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Hello Blonde.

For those who don't know me my name is Tom Langley and I have played online MTT's for a living for about 2 years.

Scoop is just under 3 weeks away and as all MTT grinders I'm all giddy and looking forward to THE best tournament series online and have made a package for the event. It comprises of all the medium buyin tournaments I wish to play (all low ones will be played on stake for my backers)

Here is the package:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsVHuJY94ahAdElSRGo1VG9HUkdtdWl6MkdqSEJkcXc#gid=0

As you can see it is a fairly large package, I am looking to sell 75% of my action in the events.

Why am I a good investment?
I have a good work ethic and work on my game daily to try and improve in every possible way.
Fields will be overall very soft with millions of satellites running daily
I have just moved into a new flat which needs christening with a huge score ;)

All the details are on the googledoc but the prices are as follows:

1% = $72
5% = $360
10% = $720

Here is my OPR:
http://officialpokerrankings.com/pokerstars/player/poker/results/EDC9C507B13E4F609C3203488FC28FF7.html?t=2

Feel free to Sharkscope me aswell, I play under the following names:

Stars = Mt.Spewmore
iPoker = tl9o0/810spadespade/HiguysFitzyHere
.fr = Mt.Spewwmore (not played too much)
FTP = 810ofspades (not played too much)

I have included alot of the mixed games that I feel I will have a strong edge in in SCOOP, these games are littered with inexperienced players and players just flicking it in for leaderboard points etc. Last year I final tabled the SCOOP-L Stud Hi and final table bubbled the Medium Stud8 events. I ran a similar package last year for SCOOP (off blonde) but Pleno/DMorgan/Stato also I believe all had pieces and I'm sure they can vouch that I payed out $5-6k total promptly upon completion of the series.

Any questions please don't hesitate to ask, I will get to them ASAP.

Please send funds to Mt.Spewmore (pocarr avatar) on stars (preferably) or 810ofspades on ftp or via bank transfer

Disclaimer:
There is a chance my backers (Pocarr) will want all the action for themselves, if this happens I reserve the right to cancel and refund the package with all markup before the series starts

Flame Away!

5 please

5% please

both booked ty, let me know if you require bank details

Yeah if you could pm bank deets.

5 please. And could you send bank deets ty.

tom is v v v good  (in before dubai :D:D) and v trustworthy. if i could back one player long term for live+online mtts it would most likely be tom.

gl in this, i'll have 5 for now and if you dont sell out, will have another 5. most likely sending stars.

I think it's nice that you've took over Keys' role in staking threads these days :P

I didn't realise TL was the best in world, sick praise itt.

#justavouch #onlypositives  #boughtapiece

ya 5%


#plenoshouldwearahat

5pc please

5%  please. Will need to be bank transfer or stars post 7th May.

5% plz

I'll take 5% please

All booked, sending bank deets claypole 29% left

5% please

5ball please

5% please

Sorry Tom, can you reduce mine to 2? Housemate going to Monte Carlo has resources spread a little thin!

No problemo, will update spread in the morning.

2? Bank pls

Shipped mate. Gl team

2% please
Bank probably best so just let me know details

OK thats 70% sold, so I am gona treat that as SOLD OUT for now. May reopen 5% more later.

Cheers all and gl us.

I'll have 5% if any more becomes available please

Can have 2.5% of mine if u like ? I may have been billy big balls and bought too much :p

was going to ask for a measly 1% yesterday but didnt

keep that in mind if it comes available

thanks and good luck

Ship when I get home which will be around Sunday?

Hope that's ok

If not free it up to someone else

shipped on stars as going away for a week or two.

geeel

no thats fine, no rush

Just shipped £233 via Bank Transfer.  Thanks

Sent this morning by bank

Thanks pal. I will take it if that's still ok? As soon as you confirm I will ship money to Tom.

Yea stu that's fine, thanks. Ill ship for my 2.5 this week Tom

Sent my $$ on stars for 2.5% Tom, Honeybadger has the other 2.5%

Sent money on Stars for my 2.5% too.

shipped 91.64

Sent from Raziel2689

you sent for 2.5% and you stated 2%, you want the extra .5% or change sending back?

I'll have the extra .5 if its going

Tom can you send me your bank deets plz

Its taken me a while to pluck up the courage/bottle/stop balling like a child to write this, on friday I went to the crematorium for my deceased dads birthday then went back to my mums. Once at my mums my stepfather comes home from work in a foul mood but w/e nothing to unnormal, me and him have never seen eye to eye. However it then got to a point where he started involving my dad telling me he would be turning in his grave about me and how much of a disgrace I am to my mum and him and that I should sort my life out and then I flew off the handle in a tilt/rage I have never been in all my life. People who know me I'm sure will tell you I am not an angry/aggressive person in any way shape or form but this was uncontrollable anger, punches were thrown with my mum frantically trying to hold me back, she eventually stopped me from trying to rip his eyes out and then kicked me out. I tried to phone a couple of friends to try and help me chill out but no-one was about so I just came home and lied on bed until I'd calmed down, eventually I did ofc or so I'd thought so I started playing some poker as there is nothing else to do in my house until TV gets fixed. Then I started running bad and the uncontrollable anger set in again. It was undescribable I have never felt anything like it as much as I wanted to I just couldnt stop playing and then I started playing bigger and bigger with money that wasn't mine I just couldn't stop. I lost everything, all your investments, my backers money, all my money, everything. I don't have a penny to my name, I owe people thousands of dollars and I have no-one to turn too. I'm scared and I'm lonely and I have no idea what to do. I realise this is probably me done in poker, or staking atleast but I promise to you all as soon as I can I will pay you all back your investments with interest. I will probably have to look into seeing someone because there is obviously demons/issues in my head that need to be sorted. I am so unbelievably sorry to everyone and trust me as much as you may hate me/think I'm a ***** now it's no where near as much as I hate myself. I regard well over half of you as my friends and for me to have done this is totally inexcusable and I'm totally ashamed of myself.

I don't know what else to say. I'm so sorry.

Tom

I hope you get your life sorted mate

Yes sorting your own personal well being should be ur number 1 priority. Good luck

I'm surprised there hasn't been more comments made in this thread.

Look Tom, I don't know you at all; altho I do trust and respect some of your friends and people who vouched for you.  All I am going to say is when something like this happens the test of you as a person is how you deal with it.  I've got to be honest - the post you made makes it very difficult to respond; which is why I think there probably hasn't been much comment.  Most of the people on this forum are decent; and the reasons you've provided are a bit different to "I'm a degen knocked it in on Man U v Chelsea"; stakers coming on being honest about theyre feeling is pretty difficult when you've posted a pretty raw post from a mental wellness perspective.

Scott's and Paul's posts good examples, they're good people ; "get yourself right and focus on yourself". Of course they are right - but what else would they say.  Part of that is taking some responsibility for this situation and dealing with it in the right way.  As you said these are not all close friends that have shipped you over £200 each. It's a sizeable stake - albeit I'm pretty sure most people write off when they are booked so it's not going to affect their lives.  However, they've every right to be pissed of - I was when directed to the thread last night, even to its a twoer and your having a tough time; that's me being honest - it's a values thing for me whatever the reasons are.

