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Hello,

I've not posted too much here which I'm really annoyed about. There are some great players posting on these forums and I am not making the most of the UK Poker talent around me.

I'm 21. I've been playing poker since I was about 15 (illegally on PKR) and am now a decent player I think. Whenever I play live I do really well and yet I can't seem to crack online poker. I always seems to break even.

I recently invested in PokerTracker 4 but I have yet to really feel the benefits of it.

I have around 3K hands in cash and 3K in tournaments online. I was looking for someone to go through some with me (perhaps in exchange for my action) and to help me improve my game.

Apologies if this is not the correct area of the forums for this kind of post, I request to be relocated to the correct section if necessary.

I look forward to hearing your replies.

p.s. Please see below graph for 3K cash games at between 10NL - 100NL (I'm not great at deciphering this but I think I'm too aggro based on my showdown and non-showdown winning, But I would like a lot more in depth discussion about this)


Regards,
Ash

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Hi Ash, i'm not anywhere near fit enough to comment on graphs or even say i'm talented at the game. but i can say winning at poker is a full on ultra grind and to beat the game consistently you have to be able to have a very educated guess on your opponents cards.

the best and quickest way i think to improve your game or see the game a lot more in depth is to read a couple books on how to beat SS-MSNL

I have no idea if this is true but if this graph is 6max PKR cash i think your blue line could be you due to the fact you are trying to get people to fold weak made hands OTR which will never happen on this site if they perceive you to be aggressive pre and post flop, crushing small stakes doesn't need software, you just have to play solid and build a roll V slowly

Graph is irrelevant. Go play another 50+k hands and then post again.

He's come here for help Patrick, please don't come across as utterly dismissive? (I realise your statement is true, lets at least explain to him why.) Point him towards the OR in your diary maybe for people who teach?

We're all here to help and learn.

I'm sorry op, but Nathan is here now an absolute expert of playing the 33 after 2 all ins, I'm here for the ride and to hopefully gain so,e invaluable knowledge from this absolute hero of the game.

That hole looks mighty fine, would you like a bigger spade?

C'mon Patrick, you can offer more than that surely? Or do players have to play (and probs lose tonnes) 50k hands before advice is valid? Or put another way, with good advice, could his next 47k of hands have better results?

This

I have no idea why Pleno has this attitude to a new poster?

Flash92, please stick around. Plenty of people will try to help if they can

Sorry.

The irony is Pleno is one of the best players on the forum, so his contributions when constructive are very much worth listening to.

Stick around, Mr Flash.

Subscribed.

2 confirmed grief tourists ITT!

To me this seems like a culmination of months of posts like this. Patrick, ur obv a very high level thinker and alot of ur posts (the majority even) are both informative and intelligent, but i think ur posts have (maybe without realizing it) become blunt and somewhat rude recently. This may seem a little rich coming from someone like me who has definitely been guilty of arrogance and ive been hugely obnoxious and rude in the past also, but im sure your not meaning your posts to come across this way.
At least 10 people have mentioned to me recently that they have similar opinions; those being that the poker hand analysis on blonde is now dominated by what you think and also has become a really uncomfortable place for people to post through fear of a public bashing by you and a couple of others.
The case in question for example,  a guy posts for the first time, is a small stakes player who is looking for some advice on moving forward. We were ALL in this situation, or similar once and you posting "graph is irrelevant, play 50k hands and post again" is swaying from constructive criticism and bordering on plain rude IMO.
More and more people are afraid to post on the PHA now which is totally wrong. So many posts now start with "im not qualified to post here really", or similar which i think isnt what a forum like blonde should be about. People from all ability levels posting is refreshing and good for the progression of the game.
Ive spoken to you off forum and i know your not a bad guy obv, so please don't take this in the wrong way, but i felt this post was honest.
FWIW, some of ur posts are very good and your def one of the best frequent posters on blonde, you've come along way from asking me for backing for $26 comps on ftp back in 2009 :-)
gl

Marc is spot on. Post was way ool imo.

Lol


Offered op nothing.


Offered op nothing


Offered op nothing



2 posts. Zilch.




