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getting a chippy for my dinner tonight what should i get
looking for something edible and tasty but not extremmely unhealthy

Fish & Chips

Chicken kebab.

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Deep fried pizza followed by a battered mars bar for desert.

Large Fish, Chips, Battered sausage, curry sauce, bap and a bottle of ribena was is my standard order.

Chicken kebab with mild chili and garlic mayo sauces!!

dont think my local chippy does kebabs and i aint going into town

and girglies i said not extremmely unhealthy

so far since my folks disapeared on friday i have had

friday maccy d's
saturday battered sausage
sunday pizza
monday white pudding
tuesday pub sirlion steak

thin

not as thin as i used to be

Prob deep pan tbh mate

not sure even with the garlic bread there wasnt enough of it so much for fat willys pizza

Sausage in batter as a side, fish and chips.

Chicken & chips

Pudding chips And gravy great northern tea . Enjoy whatever you choose

i cant stand fish without beetroot and as i eat in the car its not really feasible the jar would be smashed before i got it intot he car
cant take the chippy into the house as placing a hot package on my lap while i am pushing on my wheels would lead to problems
with my skins

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I love chippy chicken

Geo

Do they do potato scallops in your local or in Scotland or England generally?

never heard of tattie scallops


but chicken is sounding kinda cool

Not heard that one before!

My old dear used to make potato scallops for us when we were kids, normally from leftover boiled potatoes and they were pretty decent tbf

left over boiled tatties should be fried for next days dinner

Pukka pie, chips and curry sauce with batter bits!

great food memories

This was all my grandad would cook! He used to call them "specials" - could be the best food ever (when you are 5 and your grandad cooks em)

Black pudding supper.

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(or a Deep fried tandoori battered Crunchie....much better than it sounds)

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nah dont like the way they spice it

going to phone through my order now to be deleivered to my car think i will go for a pie


thanks for the help and suggestions

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That was scrumptious but the 2 tins of diet coke have left me bloated and I can move back out my car

chips cheese and curry

if ur feeling poor

Diet coke quite fattening too, I was surprised to discover

Wtf are you lot on about? Why would you get anything other than once with scraps?

Get scallops and scraps in scunny. The fish is pretty tez which is suprising seeing as Grimsby is less than half hour away.

?? please explain thought it was like 3 kcal or summat Ive had 3 cans today

OMG, We used to get the best puddings in Blackburn, thin light suet stuffed with meat that used to ooze out over
your chips when you stuck your (wooden) fork in it.
There bloody awful down here, that is if you can find one. Inch thick solid dough with nowt but a brown stain in.
In fact all chippy's from about Derby down are crap, no fish patties, no scallops, no gravy, no scraps, no battered crabstix,  :D
And there expensive! £1.60 for a carton of peas ffs! You can get a mini fish and chips for that in Rotherham!!!

It's very low in calories, and normally the number of calories is one of the major things to look for in food I guess. However, it's not the only factor. There are two things about Diet Coke that make it bad:

1) It's 'diet', ie it contains artificial sweeteners. These make the drink taste sweet on your tongue and the brain prepares you for a sugar hit, which it doesn't receive, 'confusing' the brain in a certain way. This has been suggested as one of the main mechanisms by which diet drinks make you gain weight. People who take diet sodas are much more likely to gain weight and have large bellies compared with those who don't, over longitudinal studies (they don't just slice up a portion of the population and leave themselves open to other correlations). It's really well documented, they find it again and again.
http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/jul/18/fattening-diet-soda-study-links-low-cal-pop-to-lar/
http://www.yaleruddcenter.org/resources/upload/docs/what/industry/ArtificiallySweetenedBeverages_Ludwig_JAMA_12.09.pdf

2) Like many fizzy drinks, it causes net acidity in the body, which the body has to instantly work to correct. The efforts the body makes to do this correction causes a leeching of certain minerals, one of which is iodine. Iodine is crucial in maintaining normal levels of metabolic rate via the thyroid gland.


So you can eat a moderate-calorie diet, do plenty of exercise, and still get fat if you're eating the wrong type of 'net acidity' foods, because they deplete the iodine you required to maintain a proper metabolism.