So, all I'm going to say is be completely honest (even if by PM to stakers, dont have to share with world) try and deal with this in the right way, communicate effectively and sort it out - even if it takes a while. As you say if you don't you don't have much of a future in poker; if you do people with forgive and support you - and give you a second chance.

I genuinely hope you're ok and have some good people around you to help.

Small bit of advice from a bystander.

I am owed significant but not life changing amounts of money by three people.

It's frustrating because I'm pretty borassic at the moment and could do with it, but they haven't got it so I'm in the waiting room.

Two keep me up to speed with the situation and send me small amounts when they can, which is cool.

The other one has been on the missing list for nearly a year now. It's unbelievably annoying. I have no idea what's happening.

So my advice to you would be, don't hide.

Make a list of all the money you owe and sort out a repayment schedule. Keep everyone in the loop with what's happening and when they are likely to see their money back. Forget about interest, no one expects that. They just want their cash back.

If that means taking a job and paying back half your wages every week, so be it.

You have to face the consequences of your actions, running and hiding is the worst thing possible.

Working your way out of it might actually teach you how hard it is to come by money sometimes.

Your post suggest you will do the right thing, let's hope you do.

All the best.

Moved my post as I told myself I'm not getting involved in these things when I came back to blonde

(Was nothing controversial btw)

sigh mate.

Not really sure what to say and whilst it is of course inexcusable, I genuinely don't think you are a bad guy and you meant this to go as far as it did. I think dozens of us have been close to it before and it is really sad to see.

I genuinely hope you can sort this out in the best way possible and to be honest, I think you will. Don't do anything stupid and try and come back fighting, there will always be plenty of people who will stand by you and help out as you can see re Marc/Blatch etc etc.

Haven't known you long mate but if you ever want to chat message me on FB/Twitter I'll throw you my number. Don't be alone during this time.

Sigh.

I mean... Its pretty frustrating when i take a punt when im semi-broke. Taking a punt and someone playing shit is fine, but this is kinda grim.

That being said, like others have said, the real test to you as a person now Tom is how you deal with it, do things right and you give people the chance to forgive and forget etc, dont and well im sure your aware.

I hope you manage to sort out things with your personal life then make the required effort to right your wrongs

You may well have replied to the people above via PM, but it looks pretty bad itt, to me atleast, that you've been online but not responded, esp to those who invested.

Just think you should do everything possilble to attempt to start rebuilding your reputation.

Hope everything gets sorted out, whilst you feel like shit at the moment this doesn't need to be a life defining moment by any means.

What looks bad? What do you want me to say to people 1 day after that post? I cant fix this bridge overnight and it will take time. Today I applied for 4 jobs 3 of which I am 100% certain I will not get a 2nd look by and spoke to my backers to see what the score is and where I stand with them. Tomorrow i will probably rinse and repeat. When some substantial good news comes up i will happily inform everyone who i owe money too.

I dont know what you want me to say/do.

Just personally I would address the comments and advice people have giving itt just for courtesy sake if nothing else.

VBOL to you in getting yourself sorted out asap.

When u do get a job and regular income what will get priority in who gets paid first?

Your backer
Your other debts
This thread?


I know my debt is prob your smallest but 90£ is quite a lot for me to punt about


The reason I'm asking is that I might try sell this debt

Also can u change ur avatar kinda tilting :)

Speaking as an investor I don't think Tom could do anything else at this time.

Moving forward I think that once he has an income, there should be full disclosure as to how much he owes and the payment plans to each investor.

Good luck and just remember that lots of people have got themselves in deeper holes and got out of it so I'm sure you can too. Just be as honest and update in a regular fashion.

Amazing to me what qualifies for grilling and what's left ride.  Good thing he's not complained of depression too or this thread was finished. 

My backers havent disclosed their position on me yet and are discussing it as we speak. However, they dont seem too keen to instantly drop me (touch wood) so im hoping it will be make sure i have money to live, pay this thread back sort out something with backers.

I dont understand this, i cant tell if this is a dig at me or not, could u explain please?

I think you are missing the point a bit Tom and haven't really taken the time to consider the good posts above and taken them in the spirit to which they were intended.  I invested and it wasn't until a friend of mine pointed out your post that I knew what had happened.  It would have been courteous, at the very least, for you to pm all of the investors and let them know what had happened personally and give an idea of what you intend to do to pay us back and make it right.

People have every right to tell me how pissed off they are, i didnt write that post as a sympathy post. I was just trying to explain in the best way possible i could what happened. I will endeavour to set this straight with everyone asap. And i know i will have to work hard to gain the trust and respect back of my peers who i respect and regard as friends. I can't do any more than that. Once again i am sorry.

Not at all a dig at you.  In fact, your case puts new light on others where a lot more is owed, yet it seems to be forgiven.  Just pointing out glaring differences and wondering how they're justified. 

Lol grimming is so common it hardly causes a ripple these days.

Also people need more confidence when going on job interviews, it's all about the confidence.

Can we free herbie now pls?

Herbies banned?

herbie is a martyr

Nah.  He needed a new outfit or four and has been busy shopping.  Rumour has it, he's taken up cross dressing.  He hasn't denied the rumour and his wife would like her dressing gown back.

No - you aren't doing that at all.  You are using this forum to get in digs about a personal situation that occurred off forum and it is getting a bit tedious.  Constantly airing it on here in the form of subtle little digs that only those that know of the situation are going to understand isn't going to help you sort it out and, if anything, will just make it worse and create more ill feeling.

trolling>grimming

 ;applause;

And your quick assumption of the matter easily rests my case.   

maybe Tom would get your sympathy if he was your mate and ran off to vegas instead of facing up to this?

Again rushing to assumptions, but that seems to be a theme around the place.  At least Blatch had Mommy and Daddy around to keep everyone happy.   ;)

You might want to re-read my initial post.  I have no problem at all with Tom.  In fact, I'm on his side in so much as witch hunts seem to go.  That's the point.  Selective issues around here are pretty comical and that's all I was pointing out.  Poorly obv, to say there's an issue with it.

You make this sound like a bad thing.

I've only met Tom a few times, he has 'grimmed' friends of mine, in this thread, but everyone needs to stay out of it, and let him sort it with them.

Everyone knows what Tom has done now, so no one is in danger of being done again.

Everyone who invested in me has every right and should be angry at me. People who havent, not so much. Upon the advice of a couple of people I'm gona try and stay off forum as much as possible and not post and try to only speak to investors via PMs.

This will get fixed. Thankyou.

Sigh. As people said sort your life out. Pay me when you can.

this whole thing doesnt wash with me, something is off and everyone knows it.

Declare total how much you owe ITT very urgently.

Also people need to be VERY careful with the word VOUCH. there is about 3 people on the planet I'd vouch for blind.

yeah as dave says, the word 'vouch' used to mean "ill pay everyone if he grims, i would lie down on the road with a million in my pocket and him driving a car towards me" now it seems to mean, "yeah he can play a bit and has never grimmed me"

i think pleno has to take some responsibility here, if any investors are really under it i feel he should stump up until the debt is paid. His vouch acted as a catalyst for people to flock to the thread and i think patrick has to be held accountable for something, even if its just being accountable for a mis judgment of character.