Gave the advice whilst waiting to pay at a till with an angry Hungarian shop keeper trying to hurry me up. Didn't have the time for hello, welcome and good bye unfortunately but told him his graph was irrelevant and the advice is to play 50k hands and then post again, where probably nobody who posted itt will help but ill actually spend a bunch of time and actually help.


Op, as you got 12 replies and none of them were actually helping you just a couple of the usual trolls I've now got time (on the toilet, my most useful time!) il explain why.

Posting profit line - generally this would mean nothing anyway, it's not going to be a way of signifying leaks or identifying anything wrong with your game

Non showdown and showdown lines - generally these don't matter anyway, I for example had a 300k spell when my red line was good and blue line bad and for e last 150k hands it changes. With the greatest respect a lot f see things are incredibly hard to comprehend and I'm still trying to work them out but reasons why they might change

Introducing a check call range as pfr, more times now in 2013 we may check call ather than cbetting top pair meaning that our green line will be better but our red line will be bad. We no longer Cbet and win on the flop.

Basically it don't matter at all if your red line or blue line is bad as lo as your green line is positive. What's probably most Important is tryingto get a specific win rate.

Negative winrate - this would mean that you are a losing player and thus a problem
1bb winrate - winning in the games but probably significant problems and leaks that need identifying
3bb winrate - very good, probably one of the better regs in your game
5bb winrate - one of if not the best reg in your games
7bbwinrate - playing too low and negatively effecting your potential hourly

Sample sizes - 3000 hands is literally less,than a day of grinding. You could be break even for 2000 hands, 1bb winner for 2300, at 2500 3bb, at 2700 5bb winner and 7bb by the end of he session. This doesn't mean you were good, bad, terrible and amazing in the session it's just plain variance. Sample sizes of perhaps 200k,hands would,be good but 50k plus I could perhaps spot some glaring leaks.

What is a graph? Posting a graph as I said earlier would mean nothing as it doesn't show anything specific. I'd suggest going to filter a report and doing it by position so we can see your positional stats. For example you could be opening 17% utg and I'd tell you it's an instant leak. You could be opening 35% when folded to on the button and I could tell you a leak. You can filter for as many stats as you like so I could probably find a lot of different things.



Many iofthe guys in the thread have vendettas for different reasons, I contribute a lot to the board generally because when I first came it was a great learning too for myself and I'm just trying to give back but after. When I first signed up I remember going to flushys posts and trying to reword them so I could sound like I was good at poker!

I think the fact that there has been 12 posts and not one person giving you good advice and wanting to,subscribe in the hope of an argument or apologies for me being rude but not actually wanting to help you either speaks wonders.

I don't have much time any,ore I'm trying to fit things into a very solid timescale and if I'm blunt then that is very sad I try to do as much quality and quantity on the pha board but if I'm putting dozens of people off from posting then that is incredibly sad to hear. Maybe Marc could post who those guys are or better pm me and I, apologize.

Ill make a retirement from pha for now and most likely come out of it in 3 days haha but op feel free to pm me and il give you 500 dollars worth of free coaching and help you out as much as I can.

Hi Mate,

Ty for posting, and brave for putting graphs up, i'd be too scared to post mine :P

Unfortunately, as has been hinted at subtly by patrick, graph for cash games with 3,000 hands is effectively worthless - 3,000 hands is such a small amount that so many things could corrupt the results its almost impossible to glean anything particularly useful/constructive from it - however it's not a complete blank piece of paper and there are a few observations that I have (although take them as educated guesses over anything solid)

1) very solid upward redline (non-SD winnings) with kinda erratic downward blueline (SD winnings) this prolly indicates you're bluffing/barrelling off too much, or stacking off a bit too light in certain spots - whereas a positive non-showdown line is always a good thing in NLHE, the way the blueline goes is prolly pointing towards a leak somewhere (again this is where the 3,000 point comes back - could just be you've had KK into AA/top2 into sets etc and running bad at showdowns) something to consider anyways.

