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Not long now untill this fight happens on Saturday in Manchester.

I hope Calzaghe can do it, but it will be a tall order.

Whats this about a 24ft ring rather than a 20ft ring?  I thought all boxing rings were the same size

I really worry about Calzaghe in this one. I hope he does it tho.

Lacy is a class act though. This will be his career defining fight.

This will not go all the way - that's the only thing I am sure of.

I feel hat this WILL go all the way, and it will be one FANTASTIC fight, These are 2 of the toughest fighters around and niether of them will want to give an inch

But i feel Lacy will take it on ponts, Calzaghe will tire near the 10th because Lacy will be non stop action and i feel as he is alot younger will have the stamina to out last joe


Cant Wait!!!

I am so excited about this fight, i can't wait. Calzaghe is so confident and has got the tools to win this, just hope he doesn't get unlucky with his fragile hands. i personally think calazghe will win quickly, round 4.

I hate calzaghe, he's the most undeserving champ around.
He slaps instead of punching and has never faught any credible opponents.
He took advantage of a old and out of form eubank to become champ and has been fighting nobodys ever since.

Eubank was the business and if Calzaghe faught him when he was in his prime he would've got slaughtered.

I hope he gets ruined tommorow

Nahh, I want Calzaghe, Bolt pp.  He is the home fighter for a start and this is his 18th defence ( not sure if I am correct here....where is Nemesis when we need him with the boxing stats  :-)) 

Everyone has their favorites though. So we will agree to disagree  :D

How many defences did Eubank have?  I remember he had a long run of points finishes. Calaghe has a pretty decent knock out percentage.

The era of Eubank had some truely awesome fighters in Nigel Benn, Michael watson and Seve Collins,

In comparison Calzaghe hasnt fought any one of true quality, IMO Calzaghe isnt a patch on Eubank in his prime.

But I'll be rooting for him tomorrow.

I was a fan of Eubank also. I remember his hissing at the crowd between rounds.

It was sad to see him lose against Carl Thompsom two times at cruiserweight

Gary Shaw opted for the 20 ft ring to force Calzaghe to exchange with Lacy.


Lacy's biggest fights has been against Calzaghe opponents, He was rocked by Sheika early on and went the distance, 5 years before Shieka lost to Calzaghe via TKO.

There not much out there in supermiddle div except Kessler, Allan Green and an aging Beyer.

Joe will probably move up to light heavy and challenge Tarver.

I think eubank held a record for most defenses by a brittish boxer(could have been hamed though i'm not sure)

I agree that there were some great domestic middlewieghts around at that time jim, but collins? are you having a laugh!!!!

I put him in the same catagory as calzaghe, done benn and eubank when they were on their way out and then he offed it with all the dough to become a commentator :D

Eubank 19 fights


He fought Eubank 3 years before Eubank retired, and although Benn's fight against Collins was his last, it was 12 months after the Benn Vs. Gerald McClellan fight (One of the best Super Middleweight fights ever).

IMO Calzaghe wouldn't have beaten Collins.

I thought Steve Collins was underated. He beat Eubank two times and he beat Benn two times. With Collons, there was no showing off, he just got down to business.  He was also middleweight champ before he won at super-middle weight.

comparing boxers who never fought is pretty futile(thogh a good craic). all we can do is hope we have enough good
fighters that make us want to do it. eubank, benn, collins, mclennan in my opinion were the nineties equivalent to the eighties champs
(duran,leonard,hagler and hearns). all eight would have been undisputed if the others hadn't been around.

if only their were more like them, very few divisions are worth bothering about at the moment. and they would be as well doing away with
the heavyweight division.

ok rant over

You are totally correct  :)up.  But Collins is still best.... Just joking  :D

You're right Sark...

          Name, Nationality, Points, Career span, record (W-L-D)
     
1      Steve Collins     Irish    1,460    1986 - 1997     36-3-0     
               
2      Milton McCrory    US American    1,440    1980 - 1991     35-4-1     
               
3      Chris Eubank    British    1,434    1985 - 1998     45-5-2     
               
4      Vinny Pazienza    US American    1,388    1983 - 2004     50-10-0     
               
5      Nigel Benn    British    1,378    1987 - 1996     42-5-1     
               
6      Lindell Holmes    US American    1,377    1979 - 1993     45-8-0     
               
7      Joe Calzaghe    British    1,360    1993 - 2005     40-0-0     
               
8      Sven Ottke    German    1,356    1997 - 2004     34-0-0     
               
9      Thulani Malinga    South African    1,312    1981 - 2000     44-13-0     
               
10      Michael Olajide    British    1,295    1981 - 1991     27-5-0     

I think you should work for the BBC, Nemesis.  You could be their stats man.. :D

Yea, Collins was a top class fighter.