Whilst I understand the point of the posters above, anyone taking #justavouch as a completely 100% mind settling factor has been a touch silly. Why this would particularly convince anyone without pming Pleno for a word beats me. It has some sway but at the same time really, just really?

To be fair, even if Pleno hadn't posted that, the thread woulda sold out anyway.

The point is that when someone as well respected and knowledgeable as Pleno "vouches" for someone, that means a whole hell of a lot to people when deciding whether or not to invest in someone..... and when he gives someone such a  glowing reference as "if i had only the money to back one person it would be him" which insinuates he would trust him with copious sums of money above all other potential realistic suitors, that in itself gives everyone else huge confidence to take pieces of this guy and regardless of whether this thread would have sold out or not certain people have bought pieces because of Plenos influence (which I'm sure when he gave the reference that was intention given his understandable personal bias towards OP). So as much as Pleno's intentions were undoubtedly good I think he certainly has to take a part of the responsibility with regard to the people that have bought pieces at least in part due to his reference.

lol at the heat on pleno instead of op.

wp Dave for the reality check. This guy has knocked in everyone's money and blamed it on "the pain inside" but seems to escape with a few good luck for the future messages.

Can I ask if op is allowed to continue enjoying his membership as normal? I don't see any personal flaming from mods or lifetime bans being imposed. In fact I don't see anything happening when this is a major weed in the ladygarden.

Just lol.

As said in the other tread blonde community is very different to most as everybody knows everybody.

If this was a guy off pokerstrategy who nobody had met then I would snap offer to stump up the money for all involved.

In this case almost half of the action was sold before I woke up almost everybody has probably met the guy before, he is v active in the uk poker scene and he is also a prolific online grinder (top 1% in terms f volume of blonde posters)

The reasons that you can speak so freely is because of the community on blonde of it was for everybody then I'd understand but it's for 300+ posts.

Ithis/other thread definitely made me see things completely differently here, I'll be I guess policing every one of my posts/not posting as much.

Anybody who invested after I posted in the tread can pm if they have a problem as I don't mind sorting it out if they genuinely invested because of me then I will cover the money. My pride/reputation worth a lot more to me than ( in the grand scheme of things) a little bit of money.

All of this can be done completely anonymously.

Looks like:

Beaneh
Stato
Leatherman
SharkyUk
Yian
Alex goulder
Dan Morgan
Gasman
Tomsom (300 posts?)
Paul h
Bulldozer
Honeybadger

So for all above if you have never bought in Tom before and you wouldn't have bought a piece of it wasnt for me then pm me and I'll pay your money off forum and I'll sort with Tom separately.

@ mantis.

You think tom should be banned?

How would that help people get their money back?

As fat as I know, no one has been banned for griimming on blonde.

dont ban him pls

I have no contact with tom if he gets banned

Am I deemed not worthy of you stumping up or too liquid lol - omitted from list ha ha

Fwiw, wouldn't expect you too, Buyer beware and all that - mind you good gesture and ort of refects your values.  I get Lil Dave abd Triggs point tho, you should be careful as I think you sometimes are too giving and judge by your own values, good trait tho.

Haha sorry missed you out and didn't post couple names who were off forum. You're obv welcome to the same as the other guys mentioned in the post.

Been playing at DTD and then had family round for BBQ all day yesterday so only saw this thread last night. In a way, I'm kind of glad i didn't know earlier by PM as i would have been thinking about it during the day. Just at work so will briefly give my view.

I know i have only a small % and ~£100 isn't going to mean my family are eating beans on toast for the month but must admit I am still surprised when this kind of stuff happens with other people's money. However, i guess what people want to see is some humility and facts about exactly where we are at. I presume by "doing the lot" you mean that you deposited all funds sent to you by bank and proceeded to lose that as well? So best thing is to keep people informed and be honest/open about what is going on.

@pleno - as a small punter looking to stake occasionally because my own volume is really low, your "recommendation" did kind of sway my decision, knowing there may be a dozen other SCOOP staking threads. I was a bit wary about the part where he mentioned his normal backer and the fact that stakes might be cancelled if they decided to get involved but I have played against TL a few times on stars so know he is capable, so decided to take a punt knowing that someone thinks he is trsutworthy etc.
Do i think you should be on the hook? No, of course not. I don't know you personally but you seem "super" enthusiastic about the game and community and that is great to see. Its just unfortunate that this has happened on a thread where you were trying to help.
Should you become less involved? No, of course not. You tried to help and had TL proceeded to play the stake nothing further would have happened, in fact you would have felt great and everyone would be backslapping had he actually shipped something. I guess its just a lesson learnt in the liberal use of words, especially where other people are involved. Your pride/reputation will be fine.
I don't think you should cover the debt, TL should do this, however long it takes.

fwiw, if this thread happened again tomorrow, after knowing everything in the aftermath here regarding what I said, I would still say the first post just not the stupid twitter hashtag, it was most likely just done in bed rofling about.

I always obviously hired Tom to work for me in terms of producing content, so that alone would show that I think he is very capable and trustworthy as I would never hire anybody I didn't have a LOT of faith in as that is my job! Keys, Rupert being the other guys off Blonde who have made videos and have v good reputations.

Pleno1 - the Ronnie O'Sullivan of blonde poker   ;D

Not sure really, just trying to work out who the villains are.

Maybe the guy posting about knocking in the money and then jumping on the tikay betting thread to chat about bets and rolling around the forum as normal is questionable, but suppose it's your job to decide. Just seems saying bad things is a greater offence than actually doing bad things around here. I am surprised that stealing money from a group of fellow blonde members has never been a banning offence though, not even restriction of the staking priviledge. But if you say Thatcher was ok or somebody's mark-up is too high mods run around with their skirts in the air. What's all that about?

Wow. I really am shocked at this.

Tom is a friend so id rather speak to him privately but I wanna say on here for the record that I would've "vouched" for Tom the same way pleno did. Without knowing what "vouch" could actually mean to some people.

He is a friend, he's stayed my house, we chat quite a bit over skype/fb/twitter, we've had numerous financial dealings over the past, I gave him £1k to play in a soft 5/5 DC game at Dtd as little as 2weeks ago. I knew he was under it, thats pretty obvious to anyone though seeing as he's selling 75% at mu for a package. But he's a REALLY good player and I had a lot of faith in him.

So much so that when I had a staking stable, he was the next guy I wanted, and tried to "sign" him a few times but timings never really worked (I didn't have enough £ to take him on when he was free, then when I did he had found another backer etc) but he was top of my list for a many months.

Clearly something has gone massively wrong here.

What Tom said his step dad said seems unforgivable and could get me angrier than just about anything. But how you go from that to depositing all the money people had wired to you, and spewing it off in a few hours is a step I just can't ever imagine taking. Something doesn't add up here.

Either way, it's a terrible thing to do and Tom knows that and I hope he makes it right.