2) I notice there are some big downward bits in your winnings, followed by slow upwards, this is pretty good (again small sample) but that's one thing I always look at in people's graphs, you'll be amazed how many people lose a big all-in then dribble off aggressively for a bit, looks like you don't do that which is good.

I think you should keep this thread going, post every 5-10k hands or something and hopefully people will post their opinions as you do it and we can see how it pans out. Should be fun.

Another thing to do, as you play more hands look at the stats you collect on yourself, VPip/Pfr/3b Pfr by position etc and then compare them to other players you play and see if anything sticks out massively, I think next time you should post that set of stats here as if you have a 10,000 hand sample and that information we should be able to offer some good feedback between us.

Another thing to do is filter your result by position (SB/BB/Ep/MP/CO/BTN) and then see anything jumps out at you there as well - the graphs are pretty enough but its these statistics that will give you the better information when you're hunting for leaks.

Hope this helps :)up

sigh, too late.

gd post patrick.

Boom.

Great gesture and an excellent answer, Pleno. The point is you are capable of answers like that one and significantly less great answers like the first one. I don't have that range. At least in PHA stuff.

The reaction wasn't a surprise but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. What I hope comes from this is that Mr Flash is still eager to improve and that this thread has helped him. If it has, it will be because of your second post and not your first. I think that's it, really.

Peace and love

I wasn't trolling at all Patrick. Your first post was extremely rude. Your last post, once you got past the unneccesary digs at everyone that thought you were OOL and said so, was helpful

 3c 3d tho

 :-*

"Extremely rude"
"Helpful"

Why not

"Rude"
"Extremely,helpful"

Would you say that it was more rude than it was helpful or are you just an intelligent guy who can write very sneakily well? I'm trained in bullshit though so that's fine.

Like I said I post here because I got a lot from the community. Now I think there is a crowd of quite nasty and bitter individuals. Moderators who act way out of line and one of the best liked members banned because the mods don't want hi. Here.


On other sites you'd get paid 5 dollars a post for Dave's there etc. if we counted all helpful posts he has made and paid hi, 5. Dollars for each he would get a lot of money.

Instead blonde has always had a great community and thus you have guys who are extremely qualified spending hours and hours of their time trying to help out and this is all for free. They do it because of their affection for blonde, you basically have guys like Dave and stu spending tens and tens of hours when if they wanted to do it for money they could be making thousands a month out of it elsewhere. T ensure these guys want to keep posting on your forum and having new people posting and wanting to post here because of the great advice they get there the surroundings have to be good for the guys and for me they absolutely are not!

It's like Barcelona, ran for the people by the people.

I was actually playing with you Nathan! I really like you and whenever I say things you take it literally, the 33 was a joke :p

2 all ins tho. Gambol. Wcoop. Obv not even a sweet. Easy game. Jto 12bet aipf in live bubble tho.

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but Patrick your arrogance is breathtaking and I know for a fact that your posts on this PHA board put off a lot of people from posting on it

This is a shame because a lot of people get much from your posts, but you turn off as many as "get" you

Anyway, I doubt we'll see eye to eye on this. Rest assured the contributions of Stu and Dave and others are very appreciated and you, and other malcontents, do not have a clue the problems Herbert caused, which will reamnin private

Don't want to derail OP more than I have done, I will leave you to it

yh the later part of patricks post and ur post dave are both awesome and great examples of 2 intelligent and informative posts.
My post wasnt in ANYWAY a person attack on you patrick, but im sure if you or anyone else reads back on some of your recent posts, they will agree, your wording and tone could of been improved upon.
Also, to your reply, i didnt offer OP anything, granted (i didnt claim to i dont think?) but i also wasn't rude to him. I was in no way trolling you, was just my opinion that was drawn from reading alot of your replies recently. As i said, the majority are very very good man.
no hard feelings :-)

What is a lot though? I'm sure railtards famous 10+ and your "lots" means a really big number . There's. maybe 5 posts a week so your 20+ new guys is huge traffic. I can't stand in the way of that.

Your post is ridiculously insulting so il stand aside and watch this new traffic flourish and eat my words in a couple of weeks/months I'm sure.