Do you think he was the best, nemesis?  or is he only the best on paper?

Out of the UK SM'S I thought Eubank in his prime (89-93) was the best, but they all were very good. Watson, Benn, Collins, + Malinga and James Toney. However, IMO the best Super Middleweight has to be Roy Jones JR (88-97). He would have beaten any of the boxers I've mentioned in their prime.

I enjoy boxing and watch as often as I can but I follow MMA (mixed martial arts) much closer. after Mike Tysons release from prison and the subsequent difficulty he had getting a top fight there was rumour of him stepping in the cage. I wondered how the resident boxing fanatics think top boxers would get on in the octogan?

The Boxers would get annihilated.

And the same would go for a UFC fighter fighting in a ring.

Yep.

some have successfully moved from martial arts to boxing(although I think of boxing as a martial art, and a formidable one at that) . Matt Skelton for example had dozens of Thai bouts before turning to pro boxing. Julius Francis also was a British and common wealth full contact kickboxer. It must surely be possible to go the other direction. A boxer would need a whole new bag of tricks and they'd have to retract the lead leg about a foot but it could be done. Most serious martial artists these days include Boxing training. there are still some old fashioned 'purists' about but it's all about cross training and boxers train harder than anyone else.

The guys at the top of the boxing tree wouldnt do it because the gap in money is so good but your journeyman boxers could earn a lot more money in MMA

Are there any TV channels that show Thai Boxing and stuff like that?

Eurosport

Eurosport.

But there must be some asian channels that show Thai Boxing, I'll try and get a stream for you.

you'll find UFC on bravo and challenge player too.

Thanks guys, Nem I haven't got round to learning all that BT stuff yet so please don't go to any trouble on my account.

Don't care who wins, but if I had to bet on it, it would go on lacy!

Lacy in the 9th. 32 on Betfiar

25/1 on hills, not sure what 32 means :D

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Right I have just done 3 x £25 singles on Joe to knock Lacey out in either rounds 7, 8 or 9.  22/1 each.

Come on Joe.  And to top it all I have my new 42" Plasma just fitted and can'tw ait to watch the boxing.  Now I have to decide if its a few tinnies or head to the Cin Cin and loose a few some more cash, meaning a Calzage knockout would be paramount!!

Sorry bud but its gonna end in the 11th ;)

Im with you on this one bandit   7 , 8, 9  its going to be a good one

I'm sorry guys, but Calzaghe has no little chance in beating Lacy.

calzaghe on pts

I thought about putting something on this for Joe, but it would be more wishful thinking and a waste of money.

Still, I will be 100% behind Calzaghe to win

I hope calzaghe's hands hold up. Lacy is gonna be a bit different to calzaghe's fight when he broke his hand.

Thats my worry Sark.  I don't think Lacey has come up against an opponent who will be as patient as Calzaghe.  Joe will work him and work him until an opportunity is there most guys who go in with Lacey tend to try and slug it out with him and inevitably this leads to them tiring out and suffering at the expense of a Left Hook.

If any1's getting KO'd its Calzaghe! He won't be able to match Lacy over the whole 12! Glasgow Bandit thats some betting action uv got going on! You must be pretty confident of a Calzaghe KO! Not happening, hes not good enough for points nevermind a KO!

Cant agree more,  Lacy wil NOT get KO'd


Man i aint been this excited abut a fight since Hatton v Tzeu

just realised i don't know what channel the fight is on? PPV?

ITV1    23.10

What time do you think it will start?. The broadcast runs until after 3am

I think its due to start at 01.30, but dont bank on it

And I had £50 on Ricky stopping Tzeu in the 10th 11th and 12th that night.  Ohh happy days 2 days before I jetted off to spain for a wee holiday landed a gret but at 25/1 8)

Cheers jim. calzaghe in rd 4 i tell you.

Round 4! Oh beehave!

