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« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2007, 05:48:02 PM »

I dislike `double chance' tournaments with a passion. I am also very surprised with comments regarding `gambling' with the initial chips and then topping
up if it goes pear-shaped. This is surely a big tactical error. By only taking the smaller allocation of chips you are rarely deep enough or have the `implied' odds to
be splashing about early. However, if everyone took the full chip allocation then it is most often justified to mess about with a % of your stack. These double chance events
are generally in the £300-£500 range and are simply in place to help the bad players. They also do not give players the experience of deep stacked `proper' poker that they will be forced to play if they move up to
the £1k-£5k range.

.......This is surely a big tactical error......

That's depends on a number of variables.

......are simply in place to help the bad players.....

You really think the Venues had the nouce to say "hmm, what about the BAD players, let's find something for them"? I think not!

Presumably I qualify, as I play as many of them as I can, but in reality, I just like to play D-C Tourneys because they are usually well-structured (by my definition of "well-structured") & most DC's are. I play both DC & non DC, & personally, I've not noticed that the composition of the field is any different. That's because it's not. The same players play BOTH formats.  So only some of the players are "bad".......Wink

Given that in most Venues we can take the second tranche immediately, the difference between DC & "normal" is not much, in truth.

.........They also do not give players the experience of deep stacked `proper' poker that they will be forced to play if they move up tothe £1k-£5k range......

That may in fact be true - I know that if there were well-structured deep-stack "normal" Tourneys availble every day, I'd play them every day. But there are not. As to the £1k to £5k range of Tourneys, well, I can live with them or without them. My skillset is better suited to the lower buy-in range, so increasingly that is where I play my poker, & that goes for many others. You never know, but eventually the idea of looking for value may catch on. Until then, more & more players will chase the big boom paydays available in EPT's & GUKPT's, but how many will make a profit in them?
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« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2007, 06:35:57 PM »

i always take my double chance straight away because, if someone else on the table gets their's early aswell and we get involved in a hand, i want to get paid off the max. they are just like straight freezouts for me. Imo a lot of players make errors gambling too much with their initial stack.
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« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2007, 06:38:34 PM »

i always take my double chance straight away because, if someone else on the table gets their's early aswell and we get involved in a hand, i want to get paid off the max. they are just like straight freezouts for me. Imo a lot of players make errors gambling too much with their initial stack.

If the others take their second-tranche at the outset, then you must take yours.
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« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2007, 06:43:20 PM »

i always take my double chance straight away because, if someone else on the table gets their's early aswell and we get involved in a hand, i want to get paid off the max. they are just like straight freezouts for me. Imo a lot of players make errors gambling too much with their initial stack.

If the others take their second-tranche at the outset, then you must take yours.

Just listen for the cries of "Tranche please"
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« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2007, 07:43:30 PM »

i personally prefer double chance freezeouts, mainly because i dont want to travel an hour or two to go out 1st hand and drive all the way back like walsall this weekend i travelled down there to play the montly one if i didnt have the 2nd chance i would of been leaveing with-in an hour and half when my kk got busted by 67/68/JQ/45  i also prefer them because i like the option of being able to play alot of hands early doors and have the knowledge that if i do get looked up i can come back in with plently of chips compared to the blinds i do think that the double chance should be limited to the first 2 levels though because getting it on the 3rd level is pointless getting 3,500 chips at 100-200 seemed a little pointless to me basiclly you either have to nut up or go for it because u can only play 1 hand and maximum 2 orbits or you are crippling yourself thats my only complaint about walsall
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« Reply #50 on: July 31, 2007, 07:00:25 PM »

I prefer straight freezeouts because, assuming I have an edge over the average field, I want to get maximum value for my superior hand. Also, I feel my opponent's fear that they will be out if they lose this one hand is of much greater use.
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