Haha I had 50bigs and a pair with 2x6bb all ins in front of me, one of which being a friend.

There's no way I'm not calling!  /:-| /:-|



Wish you well OP

This place and more importantly, the people, have helped me immensely and I hope it/they can help you too.

unless im really misreading tighty's posts, i dont think he is trying to be 'ridiculously insulting to you', but what he is saying is (at least somewhat) really accurate. I dont think anyone wants u to stop posting, but being a little more understanding and welcoming to new posters who obviously dont have the skill level you have, is not asking alot. Do you really think the way you replied to the OP was polite?

I don't expect this is a productive line of conversation for anyone involved. Let's move on, guys.

saying -- a lot of people dont post because of you--

is incredibly mean, nasty and offensive, yes.

like i said your 10 plus guys and tightys army of guys can have free reign now knowing I wont be rude to them! Extremely interested to see how that develops.

yh agree, maybe tighty should move all discussion that isnt directed at the OP

Pleno...In the morning, remember back to when you started playing poker.......read the OP again...read your first post...this is why people have made comments.

I need to add, then look at your 2nd post (excluding the handbags) and that is why people appreciate your constructive posts and is why blonde is so good.

Did you read op too? He's been playing for 6 years and upto 100nl. But as I previously said I should have worded it differently, apologies to op and offered him 500 worth of free coaching as an apology.

a lot of over-reactions here imo.

Over-reaction to Pads' initial post, and an over-reaction from Pads' to the over-reactions, and if i'm honest a lil over-reacting to Pads' over-reacting to everyones initial over-reaction

First comments, whilst factually accurate, made you sound like a bit of a dick, now we all know you're not a dick, so a simple "Sorry that came across badly" should have saved 2.5 of these pages.

OP - Play a few more hands (doesn't have to be loads, a few thousand) then start a new thread post a screen-shot of your stats* (vpip, pfr, pfr by position, 3b, W$SD, cbet, fold to cbet nd anything else you think sounds like it might be important) and a shot of your results by position (how much you're winning/losing from each position) and we'll do our best to point you in the right direction, BUT (and I'm sure this thread has made you perfectly aware lol) with a smallish sample like this it won't be completely conclusive but I'm sure it will be helpfull, if not in immediate leak-fixing but in seeing how different people use and interpret different information. (I'd be interested to see this personally)

*if you don't know how to do this on PT go to VIEW STATS (or something like that) and then on the left hand side (toward to bottom half of the pannel i think) there should be a option that says ADD FILTER or QUICK FILTER and that should let you filter anything you want out of your results.

Before I write this next post, I want to state that I think it is completely disgraceful that this person, who is relatively new to blonde, has had one of their first threads derailed into this, a discussion of the effects of Pleno's posting. I do however feel that this conversation is necessary, and has been a long time coming. I was playing a game today, and read this thread, and what Pleno has said made me so genuinely angry that I was no longer fit to continue in the game. The general consensus was that I should post my feelings, so here goes...

I do not post on the PHA very often any more as a direct result of Pleno. I have felt belittled by several of his comments, and frankly I feel too intimidated to post hands, let alone offer my own advice. You have a very strong personality, Patrick. You absolutely have to come to understand this and find a way to compensate for it. I know several people who, like me, do not want to get involved in the PHA because of you. Some of your posts, like the one you recently posted about "AK last hand of the day" or something like that was very constructive and a very good post. Why on earth you cannot post like this more often is beyond me. Next time you're waiting to pay at a till with an angry hungarian shopkeeper trying to hurry you up, please do not post. Wait until you get to a point where you can write something constructive. The comment that sparked all of this, at the start of this thread, is disgusting. You need to realise this, and change your behaviour, before you, stu and dave are the only people left with the courage to post on this board.

