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Title: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: mikeymike on February 10, 2015, 08:52:23 PM
Hi all

As a newbie i am fully aware of having to make xxx posts before you can stake someone, however and i do not know if this has been tried before but here goes.

Very few people have the resources to play in say a £5k entry fee tournament and just as importantly they may not have the experience and knowledge that the pros and grinders have.

So just think if your a moderate player who loves the game how great it would be to play in a big tournament, well i think members of the forum could make this happen.

Lets just say the 500 members donate £10 each into a Blonde escro account, then there is a random draw to which allows 1/2 players to enter a decent named tournament.

For a £10 donation you get to rail a blonde forum member, the player will undoubtedly promote the forum at the event, and because it would be a random pick it could be a total novice or a hard core pro who wins the seat.

If the person made the money it would be split as follows

The buy in is returned to the blonde escro for another player to have an opportunity
The player who cashes gets to keep 30%
40% goes into the escro
30% goes to blondepoker.com towards the cost of running the site

To be honest in my opinion this is a win win for everybody who would participate its not hard to run and for a tenner somebody is going to have a good experience -- PR at its best.

Cheers

Mike


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: UgotNuts on February 10, 2015, 09:01:53 PM
this sounds interesting to me. Would be happy to participate, not sure who would collect the cash or witness the draw.

It's a bit like a lottery for a good cause, maybe it can be done at the next blonde bash


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: pokerplayingfarmer on February 10, 2015, 10:10:20 PM
Could be fun this.  I'd be in.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: celtic on February 10, 2015, 11:24:40 PM
Def could be fun. Good luck finding someone who would be happy to be the escrow.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: arbboy on February 10, 2015, 11:55:55 PM
has blonde got 500 active members?  Might as well start with the basics before we ask all 500 members for a tenner.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: cambridgealex on February 10, 2015, 11:58:02 PM
Good idea in principle, with some tweaking could work really well!


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: scotty77 on February 11, 2015, 12:49:17 AM
Yeah like the idea.  £10 would be good for the DTD monthly.  £20 for bigger comps.

I can see a problem being that some blondes wouldn't want to play these big events for 30% tho.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: BorntoBubble on February 11, 2015, 12:53:15 AM
Yeah the number of people who would be "in" for this I dont think would be as high as 500 but it is a good idea.

I do think keeping the minimum still to the 300 posters would help, personally it didnt take long, you dont need to spam just be active for a few months and you will get there.

It just makes it a little safer for me to know that the pot is going to go to someone who is more likely to use it properly and not just disappear with the money!


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: SuuPRlim on February 11, 2015, 12:52:46 PM
fun idea


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: EvilPie on February 11, 2015, 01:24:35 PM

If the person made the money it would be split as follows

The buy in is returned to the blonde escro for another player to have an opportunity

This is the only bit I can see a problem with. The escrow service works great for ensuring the player gets the money but how can you be sure he'll give the winnings back?


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: Woodsey on February 11, 2015, 01:34:29 PM

If the person made the money it would be split as follows

The buy in is returned to the blonde escro for another player to have an opportunity

This is the only bit I can see a problem with. The escrow service works great for ensuring the player gets the money but how can you be sure he'll give the winnings back?


Also, there is a core of regulars on here I would trust. What if a newish person or someone that we generally don't know that well has a big score? I'm not my trust goes that far...


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: Simon Galloway on February 11, 2015, 05:11:29 PM
Good idea in principle, with some (draw) tweaking could work really well!

FYP


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: UgotNuts on February 11, 2015, 09:11:00 PM

If the person made the money it would be split as follows

The buy in is returned to the blonde escro for another player to have an opportunity

This is the only bit I can see a problem with. The escrow service works great for ensuring the player gets the money but how can you be sure he'll give the winnings back?


Also, there is a core of regulars on here I would trust. What if a newish person or someone that we generally don't know that well has a big score? I'm not my trust goes that far...


Could always type up terms and conditions and a legally binding contact for nothing


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: pokerplayingfarmer on February 12, 2015, 12:21:29 AM

If the person made the money it would be split as follows

The buy in is returned to the blonde escro for another player to have an opportunity

This is the only bit I can see a problem with. The escrow service works great for ensuring the player gets the money but how can you be sure he'll give the winnings back?


Also, there is a core of regulars on here I would trust. What if a newish person or someone that we generally don't know that well has a big score? I'm not my trust goes that far...


