling pre here tbh

Now in this spot I simply don't have that move in my locker. I always get put off by the fact he's comitted a lot of his stack by the time you c/r all in making fold equity tough. He may tilt call light, but as I said I wouldn't know as I don't do that play at all. I'm a little confused by what you think a reasonable turn is to jam, what's the worst turn card for you but still has you willing to c/r all in on the turn light?

I always peel pre btw, 1400 more is decent pot odds and implied odds if you get a disguised flush or straight. I am very wary of A high boards knowing if there is betting I am probably behind so might do a call on the flop to a bet and give up to a second bullet. J high board I am more comfortable with but careful of the overpair. Don't see how this deep you could consider folding.

I think its all about peeling and then reassessing and being very careful from the flop onwards. Too much value to fold imo.

def bramm vs a reg peel but is not gonna cbet all his air anyhow vs someone he may deem as a random

That was the plan.

He did c bet around half pot. I flatted looking to pile on any turn where I pick up equity.

However it bricked off with an off suit 3. I checked. He fired again.

I gave up and folded.

I have huge respect for bram and trigg's game but how 3b/getting 45 bigs in here as george and not you two is anythign but spew is beyond me.

surely you can peel pre and c/f this flop and you've barely been exploited at all?

i was saying that i would be happy to 3b/c vs gags30. People go ballis in online mtt's mate and we've been battling on the virtual felt for around 4 years, hes not looking down at any sort of blocker or value hand vs me and thinking fold.
Id imagine he's the same with bramm. He's just not going ballis enough of the time vs someone he has no history with to justify 3b/calling for G2L

fold>call>3 bet/call

although that order can def change with more history

Villain only has 30bbs.

George - hope you dont mind a mini derail

To those already commenting

How does 77 differ from AJs here?

Go for it mate. Cert not a derail

Good question. I often find myself just folding in these spots as i know all else i would do is 3b fold. Which probs means its a call. Looking forward to the responses.

As played, once you get to the flop what do people think of leading this flop? Considering how this flop kinda nails our flatting range and he probably checks back a decent amount but even still I don't think we get to win the pot that often by checking. Do you think its fine to have donk betting range here?

Right I'm ready to post up another hand if we're ready. Will let some final points from last hand be answered first if necessary

flat pre ainec was your advice for AQs George and I took it onboard.

Pot control and all that...

Pretty different when you're at 50/100 no ante with 10k stacks to this situation. Pretty different to your ave 40 quid live donkament opponent and a sick HSMTTer too

 Re the last hand.
I would play it pretty much as you did George. I think that villian wont be folding to a 3 bet very often and if he 4 bets you probably should fold as he's likely to be committed and your AJ wont be doing too well against his 4 bet range. If you 3 bet and he calls, you have to play an inflated pot oop against a good player with a hand that may well be dominated.
 I'm enjoying all of the comments, cheers for posting it.

in light of these points i retract my previous statement lol

guess it's a fold

Hmmm interesting, pre its pretty close between all 3 options.  I prob peel but as a rule hate playing out the SB.  Dont really like 3 betting unless you think he will fold/peel a high % of the time or 4 bet bluff a lot. 
In my experience tourney players love a 4 bet over just flatting and if you get 4 bet here its a gross spot IMO. 
So having called i think i just fold the flop - in a deep cash game im peeling here all the time as you have a lot of good turn cards (clubs/10s/As) but here i think you are too shallow. 
On the flop you are out of position, you have ace high where your opponent almost certainly has a better hand, you dont have the betting initiative, if you hit gin i.e a 10 its difficult to get paid and hes supposed to be a decent player - this all leads me to an easy fold on the flop.  There are much better spots and you arent under any pressure.

I think this sums up why we should fold. Irrespective of our holding, it smashes our peeling range, yet we are still struggling to play the hand post flop either for value or bluffing the board texture. We pretty much have to bluff, and even our bluffs rely on non brick turns, and we always have to be leading for bluffs to get the money in with fold equity. Id need to know my bluffs were getting thru a good % of the time to peel pre, and as people dont fold at higher stakes, that seems less likely

I would like to change my mind. I will  still go for calling pre flop, but then check folding on the flop. I can see the merits of folding pre flop, but i do think that the hand has good enough implied odds to be worth investing 1.5bb in it. It could hit big and if villian has clubs too George could get the lot on suitable flops.
 I dont know if i'm being very naive in my thinking, hopefully someone will tell me.
 I get a bit confused in these spots. I hear / read conflicting advice. On the one hand, people saying try to avoid peeling out of position, but on the other hand people saying that , maybe, people dont peel enough against serial pre flop raisers, particularly min raises.
 Does the fact that villian is raising from UTG+2 mean that this villiain's range isn't worth defending against with AJ suited?
 Would it still be a fold pre flop if George was playing from the big blind?
Just interested, having been in similar (ish) spots playing live at DTD, and getting into a mess with AJ, i would be very close to just folding pre. Maybe the fact that the hand has royal flush, Nut flush and nut straight possibilities is what would make it hard for me to (probably correctly) fold. GG :)

gags has 30bb and i said 3b/call "for me"

doubt george is seen as a complete random, i certainly see you bubble me around enough

pre is debatable, winning session prob just fold pre, although flatting might be slightly superior.. losing session just wevs 3b/call and get a stack. Fuck this guy innit.

Flop is just such a clear fold as played imo, anything else would be super super bad imo.

yh turns out my post wasn't very good lol.

I think peeling is pretty terrible tbh.  We almost never have AQ+/QQ+, we are out of position to a good reg who can control the size of the pot and who will stack us more than we can stack him.  We are check/folding most of the time and therefore folding the best hand a lot of the time.  I really prefer fold to peel.

If he almost never peels and if our 3b looks very strong from a random/probable reg with no history perspective to the point where he cant 4b light too often, can we not 3b/fold almost our full non-3b/call range?  This hand would be the absolute top of our 3bet/fold range and while it sucks to be 3b/folding AJs is it not the best non-fold pre line here?  It also serves to build history with a good reg villain in that he will at some point adjust and realize we are capable of 3b/folding in this spot leading to us being able to 3b/call this wide?

Pretty pleased at the comments re this hand. Think it goes to show what a tough spot it is even tho it's just to one raise.