Lemons are acidic (obv) but they cause a net acidity decrease after you eat them.

Food acidity forming guide:

http://www.rense.com/1.mpicons/acidalka.htm

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Sorry to post this on such a nice nutro-degen thread. If god didn't want us to eat deep-fried battered pizzas he wouldn't have made them taste so good.

Pretty much everything in the green columns suck tho...

Back to spam fritters for me ;)

With red sauce.. obv

xx

Thanks for that manuelsmum I just thought it fine cos of the calories ........ Balls

Are scallops the same as scones?

Breast milk mmmmmmm wonder where I can get my hands on some of that?

Scallops from the chip shop are just a slice from a huge cooked potato, battered and deep fried.
Granny style scallops are potatoes cut like thick crisps and shallow fried.
Well that how they are in our place anyway.

So, does that mean you should stick to the foods in the right hand side to lose weight, or can
you be too alkaline?
And how do you know all this stuff???!! :)
BTW Can someone tell me how to quote without including reams of stuff that went before please?

ManualsMum, while I have so far appreciated your posts greatly, the acid/alkali thing seems like pure BS to me. That linked page reads like "nutritionist" bullshit. There appears to be no scientific/clinical data for that stuff, and it just looks like an excuse to promote vegetarianism and some fad diet. Given there is also a link to "All Natural Cancer Treatment" (sadly now 404) at the bottom, I have great scepticism, sorry.

The diet soda studies seem rather flawed as well. Correlation and causation mashup. I may as well state that global warming is caused by lack of pirates.

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I drink lots of diet drinks. I'm fat. I'd take a lot of convincing there is causation rather than correlation.

So, Will being a pirate make me thinner? ;)

Do you have no storage space on your chair, hang it off somewhere! Couldnt think of anything worse than eating fish and chips in your car!
When I got in the next day the smell would drive me straight back for more!

I'm sure I could create a graph that shows that it would :).

Lol, Redsgirl minus weight of lower leg and eye Plus weight of parrot, cutlass and earring=

Thanks, a scone in Burnley is fish sandwiched between two slices of potato battered and deep fried. I think.

Ooh, love those, known to me as fish patties.
Your post makes more sense to me now, wondered how you were making a chip shop/cream tea
connection. :D

I don't feel very well after reading that.

Were there really only 17 pirates in 2000??? There are definitely a lot more now.

I do not base my statements and beliefs on reports from myriad 'health' websites, even though I may use these to link to the story. This is a poker site not a research centre, so I try to avoid posting pdfs all over the place. Best not to judge it based on how one of the link pages looks (so much BS all over the internet), but to examine the evidence out there from the sources. It's a credit to you that you raise an eyebrow or two to website reports like these. I'm not in the habit of posting unsubstantiated bullshit however.


No/not really.

You're right to point out the oversimplification by most journalists covering this research, where they say 'Study finds that drinking diet cokes makes you fat.' However, to compare it to the schoolboy causation-correlation conflation error could give someone reading that comment a view more distorted than the web-journalists ever did.

Good study to which your example might apply:
I perform a study, where I go out and grab 100 people, half of whom are obese, half of whom are ideal BMI. I quiz thoroughly on drinking habits, and I find WOOO!, the fatties drink more diet coke. Therefore diet coke makes you fat.
Fail. Diet coke might make you fat. But it could well be, that fatties are aware they're fat, and are just trying to lose weight by drinking diet coke, much more than regular-sized people.

