Satellite Disaster

[StuartHopkin]

No one has answered question 2).

Question 2:

Let's suppose that my opponent has 12,499 chips. Does that make a difference?

Also let's add question no 3: suppose it's the same situation, but the raiser is on the button and I'm in the BB. Still folding?

Question 2 - Makes no difference
Question 3 - Yes, more tempted to call if he shoves though

Question 4 to Herbs - Horses one of stakes or on MU?

[Eso Kral]

No one has answered question 2).

Question 2:

Let's suppose that my opponent has 12,499 chips. Does that make a difference?

Also let's add question no 3: suppose it's the same situation, but the raiser is on the button and I'm in the BB. Still folding?

Im still folding this from the BB as you are only posting the SB next hand and then have at least 1full orbit and you can pick which stacks or players you are getting your stack in 1st against to lock up the seat as live or net winning 1 set of blinds and antes could be enough to get your seat.

[smashedagain]

never done mu because its always with mates/people i like and too many people fall out over money. i have not been one to swop %ages with mates but have swopped with a couple of chinese guys because its my way of gambling (started with a kid in hull and now is with frankie). this does cause a little friction with close mates because it is obv one way traffic for the vast majority of the time. but i have a soft spot for both these two guys so it does not bother me.

it's usually give and take so often people i'm helping out will drive (especially while i was on my 6 month ban) or have done something for me in the past (my optician is a diamond and sorts out a load of my family). i give a bit back to the guys who i first started to play a bit of live poker back in the day who sit 5 nights a week in hull casino never really going anywhere. these were my original pupils who subscribed "ABC poker, who to beat idiots".

i have also backed a few dealers who wanna give a better game a crack but this never works out well. they think that coz its £150/£300/£500 buy in then they are gonna be playing this poker game that is a better standard and will need  another level thinking. despite my advise that they will still be playing mostly idiots they end up making plays that aint ever gonna work.

then there is the one offs who i think deserve a bit of a break and my run good $'s. i never really complain about bad beats especially if i am less than a 80% because thats just poker and i try to remain positive all the time. i believe in karma and giving a little to gain a lot.

sorry if threads been a bit hijacked. truth is we all say fold but not many actually do. they just say fuck it and click that button coz no one can see you mess up. its loads easier to fold live coz you dont want that embarressment of people knowing you are the guy who chucked the seat away.

[Skippy]

jassssssssssson its an ICM calc you need here not pokerstove

Can you use SnG Wiz to analyse this problem? I'm trying, but I'm not succeeding.

I think even if you'd decided you couldnt ladder into the money, folding here and open jamming  next hand is a better move

The problem I have with this response is that if you think my calling range is AA, KK, and therefore you think the other 5 stacks on my table of about the same size should have a similar range. Since it's odds against that anyone at the table has AA or KK, whoever is UTG can raise to 5000 blind every hand and it's profitable for him. I'm never going to get to shove KTo (unless I'm UTG) into an unopened pot since someone will have raised before me.

tldr: when I get KcTs in the HJ, I'm not going to get to shove it- the pot will already be opened.

[EvilPie]

...or do what someone did to me in the online satellite last night with about 20 left (10 seats), and call my raise in the BB with A6 against my AQ and get there.  Who's collecting the 50p?

Monday night with 20 left, 15 seats.

I shove 9 bigs with TT and get snapped by 7 bigs guy with A9. Sighballs.

Up to a quid.

Any more offers.

What I'm saying is that in these sats people are stupid enough to risk getting ko'd with A9 so you don't need to panic and get it in with AK.

Just sit tight and fold your AK. They'll knock each other out soon enough.

Obviously shove if it unopened but with zero FE it's not even close to calling.

KK+ for me to shove here.

[DMorgan]

[ x ] Satellite
[ x ] Disaster

[gatso]

The problem I have with this response is that if you think my calling range is AA, KK, and therefore you think the other 5 stacks on my table of about the same size should have a similar range. Since it's odds against that anyone at the table has AA or KK, whoever is UTG can raise to 5000 blind every hand and it's profitable for him. I'm never going to get to shove KTo (unless I'm UTG) into an unopened pot since someone will have raised before me.

tldr: when I get KcTs in the HJ, I'm not going to get to shove it- the pot will already be opened.

far too much assuming people know what they're doing in this post