Deffo agree it's a spot where I should be either 3 betting or folding. Maybe it's a rare spot where we can 3 bet without a plan and maybe decide if we get 4 bet.

nice post

There are some similarities to a hand Spraggs posted...  http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=54648.15

Not exactly the same obviously, as was on final table and ICM considerations but some of replies could be applied here, and are along lines of boba's post

"3bet pre cos I want to fold and this is prolly the best hand I would fold so I should bluff with it. Also blockers, prolly only get called by 1 dominating hand (aq)."  -  middy

not happy with sizing n stuff in this hand but even if i size it diff what do i do? what would u do here? Very early doors in a 30w1 on stars. both already got the rb. No history as i rarely play on stars

PokerStars Hand #76948153940: Tournament #526900137, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2012/03/10 13:02:47 WET [2012/03/10 8:02:47 ET]
Table '526900137 8' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: 3LCH1N (2274 in chips)
Seat 2: ZaXoMy (7330 in chips)
Seat 3: geil_schneck (2499 in chips)
Seat 4: bfizz11 (6000 in chips)
Seat 5: 4chrisdim (6000 in chips)
Seat 6: Akiem (2880 in chips)
Seat 7: quixote123 (3000 in chips)
Seat 8: simonjjj (6000 in chips)
Seat 9: THE__D__RY (6000 in chips)
geil_schneck: posts small blind 20
bfizz11: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to simonjjj [Ks Ah]
4chrisdim: folds
Akiem: folds
quixote123: folds
simonjjj: raises 40 to 80
THE__D__RY has timed out
THE__D__RY: folds
THE__D__RY is sitting out
3LCH1N: folds
THE__D__RY has returned
ZaXoMy: calls 80
geil_schneck: folds
bfizz11: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d As 6s]
simonjjj: bets 160
ZaXoMy: calls 160
*** TURN *** [8d As 6s] [4h]
simonjjj: bets 440
ZaXoMy: raises 440 to 880
simonjjj: folds
Uncalled bet (440) returned to ZaXoMy
ZaXoMy collected 1420 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1420 | Rake 0
Board [8d As 6s 4h]
Seat 1: 3LCH1N folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ZaXoMy (button) collected (1420)
Seat 3: geil_schneck (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: bfizz11 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: 4chrisdim folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Akiem folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: quixote123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: simonjjj folded on the Turn
Seat 9: THE__D__RY folded before Flop (didn't bet)

is that allowed George?  /:-|

;)

Just fold, he's not gonna open that wide from there and is probs playing a bunch of tables anyway.  If we call or 3 bet we are just gonna be put in a coffin

3x pre, call turn, fold river.

Wrong thread mate

Oh phew, I did honestly believe that's pleno's gone off on one again lol

hero is way wya ool vs villain over 200 hands or so. its the 215 6max

Seat 1: bearsfan775 (3221 in chips)
Seat 2: engelberth.v (2642 in chips)
Seat 3: danger0us (1507 in chips)
Seat 4: steve575mm (5128 in chips)
Seat 5: G's zee (3750 in chips)
Seat 6: hero (4742 in chips)
hero : posts small blind 40
bearsfan775: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero  [Jd Jc]
engelberth.v: folds
danger0us: folds
steve575mm: raises 160 to 240
G's zee: calls 240
hero : raises 480 to 720
bearsfan775: folds
steve575mm: folds
G's zee: calls 480
*** FLOP *** [6s 6c Kh]
hero : bets 580
G's zee: calls 580
*** TURN *** [6s 6c Kh] [Kd]
hero :

assuming it goes check check

 9c

Hero? 2450 effective

Guys- not being a spoilsport but can we ensure we've finished chatting about one hand before we post post another.

I mean if you have similar examples to the one I've posted then that's cool or questions related to it.

Otherwise it's just going to get muddled and we won't know what we're talking about!

Pleno's is fine tho as it's often a spot where I'm scratching my head. Pretty sure villian is a reg too?

Sorry George, is this just a thread for the hands you have been in mate? Didn't realise if so.

Mainly.

Don't mind other people posting hands as long as discussion is over. Problem will be if too many hands get posted at the same time. Won't quite work.

One from 22 cubed. What's your default line post flop here? ie: bet/call, bet/fold. Check back... Is my sizing too pre too small?

PokerStars Hand #77093754562: Tournament #564010531, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2000/4000) - 2012/03/12 23:26:20 WET [2012/03/12 19:26:20 ET]
Table '564010531 24' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: üä-qaypö.wsx (83215 in chips)
Seat 2: EvilSoviet (190577 in chips)
Seat 3: besar_cz (225366 in chips)
Seat 4: George2Loose (111551 in chips)
Seat 5: BarnyStinsen (57199 in chips)
Seat 6: Stama69 (110576 in chips)
Seat 7: Karolijanas (94602 in chips)
Seat 8: splasher22 (142344 in chips)
Seat 9: r1v3rm4n (223471 in chips)
üä-qaypö.wsx: posts the ante 400
EvilSoviet: posts the ante 400
besar_cz: posts the ante 400
George2Loose: posts the ante 400
BarnyStinsen: posts the ante 400
Stama69: posts the ante 400
Karolijanas: posts the ante 400
splasher22: posts the ante 400
r1v3rm4n: posts the ante 400
BarnyStinsen: posts small blind 2000
Stama69: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Qh Qs]
Karolijanas: folds
splasher22: raises 5120 to 9120
r1v3rm4n: calls 9120
üä-qaypö.wsx: folds
EvilSoviet: folds
besar_cz: folds
George2Loose: raises 13430 to 22550
BarnyStinsen: folds
Stama69: folds
splasher22: folds
r1v3rm4n: calls 13430
*** FLOP *** [Kh Tc 7d]
r1v3rm4n: checks
George2Loose:

Is there an argument for pushing pre here?  There is quite a lot in the middle and we are going to be facing an A/K hi flop a lot.

made a total mess of my last one (the one i just deleted) lol.
This time i will go for-
 Jam pre. Great spot to jam. You will certainly get called by worse hands.
 As played, i would bet the flop. If villian re-raises, it puts you in a seriouisly tough spot. Would villian do this with a semi bluff, such as AQ?  Would he do it with a flopped set? I think that villian would have 4 bet with just about everything that was beating you pre, and also AK too.
 My main concern would be that villian may have flopped a set of tens. He could have AQ, but obv your hand drastically reduces the likelyhood of this. same goes for KQs. So, IF, you have narrowed his likely range down to TT-QQ, AQ you are ahead against everything but a set of tens.
 Bet-call for me, but not loving it. Good one George. :)

3bet is fine/standard, not shoving pre with these stack sizes with anything I don't think.