Could always type up terms and conditions and a legally binding contact for nothing

Could any winnings not be split and paid to where they need to go by the cash desk?  I'm sure this could be arranged.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: luther101 on February 12, 2015, 09:19:17 AM
Nice idea    ....      only choose DTD comps and then get 'Rob's Mob' to note that the entrant is only entitled to 30% of any winnings - easy!


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: Magic817 on February 12, 2015, 09:35:32 AM

If the person made the money it would be split as follows

The buy in is returned to the blonde escro for another player to have an opportunity

This is the only bit I can see a problem with. The escrow service works great for ensuring the player gets the money but how can you be sure he'll give the winnings back?


Also, there is a core of regulars on here I would trust. What if a newish person or someone that we generally don't know that well has a big score? I'm not my trust goes that far...


Could always type up terms and conditions and a legally binding contact for nothing

Could any winnings not be split and paid to where they need to go by the cash desk?  I'm sure this could be arranged.

Surely Rob's staff are busy enough without taking on extra hassle. What happens if one of Rob's staff make an error splitting the winnings etc.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: tikay on February 12, 2015, 09:37:42 AM

If the person made the money it would be split as follows

The buy in is returned to the blonde escro for another player to have an opportunity

This is the only bit I can see a problem with. The escrow service works great for ensuring the player gets the money but how can you be sure he'll give the winnings back?


Also, there is a core of regulars on here I would trust. What if a newish person or someone that we generally don't know that well has a big score? I'm not my trust goes that far...


Could always type up terms and conditions and a legally binding contact for nothing

Could any winnings not be split and paid to where they need to go by the cash desk?  I'm sure this could be arranged.

Surely Rob's staff are busy enough without taking on extra hassle. What happens if one of Rob's staff make an error splitting the winnings etc.

I'm not even sure the GC rules would allow them to do that. It has the potential to get messy.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: UgotNuts on February 12, 2015, 11:27:38 AM
Nice idea    ....      only choose DTD comps and then get 'Rob's Mob' to note that the entrant is only entitled to 30% of any winnings - easy!

Not sure if DTD have many 5K buy in comps though. Could work for the WPT main though with travel and spending money included.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: verndog158 on February 12, 2015, 11:52:06 AM
Nice idea    ....      only choose DTD comps and then get 'Rob's Mob' to note that the entrant is only entitled to 30% of any winnings - easy!

Not sure if DTD have many 5K buy in comps though. Could work for the WPT main though with travel and spending money included.

Could even work better for 500/ 1k buy ins. A lot of people can't afford playing those or even the 300 on the reg, so even if it was for a 300, be more fun and a great sweat if there were 5/6 people playing it surely?


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: pokerplayingfarmer on February 12, 2015, 12:09:44 PM
Nice idea    ....      only choose DTD comps and then get 'Rob's Mob' to note that the entrant is only entitled to 30% of any winnings - easy!

Not sure if DTD have many 5K buy in comps though. Could work for the WPT main though with travel and spending money included.

Could even work better for 500/ 1k buy ins. A lot of people can't afford playing those or even the 300 on the reg, so even if it was for a 300, be more fun and a great sweat if there were 5/6 people playing it surely?

I like this idea the most, multiple entries in 300/500/1k buyins much better sweat and gets more people playing with s better chance of a return.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: mikeymike on February 12, 2015, 07:58:35 PM
Okay the majority that have posted to this are in favour of the concept

Perhaps because of the low numbers at the moment the suggestion of playing a £300 at DTD might be realistic though i would prefer a bigger tournament as i think it gives more edge.

With regards to holds the money it could be transferred to a long standing regular blonde member via pokerstars who could then buy in direct for any named person.

To be honest i am quite a trusting person and have no problems if the person cashes for them to honour the agreement if they do a runner we have lost a tenner.

Mike


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: TightEnd on February 12, 2015, 08:02:48 PM
the majority may be in favour but that doesn't mean blonde necessarily wants to host it, or want to be involved sorting any disputes

the 300 post rule on here is there for a reason, and this circumvents that.

the escrow arrangements are likely to be difficult, from experience. Quite a responsibility and admin for someone

it needs a lot more thought, to be honest.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: arbboy on February 12, 2015, 08:17:00 PM
Okay the majority that have posted to this are in favour of the concept

Perhaps because of the low numbers at the moment the suggestion of playing a £300 at DTD might be realistic though i would prefer a bigger tournament as i think it gives more edge.

With regards to holds the money it could be transferred to a long standing regular blonde member via pokerstars who could then buy in direct for any named person.

