Live Tourney exit hand - Would you play it differently?

[Royal Flush]

Yes you're right, and i do agree with you and in the long run you will obviously make a lot more money than you'd lose against Ace Five. I Just wouldnt want to take any risks on the final table when you only have around 7k left, because any Ace or King on the flop and you're hand may well be destroyed.

If you had 12,000 plus it was just a raise of course, but by going all in with 7,000 you would buy the 1,500 and therefore have a couple more rounds.

Idont think that there is really a "correct play" here, its more down to individual interpretation.

Couple more rounds for what? To find a big hand? Like....hmmm...QQ, lol.

[Lee]

Gotta agree with JD here, you need to understand the odds of you being dealt something else you consider playable in the time you have.

I agree with JD on maximising here too, the table or your opponents can dictate the best method. I advocate either the all-in or the limp here, its the raise i dont like. The raise tells your opponent you will be calling all in whatever anyway, so it in fact says the same story as going all-in, yet they think you might have a hand and be trying to get people in with you to build the pot.

Betting half your stack gives more info on your hand than an all in does, all-ins generally look very weaker at this stage and disguise your hand a little.

Couple more rounds and you've soon gotta put your chips on the line with A9 suited or J8, at the very best. Winning chips with a hand is much easier and much more likely the better it is.

[SupaMonkey]

The raise tells your opponent you will be calling all in whatever anyway

I think the implied odds here may encourage weaker hands to call. i.e. they have position on you and they think they are getting 7000 if they hit the flop and losing 3500 if they miss yet unless they have a-k they are making a mistake by calling. Surely this is what you want.

I think this is about the weakest hand (in this situation) i would pull this manoeuvre with. Usually i would be all in or fold.

[Lee]

I think the implied odds here may encourage weaker hands to call. i.e. they have position on you and they think they are getting 7000 if they hit the flop and losing 3500 if they miss yet unless they have a-k they are making a mistake by calling. Surely this is what you want.

I think this is about the weakest hand (in this situation) i would pull this manoeuvre with. Usually i would be all in or fold.

With a short stack in for half his stack in EP, i think one of the last things people are thinking about is implied odds.

If a caller puts 3500 in to win 7000 possibly or can fold if he misses, this is neutral EV. Neutral EV isn't a very good proposition here, calling in with rags for "implied odds" doesn't make any sense here for me. You will miss the flop 2/3 times in poker so if you are calling 3500 3 times, 2 times you will miss and lose 7000, one time you will win and win 7000. If i said give me £1.00 and flip a coin, if it comes down heads i will give you £1.00 back and if it comes tails i will give you £1.00 back, would you ever bother playing with me?

If someone has AK here and calls, do you think they would fold to an all in off the short stack? they are getting 3/1 on their money and they might even be ahead anyway. Plus AK needs to see all 5 cards to maximise its strength, so AK will want to see the river.

Position is also negated here completely against the short stack, we have position in poker to see what our opponents do before us, if we know what our opponent is going to do here (95% of short stacks at least will push in here, the other 5% are just plain crazy betting half their stack to fold on the flop), then position is nothing.

[SupaMonkey]

Sorry, i should have said 7000 plus the blinds. 7000 plus the blinds gives him a net profit of 500 chips. You right though, people aren't thinking about implied odds but they will think 'if i call and hit i get the rest of his chips as well'.

Do you think the A-5 would have called if he went all in, that was really my point. I think a wider range of hands call this raise than an all in.

[Lee]

Its all situational. In this structure with these stacks and blinds, A5h is massive, top pair, 2 pair, nut flush and wheel all possible, it's a bigger hand than it looks. If someone would call my raise for half my stack, then i expect them to call the other half too. Main point is to make a decision and know WHY you are doing it. With QQ here make the decision, do i want to gamble a bit, by limping and possibly increasing my stack to an amount whereby i can win this, or do i want to just take the blinds and within 5 or 10 minutes be back in the shit again, desperately needing another hand.

This is why i hate the bet personally in this situ, im gambling and limping or i'm pushing in to get a call off AK AQ JJ TT etc. The middle ground (the half stack bet) leaves you in no mans land and signifies far more strength than you want to. All-ins with high blinds and short stacks are the norm and often portray much weaker holdings.