Top Two v Semi Loose Passive

[UpTheMariners]

Pecker23 26/7/0.81 (473 hands)

***** Pacific Hand History for Game 64475430 *****
$2/$4 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - *** 07 04 21:24:51 2008
Table Bucanero Classic Maduro (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 10: Knak ( $365.61 )
Seat 1: thansen ( $701.5 )
Seat 5: Pecker23 ( $661.55 )
Seat 6: capzedo ( $147.2 )
Seat 8: gr1msby ( $942 )
gr1msby posts small blind [$2].
Knak posts big blind [$4].
Pecker23 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gr1msby [   ]
thansen calls [$4].
Pecker23 checks.
capzedo folds.
gr1msby raises [$20].
Knak folds.
thansen calls [$18].
Pecker23 calls [$18].
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
gr1msby bets [$44].
thansen folds.
Pecker23 calls [$44].
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
gr1msby bets [$108].
Pecker23 raises [$216].
gr1msby calls [$108].
** Dealing River ** [ ]
gr1msby checks.
Pecker23 bets [$212.08].
gr1msby...

pocket 6's or ace jack possibly?

[boldie]

If he has AJ, he's a lucky boy...I can't fold after calling the turn bet though..I wanna see what he's got now.

[Sunday8pm]

The decision should be made on the turn surely?

[Hairydude]

The decision should be made on the turn surely?

I agree there are 2 many scare cards that can come on the end(like the one that did) especially against a loose player so why no reraise??

[AlexMartin]

Q10 or 66. Unless he can hand-read really well, but ud expect him to shove if bluffing you off AK.
Seriously looks like a 66/Q10 nit who is betting enough to be able to fold to a jam.

WP though and especially the turn play. I really want to see results though expect you folded.

The decision should be made on the turn surely?

I agree there are 2 many scare cards that can come on the end(like the one that did) especially against a loose player so why no reraise??

this would be utter spew. How perfectly do you want villain to play against us? we have top 2 ffs (a huge hand), if we got it in here we would actually be bluffing.

[Sunday8pm]

utter spew eh. No wonder i havent made a cashout in about 2 years. thanks ALex

[Dubai]

Q10 or 66. Unless he can hand-read really well, but ud expect him to shove if bluffing you off AK.
Seriously looks like a 66/Q10 nit who is betting enough to be able to fold to a jam.

WP though and especially the turn play. I really want to see results though expect you folded.

The decision should be made on the turn surely?

I agree there are 2 many scare cards that can come on the end(like the one that did) especially against a loose player so why no reraise??

this would be utter spew. How perfectly do you want villain to play against us? we have top 2 ffs (a huge hand), if we got it in here we would actually be bluffing.

Jesus you must play tight. I can shove here and get called by a non pair hand. You do all realise he has posted out of position (obviously not his first hand at table cause of stack tho) and checked his option after a limp, therefore he is probably a retard. Hope this helps

[snoopy1239]

Smells like A-J or 6-6 here. Calling $44 for a gutshot with Q-T is a stretch. Would be surprised if he was bluffing after calling flop and min-raising turn, you've shown you are likely to have big hand. I would have made my decision on the turn.

[totalise]

this would be utter spew. How perfectly do you want villain to play against us? we have top 2 ffs (a huge hand), if we got it in here we would actually be bluffing.

lol if this is the case, then you really need to be widening your ranges somehow, because theres close to zero chance you can be a winning player if you are playing 5 handed, and you cant get it in with AK on the turn expecting to be called by worse!

[AlexMartin]

this would be utter spew. How perfectly do you want villain to play against us? we have top 2 ffs (a huge hand), if we got it in here we would actually be bluffing.

lol if this is the case, then you really need to be widening your ranges somehow, because theres close to zero chance you can be a winning player if you are playing 5 handed, and you cant get it in with AK on the turn expecting to be called by worse!

lol, when was the last time someone min raise bluffed you on the turn given this action and what would you say the ratio is of min raise bluffs to min raises for value with near nut hands. Gimme a break, this aint just a robot shove hand.

[Sunday8pm]

this would be utter spew. How perfectly do you want villain to play against us? we have top 2 ffs (a huge hand), if we got it in here we would actually be bluffing.

lol if this is the case, then you really need to be widening your ranges somehow, because theres close to zero chance you can be a winning player if you are playing 5 handed, and you cant get it in with AK on the turn expecting to be called by worse!

lol, when was the last time someone min raise bluffed you on the turn given this action and what would you say the ratio is of min raise bluffs to min raises for value with near nut hands. Gimme a break, this aint just a robot shove hand.

Probably about 3 hands ago knowing Dubai

[totalise]

this would be utter spew. How perfectly do you want villain to play against us? we have top 2 ffs (a huge hand), if we got it in here we would actually be bluffing.

lol if this is the case, then you really need to be widening your ranges somehow, because theres close to zero chance you can be a winning player if you are playing 5 handed, and you cant get it in with AK on the turn expecting to be called by worse!

lol, when was the last time someone min raise bluffed you on the turn given this action and what would you say the ratio is of min raise bluffs to min raises for value with near nut hands. Gimme a break, this aint just a robot shove hand.

if you just call you let yourself get reverse owned by the times they have draws/worse hands that just check behind on the river when you meekly just call the turn and meekly check the river, and vbet you with all the better hands. Sure, they sometimes have a better hand, but my point is that if you or are playing such a theoretically exploitable game that you never get raised ( even min) here with a hand worse then 2 pair, you should do something about it.

I stand by my assertion that if getting it in on the turn is a losing play for player X, then that means player X is almost certainly a losing player either way.

[snoopy1239]

this would be utter spew. How perfectly do you want villain to play against us? we have top 2 ffs (a huge hand), if we got it in here we would actually be bluffing.

lol if this is the case, then you really need to be widening your ranges somehow, because theres close to zero chance you can be a winning player if you are playing 5 handed, and you cant get it in with AK on the turn expecting to be called by worse!

lol, when was the last time someone min raise bluffed you on the turn given this action and what would you say the ratio is of min raise bluffs to min raises for value with near nut hands. Gimme a break, this aint just a robot shove hand.

I haven't played $2/4 short-handed for several months, but I do remember peeps making these kinds of bets with hands that top two are beating. If it were a check-raise, then I would be more suspicious, but here on the turn hands like A-6, A-Q, A-T, A-J, K-Qs aren't out of the question.