I'd probably check back flop as he should have alot of mid pairs in his range that may call one bet on a later street but depends on villain and history as to how I would proceed (ie bet/call flop)

Assuming no reads (?) i would deffo check. We aren't getting 3 streets out of worse hands unimproved, there's no draws, so imo this is a fine sitch to pot control/underrep our shit without losing too much.

Do we check back this flop with all our 3bet range ?

To me, although i dont hate checking behind for pot control, i'm not keen on giving my opponent a free card to out-draw me with, regardless of what he may be holding.
Surely hero would be c-betting most hands here usually, including AK.
 If he doesn't believe us villian may well just flat with a pair or a draw, giving hero more value. If hero checks behind, he can only improve with another queen, and even then there is an outside chance that he's allowed villian to get there with a gutshot.
 With villian's stack size, there is a decent chance that he may turn a pair or gutshot into a bluff by re-rasing hero's c-bet. Obviously if villain has a king or two, or pocket tens, then it's gg George, but i think it's a risk worth taking. He who dares wins. :)

Hate checking back here, unless like someone mentioned you check back your whole (or large % of the time) with your 3bet range. You would cbet all bluffs/hands that didn't hit so do it with this as well. I don't think there are many bluffs he will just take off with on this flop, and although I'm pretty sure he's not a reg, checking back kind of turns your hand face-up and allows him to play his hand pretty perfectly.

check back. don't want to bet/fold or bet/call. don't think theres many worse hands he's peeling a cbet with but lots of worse hands (as well as better hands) he's check shoving. I don't think it matters that you've turned your hand face up as medium showdown, your in position with about 1.5x pot back v a random (i think?)

post mwoaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Against some villains I am very happy about  jamming here to disguise the strength of our hand and get all underpairs to call - we are always going bust to AA KK anyway, so we might as well try and get a few underpairs into their range to get it in as well

Ok I checked back. the ac hits the turn. Villian checks

Lolz!

I bet/fold but im terrible in these spots hence the jam pre

Ah fuck, can't see much sense in betting again

Do agree but don't think it applies in this spot. Basically imo we're facing an unknown in a $20 tournament. The majority of people are weak players and aren't suddenly going to turn 99 into a bluff on the turn because we checked. If you start considering being 'balanced' in spots where you never needed to worry about balance at all it just ends up costing value.

Admittedly a very small portion of his range will c/r this flop but we still don't really want to leave ourselves open to it without a read. Mostly we still have the vast majority of his hands crushed and we gain value when we underrep/keep his bluffs in. There's no way we were going to bet 3 streets for value anyway so checking flop and bet/bet seems way more optimal vs the worse hands in his range.

no need to be balanced vs a random in the 20c

so just check back flop, bet safe turns, eval river

on this specific turn check

think jamming pre loses way too much value with 28bb when people are going to peel 3 bets as wide as they are want to do

Now that you've given villian the free turn card it looks like you have to check behind again and give him another free card. It will be pretty comical if he gets there on the river.
 I'm liking my bet / call suggestion more and more as the hand progresses. Just hope he didn't flop anything. :)

Villain is a winner at micro/low stakes and flats an utg+1 open then flats a 3 oop, should be strong, check back flop, bet 18k on "safe turns". Checking back this turn, call in a Q on river and get it in v AK :)

check

I checked. Brick river. He bets 42k

pokerstove your hand vs (hands he calls pre and now bluffs with + hands he calls pre and now value bets).  really depends on what you know about the villain. In real time id probs fold.  youve 3bet pre and the board has a king and ace on, doubt hes gunna try bluff you much

how much does he have left?

Like 200k

TBH the main spot I wanted feedback on was the flop though it did turn into a bit of a river decision

136k otr?

Sorry I'm the effective stack with 90k left otr

probs just fold, you can assume a random isnt going to turn hands into bluffs here very much and as his sizing is pretty big, board has both and A and K on it, etc.

obv its very dependent on the tendencies of the villain and of course his ability to hand read since your hand is pretty faceup by the river 

Readless. Both villians just moved here. UTG been at table all game- pretty solid:

PokerStars Hand #77254645030: Tournament #564010854, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2012/03/16 0:05:29 WET [2012/03/15 20:05:29 ET]
Table '564010854 20' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: bat1996 (7272 in chips)
Seat 2: George2Loose (9858 in chips)
Seat 3: bigstealer (6557 in chips)
Seat 4: caiimeron (1110 in chips)
Seat 5: Flament9 (6085 in chips)
bat1996: posts small blind 50
George2Loose: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Jc Jh]
bigstealer: raises 101 to 201
caiimeron: raises 909 to 1110 and is all-in
Flament9: raises 909 to 2019
bat1996: folds
George2Loose

fold JJ

yeh get it in in 20s or less, fold here though.

+1

I would FOLD. You only have 1bb invested. You may be flipping with the 4-bettor, but are more likely to be crushed, plus you have a solid UTG raiser still to reply.

PokerStars Hand #77426247855: Tournament #564010647, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (1000/2000) - 2012/03/19 0:09:54 WET [2012/03/18 20:09:54 ET]
Table '564010647 249' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: George2Loose (63141 in chips)
Seat 3: sosickPL (32718 in chips)
Seat 4: A.G.A.81 (43971 in chips)
Seat 5: Flip_me_plz (16523 in chips)
Seat 6: Sewell59 (86078 in chips)
Seat 7: thoreau1 (91016 in chips)
Seat 8: angrygarddog (54414 in chips)
Seat 9: tupac_srj (76738 in chips)
George2Loose: posts the ante 350
sosickPL: posts the ante 350
A.G.A.81: posts the ante 350
Flip_me_plz: posts the ante 350
Sewell59: posts the ante 350
thoreau1: posts the ante 350
angrygarddog: posts the ante 350
tupac_srj: posts the ante 350
sosickPL: posts small blind 1000
A.G.A.81: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Jh Th]
Flip_me_plz: folds
Sewell59: folds
thoreau1: folds
angrygarddog: folds
tupac_srj: folds
George2Loose:

you must get to river at all costs with that hand. Very difficult to see 5cards and not have made a straight or a flush, both of which score highly on the hand ranking chart.

