Basic MTT spots- A PHA diary

[George2Loose]

this is more of an awkward stack sizes type questions

How are we proceeding

PokerStars Hand #81782599281: Tournament #576020018, $500+$30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2012/06/10 22:46:30 UTC [2012/06/10 18:46:30 ET]
Table '576020018 30' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: rattewilli (17167 in chips)
Seat 2: IDOLLS (9408 in chips)
Seat 3: Guanedez (6546 in chips)
Seat 4: Vinkyy (7357 in chips)
Seat 5: outragous76 (10182 in chips)
Seat 6: Assassinato (19150 in chips)
Seat 7: LanaPrincess (12833 in chips)
Seat 8: OBVAMENTS (34623 in chips)
Seat 9: isla_86 (7464 in chips)
rattewilli: posts the ante 40
IDOLLS: posts the ante 40
Guanedez: posts the ante 40
Vinkyy: posts the ante 40
outragous76: posts the ante 40
Assassinato: posts the ante 40
LanaPrincess: posts the ante 40
OBVAMENTS: posts the ante 40
isla_86: posts the ante 40
Assassinato: posts small blind 200
LanaPrincess: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to outragous76 [ ]
OBVAMENTS: folds
isla_86: folds
rattewilli: folds
IDOLLS: folds
Guanedez: folds
Vinkyy: folds
outragous76: raises 465 to 865
Assassinato: folds
LanaPrincess: calls 465
*** FLOP *** [ ]
LanaPrincess: checks

Usually just check back and hope for a 4 on the turn personally

[George2Loose]

These are both readless as new tables:

PokerStars Hand #81764063016: Tournament #569320800, $40+$10+$4 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (100/200) - 2012/06/10 17:33:21 WET [2012/06/10 12:33:21 ET]
Table '569320800 16' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: kgpobednik (4546 in chips)
Seat 2: George2Loose (10633 in chips)
Seat 3: shinbunshi (4933 in chips)
Seat 4: TONI-BG (11965 in chips)
Seat 5: nkeyno (8188 in chips)
Seat 6: gopu (1880 in chips)
Seat 7: gorogheee (4790 in chips)
Seat 8: Nardist007 (8975 in chips)
Seat 9: =AnVit= (15867 in chips)
kgpobednik: posts the ante 25
George2Loose: posts the ante 25
shinbunshi: posts the ante 25
TONI-BG: posts the ante 25
nkeyno: posts the ante 25
gopu: posts the ante 25
gorogheee: posts the ante 25
Nardist007: posts the ante 25
=AnVit=: posts the ante 25
gorogheee: posts small blind 100
Nardist007: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [ ]
=AnVit=: raises 800 to 1000
kgpobednik: folds
George2Loose

PokerStars Hand #81773419093: Tournament #576010447, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2012/06/10 20:46:00 WET [2012/06/10 15:46:00 ET]
Table '576010447 154' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: 2fingerz 2u (5743 in chips)
Seat 2: GeoManousos (15932 in chips)
Seat 3: Kapluproshu (14316 in chips)
Seat 4: George2Loose (23632 in chips)
Seat 5: never4getbet (11116 in chips)
Seat 6: TheTurk80 (3803 in chips)
Seat 7: Mammola (19694 in chips)
Seat 9: cl0wnn (13264 in chips)
2fingerz 2u: posts the ante 50
GeoManousos: posts the ante 50
Kapluproshu: posts the ante 50
George2Loose: posts the ante 50
never4getbet: posts the ante 50
TheTurk80: posts the ante 50
Mammola: posts the ante 50
cl0wnn: posts the ante 50
cl0wnn: posts small blind 200
2fingerz 2u: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [ ]
GeoManousos: raises 424 to 824
Kapluproshu: calls 824
George2Loose: calls 824
never4getbet: folds
TheTurk80: folds
Mammola: folds
cl0wnn: folds
2fingerz 2u: raises 4869 to 5693 and is all-in
GeoManousos: raises 10189 to 15882 and is all-in
Kapluproshu: folds
George2Loose:

[outragous76]

this is more of an awkward stack sizes type questions

How are we proceeding

PokerStars Hand #81782599281: Tournament #576020018, $500+$30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2012/06/10 22:46:30 UTC [2012/06/10 18:46:30 ET]
Table '576020018 30' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: rattewilli (17167 in chips)
Seat 2: IDOLLS (9408 in chips)
Seat 3: Guanedez (6546 in chips)
Seat 4: Vinkyy (7357 in chips)
Seat 5: outragous76 (10182 in chips)
Seat 6: Assassinato (19150 in chips)
Seat 7: LanaPrincess (12833 in chips)
Seat 8: OBVAMENTS (34623 in chips)
Seat 9: isla_86 (7464 in chips)
rattewilli: posts the ante 40
IDOLLS: posts the ante 40
Guanedez: posts the ante 40
Vinkyy: posts the ante 40
outragous76: posts the ante 40
Assassinato: posts the ante 40
LanaPrincess: posts the ante 40
OBVAMENTS: posts the ante 40
isla_86: posts the ante 40
Assassinato: posts small blind 200
LanaPrincess: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to outragous76 [ ]
OBVAMENTS: folds
isla_86: folds
rattewilli: folds
IDOLLS: folds
Guanedez: folds
Vinkyy: folds
outragous76: raises 465 to 865
Assassinato: folds
LanaPrincess: calls 465
*** FLOP *** [ ]
LanaPrincess: checks

Usually just check back and hope for a 4 on the turn personally

i find it facinating thou

if he is peeling a relatively high % of the time (at higher stakes), there is literally no flop we like, therefore is our hand not 72? and if it is 72, would be opening the button?