If Joe smothers Lacy with a flurry the ref will have to step in, Calzaghe to win TKO.

what time is this on? I have to go with the Welshman obviously AAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR

ITV at 11pm, Dewi

ts sark  :)up

Cant say Ive seen Lacy fight ,which is a real shame as Ive travelled the world following boxing (1st trip to vegas was the Tyson vs Hollyfield earbiting fight) But the way its gone over the last couple of years is disapointing.
Calzaghe has never set the imagination alight but hes been a good champion and got a hell of a punch. Agree with the earlier comment on he appears to slap intead of punch, but its productive and devastating. He reminds me alot of Collins in he seems average against average fighters but when hes up against class he excells. 
His hand injury seems to be alot of concern.

Agree with nemesis about Roy Jones Jr, he would have been as good in any era with any fighter, just wish he'd stay retired.

Bet Until :  02:00 05/03/2006

Just copied this from hills site,   sems we gotta wait a while yet :(

Good old trick of the promoters, if your fighter is agressive and likes to mix it up go for the 20ft, if on the other hand your fighter likes to move about the ring opt for the 24ft.
They also like certain gloves i.e Reyes gloves are for punchers. Anyone know what gloves are being used tonight?

Enzo Maccarinelli V's Mark Hobson.  What a fight.  This is the way a fight should be.  Both were true warriors. No cheating ( Matt Skelton last week) just fair and sporting. It should have been a draw.

This next fight will be a cracker also.....Alexander to piss it

Skelton never cheated, he pushed the boundaries of the rules, plus he was robbed IMO

It was the Reyes gloves that sparked all the controversy in Morales/Pacman. I dont know what gloves tonight though.

 ;iagree; ;iagree; ;iagree;

thought hobson was unlucky with the scoring i had him down by only 1 round

If you want to see an amazing fight, possibly the best fight of all time, definetly the best fight ive ever watched live. Look for Diego Corrales - Jose Luis Castillo. Unbelievable fight.

Danny Williams was a true gentleman. On the other hand, Skelton used his head and any other part of his body he could.

After so many rounds of head butting Williams, it was ironic that Skelton was the one with the massive cut on his head at the end.

However everyone see's things differently, but this is how I viewed that fight.

I didn't realise the promoters could make those kind of decisions, I KNOW IT ( about the ring).

Promoters will go to great lengths if they think it will give them an advantage. ;)
 
My favourite fight of all time Morales vs Barrera (1st ). Although I think the judges got the results the wrong way round in the 1st & 2nd fights.

How do they convince the rival promoter to go along with it?  lots of cash? ( sorry, should have said manager)

How did Hamed even get a fight with either of them, let alone go off favourite ?

I not exactly sure on the finer methods of getting things their way, probably the Champion will have the decision. Remember the promoter is mostly their manager too and is looking at the intrests of getting his fighter any type of advantage.
The 2 types of examples I offered are legitamate ways of advantage to certain boxing styles.(ringsize & glove types)

Ralph ,I saw Hamed fight about 11 times live and I tell everyone that he was truly amazing. He was like a piece of rubber. Bending backwards, fighters unable to land a glove on him. What he did to S Robbinson in Cardiff was awesome. Remembering Robbinson had destroyed all other opposition and Hamed had moved up a weight.
This albeit was in his early career when he was hungry, then came the money and the decline.
Id said to friends he shouldnt fight Barrera but Id fancy him against Morrales.
Barrera's work rate was to much and I told everyone I thought Hamed would lose.

Really hope Amir Khan doesnt follow suit, time will tell 

Yea, I suppose when alot of money rides on it, the promoter/managers will be willing to do whatever it takes.

Actually I liked Robinson a lot and fancied him to run Hamed close.

He was never the same after that fight.

I also was a big fan of Hamed, I said that he was the best prospect that I'd ever seen !

But he never went on, and clearly thought that he knew it all.

One of the most entertaining fights was against Kevin Kelly. Ended in R4, but alot of action before that.

Did anyone watch 'The Contender' when it was on? What a programme! Now thats boxing! All quite evenly matched no dodging fights! Fantasic stuff! Best fight must have been Alfonso v ... whoever! Is this fight live? Im thinking it can't be at 2 in the a.m.!

Yes it live. Its at this time due to US TV timings

No, its live.
Scheduled at this time for the American audience.

Cheers! But it's in Manchester (I think)! Madness! American TV must be paying a mint to have them fight in the middle of the night!