Where we go from here- I agree with others- TOTAL transparency. I think screenshots of deposit history and withdrawal history for last 30 days, maybe giving someone your pw so they can look at what's happened. Full list of who you owe (inc backers) a plan about payback (who's getting paid first, how regular instalments are etc)and regular updates about progress etc.

Don't hide or run away, you can make this right.

As it seems you will keep tweaking the tail until you get bored

The suggestion that Langley be banned makes no sense. At present, blonde is the only channel via which creditors can converse with him, so it would be counter-productive to ban him at the moment.

Once he pays everyone back, assuming he does, we COULD ban him, but if he paid everyone back, there would be no need really, as this appears not a "grim" as such, he just got out of control.

For now, he is Banned from any future Staking requests becuase the Staking board self-polices. Tom knows he can't ask for staking, as do others who have let down their stakers publically.

The mods see no reason to take any further action against him at this point in time.

At least he has been on the thread & fessed up.

There were at least two cases last year where similar things occurred (staking funds disappeared) & the stakee tried to keep it quiet, & messed stakers about. Both paid up eventually, but kept the situation off-Forum. Neither people used the staking boards until the situation was resolved

I think the Langley route of addressing the issue publically is infinitely better. 

Can I ask you now to stop constantly dissing the mods please? Extremely tiresome to have to constantly read it. I know you disagree on some issues. We get it, we've read it 37 times in the last fortnight

thank you

Tom,

I think you need send a concise PM to all investors as to what happened with all of the gory details, what happened with the bank money, exactly what you played and where all the money went to clear the air and close the book on speculation as to what money went where and to address possible self restriction from whatever you spewed off at, higher limits etc.

That would go a long way to drawing a line under what happened. It'll be pretty shitty digging it all up but investors have a right to full disclosure. Once that's done we can draw a line under the incident itself and focus on what you're going to do to get everyone paid. I definitely agree that keeping away from posting openly on the forum is a good idea until this mess is sorted, it only serves to feed the vultures.

You're a good player and a valuable member of the community. People are willing to forgive and forget as long as you let them, so taking proactive steps to repair relations with your investors is by far your best play here imo. Pay no attention to those wishing to hijack the situation for their own ends. What is important is repairing your relationship with the community and that starts right now, so be sure not to go silent on us.

I'd suggest that all investors wishing to contact Tom do so via PM and this thread be left for significant updates and repayment information.

I agree with pleno that you're one of the good guys that just landed in a shitty situation and handled it badly. It doesn't have to be the end of the world or of your poker career if you handle it well. I hope you can get your head back in the game as soon as possible and this will be a distant memory for all of us eventually. You have my Skype if you wanna discuss anything that's been said.

Gl

Skirts up, ladygardens out

Can I ask you now to stop constantly dissing the mods please? Extremely tiresome to have to constantly read it. I know you disagree on some issues. We get it, we've read it 37 times in the last fortnight

In the last fortnight I've made 25 posts on a range of subjects and only mentioned modding a couple of times here itt. Why exaggerate so?

I think you deciding a member "just got out of control" from his say so alone without being presented with any facts is a worry.

I mention it cos one of my favourite members has been banned for life. You seem to lose patience very quickly with some members yet are saying here op didn't grim and his behaviour is infinitely better than some, quite a defensive stance really. Yet you highlight my behaviour as being extremely tiresome. Personally I think op's behaviour is shameful. But pls keep your narky comments coming my way TightEnd.

If the facts presented in this thread change then our position may change

As to "losing patience very quickly" with some members I presented the facts about one of your "favourite members" and the attempts over a long period of time that the mods had made to avoid a ban on the "smashedagain" thread, which I note you did not respond to. I had thus assumed your point had been put to bed.


Its no wonder I get narky with you Mantis, really.

patrick, sorry if my post seemed like i was attacking you personally, it wasnt written out with that purpose at all. It was just how the word 'vouch' has evolved in poker over the last 20 years, to now mean somthing really flippant when years ago it was a bond.

as a sidenote, i used to have huge arguments with parents when i was under their roof at like 17-18 years old and got into an actual fight with my dad once, not once during these rows did the thought of playing poker cross my mind, i just rung mates up to go to the pub or id just go somewhere alone.

No obv you're right mate I wouldn't just take the 5k risk or wte it was just because I was angry at a list. I was wrong and happy to pay for the actions and confident in tom that he will repay at a later date.

I added you on Skype to bet on scoop not argue about this :D

you wanna lose some more money? ;)

Haha project #recoverthelosses

Careful with those hashtags met

Sigh, all I wanted if for people to be more careful with the their vouches/references, because people definitely do take notice of them - especially about players they don't know.

It wasn't a personal attack on Patrick, just happened that this thread highlighted the problem.

#nothingpersonal #justgoodbusiness

There seems to be a pattern emerging here & I am not sue if people are seeing it or do not want to say it to sound harsh, I won't say it, because it's nothing to do with me, but look through the whole thread.

As for Mantis, can see the point on Jason, Tom has stolen from the community and all Jason has done is have a different opinion, could discuss it all day.

But the most important thing here is that Tom works out a plan for backers & I hope it all works out well

Just say what you mean it is a lot easier than us trying to read cryptic messages

If people got banned, just for having a different opinion, then there would not be anyone left on the forum. To say that was why Jason was banned is incorrect.

This

Read my explanation on the smashedagain thread Aaron rather than indulging in uninformed comments

By the 'rule' should those not persisting to question be banned or given a warning/ weekend ban?

I disagree with this, therefore I'm banning celtic.

contrary to perception, we really try not to ban!

but yes, you are correct.

The Jason thing, maybe not difference of opinion so much, but generally such a different way to put it.

Patrick, will PM someone soon, but like you all said here regardless "something doesn't add up"

Words of wisdom in this thread.

Kinda agree with mantis and aaron. did not see this coming

Tom,
Call me or answer your phone mate.

I dont have the money to pay all investors back, if I did I would'vde already pm'd them asking for bank details.

However, (and I know my poker opinion isn't regarded the highest) but Tom is atop my list of most personable, normal, friendly and professional people I know in all of poker.

I would back him with every cent I have and I will endeavour to help him where possible arrange payment to all backers, both on here and irl.

I understand the stresses with a step dad and although I dont think I would make the same decision he has, I am his friend and will help him get out of this.

feel free to contact me on here and Skype, will happily give number out for phone calls/ text.

Jb

Good man yourself.

I assumed she meant the Boldie grimming. Pretty sure that was on the forum. Maybe I'm mistaken?

It was but the thread has been deleted..

Pretty lame imo that people are posting in the thread insinuating they know more but aren't going to bother to disclose it.

I thought it seemed wierd Tom didn't reply to people's posts itt and it was going the same way every other thread that includes grimming had went, and I actually had the feeling this was a little different. That fact those posts have been made and people have suggested screenshots etc and Tom hasn't replied is pretty bizarre.

Tom sent a long PM to all investors earlier about the situation.

Somebody should definitely contact the investors if they have information not shared here / by Tom.

(speaking as an investor btw not just getting involved for the sake of it)

It looks bad for him when this stuffs being posted itt and he's not responding.

Obv this will look like I have something against Tom but I really don't.