(as it happened i c bet and took it down but i hated it on that texture)

[outragous76]

TT - id treat is 5x like a 4x and therefore assign 77-JJ and AT AJ AQ

therefore id peel and reasses on that basis (whilst being a little sick in my mouth)

JJ - snap fold for me (whilst shaking my head)

[skolsuper]

The TT is a fold and I don't think it's close tbh, although I'm not enjoying it.

The JJ is really close, I think I would call.

Guy, the 44 is not the same as 72 as not all flops are JT5 tt. I agree it's not near the top of your opening range tho.

[outragous76]

Guy, the 44 is not the same as 72 as not all flops are JT5 tt. I agree it's not near the top of your opening range tho.

I had a guy tonight who literally peeled everyone of my opens (2 to my left - russian obv)

would you adjust (ie consider not opening when say 22bbs) specifically vs this type of villain? or should we still be opening? really hate these spots

[dakky]

The TT is a fold and I don't think it's close tbh, although I'm not enjoying it.

The JJ is really close, I think I would call.

Agree with all this but I think I am happier to get JJ in than you are. They can be sharing outs a decent amount though we are crushed sometimes... The only thing that's putting me off is positions. I mean do you have any reads on the squeezer?

I had a guy tonight who literally peeled everyone of my opens (2 to my left - russian obv)

would you adjust (ie consider not opening when say 22bbs) specifically vs this type of villain? or should we still be opening? really hate these spots

depends how he plays post vs you

[PutYouOnAK/AQ]

We should be super happy getting JJ in here, so much of an overlay when this guy ships 13 bigs that the guy literally has to isolate with 66+ and A10+ even KQ IMO.  Our hand is really underrepped here and on a sunday the standard is generally so low that we can expect him to turn up with super weak iso hands.

Interesting to hear KEYS say 1010 is a fold, would you say it would be a big leak to peel here?  I hate this kind of bet sizing with no info because it can range so wide depending on players.

(Don't have hand history as this was about a month ago in 109 comp)

9handed at 125-250 a25, Hero in SB with 4900, folds to HJ who limps, CO raises to 1500 playing 17000, button folds, Hero has AQos with no info.  Would this be a similar spot to the above 1010 or is our decision a lot simpler because we only have 20bb compared to 50+?  And would you fold 1010 if you were playing 10-20bb?

[dakky]

9handed at 125-250 a25, Hero in SB with 4900, folds to HJ who limps, CO raises to 1500 playing 17000, button folds, Hero has AQos with no info.  Would this be a similar spot to the above 1010 or is our decision a lot simpler because we only have 20bb compared to 50+?  And would you fold 1010 if you were playing 10-20bb?

I would say his range is probably a fair bit weaker here due to being in CO as opposed to UTG

[muckthenuts]

Sigghhh fold the TT hand but its just a ridic situation that's it's better not to get involved in here when you're guessing so much.

OPR/sharkscope is your friend on hand 2. If he's decent i wouldn't fold, but i'd fold to a losing player for sure.

[TL900]

OPR/sharkscope is your friend on hand 2. If he's decent i wouldn't fold, but i'd fold to a losing player for sure.

this, also snap folding the TT and don't think its close. Don't see any way you can play it profitably

[George2Loose]

I folded both.

The jacks were obv frustrating. Squeezer had AK. UTG AQ

[Junior Senior]

The TT is a fold and I don't think it's close tbh, although I'm not enjoying it.

The JJ is really close, I think I would call.

Guy, the 44 is not the same as 72 as not all flops are JT5 tt. I agree it's not near the top of your opening range tho.

I think the 10 10 needs more discussion. We are 50 bigs deep here. Can we not flat in position here or are we inviting a squeeze too often? 3 bet out of the question? Agree it's close but feel we perhaps dismissed it too quickly.

JJ hand is v close too but think I fold more than call

[muckthenuts]

The TT is a fold and I don't think it's close tbh, although I'm not enjoying it.

The JJ is really close, I think I would call.

Guy, the 44 is not the same as 72 as not all flops are JT5 tt. I agree it's not near the top of your opening range tho.

I think the 10 10 needs more discussion. We are 50 bigs deep here. Can we not flat in position here or are we inviting a squeeze too often? 3 bet out of the question? Agree it's close but feel we perhaps dismissed it too quickly.

I don't think it's close personally. You just never know where you are in the hand, and yeah pre is also a problem with a ton of people to act behind. It's just not gonna be very efficient to call pre and raising is also pretty spewy so it just becomes a sigh fold by default.

[PutYouOnAK/AQ]

I folded both.

The jacks were obv frustrating. Squeezer had AK. UTG AQ

Surely this is why we should call here?  What do you think the iso's perceived range is in this spot?  We should be in very good shape here?

I agree with the 1010 now, post flop will be just awful, even though we're in position the pot will be so bloated and we will be so uncomfortable with most cbets because of their size etc plus there is going to be terrible boards for our hand!