To be honest i am quite a trusting person and have no problems if the person cashes for them to honour the agreement if they do a runner we have lost a tenner.

Mike

How would playing a £5k ept give a random blonde player a 'bigger edge' than playing the £300 deepstack at dtd?  Is a random players expected roi higher in an ept than a £300 deepstack?


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: mikeymike on February 12, 2015, 08:36:36 PM
bit of negativity - it would take me 20 minutes to provide an escro account, no admin required its called using your accountancy firm who bill me every year whatever i do,

plus how this is trying to get round the STAKING rule is beyond me, and for the record i am not looking for staking and will never want to be staked as i am fortunate to be able enter all the tournaments i want


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: TightEnd on February 12, 2015, 08:46:05 PM
bit of negativity - it would take me 20 minutes to provide an escro account, no admin required its called using your accountancy firm who bill me every year whatever i do,

plus how this is trying to get round the STAKING rule is beyond me, and for the record i am not looking for staking and will never want to be staked as i am fortunate to be able enter all the tournaments i want

This isn't personal, more illustrative of a point but i am sure there would be concerns about someone with 21 posts holding the escrow account for however many members involved

this may be one of several issues. Not being negative for negative sake but in 10+ years myself and colleagues have seen all sorts of pitfalls in this arena



Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: Woodsey on February 12, 2015, 08:46:14 PM
No disrespect mate but you are new here, no way people are gong to trust you to escrow or an account set up by you, we've been grimmed on here before a few times so our fingers are toasted already....


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: vegaslover on February 12, 2015, 09:33:26 PM
The idea of sweepstaking for a DTD 300 event is fine. But I certainly wouldn't want to admin it as it would be a nightmare.

Whilst I may well send to an escrow who is a long standing blonde I wouldn't even contemplate sending to a newbie poster.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: cambridgealex on February 12, 2015, 10:04:25 PM
I'll volunteer to be the escrow. But it'll never happen for an EPT.

I think a DTD £300 deepstack is more realistic. 30 people send me a tenner, I do a random draw and whoever is drawn out plays with the payouts as suggested by OP. I can make sure whoever plays doesn't do a runner from DTD if they cash. It wouldn't be a "nightmare", it would take a bit of work but I like the idea of a blonde playing a comp they otherwise wouldn't have otherwise played, and playing it for blonde.

I don't think anymore than 30/40 people is realistic. Plus the deepstack is a comp anyone can win and people can play it even if they have a mon-fri job. EPTs are obviously way tougher and are abroad, last for 6/7 days (apparently) so much more travel expense and days off work that need to be booked.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: mikeymike on February 12, 2015, 10:14:25 PM
I was just pointing out that opening an escrow account is not difficult - not that i would hold it

Also my original post was to get something going thats different and give people an opportunity they might not get/have otherwise.

Perhaps it  is because i am old school and run all my business and social  affairs on trust and in 30 years i have only been f****d over once

So if you think its worth pursuing and your a long standing blonde member take up the challenge sorting at the admin is easy,

Things in life only be come complicated when people decide to put barriers up

Cheers

Written whilst reading post from cambridgealex  - good on you - i would be happy to help with admin putin the first £10/20 and subract myself from the first draw



Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: verndog158 on February 12, 2015, 10:17:29 PM
I'll volunteer to be the escrow. But it'll never happen for an EPT.

I think a DTD £300 deepstack is more realistic. 30 people send me a tenner, I do a random draw and whoever is drawn out plays with the payouts as suggested by OP. I can make sure whoever plays doesn't do a runner from DTD if they cash. It wouldn't be a "nightmare", it would take a bit of work but I like the idea of a blonde playing a comp they otherwise wouldn't have otherwise played, and playing it for blonde.

I don't think anymore than 30/40 people is realistic.

Like this idea, don't think it's be too difficult too police, think as a 'rail' a Dtd 300 would be much more fun, have other people playing and other blondes from the escrow on the rail. I'm defo on for it if it happens


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: UgotNuts on February 13, 2015, 08:51:11 AM
I'll volunteer to be the escrow. But it'll never happen for an EPT.

I think a DTD £300 deepstack is more realistic. 30 people send me a tenner, I do a random draw and whoever is drawn out plays with the payouts as suggested by OP. I can make sure whoever plays doesn't do a runner from DTD if they cash. It wouldn't be a "nightmare", it would take a bit of work but I like the idea of a blonde playing a comp they otherwise wouldn't have otherwise played, and playing it for blonde.

