Hand Analysis/Coaching

[Magic817]

I need to add, then look at your 2nd post (excluding the handbags) and that is why people appreciate your constructive posts and is why blonde is so good.

[pleno1]

Pleno...In the morning, remember back to when you started playing poker.......read the OP again...read your first post...this is why people have made comments.

Did you read op too? He's been playing for 6 years and upto 100nl. But as I previously said I should have worded it differently, apologies to op and offered him 500 worth of free coaching as an apology.

[SuuPRlim]

a lot of over-reactions here imo.

Over-reaction to Pads' initial post, and an over-reaction from Pads' to the over-reactions, and if i'm honest a lil over-reacting to Pads' over-reacting to everyones initial over-reaction

First comments, whilst factually accurate, made you sound like a bit of a dick, now we all know you're not a dick, so a simple "Sorry that came across badly" should have saved 2.5 of these pages.

OP - Play a few more hands (doesn't have to be loads, a few thousand) then start a new thread post a screen-shot of your stats* (vpip, pfr, pfr by position, 3b, W$SD, cbet, fold to cbet nd anything else you think sounds like it might be important) and a shot of your results by position (how much you're winning/losing from each position) and we'll do our best to point you in the right direction, BUT (and I'm sure this thread has made you perfectly aware lol) with a smallish sample like this it won't be completely conclusive but I'm sure it will be helpfull, if not in immediate leak-fixing but in seeing how different people use and interpret different information. (I'd be interested to see this personally)

*if you don't know how to do this on PT go to VIEW STATS (or something like that) and then on the left hand side (toward to bottom half of the pannel i think) there should be a option that says ADD FILTER or QUICK FILTER and that should let you filter anything you want out of your results.

[Rexas]

Before I write this next post, I want to state that I think it is completely disgraceful that this person, who is relatively new to blonde, has had one of their first threads derailed into this, a discussion of the effects of Pleno's posting. I do however feel that this conversation is necessary, and has been a long time coming. I was playing a game today, and read this thread, and what Pleno has said made me so genuinely angry that I was no longer fit to continue in the game. The general consensus was that I should post my feelings, so here goes...

I do not post on the PHA very often any more as a direct result of Pleno. I have felt belittled by several of his comments, and frankly I feel too intimidated to post hands, let alone offer my own advice. You have a very strong personality, Patrick. You absolutely have to come to understand this and find a way to compensate for it. I know several people who, like me, do not want to get involved in the PHA because of you. Some of your posts, like the one you recently posted about "AK last hand of the day" or something like that was very constructive and a very good post. Why on earth you cannot post like this more often is beyond me. Next time you're waiting to pay at a till with an angry hungarian shopkeeper trying to hurry you up, please do not post. Wait until you get to a point where you can write something constructive. The comment that sparked all of this, at the start of this thread, is disgusting. You need to realise this, and change your behaviour, before you, stu and dave are the only people left with the courage to post on this board.

I have a problem with my temperament. It was pretty serious, and I still relapse sometimes. One of the things that drives me to work at changing this is that I know people have defended me in the past, saying things like "he's a nice guy really" and stuff like that. I found this insanely embarrassing. It's completely wrong that someone feels the need to defend me in this way in the first place. Do you realise that this is what's happening with you, Patrick? Pretty much everyone I know, who also knows you, swears by your character and defends you admirably. It is becoming increasingly difficult for these people to do so, and also increasingly necessary. Comments like this, and the one you recently put on Sean's diary which I believe read "trivial fold", should never appear on this forum, especially not from a man of your experience. As a professional player, and a poker coach, you have a responsibility to conduct yourself in a professional manner.

What you mean to say is not what's important. How it is perceived by those reading it, however, is vital. I'm guilty of similar things, my "bowl comps" comment was received very badly. It wasn't taken as I intended it to be, but I completely understand that my wording was terrible and made my meaning unclear. A lot of what you say is not perceived as you mean it to be, and this is not everyone else's problem, it is yours. I 100% agree with everything tighty has said.

[Honeybadger]

a lot of over-reactions here imo.