The research to which those articles refer, are both studies. They are not 'experiments', which can more powerfully demonstrate causation. Neither are they cross-sectional studies. They are longitudinal studies, with fairly large, broad-spectrum cohorts, that measure a large number of variables, including diet, exercise, calorie intake (to some extent), and others. What the main study basically found was that those who drank diet drinks put on more weight, even when other factors were taken into account. The more diet drinks they had, the more weight they put on (proportionately), over about 10 years. This effect was even more pronounced among those who were dieting. The researchers were the first to point out that it was a correlation study, and that there are alternative hypotheses. However, when you bear in mind the other variables that they controlled for, the emergence of a significant, positive, dose-response relationship between Artificial sweetener consumption and all of their 3 measures of weight gain and consider the other research on Artificial sweeteners and the relationship between Acid-forming foods and obesity, it would be very reasonable to conclude that the most likely explanation is that drinking diet sodas is causing weight gain and obesity.


http://www.wnho.net/artificially_sweetened_beverages.pdf
These people aren't idiots (even though those that report their stories may be). They're aware of drawing inferences between rising temperature levels and numbers of pirates. They know that rising ice-cream consumption isn't the cause of murders in New York (even though the levels of both correlate beautifully).


Meaning you looked for some and found none? There's plenty of research on it. The links between
1) acidosis
/
 2) the body's attempts at maintaining a stable acidity level in the face of too many acid-forming foods (like those diet-cokes you're knocking back)

and
obesity are quite well documented.

Good place to start: http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/22755010/1681464815/name/Acid-base%2Bbalance%2Band%2Bweight%2Bgain%2B-%2BBerkmeyer%2B%2B2008%2BReview%2Barticle.pdf

(Like most biological processes, is pretty complex and multilayered; this is what makes me link to popular science videos like the one below instead of articles like the one above, until I'm told what I posted is bullshit ;) )


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpoAtwVyzZI

Great response. However, I'm a chemical engineer. No 1 rule: In - Out = Accumulation. Unless you're breaking the laws of physics, the ONLY thing that can make you put on weight is consuming more calories or expending less. In my tiny little mind, it is absolutely impossible for someone to switch from full-sugar drinks to no-sugar drinks and increase in weight. If drinking diet drinks makes you hungry then fine, I can accept that, but then if that's the only argument I would have said that's a bit of a no-brainer anyway. Consume less, get hungry. If fat bastards like me didn't eat when we were hungry we wouldn't get fat. It would still take a lot of convincing for me to switch back to full fat drinks on the grounds that they were overall healthier. Not saying it couldn't happen; I hope I've got a reasonably open mind, but would take a lot of evidence to overwhelm my personal incredulity.

Saying that, I'll actually look at the links you posted when I get some time ;).


This is the crucial bit, isn't it. A good study can demonstrate causation if it's absolutely eliminated other factors.

I drink diet Sainsbury's Dandelion & Burdock. Lovely it is. Don't do it at all in full-sugar, so I'm destined to remain a fat bastard.

Thanks Rex, I'll have a reread over some stuff too and we can tackle that IN-OUT thing.
I was on diet-drinks for ages, on exactly the same principle, plus I found them quite 'filling'. My diet was rice-disks plus creme-fraiche plus something to make that not taste bland (olives/peppers/tabasco) plus 2 glasses of diet coke. Worked poorly, results maybe confounded by simultaneous 'Miracle Beer Diet' :)
Incredulity is a great approach to any kind of diet-based claims I think. Many seem to hop from Atkins to cabbage-soup to the next one without questioning.

I love Rubicon's passion fruit-flavoured fizzy drink.

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I think it's the fact that it's got more than 40g of sugar in each can.  Lovely.

That's a cake!!! Any Northerner worth their salt knows that :)

xx

Yea its a fishcake xx

In = Food, drink and Oxygen
Out = Poo, Piss and Carbon Dioxide (ok, a few nano-grams of mass get converted to energy, if you really want to be pedantic)
Accumulation = my fat belly

What's to tackle? Don't come all biology namby-pamby with the laws of physics man! :)

I love the internets. 

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/2605/how-does-mass-leave-the-body-when-you-lose-weight

Ahem, I think you'll find that fishcakes are the small round ones with the mashed up fish-potato-
green bits, covered in orange breadcrumbs.

Definitely this and they're amazing!!

Deserves more love.

Why is everyone talking about pirates today??

Geo

The answers aren't particularly satisfactory IMHO . Your body makes energy from sugars and oxygen. The waste product of this reaction is carbon dioxide and water. So as you convert food into energy you basically sweat out some of it, and breath out the rest (O2 in, CO2 out). That's basically how you "lose weight". There's some more complicated chemistry with anaerobic respiration, but you end up with pretty much the same. The rest is utterly irrelevant as it doesn't involve mass entering or leaving the body.