Hey monda

I disagree completely. Anything he posts will be pounced upon. Some will say he posted on an open forum and he's made his bed but personally as long as he's communicating to his investors I don't think any good will come from him posting anything more on herw

Well once he chooses to post the original "I messed up" message on the thread it's too late to then try and make it private with pms IMO. Either whole thing should be done by pm or whole thing just aired on the staking thread otherwise people get wrong impressions/ideas of what happened etc

I believe you are correct.

I believe you are incorrect.

I think once someone's asked publicly for staking then whatever happens from there on in should also be made public.

It helps to either protect future potential investors or possibly show them that Tom, despite one cock up is still worth investing in in the future.

He shouldn't be allowed to hide in the shadows for what he's done. Not saying he's trying to hide btw as clearly he's not, just saying that sweeping it under the carpet and keeping it private shouldn't be an option on something which was sold publicly.

Threads like this help to show investors that there is a risk involved when stumping up their cash. Most of us have seen it before but many still haven't.

Bolide was in the clique innit.

I have checked back through the Boldie threads this afternoon

The story broke that the "Different type of stake" had gone

It was discussed breifly on the thread, situation complicated by seperate forum for investors to which most of us had no access

Concerns were raised by those close to the family over the wellbeing (in a serious sense) of both Mr and Mrs and it was asked by friends of the family that the thread be removed off here

The thread was removed. Reaction to that was mixed

Some days after it emerged that Boldie had flown to Vegas and had been found

A second thread was started which ran to six pages again with a range of views...Some expressed the view that there was an incosistency with the Blatch and Feldman-bashing threads being kept up whilst another hot thread was removed, the Boldie one

That thread was also deleted when a range of contributors expressed strong concerns over Boldie's mental health, and impact on that if he saw some of the adverse comments on the second thread

No idea what has happened since.

The deletions were in direct response to concerns over his health

Nothing to do with cliques, and not the easiest of modding spots as consistency is important (but not always possible)

Not saying it was right or wrong, but that's why most of it was not played out on forum

If you want privacy don't divulge all the crying in the bedroom, fists flying domestic situation with mum grappling on the landing, and the pain inside. I am happy to explain the details of my innermost personal thoughts and deepest emotions on the forum but will draw the line at screenshots. Seems real.

You should be a scriptwriter for Eastenders.

I actually rec'd $50 from Tom (mt.spewmore on stars) this afternoon, going off the PM i rec'd/the numbers he owes out it looked like i was only person to receive some. Obv happy to get some back, no idea why me etc

Ur the first to buy

Do you have a piece?  wtf has it got to do with you?  Do you even know Tom?  You're attacking him pretty hard with posts like that and its pretty out of order imo.  Crawl back into your hole

Absolutely no need for this, just give the guy a break as those actually involved have decided is the best course of action. Tom is sorting it via PM as it should be done.

Only one person out of order in thread and it isn't mantis.

They might already know this and be trying to sort it best they can. Attacks help no one, surely it is obvious how much Tom has lost through this, it was a mistake and whilst terrible, something Tom appears to be working to fix. I don't think Tom should go through this publicly, surely the apology/confession was enough unless any misgivings/questions arise.

Before it gets out of control ....Time to Lock the thread for the good of the stakers  ?

Too right.

I've not invested in Tom now or previously, so you could say it's got nothing to do with me but I beg to differ in that I am a frequent buyer of pieces of Blondes. I and all other stakers have a right to know what's going on to assist us in future stakes. If Tom has pm'd all stakees and agreed a way forward then the details of this should be made public, just like the public request for backing and just like the public confession.

I bare no malice to Tom, heck I don't even know him, I also hope he sorts himself and his backers out.

I don't post here for nearly 6 months but can't stand the bashing Tom had from a few people here . I don't know Tom long enough but I personally think he's a nice kid but unfortunately just done done stupid mistakes .
I knew he done something that he shouldn't had done but as Chinese people always say " IF THE RICE HAD TURN TO CONGEE , U CAN'T TURN IT BACK TO RICE " . Hopefully Rich or TK will LOCK or DELETE this thread off and let Tom solved this matter privately . He's the person that done the mistakes and I  sure he will take the responsibility to fix it . I am sure he will pay everyone back if he's given time and chances . People out there that r flaming Tom and got nothing to do with Tom, hopefully stop doing this anymore . One more time , pls give the kid a chance .

Ps.. Hi TK and Richard

Fkin love congee

I could not disagree more and you know me I'm not one to disagree.

Tom has lost his way and I'm gutted for him and backers, but this should all be done here for transparency of the forum & reality check for us all.

Perhaps mantis didn't need to post that, yes a little harsh, but we can't sit here and pat him on the back to try and make him better and attempt to get the money back. Then you have Boba talking like that to mantis, it's just rude and not to mention contradictory.

I have not had a piece either, but I wouldn't be telling him "it's all ok" to attempt to get money back. It's not right.

Always had respect for Tom, but not seems to be something wrong here, said it already.

+1 he said in the thread that he wouldnt post anymore and has spoke to all the investors.

I don't see why Tom has to deal with the rest of this publically. I don't know why it is relevant. Some people think Tom needs to be told he is a bad boy, and I'm not sure why, he obviously knows this. Details being aired because people are uneasy is different. I don't think anyone should be put on the stocks especiallly after having admitted guillt and shown a desire to payback, if someone had lorded off with stakers cash i'd be calling for a website appropriate measures for search engine optimisation to make sure its at the top of google etc etc

just consider him a grimmer and nothing will change until the money is paid back, he will post in the thread as/when it is paid, if he doesnt post then consider him to still owe. He can update if he has any significant info.

The thread just turns into the normal yawnathon and hard for the actua investors as they cant see if its Tom posting or random people trolling and they wont want to look through 10 pages of thread to see.

Had 2 PMs from him today.  Think that Tom is handling the best he can.  Obv people want him to post more details so then they can then find more stuff to pick apart.

As an investor, and a very active member on this board, I am happy with how things have progressed so far.

Mantis never buys and is a constant troll on this forum and his post was totally out of order in how it was worded, he really doesnt need to be in the thread at all with stuff like that.  If you think Im the rude one then it says more about you imo

Someone earlier made good points why we should be updated here.

Put please don't turn my words, he doesn't need to be told what he did wrong, but when someone else is being attacked for "being wrong" or offensive to tom, then seems a but ridic. My point is that I'm hardly going to be patting him on the back or ky saying anything. Someone comes into my house steals £x I'm hardly going to be saying "oh that's ok".

Tom will rectify all of this though I'm sure

Much as I would enjoy the voyeuristic side of seeing this all play out in public, I see no valid reason why it should.

This.  Initially I was a little pissed off with how he dealt with it but since then he has behaved perfectly well imo given the circumstances.

Why has Alex's point regarding proof of how the money was lost been overlooked?  I often buy pieces of people on blonde and I would defo want to see screenshots or have an independent person verify the story. It's one thing to spunk all the money in your account at the time, it's another actively depositing and spunking other people's money but it's a whole different ball game if any part of it was premeditated. I actually doubt it was in this case but if I would defo want to see proof and if it couldn't be provided I would want to know why not. I can see no reason why this shouldn't be provided to stakers via PM or whatever.

