Turn Line Ok?

[Eso Kral]

GUKPT Blackpool Main event

Blinds 100/200

Villain 20k
Me 16k

I have recently moved to the table so dont have any history either way but villain is early 20's and looks competent from what i have seen in the 45 mins on the table.

Villain raises utg+2 to 500 and it folds to me in the sb i look down at  and call the extra 400

Flop (1200)    I check he cbets 700 i call

Turn (2600)  I CHECK (anyone doing anything different?) he bets 2100 I CALL (ok?)

River    It goes check check on the end but I am interested in other peeps turn line please.
TIA

[GreekStein]

fold turn

[DMorgan]

I fold turn too

[Leedszilla]

I think check/calling the turn is probably the worst play possible. From the looks of it he might have some thing like in his range, but I don't think it's a big part of it. As played it seems fairly unlikely that he has a made flush given that he's betting around 80% of the pot on the turn and you've not really shown enormous strength. To me it looks more as though he's just looking to shut the hand down, so I think most of the time you're looking at something like   ,   etc. So the problem with check-calling is that you almost certainly don't have the best hand, and it's pretty hard to see how you're going to get any more money if you draw out.

Check-raise could be an okay play given the stack sizes. You can make it 5k and leave yourself 9.8k for a barrel on the end, but I think check/fold is probably the best move given the choice between two barrelling the whole stack or letting the 2600 go.

An interest move is leading the turn for say 1200 and betting 3k on the end. I think you fold out a lot of the same hands, but it's much cheaper.

[pleno1]

what does he continue with if we c/r the turn?

[NoflopsHomer]

what does he continue with if we c/r the turn?

Sets, flushes, straights, Q-J but given this is meant to be our range too, why would we check-raise the turn to make worse fold? Or maybe I'm overthinking.

[Leedszilla]

what does he continue with if we c/r the turn?

Sets, flushes, straights, Q-J but given this is meant to be our range too, why would we check-raise the turn to make worse fold? Or maybe I'm overthinking.

I guess we should only be check-raising the turn here if we're sometimes check raising for value in the same spot, which I think would be a pretty good line. From our perspective, if we have the flush, it makes sense for us to check the turn because there are lots of hands our opponents will check behind, but call a river bet with. Similarly if he bets, any heart river + potentially any more straight cards are going to kill our action, so it makes sense for us to try and get some more money in OTT.

I think the whole check-raising ploy is based around how confident we are that he doesn't have a flush/10,9, and given the way the hand's gone so far I'm really struggling to put him on either of those two hands, whilst by comparison we've flatted from the SB so can potentially have quite a few suited-connector type hands. My reasoning is that for this to work we more or less need to check-raise the turn and barrel any non-paired river, because many even nominally decent players will call the turn more or less knowing they won't call the river.

I think a lot of the time even the top his range (sets) folds to this play, because our range is so polarised and there's so little else than we can have called with OTF.

[SuuPRlim]

i would just fold the turn and be pretty happy with how i played, as Leedszilla says we are so open to getting bluffed or value-towned on the river on so many different river cards, seems pretty hard for us to play perfectly/well OTR without just guessing

[Leatherman]

As played i fold ott, would 3 betting pre be uber bad?

[GreekStein]

As played i fold ott, would 3 betting pre be uber bad?

OOP pre ante's I think calling is much better. The strength of our hand is disguised and we can exercise some pot control OOP.

[AlexMartin]

meh, dont hate call turn, he barrels it pretty wide but gives up river a lot. dont like 3b pre.

actually, turn sizing means fold.

[Eso Kral]

Yh shoulda folded the turn to betsize, if he makes it 1700-1900 we calling?

Check Check the river and he flips 

[pleno1]

we dont like a c/r here?

[Eso Kral]

we dont like a c/r here?

On the break immediately after the hand G2L and I discussed the hand and a CR, gets through on this board alot me thinks.