SCOOP 2013

[cambridgealex]

Wow. I really am shocked at this.

Tom is a friend so id rather speak to him privately but I wanna say on here for the record that I would've "vouched" for Tom the same way pleno did. Without knowing what "vouch" could actually mean to some people.

He is a friend, he's stayed my house, we chat quite a bit over skype/fb/twitter, we've had numerous financial dealings over the past, I gave him £1k to play in a soft 5/5 DC game at Dtd as little as 2weeks ago. I knew he was under it, thats pretty obvious to anyone though seeing as he's selling 75% at mu for a package. But he's a REALLY good player and I had a lot of faith in him.

So much so that when I had a staking stable, he was the next guy I wanted, and tried to "sign" him a few times but timings never really worked (I didn't have enough £ to take him on when he was free, then when I did he had found another backer etc) but he was top of my list for a many months.

Clearly something has gone massively wrong here.

What Tom said his step dad said seems unforgivable and could get me angrier than just about anything. But how you go from that to depositing all the money people had wired to you, and spewing it off in a few hours is a step I just can't ever imagine taking. Something doesn't add up here.

Either way, it's a terrible thing to do and Tom knows that and I hope he makes it right.

Where we go from here- I agree with others- TOTAL transparency. I think screenshots of deposit history and withdrawal history for last 30 days, maybe giving someone your pw so they can look at what's happened. Full list of who you owe (inc backers) a plan about payback (who's getting paid first, how regular instalments are etc)and regular updates about progress etc.

Don't hide or run away, you can make this right.

[TightEnd]

@ mantis.

You think tom should be banned?

How would that help people get their money back?

As fat as I know, no one has been banned for griimming on blonde.

Not sure really, just trying to work out who the villains are.

Maybe the guy posting about knocking in the money and then jumping on the tikay betting thread to chat about bets and rolling around the forum as normal is questionable, but suppose it's your job to decide. Just seems saying bad things is a greater offence than actually doing bad things around here. I am surprised that stealing money from a group of fellow blonde members has never been a banning offence though, not even restriction of the staking priviledge. But if you say Thatcher was ok or somebody's mark-up is too high mods run around with their skirts in the air. What's all that about?

As it seems you will keep tweaking the tail until you get bored

The suggestion that Langley be banned makes no sense. At present, blonde is the only channel via which creditors can converse with him, so it would be counter-productive to ban him at the moment.

Once he pays everyone back, assuming he does, we COULD ban him, but if he paid everyone back, there would be no need really, as this appears not a "grim" as such, he just got out of control.

For now, he is Banned from any future Staking requests becuase the Staking board self-polices. Tom knows he can't ask for staking, as do others who have let down their stakers publically.

The mods see no reason to take any further action against him at this point in time.

At least he has been on the thread & fessed up.

There were at least two cases last year where similar things occurred (staking funds disappeared) & the stakee tried to keep it quiet, & messed stakers about. Both paid up eventually, but kept the situation off-Forum. Neither people used the staking boards until the situation was resolved

I think the Langley route of addressing the issue publically is infinitely better. 

Can I ask you now to stop constantly dissing the mods please? Extremely tiresome to have to constantly read it. I know you disagree on some issues. We get it, we've read it 37 times in the last fortnight

thank you

[DMorgan]

Tom,

I think you need send a concise PM to all investors as to what happened with all of the gory details, what happened with the bank money, exactly what you played and where all the money went to clear the air and close the book on speculation as to what money went where and to address possible self restriction from whatever you spewed off at, higher limits etc.

That would go a long way to drawing a line under what happened. It'll be pretty shitty digging it all up but investors have a right to full disclosure. Once that's done we can draw a line under the incident itself and focus on what you're going to do to get everyone paid. I definitely agree that keeping away from posting openly on the forum is a good idea until this mess is sorted, it only serves to feed the vultures.

You're a good player and a valuable member of the community. People are willing to forgive and forget as long as you let them, so taking proactive steps to repair relations with your investors is by far your best play here imo. Pay no attention to those wishing to hijack the situation for their own ends. What is important is repairing your relationship with the community and that starts right now, so be sure not to go silent on us.

I'd suggest that all investors wishing to contact Tom do so via PM and this thread be left for significant updates and repayment information.

I agree with pleno that you're one of the good guys that just landed in a shitty situation and handled it badly. It doesn't have to be the end of the world or of your poker career if you handle it well. I hope you can get your head back in the game as soon as possible and this will be a distant memory for all of us eventually. You have my Skype if you wanna discuss anything that's been said.

Gl

[nirvana]

@ mantis.

You think tom should be banned?

How would that help people get their money back?

As fat as I know, no one has been banned for griimming on blonde.

Not sure really, just trying to work out who the villains are.