He said in the other thread that he could show deposits, but didn't see no reason why he had to go from HH.

Tom being confirmed "under it" just makes this...... Well ?????

sorting out via pm with those who want me to pay the debt.

#karmabeforescoop

Quit hash tagging .... gets you into trouble    :)

i remember last time you hashtagged....

this. In a sick way i wish i had bought a piece now.

The Only people flaming Tom are people with no money invested in this. By the sounds of it he's taking the right steps to sort this out with investors so I see no point to play this out for everybody to see.

The people who actually matter are the stakers, so the people just eager to see personal drama being played out on a public forum do not. My advice to you would be not to invest in Tom in the future if he decides to ever sell again.

Gl Tom do the right thing and you can get your life back on track without losing any friends over one night of madness

Liam

Agree with this.

Stakers are happy for it to be handled privately, once it has come out in the open. Everyone wanting it handled in public from here on out just seems to be wanting to see a drama/scandal unfold and I am yet to read a valid reason why it should play out in public.

Tom has done the right thing so far and I have the screenshots via email, which I can show to all investors if they require. ftr i havent actually looked at them yet lol, no idea what they say :D

I can assure you I couldn't give a shit about any drama or scandal so it's definitely not everyone.

I just happen to think that when something starts publicly it should finish that way as well. I've staked Tom in the past and possibly would again if he sorts this out. If everything happens privately then I'll think there's something to hide and won't even think about it.

There was nothing private when Tom was asking for staking and there wouldn't have been anything private if everything went okay. If it becomes private now it's gone tits up it'll just make me wonder what he's got to hide and therefore make me remove him from any potential future list of those I trust.

Fwiw I've always had Tom down as one of the good guys and think he'll come through this okay in the end. I certainly hope so anyway.

Good luck sorting it Tom.

Well the stakers flaming him would be poor practice while they are still owed money

You don't know what he has pm'd them and what steps he is taking to sort this all out. I have spoke to a couple of investors and they are just genuinely gutted for Tom the person, not just an investment gone wrong. Anyway I've said my 2 pence worth.

If all the private details were sorted in private and 6 months from now, all investors posted itt saying

"I've been paid back, it's all been handled well since the cock-up and we can now move forward and put this behind us"

Would that not suffice?

Why does anyone who's not invested need to know the specifics like who's getting paid first, what chunks, how often, what job he's got, how much he gets paid etc. It just invites flaming from people like xx, yy like itt already.

I just don't understand the "it started publicly, it should finish publicly" notion. Seems like nonsense. Why should it?

tbf theres others where it was agreed to take it "off forum" and have still not settled their debts, so i guess i do see the point.

Tom has pm me and I'm very happy how this was sorted


Just annoyed ppl in the thread sticking their noses in

I have PMd Tom and replied to his two mails basically advising what the wise psoters have said here; update the thread periodically when a material payment or event happens only in the spirit of a community staking forum - that should keep those who want updates as "regular stakers" as appropriately happy; other wise PM stakers and be transparent.  

 I've also advised him that nature of the beast his such he will get some public comments and there is nothing he can do to avoid this - only continue to communicate in the way he has started today and I am sure he knows that.

Currently consodering timing of my Vegas proposal ;)

To be honest mate if I never hear another word about it it won't bother me in the slightest. All I'm saying is that from my point of view if I get to see a few updates I'll see that there's still potential for Tom in the future.

I'm not asking for full details just the odd update. "Have started paying back investors". "Have come to an agreement with backers". "Have got a job". "Am keeping everyone updated via PM"

Just general stuff like that will show me that if it happens again and I'm involved then at least I've not completely done my money as he clearly wants to pay people back when he makes a mistake.

If he keeps everything hidden then I'll know nothing about it so won't ever back him in the future.

It's no skin off my nose whatsoever but as a potential investor it's just something I'd like to see.

I know it's going to be difficult for Tom sorting this but it will show real character if he manages to.

Not many manage to sort these things and come out with their rep intact. Those who do have invariably not hidden away from anything.

A perfect example is Marc Wright who got staked, had a blow up and grafted hard to pay people back. Everything was out in the open and because of this he can still easily sell out any package he puts on here within minutes. You think that would be the case if when anybody quizzed him he just said "sorted it via PM, none of your business"?

Just my two cents worth. As I said it won't affect my life either way.

Hate to say but MANTIS is kind of right here, Tom is getting an easier ride here because he has gd personal relationships with some big characters - tbh I actually think this is OK to a certain extent that someone who gives a lot to the community should be offered a bit more leniency when they fuck up, speshly for the first time.

HOWEVER.

In the interest of protecting the integrity of blonde forum + the staking board I think this situation SHOULD be dealt with openly, and very firmly. The full truth of the story needs to be disclosed, you should declare the amount you owe, and outline your plan to repay. Once it's been established that you've been totally honest, and that you are honouring your commitment to rectify the situation then, imo, people would happily forgive you.

SO, Tom send the full logs of the play and cashier history from the day and the week either side of the blow-up, have someone verify that your story is legit and move from there.

If there is any bending of the truth or mis-directions in your original post then admit now or it will come out and it will look very bad on you. This isn't the end of the world but it could be.

Good post and definitely what should happen.

Sorry folks, prom night is cancelled.

Investors have all the info over PMs.

Can somebody forward pm on btw.

Tbh, I don't understand why there is so much hate towards it being out in the open, and general put downs to certain ppl that have posted, that didn't buy, but are not sugar coating it up?

This incident has no relevance to my life whatsoever, I hope each and every one of you get paid back as quickly as possible, and I genuinely hope Tom can recover from this, as he is a good mtt player.

But this is just my opinion, and I believe this is an open forum and every one that is allowed to post can post within reason, their opinions on the matter.

I agree certain posts could be put better, but take Evilpie, and Lil'dave, they are saying near enough the same thing Mantis and Aaron are saying, yet no one is belittling them and calling them general busy bodies for stating their opinions.

If every one agreed with every one's opinions the world would have zero problems, and life would become boring and tiresome. I think every single person who has posted in this post has asked for Tom to comment on certain things within this thread, and he has yet to respond to any of it, hence the repetitive cycle that is being written.

I do think that in times like this, all forum members should put their childish differences aside and come together as a community.

Lil'Dave has it spot on imo, and I think he has been very fair on everything he has contributed to this thread.

Makes sense to argue with those furtherest from your opinion Dreenie, plus I'd already given Lildave my opinion.

Right, After speaking to Lil'D in private (me going to him not vice versa) I am posting this to be completely out in the open.

Yes I am under it, but this doesn't effect what has happened. SCOOP was a shot yes, but one worth taking imo. To say this was premeditated is just plain wrong. I value blonde and the community alot, I post here daily and speak to people from here off forum daily.