Lol this!

PokerStars Hand #77428944485: Tournament #2012003035, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2012/03/19 1:18:27 UTC [2012/03/18 21:18:27 ET]
Table '2012003035 820' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Rommeu (3005 in chips)
Seat 2: maverick1781 (4780 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: la_perlaa (4825 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: PQosta (4760 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: Jamie_Kay0 (6920 in chips)
Seat 6: George2Loose (5325 in chips)
maverick1781: posts small blind 15
la_perlaa: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jamie_Kay0 [Ks Ad]
PQosta: folds
Jamie_Kay0: raises 45 to 75
George2Loose: raises 90 to 165
Rommeu: folds
maverick1781: folds
la_perlaa: folds
Jamie_Kay0: raises 190 to 355
George2Loose: raises 465 to 820
Jamie_Kay0: raises 945 to 1765
George2Loose: raises 945 to 2710
Jamie_Kay0: raises 945 to 3655
George2Loose: raises 945 to 4600
 ;carlocitrone;?

Raise. I dont think you need to risk 22bb pre flop with jack high.

j10hh, r/f
jamie - 3x pre yo, its $2 innit.

Was just me, George and Rommeu who was Platinumstar or something. We were fucking around wid dem cold 4s so was just raising small

MARV

Mini/fold

why are we 8-betting the AKo pre-antes lol

gotta go with it now

lolmicroaments

For jokes innit

Because George can have 63ss in this spot

Now stars have the show one card post hand, ala live poker, i wouldn't fold AK to 80 CiBs here vs anyone who knew me!!!!

50/50. 62ss or kings

The 62 has a chance, the kings pretty much dead!

@ George

AJcc - fold pre. Flatting and playing OOP vs a good reg sucks way too hard. 3bet/calling has its merits imo specially with history, but fold > 3bet/call > peel > 3bet/fold

QQ - bet/fold flop, don't think hes gona be bluffing too often if he c/r this texture. Especially when most donks 'put people on AK' when they 3bet, cant remember whether you said he was a reg or not. Im gona assume hes not as he just flatted a 3bet OOP vs a 28bb stack, so b/f flop imo.

JJ - sigh, fold.

JThh - min/fold, own in position if get flatted obv. Or flop a royal.

Pre antes. No history. Ugly turn. Just give up?

PokerStars Hand #77847169426: Tournament #566010441, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2012/03/26 18:28:20 WET [2012/03/26 13:28:20 ET]
Table '566010441 30' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: pijo07 (2158 in chips)
Seat 2: CariocaAllin (6304 in chips)
Seat 4: VincentFirst (3612 in chips)
Seat 5: david owie (3280 in chips)
Seat 6: cocoojones (2135 in chips)
Seat 7: Jan-E1981 (3000 in chips)
Seat 8: George2Loose (3151 in chips)
Seat 9: Snotty Nguen (2755 in chips)
George2Loose: posts small blind 20
Snotty Nguen: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Js Jc]
pijo07: folds
CariocaAllin: folds
VincentFirst: raises 60 to 100
david owie: folds
cocoojones: folds
Jan-E1981: folds
George2Loose: calls 80
Snotty Nguen: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [3d 5c 2s]
George2Loose: checks
Snotty Nguen: bets 160
VincentFirst: folds
George2Loose: calls 160
*** TURN *** [3d 5c 2s] [6h]
George2Loose: checks
Snotty Nguen: bets 360
George2Loose:

George is it standard not to 3b here?

It's pretty standard to call pre ante Dan although I welcome thoughts on the call pre. Would you be 3 betting pre?

I'm calling the turn. He can easily have hands like 99 which will keep betting thinking you have less or Ax or A+pair  or pair and combo

Hopefully getting to ck ck on river

Turn doesnt seem so ugly.  We still beat a lot and he might just be barrelling.  Your hand is pretty under-repped too with the call pre (which I like).  Id call

3 bet pre. As played call turn re evaluate on river but prob check call most rivers

Well when I say ugly it's probs not a card I want to see. Think pair and straight draws make up a lot of his range when he leads flop so could now be losing to 2 pair hands

I think you have to call the turn here and make a decision on the river

I call the turn.

River is a T

He snap jams

Fold

Seems wp imo, if you fold river that is

Do you use HUD George  ?

No however I am thinking about getting one.

I have PT3 but it keeps crashing

I actually have no standard line in these spots so thought id just query it.
I like the call for under-repping your hand but then its a tough spot on turn and river especially when he may perceive you as weak.
I mean when we have JJ a 10 high board is normally what we look for, but now its an awful spot.
3 betting pre means we are inflating a pot oop which would of meant playing for stacks on the turn. Just calling allows a chance to get away.
I think 8/10 i pop a 3 bet in to get the crap out and take the lead in the hand.
Hard to put him on a straight here but i think id of called turn. No stats on the guy makes it all abit harder would he make this play with 99 putting you on Ax? Who knows certainly an interesting hand.
Look forward to results

gg backing

Rupert knows. He also knows I'm getting one

Ug! If he just bet I'd fold

But jamming makes me wanna call really really badly *activates timebank*

OK What do we do in these two spots?

PokerStars Hand #77901232673: Tournament #566010442, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2012/03/27 18:29:22 WET [2012/03/27 13:29:22 ET]
Table '566010442 36' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: George2Loose (2775 in chips)
Seat 2: IlFenomeno99 (2850 in chips)
Seat 3: XTheDecanoX (2940 in chips)
Seat 4: CuAt69UsdSng (2360 in chips)
Seat 5: 4fast2u (2945 in chips)
Seat 7: šefas01 (6525 in chips)
Seat 8: PetjeXL (2140 in chips)
Seat 9: Melijanovic (2625 in chips)
PetjeXL: posts small blind 20
Melijanovic: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Ac Js]
George2Loose: raises 60 to 100
IlFenomeno99: calls 100
XTheDecanoX: calls 100
CuAt69UsdSng: folds
4fast2u: calls 100
šefas01: folds
PetjeXL: folds
Melijanovic: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c Jd Ad]
George2Loose: bets 220
IlFenomeno99: folds
XTheDecanoX: folds
4fast2u: calls 220
*** TURN *** [7c Jd Ad] [Ks]
George2Loose: bets 721
4fast2u: raises 899 to 1620
George2Loose:


PokerStars Hand #77901265745: Tournament #537486246, $15.00+$1.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2012/03/27 18:29:56 WET [2012/03/27 13:29:56 ET]
Table '537486246 80' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Flowsurfer (3000 in chips)
Seat 2: mafia_gg (3000 in chips)
Seat 3: anzolsm (3000 in chips)
Seat 4: George2Loose (3000 in chips)
Seat 5: Shadowvoid (3000 in chips)
Seat 6: Nakkehai (3000 in chips)
Seat 7: z 0 0 t s (3000 in chips)
Seat 8: shinizzle93 (3000 in chips)
Seat 9: Herndogg (3000 in chips)
mafia_gg: posts small blind 10
anzolsm: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [8s As]
George2Loose: raises 30 to 50
Shadowvoid: folds
Nakkehai: calls 50
z 0 0 t s: folds
shinizzle93: folds
Herndogg: folds
Flowsurfer: folds
mafia_gg: calls 40
anzolsm: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ts Ac 4s]
mafia_gg: checks
George2Loose: bets 100
Nakkehai: raises 200 to 300
mafia_gg: folds
George2Loose: calls 200
*** TURN *** [Ts Ac 4s] [Ad]
George2Loose: checks
Nakkehai: bets 400
George2Loose: calls 400
*** RIVER *** [Ts Ac 4s Ad] [5s]
George2Loose: checks
Nakkehai: bets 2250 and is all-in


Thoughts on both hands. Hand 1 it obv looks like he's on a draw. I don't know if my sizing is too big or should bet betting smaller to snap a shove. I just wanted some value from my hand cos there's a ton of hands he flats again with. When he raises I wanna puke but again he's repping probably 2 hands?

Hand 2- this is the first hand of the tournament. Is it ever a bluff? Just a cooler.

U can probs guess I lost both hands. Honestly not 50p hands- just wanna check that I have to go broke/fold both hands. Interested in sizing thoughts for hand 1 also.

Think in hand 1 bet bigger on flop, just so bet sizes will flow a bit more naturally through streets. As played absolutely hating life, especially as he has just raised and not gone all in, but I think when you take into account the (small amount) of times he has KJ/Kxdd or whatever other random hands he has decided to overcall with pre you have to just go with it.

Hand 2 i defo fold pre, but as played, play the same and sigh call river. Obviously his river bet is never a bluff but i think in a $15fo he can be potentially just be going ballist with A9/AJ etc.

Nice bluff kid. Too late to fix that image

 ;) tight is right!

Hand 1: I definitely bet bigger on the flop and I get it in on the turn now against a random

Hand 2: Definitely fold pre. Postflop I play as played and I snap river. He can have Ax for value, he can have worse flushes

both hands are very clear pre flop folds, think opening either of them is bad.

As played puke get it in in hand 1 and snap river kissing shelley and high fiving ace in hand 2.

Probs agree with hand 1- esp in the big 109. AJ is a pretty clear fold

A8ss first level of a comp surely we can just open this and let it go to any resistance for fairly cheap?

fold both pre, call them both off as played

The A8s is the one that is definitely a clear fold for me. AJo I don't mind but I might fold at a tougher table early on but this early in the Big109 there are probably enough decent spots at the table that are calling too much playing terribly postflop that I'm happy getting into hands with them

They might both be folds but if either is fine to open then its the AJo

OK guys cheers.

Hand 1 villian had QTo

Hand 2 pocket tens

this imo ^ although i do fold AJ too.

Earliy in WU against reg. 3 questiions- wwyd on river? Being a reg he's unlikely to spacking about- we haven;t too much specific history.

Secondly do we/should we just fold flop?

Fold pre?

PokerStars Hand #78158654766: Tournament #566020016, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (20/40) - 2012/04/01 16:08:32 WET [2012/04/01 11:08:32 ET]
Table '566020016 6' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Firaldo87 (9820 in chips)
Seat 2: Dishboy_SWE (9110 in chips)
Seat 3: korobo4ka138 (10060 in chips)
Seat 4: rl1965 (10060 in chips)
Seat 5: dhilton12 (10870 in chips)
Seat 6: larseda (9940 in chips)
Seat 7: boxxxxer (10000 in chips)
Seat 8: House of Hor (9940 in chips)
Seat 9: George2Loose (20200 in chips)
Dishboy_SWE: posts small blind 20
korobo4ka138: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Ks Qh]
rl1965: folds
dhilton12: raises 60 to 100
larseda: calls 100
boxxxxer: folds
House of Hor: folds
George2Loose: calls 100
Firaldo87: folds
Dishboy_SWE: folds
korobo4ka138: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [Kd Jh 6d]
korobo4ka138: checks
dhilton12: checks
larseda: checks
George2Loose: bets 313
korobo4ka138: folds
dhilton12: raises 487 to 800
larseda: folds
George2Loose: calls 487
*** TURN *** [Kd Jh 6d] [Ts]
dhilton12: bets 808
George2Loose: calls 808
*** RIVER *** [Kd Jh 6d Ts] [7c]
dhilton12: bets 2890
George2Loose:

George!!!>!>!>!?!??!??!

Fold pre
*shocked.jpg* @ flop
fold turn
and be making a cup of tea by the river

(this is early on a Sunday vs a reg specific)

i'd prob fold pre without good reads on the table, as played vs dhilton I probably b/f the flop.

Cheers guys.

I know these spots are super standard (hence name of diary) but my biggest leak is pre antes. I've always played loads of hands pre ante- just how I naturally started playing (probs because I come from a live background) and having to make the most basic adjustments (like folding KQ in this spot)

I think on Sundays (or even in Sunday's), there is no need to put yourself in bad spots early, and calling the kq ESP vs a reg (by reg I'm assuming he is in a tonne), let alone expose behind to the other type of Sunday hero just makes it a fold for me

I always remember being astounded watching middy fold for hours in Sundays, and pick up chips in easy spots, id always assumed when I started railing later on that he had been at it and playing lots of pots.

Keep these coming George, I love this thread

yeh kq is a clear clear fold preflop because people dont get ool and we don't have any implied odds and generally will have the opposite, reverse implied odds, thus flopping top pair and either being outkicked or flopping top pair and opponents flopping a set. Generally we lose a big pot or win a small one.

I folded river so technically lost a medium pot :D

Seems so bad to be b/cing the flop against hilton.

