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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2010, 03:38:11 PM » |
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If you've pushed all-in 5 times against one of these villains in the last hour what is it about your 4-bet and your image that will frighten either of these players? If I had been 3-bet by the guy to my left 5x recently you can bet I'd be snapping his action very soon. Considering you've been active vs these players I think pure 4-bet bluffing vs sizeable stacks isn't the wisest use of your chips looking at the state of the game overall.
if you are villain 2 what is your 5 bet shove range? i dont think that there are more than 5% of players who will bluff shove 5 bet here ( and 5% is hgh) - dont forget if i have bet to 30k - he doesnt have a tonne of FE The 5-bet shove range for most people is going to be pretty tight isn't it? So I don't think it's wise to 4-bet bluff just because the 5-bet range of our oppos is small or we could always 4-bet bluff using that principle. Personally if I am going to 4-bet bluff two active players with live players behind I'd want a situation where my FE in the game was at it's highest possible. I don't think jamming 5x in recent times makes that so and as such it's a move I would personally avoid in this spot. I reckon my 5-bet range widens considerably vs some guy who keeps jamming on me though. |
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2010, 04:10:54 PM » |
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If you've pushed all-in 5 times against one of these villains in the last hour what is it about your 4-bet and your image that will frighten either of these players? . Considering you've been active vs these players I think pure 4-bet bluffing vs sizeable stacks isn't the wisest use of your chips looking at the state of the game overall.
if you are villain 2 what is your 5 bet shove range? i dont think that there are more than 5% of players who will bluff shove 5 bet here ( and 5% is hgh) - dont forget if i have bet to 30k - he doesnt have a tonne of FE The 5-bet shove range for most people is going to be pretty tight isn't it? So I don't think it's wise to 4-bet bluff just because the 5-bet range of our oppos is small or we could always 4-bet bluff using that principle. Personally if I am going to 4-bet bluff two active players with live players behind I'd want a situation where my FE in the game was at it's highest possible. I don't think jamming 5x in recent times makes that so and as such it's a move I would personally avoid in this spot. I reckon my 5-bet range widens considerably vs some guy who keeps jamming on me though. you should be a politician with answers like that buddy this is what you said "If I had been 3-bet by the guy to my left 5x recently you can bet I'd be snapping his action very soon"it infers you would do it light - im just saying i dont think so obviously for 95% of people their 5 bet range is pretty tight |
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2010, 04:46:28 PM » |
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If you've pushed all-in 5 times against one of these villains in the last hour what is it about your 4-bet and your image that will frighten either of these players? . Considering you've been active vs these players I think pure 4-bet bluffing vs sizeable stacks isn't the wisest use of your chips looking at the state of the game overall.
if you are villain 2 what is your 5 bet shove range? i dont think that there are more than 5% of players who will bluff shove 5 bet here ( and 5% is hgh) - dont forget if i have bet to 30k - he doesnt have a tonne of FE The 5-bet shove range for most people is going to be pretty tight isn't it? So I don't think it's wise to 4-bet bluff just because the 5-bet range of our oppos is small or we could always 4-bet bluff using that principle. Personally if I am going to 4-bet bluff two active players with live players behind I'd want a situation where my FE in the game was at it's highest possible. I don't think jamming 5x in recent times makes that so and as such it's a move I would personally avoid in this spot. I reckon my 5-bet range widens considerably vs some guy who keeps jamming on me though. you should be a politician with answers like that buddy this is what you said "If I had been 3-bet by the guy to my left 5x recently you can bet I'd be snapping his action very soon"it infers you would do it light - im just saying i dont think so obviously for 95% of people their 5 bet range is pretty tight Hey look, no doubt the move COULD work. But why not save that sort of move for spots when it has the BEST CHANCE of working. I don't think your chip position requires you to urgently chase "could work moves" vs the CL, especially considering your image. Sure, I wouldn't 5-bet light vs you but I wouldn't 3-bet villain 1 light from ep either if a guy round the back kept jamming on me. |
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2010, 06:35:39 PM » |
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If you've pushed all-in 5 times against one of these villains in the last hour what is it about your 4-bet and your image that will frighten either of these players? If I had been 3-bet by the guy to my left 5x recently you can bet I'd be snapping his action very soon. Considering you've been active vs these players I think pure 4-bet bluffing vs sizeable stacks isn't the wisest use of your chips looking at the state of the game overall.
if you are villain 2 what is your 5 bet shove range? i dont think that there are more than 5% of players who will bluff shove 5 bet here ( and 5% is hgh) - dont forget if i have bet to 30k - he doesnt have a tonne of FE Don't 4bet to 30k please. 22 will suffice. Then fold to a shove. If your read means you don't think this is a good idea, don't 4bet at all. 27 is a better number than 22. |
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2010, 07:14:33 PM » |
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2010, 07:27:24 PM » |
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its not quite the same as you had opened UTG +1 and your bet was all in
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2010, 08:25:17 PM » |
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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2010, 09:20:51 PM » |
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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2010, 06:08:01 PM » |
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Hand contains: [X] cold 4 bet [X] 5bet bluff FYP The advice earlier from some posters that you could cold 4 bet bluff, then fold a reraise, is exploitable depending on your frequency of 4 bet bluffing. Railtard1's exploited it here by 5 bet jamming, which is why I'm not a huge fan of 4bet/folding too frequently or at all without reads. |
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« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2010, 09:13:10 PM » |
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Hmm 5 bet jamming at 120-240 v theczar19 is probs not the smartest play.
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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2010, 01:47:58 AM » |
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Hmm 5 bet jamming at 120-240 v theczar19 is probs not the smartest play.
wow learned something from this thread, was always too lazy to look up who enterthewu was thanks |
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« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2010, 12:54:02 PM » |
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Hmm 5 bet jamming at 120-240 with   then posting it on a forum where similar stakes opponents post is probs not the smartest play. |
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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2010, 03:51:06 PM » |
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Hmm 5 bet jamming at 120-240 with   , editing the HH to then posting it on a forum where similar stakes opponents post is probs the smartest play. |
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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2010, 03:59:53 PM » |
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Hmm 5 bet jamming at 120-240 with , editing the HH to then posting it on a forum where similar stakes opponents post is probs the smartest play. Can u edit hands on pokerorg? |
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« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2010, 04:07:36 PM » |
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Hmm 5 bet jamming at 120-240 with , editing the HH to then posting it on a forum where similar stakes opponents post is probs the smartest play. Can u edit hands on pokerorg? Just edit the HH before you upload it. |
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