As recreational player I recognise what Neil is saying and it is nothing to do with being a pro, you get the same idiots in all games, no matter what level you are playing.

These people simply don't see the damage they do to the game, being unable to see beyond the opinion they hold of themselves,  But discouraging a once a week player from continuing to participate in simple terms removes  52 customers from what should be considered your 'market' a year.

The idiots don't need to entertain, simply be civil,

All I know is as described in the OP, and as described I revert to the actions as previously described.

Got to admit if I was the Asian guy in this instance I would simply have picked up my chips and headed for the door,all the while assaulting anyone who tried to stop me with groin high Kung Fu kicks and straight fingered throat punches. What occured had nothing to do with poker, it was straight up robbery, aided and abetted by the Rio.

[she wasn't given the opportunity to make the call.]

Her action had been taken away from her, she wasn't given the opportunity to make the call.

It may appear fair to the guy making the mistake, but it was the complete opposite to the utg.

She was also not given the opportunity to fold to the all-in.

You are quite right, but at least she should have been given the opportunity.  An opportunity that was through no fault of her own denied her.

My view is that all the benefits of this decision fell for the all in guy.

He put all of his chips into the pot, he mucked his own cards, he was given most of his chips back, he forfeited 2BB, when if fact it should have been a minimum of 3.  He made the mistake and got the benefits of the decision. 

She lost all ability to continue in the hand, which indirectly impacts on the remaining players as well.

Her action had been taken away from her, she wasn't given the opportunity to make the call.

It may appear fair to the guy making the mistake, but it was the complete opposite to the utg.

I think the ruling was wrong, it may be harsh but the person suffering the biggest loss of equity in the hand was the original raiser, and she had done nothing wrong.

Worst case he should have lost 90k, he was raising so a min raise should have been enforced.

Ultimately this type of thing will see this event removed from the schedule, benefiting no one.

The womans event does not discriminate as no man is worse off by not playing.

There may be a perceived lack of equality, but women have put up with this for years.

Men who play this game are simply idiots, with no idea of what this game is about.

Our local G will only open new tables for 4 or more, national rule by all accounts.

Wouldn't wish the cardroom at Aspers Newcastle on anyone at the minute, totally wasted facility.

Only mistake here is showing the AK, gives the haters something to latch onto.

Dont know you, but very well done on your cash, enjoy it.

I think that the investors can talk all they like about the strategy to take and approaches to adopt to try and get their money back, but I'm 100% sure it is not going to happen.

The IVA is the key, if this is still live, the the kid has breached the terms and it is very likely that this will come to the notice of the IVA supervisor one way or another, who will then very likely apply for the kids Bankruptcy, and because of the conditions surrounding the case it is equally likely that he will have an extended bankruptcy order of up to 15 years.
This will give the Trustee in Bankruptcy 15 years to recover his creditors money.

I feel however that it is unlikely that any of the investors will be classed as creditors for this purpose unless they obtain a court order against him for the amount owed.

In hindsight this is a typical scam, as many of you will recognise, and I am sure some of you suspected from the outset.

I really feel for the investors and his friends.


GL All

Got to admit this thread is a little surprising, some of the vitriol that has been directed at the Dean (who I know nothing about other than he is a writer ) has, IMHO been well out of order.

So what if he was trying to promote his work? he needs to sell so promotion is what writers do.  Making claims that a certain book is a 'landmark' is not uncommon amongst writers and publishers, key words are inserted to many descriptions of many products to give them an image, and hopefully to catch the public's attention.

Trying to discredit the guy on a public forum for no real reason other than to make yourself feel good is well out of order.  It has in my opinion been just like the schoolyard bully (camel) picking on the new kid whilst being cheered on by the rest of his class.

There are numerous ways of raising any questions you may have before going public, without laying them out as bait for the mob.

Dissapointing.

He was giving out advice that was innacurate, poorly thought out and in some cases downright dangerous for a new player to follow. If his strategy advice was decent, he would not have been called up on in this manner about minor things like a poor writing style or over pomping himself and his abilities/achievements.

If anyone comes onto this online community and starts giving out bad advice, the knowledgable people who frequent this forum will pipe in and explain why they think what is being said is wrong. If you think the purpose of this peer review process is purely to make ourselves feel better then I suspect your read may be off.

My read may be a little off, and I dont have a problem with peoples contribution to any forum being challenged and questioned.  The issue i have is the  level of personal abuse that is raised.  i am not saying that The dean did not fan the flames a little himself, and I am equally disappointed with his response to a similar thing on another forum, but I feel that far too many forum members are too quick to jump on a bandwagon and create and atmosphere that is pure hostility.

We should be a little more inclined to judge a player by the man he is, not the man by the player he is perceived to be.

Got to admit this thread is a little surprising, some of the vitriol that has been directed at the Dean (who I know nothing about other than he is a writer ) has, IMHO been well out of order.

So what if he was trying to promote his work? he needs to sell so promotion is what writers do.  Making claims that a certain book is a 'landmark' is not uncommon amongst writers and publishers, key words are inserted to many descriptions of many products to give them an image, and hopefully to catch the public's attention.

Trying to discredit the guy on a public forum for no real reason other than to make yourself feel good is well out of order.  It has in my opinion been just like the schoolyard bully (camel) picking on the new kid whilst being cheered on by the rest of his class.

There are numerous ways of raising any questions you may have before going public, without laying them out as bait for the mob.

Dissapointing.

Name and year of birth for me. Very complex.

[sums the Brits up perfectly]

I think this thread sums the Brits up perfectly, find fault in our own as soon as someone starts to do well.

Well played I say, never a slow roll.

Bit of an overgeneralisation don't you think as only one person was finding any fault?

Yeah well maybe your right, just a little frustrating that a thread focuses on a perceived slow roll,  rather than the achievement.