Yeh I know. Just don't know what I expect really. Like he always has it and he's always barrelling turn. I just like the CAWL button too much.

flat pre is fine, dunno what everyone's getting excited about. b/f flop or check try and call it down, depending on runout+action obv

the villain is ridic tight supermassmulti tabler. we are just hoping for him to check and give up a large proportion.

also not rly sure why everyone is happy to donk flop vs a reg who is just gonna raise most of his range anyway as he will be opening rly tight

ok mat eis deep in million 100/200. No info on villiian. Assume random. Small winner on OPR. Best line here and why? Hero has 99

PokerStars Hand #78189841828: Tournament #566020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIV (6000/12000) - 2012/04/02 2:24:16 WET [2012/04/01 21:24:16 ET]
Table '566020010 463' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: 7Samec7 (465767 in chips)
Seat 2: Sydow (118422 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero (393297 in chips)
Seat 4: VudoMagic (318476 in chips)
Seat 5: CraZyNeX (427488 in chips)
Seat 6: czbeholder (105568 in chips)
Seat 7: fhgt-dimidkt (338794 in chips)
Seat 8: Mil1965 (361094 in chips)
Seat 9: ndbyxbr (302055 in chips)
7Samec7: posts the ante 1200
Sydow: posts the ante 1200
Hero: posts the ante 1200
VudoMagic: posts the ante 1200
CraZyNeX: posts the ante 1200
czbeholder: posts the ante 1200
fhgt-dimidkt: posts the ante 1200
Mil1965: posts the ante 1200
ndbyxbr: posts the ante 1200
Hero: posts small blind 6000
VudoMagic: posts big blind 12000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
CraZyNeX: raises 12000 to 24000
czbeholder: folds
fhgt-dimidkt: folds
Mil1965: folds
ndbyxbr: folds
7Samec7: folds
Sydow: folds
Hero:

I does a fold

ya fold too.

Fold seems good

really tricky spot can make a case for all 3 options, 3 betting prob my least preferred in the mill.  whats his avg buyin, if its low i might call if its med-high i'd probs just fold.  if its dean23price 3b/5b/c double fistpump

Got anymore George?

rofl, just seen this.

Had a similar conversation with alex when I 3b jammed A8 from sb vs your co open for 16 bigs in the 1r3x lol

this is more of an awkward stack sizes type questions

How are we proceeding

PokerStars Hand #81782599281: Tournament #576020018, $500+$30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2012/06/10 22:46:30 UTC [2012/06/10 18:46:30 ET]
Table '576020018 30' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: rattewilli (17167 in chips)
Seat 2: IDOLLS (9408 in chips)
Seat 3: Guanedez (6546 in chips)
Seat 4: Vinkyy (7357 in chips)
Seat 5: outragous76 (10182 in chips)
Seat 6: Assassinato (19150 in chips)
Seat 7: LanaPrincess (12833 in chips)
Seat 8: OBVAMENTS (34623 in chips)
Seat 9: isla_86 (7464 in chips)
rattewilli: posts the ante 40
IDOLLS: posts the ante 40
Guanedez: posts the ante 40
Vinkyy: posts the ante 40
outragous76: posts the ante 40
Assassinato: posts the ante 40
LanaPrincess: posts the ante 40
OBVAMENTS: posts the ante 40
isla_86: posts the ante 40
Assassinato: posts small blind 200
LanaPrincess: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to outragous76 [4d 4h]
OBVAMENTS: folds
isla_86: folds
rattewilli: folds
IDOLLS: folds
Guanedez: folds
Vinkyy: folds
outragous76: raises 465 to 865
Assassinato: folds
LanaPrincess: calls 465
*** FLOP *** [Jh 5h Tc]
LanaPrincess: checks

Usually just check back and hope for a 4 on the turn personally

These are both readless as new tables:

PokerStars Hand #81764063016: Tournament #569320800, $40+$10+$4 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (100/200) - 2012/06/10 17:33:21 WET [2012/06/10 12:33:21 ET]
Table '569320800 16' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: kgpobednik (4546 in chips)
Seat 2: George2Loose (10633 in chips)
Seat 3: shinbunshi (4933 in chips)
Seat 4: TONI-BG (11965 in chips)
Seat 5: nkeyno (8188 in chips)
Seat 6: gopu (1880 in chips)
Seat 7: gorogheee (4790 in chips)
Seat 8: Nardist007 (8975 in chips)
Seat 9: =AnVit= (15867 in chips)
kgpobednik: posts the ante 25
George2Loose: posts the ante 25
shinbunshi: posts the ante 25
TONI-BG: posts the ante 25
nkeyno: posts the ante 25
gopu: posts the ante 25
gorogheee: posts the ante 25
Nardist007: posts the ante 25
=AnVit=: posts the ante 25
gorogheee: posts small blind 100
Nardist007: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Th Ts]
=AnVit=: raises 800 to 1000
kgpobednik: folds
George2Loose

PokerStars Hand #81773419093: Tournament #576010447, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2012/06/10 20:46:00 WET [2012/06/10 15:46:00 ET]
Table '576010447 154' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: 2fingerz 2u (5743 in chips)
Seat 2: GeoManousos (15932 in chips)
Seat 3: Kapluproshu (14316 in chips)
Seat 4: George2Loose (23632 in chips)
Seat 5: never4getbet (11116 in chips)
Seat 6: TheTurk80 (3803 in chips)
Seat 7: Mammola (19694 in chips)
Seat 9: cl0wnn (13264 in chips)
2fingerz 2u: posts the ante 50
GeoManousos: posts the ante 50
Kapluproshu: posts the ante 50
George2Loose: posts the ante 50
never4getbet: posts the ante 50
TheTurk80: posts the ante 50
Mammola: posts the ante 50
cl0wnn: posts the ante 50
cl0wnn: posts small blind 200
2fingerz 2u: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Jd Js]
GeoManousos: raises 424 to 824
Kapluproshu: calls 824
George2Loose: calls 824
never4getbet: folds
TheTurk80: folds
Mammola: folds
cl0wnn: folds
2fingerz 2u: raises 4869 to 5693 and is all-in
GeoManousos: raises 10189 to 15882 and is all-in
Kapluproshu: folds
George2Loose:

i find it facinating thou

if he is peeling a relatively high % of the time (at higher stakes), there is literally no flop we like, therefore is our hand not 72? and if it is 72, would be opening the button?