They even got Jimmy Lennon Junior the ring announcer

He works for Showtime Tv, hence his catchphrase " Its SHOOOOOWTIME!!!!!!!!!! "

Prefer Michael Buffers "Lets get ready to RUMBLE !!!!" myself

 Mikky Vann was one of the judges during the first fight tonight.  In most of the Hatton fights I have seen on TV, Vann was the ref

Forgot to include this bit.  Is Jimmy Lennon Junior originally from England?   someone told me this recently

Hope Terry Oconnor is not refereing, worst ever Ref IMHO. Never seen him give the correct result as a Ref or a judge

Is that the guy from the Williams and Skelton fight?

he was a clown

YES. The decisions he gave over the years have been diabolical

He must know the right people.

enjoy the fight everyone. I am off to watch it, i have a cold becks and some fried rice waitng with my name on them.

should be a good fight.

i just hope calzaghe can do it

Hope Joe Cortez is the ref. He never hardly stops any fight :D

Just seen some of Lacys build up. He would give you nightmares. Still fancy Joe for the win though

Im telling ya, Lacy is awesome

Calzaghe has to be really quick and smart in this

heres hoping they both live and none of them get brain damage ;goodluck;

Very important point, Mad. 

Glad it isn't the Williams vs Skelton ref

Calzaghe is doing the business

Nice round for Joe

i cant help feeling sorry for lacy

Just what the doctor ordered.

Great start, just hope he dont keep on show boating.

round 3 another 2 point round for Calzaghe

It could be worse, Mad.  It could be Joe you were feeling sorry for.  I hope that doesn't happen.  I just hope he can keep it up

keep it up joe

just dont knock him out

joe is bloody taking him apart!!

So far this is the best I have seen Joe fight

He is destroying him, really chuffed but i feel a little let down by lacy's showing

great to see the boxer beating the fighter

 ;iagree; ;iagree; ;iagree;

I don't like Joe dropping his hands so much

lacey is completely stunned

This is a master piece of boxing.

i think they should stop it now

the ref could have stopped it there

im worried my bat looks dodgy now, i need lacy to hang in there


its starting to look like a mismatch...lol

 ;iagree; I put a £5 on each round between 7 and 11 for Joe, got 40-1 for each. Stop the fight!!!! :D

They should pull lacy out now

nooooo

i need it to go the distance

he's still defending himself, wht stop it?

exactly ;iagree;

he can't see them coming now, stop it

it feels like cruelty now

CMON JOE!!!

referee man, get in there

yeah ok

it should have been stopped

 ;letsparty; ;letsparty; ;letsparty; ;letsparty; ;letsparty;

YES!!!! ;letsparty; ;letsparty; ;letsparty; ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; ;cheerleader; ;applause; ;applause; ;applause; :respect: :respect: :respect:, ref should  have stopped it in  the 11th  though

what do you reckon?
split decision :D
Well done Joe, total domination.
Ref shoulda stopped it though, that fella could have been hurt.

What a fight.

Is that the best british performance ever?

 ;karabiner;

no

119 105
119 107
WOW!!!!!!

Nice one Raab

its up there with honegan v curry, and mcguigan v pedrosa

Best fight ive seen for ages
gutted the ref took that point off would of been 120 all round

think the USA will give him the respect he deserves now 

Bollocks to the U.S.A,  The UK s the only place for world class boxers.

Wow! Talk about eating your words! Take a bow Joe Calzaghe!  ;tightend; Did it count as a match though! I mean really, Joe got hit a couple of times, if even! He'd get battered worse in training!

ok folks im off to bed now so i can be up for the rerun

if u didnt see the fight watch the rerun.

then off to cincins to give my winnings to the sharks

night all

Fantastic display by Calzaghe. I thought the ref could have stopped it at the end but when its a unification bout they tend to let them go on.
 I really hope Lacey has no long standing damage after that beating.Other great fights of this standing ended in tragedy( Benn & Mcclellan, Eubank & Watson) . If that wouldnt have happened those 2 fights would remembered as some of the greatest fights in Britain.

night raab


my bed is also calling me. I am off to get my beauty sleep  :-)

great nights entertainment, a small amount of beer ( I am a light weight) and world class sport. What more could a guy want. ohh sorry, Mad, or a girl want...lol

good night folks

EDIT- I do hope lacy is ok.

Excellent performance from Joe, Totally outclass him, that was just as good as Winky vs Trinidad, PBF vs Gatti.