The only misdirection in my original post was that this was done over 2 days, on Thursday 2nd May when I went to see my father and tilted off $2.5k of investors/backers money in inexcusable fashion, the following day I paniced still not in control of my emotions in any way shape or form maybe in a worse state infact human nature and lost the other $2k, I also lost 500 on blackjack. I fucked up I cannot change that and the damage is done. I am taking responsibility for my actions, I'm not bothered about my reputation at the minute all I'm worried about is making sure the people who trusted me with their money as investors is get their money back. Which I have sent them PM's hopefully reassuring them this will happen. I know I will do the right thing, I cant put right the past all I can do is repair the wounds make sure I conduct myself in the neccessary way going forward and hope they heal in time.

I owe blonde poker as a community $3.5k~ all investors know the score and I will keep them all updated via PM's.

I am so sorry to every involved in this and will continue to keep in contact with you all on a regular basis with updates and I will get through this.

Here is the audit for the 2 days http://www7.pokerstars.com/reports/PV8GMFMI20130507215044.zip the password is blonde1, Im on phone internet at the minute and for some reason ftp cashier doesnt like phone internet so cant audit the $1500 off there at this time but I will do tomorrow.

My backers are doing their best to try and help me sort all this out by offering me this deal :

[01:48:26] Alex Carr: We'd like to propose the following:

We stake you for up through $33 freezeouts and $11 rebuys -- 700 games minimum per month.  You pay back us and makeup first, then we'll continue this agreement with your 52.5% cut going to others you owe money.  We will send you $1200/mo for expenses, which will be doubled and added to makeup each month.

Zero cash, zero playing off stake, weekly audits.

We feel this is the best resolution in terms of getting everyone paid back.  Once repayment of everyone is complete, we'll reevaluate things.

Let us know your thoughts.

This is obviously an unbelievable deal for me and one I don't deserve. They have said they will happily confirm that this was offered and anyone is free to add them on skype for references or w/e.

I will continue to job search to help make the repayments quicker and will keep everyone involved updated with my progress

I will continue to stay off forum (only contact investors via PMs) and not post until this is sorted and I won't sell any action in the staking thread in the future as I feel it will may insult/offend some people.

Perfect, sounds exactly like a solid plan to repay all involved and in swift time.

Best get grinding mate.... :)

I'll be the first one taking pieces on your next stake mate, but want a webcam to watch the grind next time! ;)

Two points

1) these issues are rare and pretty much always a shock, but a public debate and resolution helps the wider community to learn how to avoid or resolve such issues in future.

2) Tom, if you dig yourself out of this via the deal your backers have proposed why would you deny potential stakers on Blonde the opportunity to back you in future?

Good luck fella, you're one of the few young uns that seems to have a personality.

That's the difference though - "near enough the same thing" - it's the tone of their posts, rather than the actual things they are saying. They are saying sensible things yes, along the lines of what Matt and Dave are saying, but there is a malicious undertone to them, with snide digs and underhand remarks to make those points, which is why people are taking exception to it, and quite rightly so in my opinion.

Also, both Matt and Dave use the staking boards very regularly, and contribute very positively across the forum, whereas Mantis has never used the boards (at least not in the last few years to my knowledge) and Aaron very rarely does - and both have a reputation for stirring up arguments for the sake of it - so you can see why it looks to some people like they are just "blowing smoke" and here to kick Tom while he's down and stir up more trouble.

@Tom, your backers have offered you a seemingly amazingly generous deal there. Am I right in thinking that this deal gets them all their money back, plus the makeup you already have with them (neither amount has been disclosed yet afaik? Think it definitely should be, in private or public, up to you) PLUS $2400/month expenses by definition and only once that is cleared will you get some money for yourself / pay backers back? Have I understood this right? I wouldn't be surprised if they snap drop you once you're out of it for them by the way, and this could take many months though anyway...

Still, good progress, a way out for you and backers, and at least you have a decent chunk for life expenses too.

Yikes, imagine the uproar if a "young un" said the same about an "old un"

Yeah pretty unnecessary dig. A lot of young guys that give a lot to this forum and have great personalities. Ok we aren't all Mr Interesting like you Mr3103

Yes you have understood correctly. Which is why i said i would continue to search for a job for another income to speed up this whole process, we both know how ridiculous mtt variance is and although this deal is amazing as i have said i'm not resting on my laurels and will still do as much as i can outside poker.

As to whether they drop me or not, I have been with them a while and feel as though i know them quite well. I personally don't think they will drop me. If they do however then so be it, even more reason  for me to keep looking for work outside of grinding this out. I dont want to disclose makeup amounts in an open forum ofc but will happily inform investors of the situation and update them regularly as i have said.

Scoop got to be quickest way out imo

;bumwiggle;

Good to see one of the old uns sticking up for the young uns.

Solid action plan ftw. Much better than posting about emotional domestic problems and the pain inside. That stuff always seems to accompany a busto confession, or some dude in a cap crying into the camera. It’s all bollocks really, people want to see actions not words. It’s ok to make a mistake. How you react is the measure of who you are and the character you have. I would want to openly show people who I am and how I atone for my errors. That’s why people suggesting doing the deed and confession in public but the redemption in private are wrong, that is the best part for you. Anyway gl.

More generally it surprises me how relaxed people are about this sort of thing these days. This thread reads like op just got nominated for the advent calendar, with all good luck wishes and kind gestures. I took more stick from mods and members itt than op. Do people really want a community where nobody gives a fuck about such conduct and never speaks up if they aren’t directly involved? Anyway sorry I wasn't polite enough and had the wrong tone, sometimes the pain inside makes me lash out.

Perhaps people are right and this thread should be locked, deleted and put with the others. I mean there’s nothing more unsightly than an untrimmed ladygarden.

Btw I hate that Dave has to always say he hates having to agree with me.

Gl Tom . I know u can do this .

As much as that is a joke, if Tom is playing any of the staked scoop events for his backers we have potential for another scandal

Probably worth Tom putting a very clear statement on here re the above

Things always seem "obvious" until they are disputed

Ha, I find myself agreeing with you quite a bit, I have to put that clause in to try hold my credibility :D

Don't want the world to find out I'm a secret Mantis fanboy :P

Only SCOOP's ill be playing will be within these guidelines

Also @cambridgealex there isn't any malicious intent from me towards this individual. I am a longstanding blonde member and poker player so voiced disapproval of this sort of conduct as I prob would with anybody. I don't think my intention was to kick this kid while he is down. Kinda low opinion and conclusions of my intent really.

Nobody is approving of what happened at all, you completely mocked his confession thread and did it again 2 posts ago. Completely unnecessary and out of order IMO. Do you go to funerals and laugh at all the people crying?

After he posted the confession he was on Tips for Tikay for chats about punting and was chilling around the forum as normal.

I also mock Luis Suarez when he dives in the box.

Less of the "we"

You are too old to be considered a young gun Mr Greek Stein.

Oh Alex, any opportunity to attack and get your clique to come along eh?

I was merely staring the same as others who think this should have been dealt with openly for transparency. As for saying "but they don't use the staking section" - not sure what you're getting at? Regardless of whether I do or don't, it's still in the best interests of this forum to see this sorted openly for future reference and transactions. I think it's about time you looked at the wider picture.

As for saying there was "a malicious under tone", that was again completely out of order from you.

What happens when something like this happens again and we wonder how that should be dealt?