Over-reaction to Pads' initial post, and an over-reaction from Pads' to the over-reactions, and if i'm honest a lil over-reacting to Pads' over-reacting to everyones initial over-reaction.

^^ This x1000000

Only thing I want to say is to remind everyone that Patrick spends many hours of his time every week giving away his knowledge for free on PHA.

[RED-DOG]

Pleno...In the morning, remember back to when you started playing poker.......read the OP again...read your first post...this is why people have made comments.

Did you read op too? He's been playing for 6 years and upto 100nl. But as I previously said I should have worded it differently, apologies to op and offered him 500 worth of free coaching as an apology.

Is there a cash alternative? 

[pleno1]

Pleno...In the morning, remember back to when you started playing poker.......read the OP again...read your first post...this is why people have made comments.

Did you read op too? He's been playing for 6 years and upto 100nl. But as I previously said I should have worded it differently, apologies to op and offered him 500 worth of free coaching as an apology.

Is there a cash alternative? 

Good post!!

Sure just to please you if op is that offended after my first 2 posts. I will send him 150 dollars (an hours price of coaching) no problem.

Thanks for suggesting that, another great post in a pha thread.

[RED-DOG]

Pleno...In the morning, remember back to when you started playing poker.......read the OP again...read your first post...this is why people have made comments.

Did you read op too? He's been playing for 6 years and upto 100nl. But as I previously said I should have worded it differently, apologies to op and offered him 500 worth of free coaching as an apology.

Is there a cash alternative? 

Good post!!

Sure just to please you if op is that offended after my first 2 posts. I will send him 150 dollars (an hours price of coaching) no problem.

Thanks for suggesting that, another great post in a pha thread.

No need to thank me...

[Tal]

Behave, red. You knew exactly what the reaction was going to be to that when you posted. You're better than that, sir.

Pleno, if you're serious - and I've no reason to doubt you are - why not send a PM to Mr Flash and extend your offer away from this thread. Then some good can come of it. As for the other stuff, come back to this thread later and perhaps reflect on the message behind the posts. We can all learn from feedback, although it can be exceptionally difficult when we consider it to be abusive or unfair. Sometimes, even your worst enemy shows you a way you can become a better person.

Game of cards, chaps!

[RED-DOG]

Behave, red. You knew exactly what the reaction was going to be to that when you posted. You're better than that, sir.

Pleno, if you're serious - and I've no reason to doubt you are - why not send a PM to Mr Flash and extend your offer away from this thread. Then some good can come of it. As for the other stuff, come back to this thread later and perhaps reflect on the message behind the posts. We can all learn from feedback, although it can be exceptionally difficult when we consider it to be abusive or unfair. Sometimes, even your worst enemy shows you a way you can become a better person.

Game of cards, chaps!

Patrick regularly has a dig at the mods, Mr Tal. He can't really grumble about a bit of tongue in cheek retaliation.

Glass houses and all that... 

Like I said I post here because I got a lot from the community. Now I think there is a crowd of quite nasty and bitter individuals. Moderators who act way out of line and one of the best liked members banned because the mods don't want hi. Here.

[rfgqqabc]

In b4 Plenos lapdog comments Been super careful to avoid this lately but still sure its coming from someone at some point.

@Pads, I'm a little unsure about whether to do this in public but w/e because it needs to be said. You overreact a lot. You must be one of the only posters I've seen to regularly quit blonde/PHA/The Rail or whatever. I've had spells like this, the little dramas that make you think, what is the fkin point of all this. I've also not stuck to any of these breaks from blonde :p

We all have issues with the mods, which is going to happen. They are the authority figures and it is only really them I disagree with openly. A lot of the time when I see something I think is wrong I just ignore it or don't post. However, when it is Tighty, especially somewhere I am involved I will always make my point. For example, in Mondas recent thread I thought people were OOL commenting all over the shop in what was effectively, I'm busto, type situation. This didn't seem to be the thread in which to joke around, in my opinion. Obviously everyone ignored my points in their entirety, but choose to take apart the comments I had made. G2L kept making bloody inbetweener like "friend" comments about me saying it was different because he was professional. This wasn't my point, it was because he was a professional who was in a shitty situation, but this made me a drama queen or w/e. I think I even snapped a touch once, but I'm sure Mr.2loose will forgive me as he needs to keep the fish in  the game! <3