Maybe the guy posting about knocking in the money and then jumping on the tikay betting thread to chat about bets and rolling around the forum as normal is questionable, but suppose it's your job to decide. Just seems saying bad things is a greater offence than actually doing bad things around here. I am surprised that stealing money from a group of fellow blonde members has never been a banning offence though, not even restriction of the staking priviledge. But if you say Thatcher was ok or somebody's mark-up is too high mods run around with their skirts in the air. What's all that about?

Skirts up, ladygardens out

[MANTIS01]

Can I ask you now to stop constantly dissing the mods please? Extremely tiresome to have to constantly read it. I know you disagree on some issues. We get it, we've read it 37 times in the last fortnight

In the last fortnight I've made 25 posts on a range of subjects and only mentioned modding a couple of times here itt. Why exaggerate so?

I think you deciding a member "just got out of control" from his say so alone without being presented with any facts is a worry.

I mention it cos one of my favourite members has been banned for life. You seem to lose patience very quickly with some members yet are saying here op didn't grim and his behaviour is infinitely better than some, quite a defensive stance really. Yet you highlight my behaviour as being extremely tiresome. Personally I think op's behaviour is shameful. But pls keep your narky comments coming my way TightEnd.

[TightEnd]

Can I ask you now to stop constantly dissing the mods please? Extremely tiresome to have to constantly read it. I know you disagree on some issues. We get it, we've read it 37 times in the last fortnight

In the last fortnight I've made 25 posts on a range of subjects and only mentioned modding a couple of times here itt. Why exaggerate so?

I think you deciding a member "just got out of control" from his say so alone without being presented with any facts is a worry.

I mention it cos one of my favourite members has been banned for life. You seem to lose patience very quickly with some members yet are saying here op didn't grim and his behaviour is infinitely better than some, quite a defensive stance really. Yet you highlight my behaviour as being extremely tiresome. Personally I think op's behaviour is shameful. But pls keep your narky comments coming my way TightEnd.

If the facts presented in this thread change then our position may change

As to "losing patience very quickly" with some members I presented the facts about one of your "favourite members" and the attempts over a long period of time that the mods had made to avoid a ban on the "smashedagain" thread, which I note you did not respond to. I had thus assumed your point had been put to bed.


Its no wonder I get narky with you Mantis, really.

[action man]

patrick, sorry if my post seemed like i was attacking you personally, it wasnt written out with that purpose at all. It was just how the word 'vouch' has evolved in poker over the last 20 years, to now mean somthing really flippant when years ago it was a bond.

[action man]

as a sidenote, i used to have huge arguments with parents when i was under their roof at like 17-18 years old and got into an actual fight with my dad once, not once during these rows did the thought of playing poker cross my mind, i just rung mates up to go to the pub or id just go somewhere alone.

[pleno1]

patrick, sorry if my post seemed like i was attacking you personally, it wasnt written out with that purpose at all. It was just how the word 'vouch' has evolved in poker over the last 20 years, to now mean somthing really flippant when years ago it was a bond.

No obv you're right mate I wouldn't just take the 5k risk or wte it was just because I was angry at a list. I was wrong and happy to pay for the actions and confident in tom that he will repay at a later date.

I added you on Skype to bet on scoop not argue about this

[action man]

patrick, sorry if my post seemed like i was attacking you personally, it wasnt written out with that purpose at all. It was just how the word 'vouch' has evolved in poker over the last 20 years, to now mean somthing really flippant when years ago it was a bond.

No obv you're right mate I wouldn't just take the 5k risk or wte it was just because I was angry at a list. I was wrong and happy to pay for the actions and confident in tom that he will repay at a later date.

I added you on Skype to bet on scoop not argue about this

you wanna lose some more money?

[pleno1]

Haha project #recoverthelosses

[cambridgealex]

Haha project #recoverthelosses

Careful with those hashtags met

[The Camel]

Sigh, all I wanted if for people to be more careful with the their vouches/references, because people definitely do take notice of them - especially about players they don't know.

It wasn't a personal attack on Patrick, just happened that this thread highlighted the problem.

#nothingpersonal #justgoodbusiness

[aaron1867]

There seems to be a pattern emerging here & I am not sue if people are seeing it or do not want to say it to sound harsh, I won't say it, because it's nothing to do with me, but look through the whole thread.

As for Mantis, can see the point on Jason, Tom has stolen from the community and all Jason has done is have a different opinion, could discuss it all day.

But the most important thing here is that Tom works out a plan for backers & I hope it all works out well

[pleno1]

There seems to be a pattern emerging here & I am not sue if people are seeing it or do not want to say it to sound harsh, I won't say it, because it's nothing to do with me, but look through the whole thread.

As for Mantis, can see the point on Jason, Tom has stolen from the community and all Jason has done is have a different opinion, could discuss it all day.

But the most important thing here is that Tom works out a plan for backers & I hope it all works out well

Just say what you mean it is a lot easier than us trying to read cryptic messages