Yup.. the round flat mashed up fish and potato things covered in breadcrumbs ARE fish cakes...

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However, chopped up fish placed in a potato sandwich, battered and deep fried is simply a cake..

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aka cake and chips please.. or if you'd prefer.. cake butty please...

I'll take mine with scraps, 2 sachets of red sauce and a can of full fat Dandelion and Burdock thanks :)

xx

Methinks your northern isn't quite northern enough....
Please scroll down to the Menu, left hand column, item ten.
http://www.4durhamcounty.co.uk/mini/clems/

This is the chip shop of all chip shops. Their gravy, which we have already established is a benchmark of a good northern chippy, comes with onions and mushrooms and shreds of braised
steak in it, as standard!
If Clems says its a pattie, its a pattie.
I thank you.

Some of the 'proper' answers further down (ignore the comments) are good.  Like they say, if you look at the body as a self-contained system, the only things that 'leave' your body, and therefore reduce the mass are:

- Sweat
- Air we breathe out (oxygen, CO2, nitrogen, water vapour, trace chemicals)
- Waste (solid and liquid)
- Dead skin/hair cells that 'fall off'
- Minute amounts of mass that is converted to heat

So with any 'diet', the way weight is actually lost is when the body metabolises 'energy' stored in fats/sugars/proteins and converts them into energy or other useful compounds, and some is turned into 'waste' (mostly water, co2, or stuff you need to dispose of down the loo).

No self-respecting Northener ever eats gravy with fecking mushrooms in, it's the devil's gravy that is!

Onions? Yes
Steak? Yes

Mushrooms? That one's easy...

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So I suppose Calorie-controlled diet people are big on this hypothesis, and there is a certain amount of truth to the whole IN-OUT thing.
IN
Calories from food
OUT
Waste, the other stuff you mentioned.

IN>OUT Gain weight
OUT>IN Lose weight.

Another related hypothesis: The most important (some would say only) factor in determining weight gain is the number of calories consumed versus the calories 'burnt' through activity and normal digestion.
 In other words, if Bob and Mike are identical twins, and we feed them the same number of calories, and they carry out the same 'work', but the types of foods that make up these calories are totally different, there will be no difference in weight gain between them. An example would be Bob drinking water and Mike drinking 4 cans of diet Pepsi per day. Same calorific value, right?

Apparently, it ain't so.

How could this be? Biology apparently. Insulin n stuff. Insulin became famous in diet speak because levels change as blood sugar levels change, and blood sugar levels change depending on the Glycemic Index of what you're eating (White rice v high, for example, houmous v low). In certain situations of very high blood sugar (after a giant curry I suppose), the insulin will work to bring the blood sugar down, will over-compensate, you'll have too low blood sugar, you can't draw from fat stores for energy due to high insulin levels, so your body turns to protein and starts attacking lean muscle mass. So I read anyway, I'm no expert in this. A bit pissed off at this too, I thought I had a miracle rice diet on the go.
Metabolism is similarly raised as an issue by the diet drinks/ acid-forming foods argument people. Irrespective of the number of calories you consume, if the blood acid levels cause your metabolism to be compromised (messing with your thyroid iodine or something), you will store the calories as fat more readily.
Seems to make sense and have quite a lot of support. Pure calorie controlled diet, and one with fizzy pop and high levels of acid-forming foods, /high GI foods, not the way to go I think.

How do high GI foods in general make you store more fat when calorie levels are the same? Don't know, need to read on it.
How do fizzy drinks/ other acid-forming foods affect mineral levels that then (probably) modify insulin levels and metabolism to make you gain weight even though you didn't take in too many calories? Don't know, need to read on it.

All I know for certain is that I now really want a big can of kinboshi's Rubicon and some of Trip5's northern fishcakes, please.

GTFO...

That menu is practically Scottish.. and WTF do the Scottish know about cake and chips?? Why would 'Clems' produce a Scottish hybrid menu I hear you ask? Well, primarily because Durham, Newcastle, Sunderland et al are practically part of Scotland, as beautifully demonstrated by Hexam having Hadrians wall running through it.....