Your offer of 500$ free coaching is very generous but way way over the top. I don't think anyone expects this sort of thing and it just comes across very defensive. Just chill and take time to post in a more constructive manner. I've always been one of the guys who has defended you when you make a "lol trivial cold 6bet" post, but being at the counter with that Hungarian bitch isn't an excuse. Ofc your time is valuable but focus on quality and not quantity and make sure the tone of your posts comes across as reasonable. I've always been happy to get involved in every PHA thread and I think people are a little scared to do this. But I'm sure I wouldn't be as good a friends with LilD, Honeybadger or you if I hadn't got involved in such a level. For PHA to thrive it needs both well respected posters and the right atmosphere and it doesn't always have that and whilst I'd say you were top 3 for the first part you are definitely one of the people who can create the wrong atmosphere. Not every poker player has the confidence in there game to argue with you or to say you are wrong. At the same time not everyone has the ability to make a "profitable" peel with   from the BB 40bb deep. That was terrible.

@Red Dog. I don't really know what is going on with you and Pads but it is making you both come across pretty bad and you seem to start it lots. Unfortunately, as a Mod, you have to bite your tongue imo, or at least not go around starting it. I'm not surprised Pads has had a humour bypass as you seem to be intentionally going out of your way to be an ass with him at the moment and this surprises me as you seem like a really nice guy. Perhaps you guys need to discuss your issues properly instead of having these little hissy fits.  I don't think acting out of line (imo anyway) is going to proof to patrick he shouldn't call the moderators out like that. And fwiw I don't think he should be although I'm tempted to start(or continue) the #freeHerbie2013 movement myself.

@Tighty. I'm sure your getting a little tired of all these issues with pads at the moment but I don't think you can describe someone as breathtakingly arrogant in your position of power. This is unfortunate as it does seem to be your actual opinion but at the same time I think it comes across really badly. Pinchops post was spot on imo and I'm sure I've told pads about this type of thing several times but you do seem to have come and put the boot in. And after all we all know gang rape is offensive     (P.S I'm aware gangrape is actually offensive but i doubt plenos former sig actually did)

Patrick did the same with Goulders post and you described it as ool.

Great post from rexas, and as probably the person to kick off the bowl comment saga I've not seen any comments like that from you. Please have a crack at PHA more, you can always just tell mr. trivial to piss off!

[dwayne110]

Why did everyone else get a 'did not add to OP thread' and I got a solitary 'lol'?! Haha, good job I'm not as sensitive as some seem to be...

Over-react much ITT though!

[Flash92]

Wow, a lot of responses that I'm not really sure how to react to!

In short, thank you. I have received a few VERY helpful posts and It means a lot. I understand what a lot of people are saying, but it is definitely worth posting if out of all this kerfuffle I get some valuable information and an offer of some free coaching! I do plan on sticking around and becoming a part of this talented (yet very dysfunctional) family and community.

Pleno...In the morning, remember back to when you started playing poker.......read the OP again...read your first post...this is why people have made comments.

Did you read op too? He's been playing for 6 years and upto 100nl. But as I previously said I should have worded it differently, apologies to op and offered him 500 worth of free coaching as an apology.

Is there a cash alternative? 

Good post!!

Sure just to please you if op is that offended after my first 2 posts. I will send him 150 dollars (an hours price of coaching) no problem.

Thanks for suggesting that, another great post in a pha thread.

I do not want your money Pleno (Patrick, I think your name is?), but the offer of some coaching I would definitely like to take you up on if you were serious? I also agree that despite your first unhelpful post it was followed by many other unhelpful posts, which haven't received the same bad press!

I will try and collate a larger sample of hands and try to post more in depth statistics with that.

Thank you all,
Ash

[pleno1]

Sure ofc, 3 hours is yours. Will sort via pm.

[SuuPRlim]

Ash, welcome to blonde, you've had quite an entrance to PHA, you have to post more now, no lurking in the shadows for you anymore :-p