Best boxer P4P in britain by a mile. Thought the ref should of stopped it in the 11th though ;)

Ahem  :D :D

 ;scarymoment;

It would be great if Calzaghe fought Markus Beyer (WBC Super Middleweight Champion) and then retired the undisputed World Super Middleweight Champion of the world. However, I predict him either going for a fight with Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones JR or Jermaine Taylor after the Beyer fight which would be in the Autumn.

Although, it could be written in his contract that he has to fight Lacy again.

I thought about the Jones fight as a possibility, Nemesis. I know Jones is suppose to be fighting Bernard Hopkins. So after that, Who knows?

One things for sure. The Americans will take Calzaghe seriously now

I feel robbed.  That fight should have been stopped in the 7th, 8th or 9th - if only so my bet would have come up! 8)

On a serious note though Calzaghe was immense. 

Should he step up?

He really needs to get that hand properly sorted out before he even thinks of moving up,

he said he hurt it again in the 8th and moving up a level he will have to hit a little harder than he normally has too.

But on that performance he would have little trouble at that level....if fully healed.

No. He could, but he's 33 now, get the Kessler and Beyer fights and then retire.

i reckon he will fight kessler, another good showing there and he can look for the big money fight with jones or more likely tarver.

then he can retire a very rich man win or lose

Kessler would be a tougher fight than Beyer. But after last nights performance he can take on anyone.

I think he should stay where he is.

And retire an a unified champion.  But Calzaghe hasn't had as many big paydays as other boxers and I think he is chasing a few big purses.

He mentioned something last night about taking on Antonio Tarver - now that would indeed me a cracking fight.  I don't think Calzaghe has the power to box in a heavier division, I think he is more of a worker and would need to win every round in a heavier division or he would be picked off by a big puncher.

Antonio Tarver is fighting Bernard Hopkins on 10/06/06. Maybe the winnner of that bout. Both of them are old men 37/41 and way past their best. He should aviod Jermaine Taylor, who is fighting Sam Soliman in April and then Ronald Wright in June.

I don't think we will need to worry about Lacy invoking the rematch!!!

Tarver is like Lewis, he picks up later on when others are sloping. No way is Tarver an old man.

Id love to see Joe get the WBA and WBC belts from Beyer.

After last nights display I don't think we will see any of them queuing up for a shot at Calzaghe.  I'd like to see him fight Tarver, and I'd be piling on Calzaghe again.

Tessler has the WBA belt.

Hey Nem is that you over at boxrec ?

Yes Sir, I've been a Boxrec fan for over a year now, but I've never visted the forum untill yesterday.

What a fight. My hat is off to Calzaghe I never thought him that good.

With some of the sentiments earlier in this thread I do rate Calzaghe with the golden era boys it's just unfortunate he never got to test himself against them in their prime.

IMO it's

Jones Jr
Eubank
Calzaghe
Collins
Benn

I would put them in this order

Jones Jr
Calzaghe
Collins
Eubank
Benn

Jones
Calzaghe
Toney
Michalczewski
Eubank

what no hearns,hagler, duran or sugar ray?

in recent times

Collins was a true warrior, but truly felt he never wanted to fight Calzaghe. Hence retirement,never understood why?

I may be wrong, but he may have had a head injury.  I remember an interview with him about 4 years ago. He said he was advised by doctors to retire.

Think that was when he attempted a comeback, may be wrong.
But when Calzaghe came onto the scene Collins never seemed enthusiastic about fighting him.

Yea, I think you are right

"what no hearns,hagler, duran or sugar ray?"

They were all prime at middleweight or below.

Yeah - my rankings on those guys were at Supermiddle. (12st)

Jones

Toney

Calzaghe

Eubank (pre watson)

Collins (only lost on points)

Its hard to compare boxers from different eras, but for me

Sugar Ray , his record speaks for itself.

Leonard or Robinson? Although both of them made their name at lower weights not at Super Middleweight. IMO They both would have been eaten alive by Roy Jones JR

Robinson, of course. :)

He might have made his name at welterweight, but his middleweight record is still formidable.

I class Robinson as a Welterweight/Middleweight and his record is very good, but Marvin Hagler is the greatest Middleweight, with the best record, even better than the legend Robinson.

monzon pips hagler for me   just

He has a good record but did he fight any of the greats?

unbeaten for 13 years

undisputed champ for 7yrs

emile grffiths and valdez were great

though ask me again tomorrow and i might say hagler