I have a problem with my temperament. It was pretty serious, and I still relapse sometimes. One of the things that drives me to work at changing this is that I know people have defended me in the past, saying things like "he's a nice guy really" and stuff like that. I found this insanely embarrassing. It's completely wrong that someone feels the need to defend me in this way in the first place. Do you realise that this is what's happening with you, Patrick? Pretty much everyone I know, who also knows you, swears by your character and defends you admirably. It is becoming increasingly difficult for these people to do so, and also increasingly necessary. Comments like this, and the one you recently put on Sean's diary which I believe read "trivial fold", should never appear on this forum, especially not from a man of your experience. As a professional player, and a poker coach, you have a responsibility to conduct yourself in a professional manner.

What you mean to say is not what's important. How it is perceived by those reading it, however, is vital. I'm guilty of similar things, my "bowl comps" comment was received very badly. It wasn't taken as I intended it to be, but I completely understand that my wording was terrible and made my meaning unclear. A lot of what you say is not perceived as you mean it to be, and this is not everyone else's problem, it is yours. I 100% agree with everything tighty has said.

^^ This x1000000

Only thing I want to say is to remind everyone that Patrick spends many hours of his time every week giving away his knowledge for free on PHA.

Is there a cash alternative?  ;)

Good post!!

Sure just to please you if op is that offended after my first 2 posts. I will send him 150 dollars (an hours price of coaching) no problem.

Thanks for suggesting that, another great post in a pha thread.

No need to thank me...

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Behave, red. You knew exactly what the reaction was going to be to that when you posted. You're better than that, sir.

Pleno, if you're serious - and I've no reason to doubt you are - why not send a PM to Mr Flash and extend your offer away from this thread. Then some good can come of it. As for the other stuff, come back to this thread later and perhaps reflect on the message behind the posts. We can all learn from feedback, although it can be exceptionally difficult when we consider it to be abusive or unfair. Sometimes, even your worst enemy shows you a way you can become a better person.

Game of cards, chaps!

Patrick regularly has a dig at the mods, Mr Tal. He can't really grumble about a bit of tongue in cheek retaliation.

Glass houses and all that... 

In b4 Plenos lapdog comments :P Been super careful to avoid this lately but still sure its coming from someone at some point.

@Pads, I'm a little unsure about whether to do this in public but w/e because it needs to be said. You overreact a lot. You must be one of the only posters I've seen to regularly quit blonde/PHA/The Rail or whatever. I've had spells like this, the little dramas that make you think, what is the fkin point of all this. I've also not stuck to any of these breaks from blonde :p

We all have issues with the mods, which is going to happen. They are the authority figures and it is only really them I disagree with openly. A lot of the time when I see something I think is wrong I just ignore it or don't post. However, when it is Tighty, especially somewhere I am involved I will always make my point. For example, in Mondas recent thread I thought people were OOL commenting all over the shop in what was effectively, I'm busto, type situation. This didn't seem to be the thread in which to joke around, in my opinion. Obviously everyone ignored my points in their entirety, but choose to take apart the comments I had made. G2L kept making bloody inbetweener like "friend" comments about me saying it was different because he was professional. This wasn't my point, it was because he was a professional who was in a shitty situation, but this made me a drama queen or w/e. I think I even snapped a touch once, but I'm sure Mr.2loose will forgive me as he needs to keep the fish in  the game! <3

Your offer of 500$ free coaching is very generous but way way over the top. I don't think anyone expects this sort of thing and it just comes across very defensive. Just chill and take time to post in a more constructive manner. I've always been one of the guys who has defended you when you make a "lol trivial cold 6bet" post, but being at the counter with that Hungarian bitch isn't an excuse. Ofc your time is valuable but focus on quality and not quantity and make sure the tone of your posts comes across as reasonable. I've always been happy to get involved in every PHA thread and I think people are a little scared to do this. But I'm sure I wouldn't be as good a friends with LilD, Honeybadger or you if I hadn't got involved in such a level. For PHA to thrive it needs both well respected posters and the right atmosphere and it doesn't always have that and whilst I'd say you were top 3 for the first part you are definitely one of the people who can create the wrong atmosphere. Not every poker player has the confidence in there game to argue with you or to say you are wrong. At the same time not everyone has the ability to make a "profitable" peel with  9s 4c from the BB 40bb deep. That was terrible.

