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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: 99 sb in a turbo
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on: December 30, 2010, 11:36:40 PM
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you do realise there is a difference between effective STACKS and effective BIG BLINDS right?
I do not. please educate  Effective stacks are as you said. Effective big blinds are used pre flop in push/fold mode to decide if a shove is +EV or not. They are different from normal BB's in that they factor in the ante. Say you have 3000 chips (15 actual BB's) at 100/200 + ante, when you factor in the antes the true big blind might be more like 150/300 giving you an effective 10BB stack instead of 15BB's. Adjust your push/fold range accordingly. In this hand on the flop both players were 20BB deep when OP decided to lead out
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: 99 sb in a turbo
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on: December 28, 2010, 10:00:08 AM
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first off the question was "how do I play flop". Bet/x suck as lines given information. So if someones asking for advice point out what you would do differently, don't validate a mistake and say you'd bet/x.... 16bb effective on the flop
effective BB's should only be used to determine if a pre flop shove is +EV or not..
? This makes no sense - Effective stack  ? in a HU situation = the value of the smaller stack /topic you do realise there is a difference between effective STACKS and effective BIG BLINDS right?
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: 99 sb in a turbo
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on: December 27, 2010, 10:21:27 AM
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lol, no. lets not forget that understand all this we're in a $4 tournament 16bb effective on the flop
effective BB's should only be used to determine if a pre flop shove is +EV or not. As soon as the pot is opened or a flop seen we revert back to regualr BB's and eff BB's no longer applies. So effective stacks for both players are 20+bb's on the flop. Agree I'm not saying bet get it in isn't an option, just an option to bin off pretty easily vs rando $4 donk fishs. It allows him to play more perfectly and fold weaker and call better. c/c bluff catching at least 1 bullet is a pretty standard line here and it easily outweighs b/f and b/ai imo. In my experience not many fish would CR that flop as a naked bluff most of the time and I suspect 99 is no good so I'm folding without reads. If you lead out you allow vil to fold worse inc his bluffs and call with better (not great for a 99 on that flop). If you bet fold and vil is bluffing its a huge error. If you c/c you keep this OOP pot smaller & keep vills range widest. Bare in mind any scary turn or overcards should also slow him down, if it doesn't then you can ask yourself if he's FOS and if his flop bet makes sense given the run out of the board and the action?? If he barrels twice on the turn he likely has it but I expect most $4 fish to be checking turn through.
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: 99 sb in a turbo
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on: December 26, 2010, 06:03:32 AM
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No I think jamming is an option. and most liekly the right one
is this a level? i'd say b/f>c/c>b/c vs unknown $4 reg
i'd say "such a waste". Good luck with that buddy
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: 99 sb in a turbo
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on: December 25, 2010, 12:59:50 PM
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at this level check flop is pretty standard. bluff catching at least one bullet is a better line here.
bet folding a hand like 99 is effectively turning it into a bluff
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: some really interesting very big value ICM spots
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on: October 19, 2010, 06:18:00 AM
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Outrage - when breaking down ICM you need stack sizes and pay jumps... so just to make it easier for people
Exact stack count posted just before QQ hand at 10min 30 seconds, hand happens after. Cliffs run away chip leader 15mil and everyone else between 1 - 2.5mil
Payout as follows Place € $ 1 1,700,000 2,210,000 2 1,000,000 1,300,000 3 700,000 910,000 4 500,000 650,000 5 400,000 520,000 6 300,000 390,000 7 200,000 260,000 8 140,000 182,000 PLAYER ELIMATED
bad fold.
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Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Pet peeves with dealing procedures/habits
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on: September 19, 2010, 03:58:38 AM
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had a dealer at Gala call clock on me after a max 1.30 min tank facing large river bet. Tilted the fuck out of me because he thought he was being "cool?" by doing it. Also had a dealer say "ooo blinds are up. this is the level everyone steals at with trash" when I have my 12BB stack in the middle with A3o and a donk strongly considering calling me.
Dealers should be seen but not heard imo.
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Interesting Live Tell Hand..
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on: September 18, 2010, 08:54:46 PM
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I'm still green with live tells.
I guess his mass of chips could be an intimidation thing in which case strong=weak ===CALL.
Could also be a rouse to say check out this attractive mass of chips you could win in this pot == FOLD.