(as it happened i c bet and took it down but i hated it on that texture)

TT - id treat is 5x like a 4x and therefore assign 77-JJ and AT AJ AQ

therefore id peel and reasses on that basis (whilst being a little sick in my mouth)

JJ - snap fold for me (whilst shaking my head)

The TT is a fold and I don't think it's close tbh, although I'm not enjoying it.

The JJ is really close, I think I would call.

Guy, the 44 is not the same as 72 as not all flops are JT5 tt. I agree it's not near the top of your opening range tho.

I had a guy tonight who literally peeled everyone of my opens (2 to my left - russian obv)

would you adjust (ie consider not opening when say 22bbs) specifically vs this type of villain? or should we still be opening? really hate these spots

Agree with all this but I think I am happier to get JJ in than you are. They can be sharing outs a decent amount though we are crushed sometimes... The only thing that's putting me off is positions. I mean do you have any reads on the squeezer?


depends how he plays post vs you

We should be super happy getting JJ in here, so much of an overlay when this guy ships 13 bigs that the guy literally has to isolate with 66+ and A10+ even KQ IMO.  Our hand is really underrepped here and on a sunday the standard is generally so low that we can expect him to turn up with super weak iso hands.

Interesting to hear KEYS say 1010 is a fold, would you say it would be a big leak to peel here?  I hate this kind of bet sizing with no info because it can range so wide depending on players.

(Don't have hand history as this was about a month ago in 109 comp)

9handed at 125-250 a25, Hero in SB with 4900, folds to HJ who limps, CO raises to 1500 playing 17000, button folds, Hero has AQos with no info.  Would this be a similar spot to the above 1010 or is our decision a lot simpler because we only have 20bb compared to 50+?  And would you fold 1010 if you were playing 10-20bb?

I would say his range is probably a fair bit weaker here due to being in CO as opposed to UTG

Sigghhh fold the TT hand but its just a ridic situation that's it's better not to get involved in here when you're guessing so much.

OPR/sharkscope is your friend on hand 2. If he's decent i wouldn't fold, but i'd fold to a losing player for sure.

this, also snap folding the TT and don't think its close. Don't see any way you can play it profitably

I folded both.

The jacks were obv frustrating. Squeezer had AK. UTG AQ

I think the 10 10 needs more discussion. We are 50 bigs deep here. Can we not flat in position here or are we inviting a squeeze too often? 3 bet out of the question? Agree it's close but feel we perhaps dismissed it too quickly.

JJ hand is v close too but think I fold more than call

I don't think it's close personally. You just never know where you are in the hand, and yeah pre is also a problem with a ton of people to act behind. It's just not gonna be very efficient to call pre and raising is also pretty spewy so it just becomes a sigh fold by default.

Surely this is why we should call here?  What do you think the iso's perceived range is in this spot?  We should be in very good shape here?

I agree with the 1010 now, post flop will be just awful, even though we're in position the pot will be so bloated and we will be so uncomfortable with most cbets because of their size etc plus there is going to be terrible boards for our hand!

I used to just snap flick in it here but with age I have turned into a nit. Don't tell anyone though

Yeh, put them on AK/AQ ;)

WP Alex!!  What do u do here btw? (other than make another FT?)....

I'd call the Jacks JUST, I'd probably peel the TT too with 50bigs IP, no-one behind is gonna ever put it in without us crushed following a 5x utg and a utg+1 peel so we can see a flop IP heads up and go from there. Proceed with immense caution of course, folding to cbets on Q, K A high boards, and probably calling one and folding turn on all raggy flops.

I'd probably flop top set though.

Or make a flush....

You just don't ever win without cooperation from the villain or hitting a set. Say you want to peel pre, if you're lucky enough to see a flop with no overcards you'll still be bluffcatching if opponent bets the flop, turn and river, and I don't think villain will be bluffing often enough with this sizing from this position for you to get another 45bbs in postflop, and even when he is bluffing he usually still has 2 overcards, so I'm folding to a cbet on a low board. 3betting is turning your hand into a bluff since it's nowhere near strong enough to get in 50bbs utg+1 vs utg, and I don't think he's folding often enough to make a bluff profitable.

What I'm saying is it could be all sorts, but our hand plays so badly postflop and we will be so on the defensive that we aren't ever going to win the pot no matter how often we are ahead. Villain would have to be a complete and utter lunatic for you to be confident enough to call 2 or 3 streets on so many 0, 1 and 2 overcard boards when he's raised utg, whatever size he made it initially. The only thing if he'd made it smaller would be you would probably have good odds to set-mine and might be able to pot control to a cheap showdown which we won't be able to do here without cooperation from villain.

Why would we be aiming to make such a big move when both players have large stacks?

PokerStars Hand #82486664320: Tournament #579010392, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2012/06/26 17:28:55 WET [2012/06/26 12:28:55 ET]
Table '579010392 101' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Pazel__8888 (1995 in chips)
Seat 2: OBVAMENTS (2940 in chips)
Seat 3: Pitbullaz (2900 in chips)
Seat 4: George2Loose (2835 in chips)
Seat 5: lille_sol2 (2470 in chips)
Seat 6: Shak88888 (2185 in chips)
Seat 7: Destruksnes (3379 in chips)
Seat 8: hungerdeniz (8120 in chips)
Seat 9: Dekkie1990 (3166 in chips)
Shak88888: posts small blind 20
Destruksnes: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Qh Qs]
hungerdeniz: folds
Dekkie1990: folds
Pazel__8888: folds
OBVAMENTS: raises 60 to 100
Pitbullaz: folds
George2Loose: calls 100
lille_sol2: folds
Shak88888: folds
Destruksnes: folds
*** FLOP *** [2c 7c 7s]
OBVAMENTS: bets 195
George2Loose: calls 195
*** TURN *** [2c 7c 7s] [Ad]
OBVAMENTS: bets 487
George2Loose

call now and hope for ck ck on river

Do you use a HUD? QQ gotta be a 3b pre in a 20 dorra. As played just fold turn.

OBVaments a reg- yes use a HUD

fold turn

yup agree, fine with whole hand if we fold now :)

Hi George, just caught up with the thread again. the JJ hand I would fold, main reason would be better spots, and you have a nice stack, so don't need to get involved in a 2 way all in, which is usually always a flip at best. I like the flat pre tho.

