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1  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Flopped Nut Flush / River Pairs / Gutshot Straight Flush on: February 14, 2011, 01:54:40 PM
How do you get all these hands?

Other than 3 I had a very boring night to be fair, most of the action happened between 2.30am and 4ish with people getting beered up and me getting bored of my limited song choice on iPod
2  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Flopped Nut Flush / River Pairs / Gutshot Straight Flush on: February 14, 2011, 12:32:26 PM
ANOTHER HAND FROM ABOUT A HOUR OR SO LATER

We have just doubled up with KK V AA through previously mentioned donk and are sitting at £750

You have: 

UTG HERO - (Has a good image, only shown down some good hands but also been active with out showdown): £6
UTG + 1 - (ROCK as previously discussed): Call
BB - (Really talkative guy, playing alot of hands, pretty smashed): £18

HERO AND + 1 call (Should I raise here to £50ish?)

POT: £55

Flop:



UTG HERO - £32
UTG + 1 - CALLS
BB - raises to £110 leaving £60 behind?

With the rock still to act is this a fold? Is it a fold with out anyone else to act?
3  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Flopped Nut Flush / River Pairs / Gutshot Straight Flush on: February 13, 2011, 07:58:44 PM
 

Then tells me he would of got the lot in on the turn anyway... pratt.

Its cool, I stacked him with KK v AA... he was sure happy

4  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Flopped Nut Flush / River Pairs / Gutshot Straight Flush on: February 13, 2011, 06:40:38 PM
I then call... He had Aces...

Wow. Im shocked, I still wouldnt be able to pass over the way the hand has played in spite of the live tell, people react physically to different things in different ways, until I know how I tend to take live reads with a punch of salt unless they blatenty obvious.

You cant really accomodate for such random spackiness tbf

I only won the side pot!
5  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Re: Flopped Nut Flush / River Pairs / Gutshot Straight Flush on: February 13, 2011, 05:28:41 PM
Quick response, Im interested in more opinions on how others would of played it also.

I kept part of the hand back to see if people thought it was a call or fold. This then happened.

After tanking up for a while must of been a good 5 / 6 minutes the ROCK, announced clock on me (which in a cash game really annoys me) and started to look really agitated, kept looking down at his chips and then seemed to start counting in his head (lips moving and pointing at his stack and fingers and stuff), couldnt work out if this was a sign of insecurity of not.

I then someone how got it into my head the ROCK does not have a house.

What are peoples thoughts on this being a tell of weekness / insecurity on your hand out of interest?

I then call... He had Aces...

What does the fish have?

6  Poker Forums / Poker Hand Analysis / Flopped Nut Flush / River Pairs / Gutshot Straight Flush on: February 13, 2011, 01:18:55 PM
Venue: G Casino, Piccadilly / LSQ
Game: £1/£1

Been sitting playing for around 7 hours, it is nearly 3am in the morning and the game has had the same members since around 12 o'clock. The game is playing more like a £1/£2/£5 game, there is a straddle nearly every hand except for one guy who doesnt believe in straddling. The smallest stack is around £100, The biggest stack is £800 (button), your sitting with £480 and your in for £180 (£100 buy in and £80 top up after losing 80% of first stack).

You have: 

UTG - (has been raising nearly every other hand, sitting with £250): £8
Cut off - Hero (playing very slowly and quite tight due to others at the table doing alot of raising pre £480): £28
Button - (played 5 hands I can remember seeing, the worst being pocket tens on a low board and paired board and show down, £800): Calls
Straddle - (must be about £400 down and is playing every hand now has about £300): Calls

POT: £112

Flop:

 

Straddle - Check
UTG - Check / Fold
Hero - Check
Button - £60

Hero (should I be raising here or is it making my hand too obvious) and Straddle (sigh) then Calls

Pot: £292

Turn: 



Straddle - Check
Hero - Check
Button - Check

I know I should be betting here but was hoping the button would bet so I can check raise all-in

River: 



Straddle - Check
Hero - £100 (what are peoples views on the amount?
Button - All in
Straddle - (tanks for about 3 or 4 minutes and calls)

What do we do here?

We have £188 of a £480ish stack in the pot, The button who is a ROCK has me covered, im not really to bothered about the straddler, putting him on a J or 4 card flush but not a house or straight flush, with the its the rock im worried about.