@Red Dog. I don't really know what is going on with you and Pads but it is making you both come across pretty bad and you seem to start it lots. Unfortunately, as a Mod, you have to bite your tongue imo, or at least not go around starting it. I'm not surprised Pads has had a humour bypass as you seem to be intentionally going out of your way to be an ass with him at the moment and this surprises me as you seem like a really nice guy. Perhaps you guys need to discuss your issues properly instead of having these little hissy fits.  I don't think acting out of line (imo anyway) is going to proof to patrick he shouldn't call the moderators out like that. And fwiw I don't think he should be although I'm tempted to start(or continue) the #freeHerbie2013 movement myself.

@Tighty. I'm sure your getting a little tired of all these issues with pads at the moment but I don't think you can describe someone as breathtakingly arrogant in your position of power. This is unfortunate as it does seem to be your actual opinion but at the same time I think it comes across really badly. Pinchops post was spot on imo and I'm sure I've told pads about this type of thing several times but you do seem to have come and put the boot in. And after all we all know gang rape is offensive  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)  (P.S I'm aware gangrape is actually offensive but i doubt plenos former sig actually did)

Patrick did the same with Goulders post and you described it as ool.

Great post from rexas, and as probably the person to kick off the bowl comment saga I've not seen any comments like that from you. Please have a crack at PHA more, you can always just tell mr. trivial to piss off!

Why did everyone else get a 'did not add to OP thread' and I got a solitary 'lol'?! Haha, good job I'm not as sensitive as some seem to be... ;)

Over-react much ITT though!

Wow, a lot of responses that I'm not really sure how to react to!

In short, thank you. I have received a few VERY :) helpful posts and It means a lot. I understand what a lot of people are saying, but it is definitely worth posting if out of all this kerfuffle I get some valuable information and an offer of some free coaching! I do plan on sticking around and becoming a part of this talented (yet very dysfunctional) family and community.


I do not want your money Pleno (Patrick, I think your name is?), but the offer of some coaching I would definitely like to take you up on if you were serious? I also agree that despite your first unhelpful post it was followed by many other unhelpful posts, which haven't received the same bad press!

I will try and collate a larger sample of hands and try to post more in depth statistics with that.

Thank you all,
Ash

Sure ofc, 3 hours is yours. Will sort via pm.

Ash, welcome to blonde, you've had quite an entrance to PHA, you have to post more now, no lurking in the shadows for you anymore :-p

Ha, I'll try and come forward more! :p

dramatics lol, think Pleno's dismissive nature has been clearly misinterpreted. Hes still a short git that doesnt drink beer though (definitely something wrong there). One of the best posters on here even though i disagree with him a fair bit, think thats what pushes a knowledge base on, good debate.


 Reality is variance is pretty huge at smallstakes due to normally lower winrates (tougher games believe it or not- due to rake and player pool), a few years ago id have said 100k hand sample was sufficient. Id go with minimum 250k and preferably 1/2mil before you see anything converging towards true win/lossrate.

Agree with Stu and Dave here.

Threads like these are embarrassing for the community as a whole, and not at all productive. If somebody has an opinion about Pads or his demeanour on the forum, make a thread about it. Don't de-rail a thread which could potentially have been a great example of community spirit, instead it's been brought back down to personal opinions ONCE AGAIN.

Sometimes I feel like certain members of this forum lose perspective entirely and forget the reason why we are all here in favour of fulfilling their own petty personal vendettas.

As far as actually helping this clearly friendly lad out, I'm not sure I can post anything which will do the post itself justice because I think that it would take far too much time to post in detail about the nuances of LSNLHE.

What I will say though Flash, is that I converted to cash games about a year ago, starting at $25nl to get my head around it, and now play higher but if you want me to do a sweat session on Team Viewer with you I'd be happy to do that (as I find it actually helps me to vocalise strategy) and I can point out some of the more fundamental problems with your game that may be hindering your progress, and more importantly highlight the things that you are doing well and briefly explain how to capitalise on them.

I'd take Pleno up on his offer too, as he is much better than me and has actually coached me in the past and I've found it very helpful. Just PM me and I'll give you my Skype name if you're interested.