The last hand - QQ in 20f I would fold turn. I like peeling early with these hands a lot in first few levels, and playing flops, this early don't think he is double barreling without an ace and way it is played just no point getting value towned when u have just flatted pre. I think small pot poker is a way to go, and have been trying it out, and in turn been getting better results/deeper in tourneys.

Also can under rep your hands so much vs huge whales etc.

You still playing the euro's or is this just for stars?

Hey Dreenie- I mainly play on stars, ongame and party with ipoker and 888 majors. I'm going to add .fr when I return from Vegas.

I did fold the turn- just wanted to check I wasn't being too nitty.

this deep def peel pre vs him and anyone reggish really.

Case can be made for a turn call but he knows your range contains AQ etc which ain't folding. He's decently weighted to value at this point, doubt he's getting too OOL.

I would like to say fold turn in theory but I frequently take outrageous's line.

Can I ask, is there a definition of "regish" I wonder this as I am playing a lot more, and can imagine as my stats rack up, my game will need adjusted as I will not be called as often due to perceptions etc etc etc

PokerStars Hand #84020256666: Tournament #591011257, $150+$12 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2012/07/29 21:06:01 WET [2012/07/29 16:06:01 ET]
Table '591011257 58' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: RandALLin (2980 in chips)
Seat 2: youaremelon (2960 in chips)
Seat 3: pmahoney22 (3030 in chips)
Seat 4: Four-7-Kevin (3710 in chips)
Seat 5: George2Loose (2350 in chips)
Seat 6: m4gm4n (3060 in chips)
Seat 7: TRiggA_miK3 (2970 in chips)
Seat 8: Senterpied (2970 in chips)
Seat 9: g.karolis (2970 in chips)
RandALLin: posts small blind 10
youaremelon: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Kh Kd]
pmahoney22: folds
Four-7-Kevin: folds
George2Loose: raises 40 to 60
m4gm4n: folds
TRiggA_miK3: folds
Senterpied: folds
g.karolis: folds
RandALLin: raises 140 to 200
youaremelon: folds
George2Loose: calls 140
*** FLOP *** [Qd 7d 2c]
RandALLin: bets 240
George2Loose: calls 240
*** TURN *** [Qd 7d 2c] [7s]
RandALLin: bets 520
George2Loose

call

call and fold all rivers if he barrells i guess? I recognise the name, hes a good reg right? This spot sucks.

Good reg 3betting range here? I haven't played online mtt's in a while though so things might have changed, but this really seems like a fold to me. He can't have AKdd.

Yeh looks like a fold,. No point trying to get aa to fold and were crushed ca his 3betting range.

true, didn't notice this.

I would call. He could have A Q or a diamond draw. As the pre flop aggressor he may see you as week and trying to push you off a hand.

call turn call non q a river

Reallly felt like aces when he 3 bets from sb so early. If not aces then queens got there.

Peeled turn. C/c on Q river. He had aces

Sometimes when I feel like someone has a hand I just go with that feeling. You're at the table, you know whether it's midway through a Sunday session and they are likely to have it, you might be able to get a sub-conscious feeling just from their timing/sizing.

Standard line though would be to call turn and fold river though?

what are the pro's for calling the turn?

any argument for 4betting pre?

Pre antes. Guy is Russian playing 56/19 but only have 28 hands on him. Comp is 10k KO (10 min levels)

PokerStars Hand #84849726232: Tournament #598692084, $40+$10+$4 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (20/40) - 2012/08/17 16:11:53 WET [2012/08/17 11:11:53 ET]
Table '598692084 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: SenseiSingh (3330 in chips)
Seat 2: George2Loose (2820 in chips)
Seat 3: ALEX@74DED (2815 in chips)
Seat 5: bally29 (3365 in chips)
Seat 6: mddgfc (3265 in chips)
Seat 7: Aggelosk7 (2510 in chips)
Seat 8: matt2120 (2865 in chips)
Seat 9: Yattago (3030 in chips)
Aggelosk7: posts small blind 20
matt2120: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Kc Ad]
Yattago: folds
SenseiSingh: folds
George2Loose: raises 80 to 120
ALEX@74DED: raises 680 to 800
bally29: folds
mddgfc: folds
Aggelosk7: folds
matt2120: folds
George2Loose:

I fold, and im pretty happy about it. Way better spots imo. Would you have posted this if u had 2810 chips out of interest? (I assume it makes a difference to your thinking)

What about if his 3 bet sizing is standard? Are we peeling or still folding?

Folding vs regs for sure, mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy peel if this guy makes it like 300, I'm fine with folding though.

My standard is to fold though.

I would assume that villian is not planning on folding.
If villian's prevoius raises have not been of a similar size i see no reason to put any more chips in.
It's a FOLD for me.

Villian 10/10 over 40 hands. Bubble just burst:

Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2012/08/17 18:29:25 WET [2012/08/17 13:29:25 ET]
Table '598693274 14' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: George2Loose (23185 in chips)
Seat 3: grapedrink07 (23738 in chips)
Seat 4: Rovers1885 (23569 in chips)
Seat 5: TheInnuendo (36565 in chips)
Seat 6: TolikRU52 (20775 in chips)
Seat 7: licmylolipop (11595 in chips)
Seat 8: F3nix35 (12141 in chips)
Seat 9: jointy333 (20536 in chips)
George2Loose: posts the ante 75
grapedrink07: posts the ante 75
Rovers1885: posts the ante 75
TheInnuendo: posts the ante 75
TolikRU52: posts the ante 75
licmylolipop: posts the ante 75
F3nix35: posts the ante 75
jointy333: posts the ante 75
Rovers1885: posts small blind 400
TheInnuendo: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [Ah Qs]
TolikRU52: raises 800 to 1600
licmylolipop: folds
F3nix35: folds
jointy333: folds
George2Loose:

Getting in AK in the ko and hoping to 4 flush his AK.

Peeling the AQ

Considered every option and I hate them all. Fold.

:s

AQ is a fold, i can see merit in 3375/fold also

Misread stats. Yeah fold is fine

You nits. 3b. People do open light specifically from utg and stack sizes are really good for it here, we have the blockers and plays well enough postflop if he gets his hood on. Stacks behind are all awkward and if villain comes over the top we fold, expect it gets through enough to be profitable for sure though.

I 3 bet to 3450 and he made it 7.8k lol

Screams a bluff, jam. ;D