Just from the hand alone I'd call, the interpretation of the tells do nothing to sway me away from a call.
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Interesting hand with James Keys in the DTD £300 deepstack
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on: September 18, 2010, 05:51:09 AM
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OK so I think up to the river my hand plays itself. IIRC I actually had Q7dd so the open is fine too  Then on the river I decided that you were capable of having a bluff. The argument that I don't know you is a valid one, however I stereotyped you pretty early as someone young, wearing a hoody, headphones and sunglasses, and you looked comfortable with live poker, playing with your chips, paying blinds unprompted, watching other players for tells etc. Also you had already had a short conversation with Alex from DTD (sick brag) which, although I didn't listen in over my headphones, tells me at the very least that you probably play a bit of poker online. So... if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck etc etc, i.e. you are probably good+aggressive. The fact that we've never played before and you had been quite quiet up until this point I think makes it more likely you will make a big bluff, because you're thinking that you ought to be deserving of some respect (maybe caution is a better word, I don't disrespect you by calling) The hands I figured you might 'bluff' (some/all of these are not bluffs on the flop obv) are pair+up and down (35, 57, 67), 2 overs+up and down (97, T7, J7, maybe A7), 2 overs + gutshot (89, 8T, 8J). Along similar lines you could say pair+gutshot (58, 68) is possible but I think 58 folds pre and 68 check-calls flop most of the time. So combined with your value range of  that got there (47, 34), full houses and flopped straights, I figured I beat more than I didn't beat, or at least near enough to make the pot odds I was getting, and called. Also there were one or two small live-tells that I don't want to say on a public forum for obvious reasons. I obviously considered the shove but tbh in the moment I struggled to work out the maths of it. I think this is the most interesting part of the hand and would like to hear people's thoughts. At the time I figured I needed to work out roughly the ratio of hands that call a shove to hands that fold to a shove and have me beat, the number of hands I actually beat is irrelevant because it's the same result, does this seem right? And then that ratio needs to be greater than the amount of the shove compared to the amount in the pot for a shove to be better? The shove would have been an extra 3.5k I think and the pot would have had about 10k in. The hands I beat that fold are imo 65 (although this almost hand is no different to 76, people often play the same hands differently depending on how they got there, so I would expect most villains to check this on the river), 67 57 A7 and 35, total of about 42 combos. The hands that call a shove are 78 66 55 44 45 46 47 43, or about 48 combos. Doesn't actually even look close tbh, shove is probably way the better option, although I would weight the hands on the right as much more likely to show up in villain's range than those on the left. Also I think I would have been left with 4k if i was wrong and called, whereas if I was wrong and shoved, I would have been left with 500 chips. At the time tho I just thought there's too much to work out here and basically in the end I decided I would call because I can muck if I'm wrong and noone will be any the wiser (unless he has A7) but I have to show my hand and look like a donk if I shove into the nuts. NB: My memory of the hand is that the board ran out 456 K 4, which I think is pretty crucial to my reasoning. However I could be misremembering I guess. printed out and going on my wall. vvvv nice poaaast
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Whats ur play
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on: September 18, 2010, 05:50:13 AM
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its a go from me.
Pretty much what longy said. 55's would be a fold and 66's the bottom of my go range with this stack in this position.... in most dynamics. Range looks good too, personally I got KQo, QJs, KJs in there too.
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Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: WSOPE Monopoly
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on: September 17, 2010, 11:03:10 PM
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haha sick idea.
OT but I've been wracking my brain on this since I saw the thread. Does anyone remeber a brittish movie (think it was around the 80's) based on a monopoly-esque baord game. Had someone like a dennis waterman/tony slattery in it. They play a mock high stakes monopoly rip off game?? Did I imagine it
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Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: AQ OOP in the $1k WCOOP
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on: September 17, 2010, 02:51:00 AM
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1 thing I don't like is his bet sizing. He's played it as if he's never folding by getting 50% of it in by the turn and setting up a nice river shove.
Having said that I still think I prolly call, c/c river largely because we're so under repped. If hes got AK or KK then its just a sick set up imo and time to double this shortie up.
He's only got 30 odd BB's add start of hand so I would rule out all J10's from his UTG range given how tight you say he's been playing. AJ, A10 as pairs with semi draws, maybe even an KQ/A9s 2 pair.
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