I think you'll find all of us Yorkshire folks are just Northern enough thanks!!!

For that reason, your feeble attempt to de-rail my cakeness is a definite fail.. on both counts.

I thank you... twice :D

xx

Manuel's Old Dear, I'm also pretty certain that the picture is further clouded by the way different people deal with different foods and their bodies metabolise fats, carbs, proteins differently.

I also think you'd have to drink a LOT of anything like diet coke for it to have a dramatic effect on your body and your weight.

lol POTW.

Translation please? :)

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLYpKGVBUg

Mushrooms in gravy??? GTFO!!!!

WHAT ?

Nice attempt to push is into Scotland so you can pretend your proper northerners, good effort.

Was that pattie n chips wrapped in foil?

Shocking behaviour if so.

This also, good point, yes.


I would have thought so also, but apparently it ain't so.

In the study I cited http://www.wnho.net/artificially_sweetened_beverages.pdf
there was already a dramatic increase in weight gain/circumference gain in someone drinking 2 ASBs (artificially sweetened beverages) per day compared to someone drinking none. 2 per day pretty standard among those that are into such things.

2 x ASBs per day over several years = 2 x the weight gain and 2 x the circumference gain compared to a non-ASB consumer

5 x ASBs per day over several years = 5 x the weight gain and 5 x the circumference gain compared to a non-ASB consumer

(both correlations, but probably also causations)

Just 2? WTF man?

Well I'm thinking probably:

1) Artificial Sweeteners are really sweet, much sweeter than sugar. The sweet taste of them has been suggested as having a role in people putting on more weight than controls, possibly due to disruption in reward pathways etc (brain expects incoming calories/sugars from taste on tongue, gets none. They cited analogue studies on rats on Aspartamine)

2) Acid-formation.
Most people are already in a fairly over-acidic state (compared to the blood pH ideal), I think. Diet sodas are right up there near the worst acid-forming consumables. 2 of these a day are going to cause fairly high net system-acidity, with the subsequent body-compensation attempts, and with the subsequent metabolism disruption that the latter causes.

http://d.yimg.com/kq/groups/22755010/1681464815/name/Acid-base%2Bbalance%2Band%2Bweight%2Bgain%2B-%2BBerkmeyer%2B%2B2008%2BReview%2Barticle.pdf

To answer Redgirl's question, I don't think there's too much to fear in having too many alkalines in your diet. The normal balance I heard cited is 80/20 alkaline-forming to acid-forming foods recommended. Most people are over-acid anyway, shifting to more alkaline going to just bring an equilibrium for the majority. I'm open to correction on that, it's what I saw on skimming.

It is heartbreaking to see what Northerners have to eat. Is there no real food up there? I wish there was something we could do for those poor people.

You can help by staying on the South coast, well out of the way.

M&M, I'll read those pdfs when I'm not on my phone, but it's going to take quite a few significant peer-reviewed studies to convince me of the 'danger' of the such a small consumption of artificially sweetened drinks being so extreme.

Now, people, I didn't want to have to go here, but I really don't feel I'm getting my propers.
I am the official forum sage! I demand some respect!
I am prepared to accept the regional variations Cake/Pattie/Scone.

I am not prepared to be told the North East is Scottish. The Scottish wouldn't like it either.

Mushrooms are a perfectly acceptable addition to gravy, they don't really affect the taste, and
can quite easily be picked out if you aren't over fond.

And yes david3103, I too was a little disturbed by the foil wrapped meal, and was hoping nobody
else would notice. sigh.

I thank you.
Thrice. ;nanana;

I love mushrooms, but I don't want them in my gravy uninvited tyvm.

Have you tried it? My mother puts mushrooms in the gravy sometimes and it's incred, I was a doubter until I tried it.

Yes I've tried it, and I like it. Sometimes.

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Brilliant  :D

chips

10% pls

I regret to inform you but it's unlikely that Mr Vik will reply.

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Ooh, good to see you have been paying attention Mr H, nice one.