Anyway, fantastic deal for Tom. Some generous people out there & people support you, hope this works out for everyone.

For morale what is the cutoff age in this business to be considered young?

Quite Incredible Writing   :)

Ooooo 22?

25 surely?

23 at a push

Are you not as young as the person Jimmy Saville/Stuart Hall/Gary Glitter/Ken Barlow/Jimmy Tarbuck /Kevin Webster/JimDavidson /Rolf Harris/Freddie Star/Max Clifford........  is feeling ?

I am still a young gun, I judge it by how often and hard you can party

you weren't a young gun when you were young.

It's like an episode of vicous this.... :D

when I was 16 I was a hired young gun

30 is the border

Everyone knows that.

As long as I can still pull birds who scrape in to the young bracket you can call me a dinosaur for all I care.

thin

They just have to be young, young & thin is pushing it abit

Yes. It goes without saying that they have to be thin as well as young.

Excellent gag

At the risk of slightly derailing the thread 30 & thin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20 & fat.

Shallow I know but I can't help who I am.

I was being serious. Yours was the obvious gag when you said they only had to be young.

Meh fat birds try harder  ;)

I only had one rule at uni.

1) thin

Didn't really stick to it

I have a friend whose entire going out reptoir involved setting myself and our other friends up by insta-grabbing the fat/ ugly/ not no1 girl and he swore by them not only trying harder, but being 'hungrier' and even a little naughtier...

Nothing worse than taking a girl home who looks like a model then says "oh I dont do that..."
luckily I always found it tough to understand through the gag but just in case.

He wasn't the tallest himself about 5ft5 or something, but one Xmas he found, captured, and rode a girl who looked like Hagrid up to his mothers bedroom in her house with all family, friends and relations hearing her over the music.

[ ] he was sure on top
[X] smiled for all of January


:)

Well.

Thank you for sharing.

Lovely.

+1

great story!

I've only just joined this thread on this page, haven't read the rest of it, have we staked someone to pull a fat bird or someink?

i can do that in my sleep

just look at my facebook pics thin or fat old or young who cares?

What's the markup?

I would need a markup of 1.8. Everyone else is doing it so why the hell not  :D

Good luck in getting back on track tom

Take it there's no further update,unless done via pm?

I have been keeping in contact with everyone via pm yes. As of yet no money has been repaid (ba $50 to toddswain) because I don't have anything to give them, I'm trying everyday to put this right as soon as possible though, and I think/hope they realise that.

For full clarity I've been fully paid back myself now

+1.

That's good - would have been nice to hear that from Tom and understand payment schedules

Sorry Shaun I thought I had told people the order etc via PM but maybe I didn't. Basically just trying to do it as fair as possible and do it in the order they booked/I received the funds.

So far the following people have been paid :

Toddswain
titbean
sharky_uk

I have messaged both red and Ryan to get bank details from them so I can send their repayments aswell. This will be all the funds I have to send at the minute, I believe you will be the next one to be repaid when possible.

Glad you are making headway in paying back but I didn't realise there was an "order" in which you are repaying people - I guess I am near the bottom?

There isn't really an order as such I'm just doing it the fairest way possible imo. As I won't be able to pay everyone back at once there has to be some sort of system so chronologically from when the action was booked/payed for seemed like the most logical solution, some people have to be before others etc. If people have a problem with the way I'm handling this then please let me know and we can come to some sort of agreement/comprimise?

Thanks Tom, didn't mean that to sound blunt - it's good news so would have been good to know.

Hope you're getting sorted and pleased your able to start sorting - and no worries where I am on list.

Take care

Thin, Shaun, very thin.

Just to confirm that a few days ago Tom PMd asking for my bank details and paid within the hour of me sending him them.  GL Tom and I'm sure he will repay the other guys on the list as soon as is possible.

I got paid back in full today.

Hi Everyone,

Today I finished the repayment process for investors (ba bulldozerD who I am just waiting on bank details for but I have the funds ready to send) Its been a tough few months but nothing I haven't deserved, finding a job even part time was a complete waste of time in my small town so I put all my efforts into grinding it back through poker. This whole situation definitely sparked something inside me and I have grinded really hard the last few months think I have grinded 75/85 days or something and played ~3000 games. For full clarity here is a graph of my results since May 8th:

(http://oi42.tinypic.com/30aum8i.jpg)

I was in roughly 12k makeup with my backers so I had to clear that before I could make any inroads into my debt they were kind enough to adjust my deal and I can't really thank them enough for this to include living expenses of $1200 per month this was cashed out and doubled back onto makeup on the 8th of each month whenever I cleared makeup I would use the cashout money to repay someone/as much as I could of course.

But yea, I just wana say how truly sorry I am to everyone involved and to blonde in general I'm sure anyone who has ever met me from blonde will back me up when I say this was a total freak event and totally out of character. I know some people will hold grudges/think badly of me for however long/indefinitely, I accept that but I hope there isn't hard feelings with everyone and I can sorta move on from this whole situation.

Tom.

Recieved.  WP, congrats on working hard to resolve this, theres many others out there who wouldn't have bothered. 

This, congrats on the run good and nice effort in paying it back so soon, well done.

Just in time for a wcoop and ftops package!

Sick grinding tekkers!

Not sure if pleno is joking but IMO you should put up a staking deal up if your original one was dropped (that you posted the graph to).

Got the PM this morning so sent my bank details.
Cheers Tom

Just because he has eventually paid the money back doesn't mean he should be putting stake threads up again anytime soon.

But fair play to getting out of it

Pretty sure that people can decide for themselves if they want to buy or not.  There is no doubt that TL has to be one of the best investments available on Blonde and ITT he has proven then even when the whole thing went tits up and looked unsalvagable, he managed to grind hard and still return the investors their money.  As an investor, I would have a  lot of confidence in TL knowing that even after a situation as extreme as this one, he will still do the right thing and return the money.

Well done Tom. Handled it very well

Look what happened?  He made a mistake in pretty extreme extreme circumstances and then worked his bollocks off to make it right.

(http://i.qkme.me/3vdhlw.jpg)

wd mate

You've shown an awful lot of integrity with this Tom. Massive respect, your backers are lucky guys. I really hope you have a huge score soon. All the best

Whilst TL had to grind hard I really don't think investors quite know how hard. Hopefully the graph gives you some idea. TL was grinding the 22 Deepstack on stars yesterday. Absolute sicko with some monster volume. Take a day off!

(http://gifs.gifbin.com/1235047774_champagne.gif)

Is that a vouch?

FWIW if there is a WCOOP package then I'd like to lock up a piece Tom.

TY

@Dan, my backers havent dropped me (touch wood) so there wont be any staking threads like that going up anytime soon i hope.

@Ryan There wont be any package for FTOPS/WCOOP, I don't have any money myself at the minute to put into it and even if i did I wouldn't put one up because I think it would be kinda rude/awkward and I wouldnt wana piss anyone else off just after ive turned a corner, but thankyou for your faith/interest.

fwiw bulldozerD recieved his payment earlier this afternoon I'm sure he can confirm itt if needs be.

@everyone thankyou for the well wishes

Yeah I got the payment cheers