Pot total is around £1250 total if we call

Ill put up the result in a while






7  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Cash Game Question / Ruling on: February 05, 2011, 02:17:08 PM
shitty trick is going a bit far as op obv didn't know the rule. wouldn't change how pissed off I'd be though

So even if the dealer is saying all night, keep your cards and chips behind the line or otherwise the chips are in the pot or your cards are folded?

8  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Cash Game Question / Ruling on: February 05, 2011, 02:13:03 PM
if I was the other guy in the hand I'd be abs steaming with you trying to get my hand ruled dead
Agree, shitty trick.

Don't really see how myself. The dealer kept saying if your hand is over the line its folded, so i dont see the difference myself?
9  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Cash Game Question / Ruling on: February 05, 2011, 02:00:58 PM
22 + 32 + 206 = 260. What happened to the other 90 quid in your stack?

The betting line is for betting and the muck is for mucked hands.

If his cards touched the muck then the pot is yours, otherwise ruling is fine.

However, if there's no proper td or person able to give sufficient rulings, prob not clever to play there.

One time be jaydea

He only had another £140 more to call in his stack. Leaving me with £98 behind.

Its the first issue I have had there in about 3 months of playing there once or twice a week.
10  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Cash Game Question / Ruling on: February 05, 2011, 01:24:44 PM
Pritty much what everything gatso said.

But what is classed as the muck?  if hes thrown his cards face down into a pile of other cards then its definetley dead, orginall OP states villiam throws his cards and they touch the board, is this classed as a muck?

That is what I thought? He has thrown his cards in face down

one crosses the line, other goes in and touche the board?
11  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Cash Game Question / Ruling on: February 05, 2011, 01:15:56 PM
correct ruling, you lose. the line has nothing to do with mucking, it's a betting line

his cards haven't touched the muck so they're live

If cards don't touch the muck they're live

So what is the point in having a betting line.

I musta been wrong then, OK. Thanks for the replies!

for betting. if chips go over the line they're in play
12  Poker Forums / The Rail / Re: Cash Game Question / Ruling on: February 05, 2011, 01:11:50 PM
If cards don't touch the muck they're live

So what is the point in having a betting line?

Also his cards 1 was over the line, the other was touching the flop?
13  Poker Forums / The Rail / Cash Game Question / Ruling on: February 05, 2011, 01:06:05 PM
Good Afternoon All,

I have read blonde for a long time but never posted or signed up but decided to after a cash hand from last night which has really confused me / grated me.

I am sure I am in the right, but also does not help a casino running 2 cash tables does not have a experienced poker manager to make a ruling.

Location: G Casino (Piccadilly / Leicester Sq) - Been playing here for a while as the game is soft to say the least.
Game: £1/£1

I bought in for £100 and got stacked in the 2nd hand and bought back in for £200, after about 30 minutes I had grinded up for £350 and then this happened.

Pre Flop

UTG (Raises to £6 every hand) - Makes it £6
Cut off - Calls
Hero on the button makes it £22 to go with -
UTG - Calls
Cut off - Folds

Flop

  Two Diamonds

UTG - £6 again
Hero makes - £32
UTG - Calls

Turn

 

UTG - £66

Hes very loose and could always have a flush here but i genuinely don't think he does, so I shove for about £140 more. He now tanks up for what seemed like an age. He eventually calls

River

  (sigh)

At this point I declare a set of Jacks, He said Queens and mucks (cards over the line touching the board), He then went "Oh No, I had 2 red Queens, so I had the flush I win, he grabbed his cards back and flipped them over trying to claim the pot, This point I just start laughing knowing any card room manager who has seen on camera or been told by the dealer someone has mucked there hand over the line and then take them back will declare there hand dead weather it is best of not.

The dealer attempts to pass the post to him, I then say wait I want a ruling that is the worst decision I have ever seen and some of the worst behaviour I have ever seen at a poker table, at this point he has stacked the chips up put them in his stack and is trying to get the dealer to deal. I have to litrally not give her my 2 cards to stop the next hand happening and make her leave the board and both hands out.

After 10 minutes the casino pit boss manager comes over who said he knows nothing about poker but declares if he had a flush he had it weather he put his cards over the line or not (i then asked WHY is there a line then he just went errrrrrrrrrr) and wins the pot even though everyone around the table is telling him its wrong and the guy who won the pot is wrong.

At this point I ask them to ring the Vic for a ruling (being same group) and they REFUSE, saying his ruling his final (even though stating he knows nothing about poker)

I'm may come across bitter it has just massively annoyed me...

What would people be asking to happen when this happens? Would you make a complaint?....

To make it worse he then gives me a epic rub down Sad



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