I don't think anymore than 30/40 people is realistic. Plus the deepstack is a comp anyone can win and people can play it even if they have a mon-fri job. EPTs are obviously way tougher and are abroad, last for 6/7 days (apparently) so much more travel expense and days off work that need to be booked.

Happy to be involved in this, maybe we can try and get this rolling for the next  300 deep stack? Perhaps the winner of the draw can wear a blonde t shirt or something to help promote the site. (I assume we are all for increasing numbers on here ?)


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: The Wycher on February 13, 2015, 10:22:13 AM
I would be interested in this, already play in one society (BCPC) where the aim is get players into bigger tournaments than they can normally afford.

Enforcing payments can be the tricky bit, as not 100% on the legal status of any arrangement, but as has been pointed out you only lose a £10.

Would make sense that rather than a % going to Blonde that % goes back to those who put the money up, with a % being retained to boost the available pot.

However, that could create a lot of admin in working out who had an interest in each deal?.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: TightEnd on February 13, 2015, 10:28:47 AM
I'll volunteer to be the escrow. But it'll never happen for an EPT.

I think a DTD £300 deepstack is more realistic. 30 people send me a tenner, I do a random draw and whoever is drawn out plays with the payouts as suggested by OP. I can make sure whoever plays doesn't do a runner from DTD if they cash. It wouldn't be a "nightmare", it would take a bit of work but I like the idea of a blonde playing a comp they otherwise wouldn't have otherwise played, and playing it for blonde.

I don't think anymore than 30/40 people is realistic. Plus the deepstack is a comp anyone can win and people can play it even if they have a mon-fri job. EPTs are obviously way tougher and are abroad, last for 6/7 days (apparently) so much more travel expense and days off work that need to be booked.

thanks Alex, this looks realistic and feasible, if you don't mind taking it on


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: UgotNuts on February 13, 2015, 01:05:51 PM
Just a percentage breakdown idea for a winning player....

40% to the player
30% returned to the pot
30% for Blonde

I assume this will be done on a monthly basis if it goes ahead and everyone involves chips in a £10 a month. If all goes well and we have a few scores we could use the % returned to Pot towards a Blonde Bash, or have more than one runner per month if the pot allows for it.

This is under the presumption the stakes don't want a return on investment and are happy for it to spin up to allow more players to be staked per month. Which I personally would be happy to do.

Based on last months DTD £330.00, based on a staked player winning outright, and 33 backers if we took out share out we would be looking at £243.18 back each based on a 30% share divided between the backers.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: Killer River on February 13, 2015, 04:43:49 PM
I'll volunteer to be the escrow. But it'll never happen for an EPT.

I think a DTD £300 deepstack is more realistic. 30 people send me a tenner, I do a random draw and whoever is drawn out plays with the payouts as suggested by OP. I can make sure whoever plays doesn't do a runner from DTD if they cash. It wouldn't be a "nightmare", it would take a bit of work but I like the idea of a blonde playing a comp they otherwise wouldn't have otherwise played, and playing it for blonde.

I don't think anymore than 30/40 people is realistic. Plus the deepstack is a comp anyone can win and people can play it even if they have a mon-fri job. EPTs are obviously way tougher and are abroad, last for 6/7 days (apparently) so much more travel expense and days off work that need to be booked.

The £300 deepstack sounds a lot more of a realistic option, sounds like this could be good fun. It would be nice if there was updates on blonde to see how the chosen player is doing, i miss them live updates  :(. I would be up for donating a ten sheet for this now there is a credible blonde up for doing the admin.


Title: Re: Not a staking thread as such
Post by: Vinodh on February 16, 2015, 11:21:11 PM
I'll volunteer to be the escrow. But it'll never happen for an EPT.

I think a DTD £300 deepstack is more realistic. 30 people send me a tenner, I do a random draw and whoever is drawn out plays with the payouts as suggested by OP. I can make sure whoever plays doesn't do a runner from DTD if they cash. It wouldn't be a "nightmare", it would take a bit of work but I like the idea of a blonde playing a comp they otherwise wouldn't have otherwise played, and playing it for blonde.

I don't think anymore than 30/40 people is realistic. Plus the deepstack is a comp anyone can win and people can play it even if they have a mon-fri job. EPTs are obviously way tougher and are abroad, last for 6/7 days (apparently) so much more travel expense and days off work that need to be booked.

thanks Alex, this looks realistic and feasible, if you don't mind taking it on

+1, happy to be involved in this if this happens!