The Pope

[bolt pp]

Religions should not be discussed on any forum

These lot better like tiddlywinks and stamp collecting then 

www.religiousforums.com

[boldie]

Religions should not be discussed on any forum

These lot better like tiddlywinks and stamp collecting then 

www.religiousforums.com

lmao...I am told most of them do like a good game of "tiddlywinks"

[happybhoy]

One of these things is not like the other. Unless of course, you assume That I am G Dubya and I launched the invasion and gave the reasons behind it. Or perhaps you just assume ALL Americans are the same.

Amusing ow your crowd routinely shits on all Yanks the same whilst accusing us of stereotyping all of a given race or faith.

But Hey! I guess it is certainly more vogue these days to ANTIAMERICAN then to actually speak out against the other hypocrisies of the world....In this case Muslim leaders callin fo death and war in response to the Pope Alluding to a violent nature in Islam.

I didn't post it cos your a Yank (even a Mad one) and I wouldn't class myself as anti-american, anti-us government maybe but to be honest I hold my own government in almost as much contempt as I do yours. I posted cause I'm sick of the new-age McCarthyism thats creeping up regarding Islam with no differentiation between the fundamentalist, moderate and liberal shades thereof, particularly when it comes from a religion that in it's heyday and at the extremes of it's own fundamentalism was no better and arguably worse. I'm pissed off that the current climate has allowed back a sort of socially acceptable racism that I thought had been consigned to the dustbin. I'm pissed that Guantanamo Bay is pissing all over the basic human right of innocent until proven guilty, the principles of democracy, the Geneva Convention and your own Constitution. I'm pissed that my government has taken 5 years to begin to own up to this fact. I'm pissed that if the ideals of democracy where a cut of prime aberdeen angus then what we currenly have seems to be a mechanically-recovered meat-flavoured patty that can be prepared in a microwave in under 60 seconds. I'm pissed about ID cards, 700,000 kids being fingerprinted by schools without parental consent,talking fucking CCTV cameras and Man U supporters being a bunch of smug bastards. I'm pissed about the fact that I'm beginning to think the reason I'm pissed about all this shit is due to the onset of a midlife crisis and I was led to believe that it would involve sports cars and dating pnuematic young chicks. Most of all I'm pissed about bottling all this crap up and then spewing in up on this forum when Blonde should be a haven from this shit rather than the battleground it's fought on. (Oh the joys of a passive/aggressive personality)

I'm going to stop posting on any of the political/religious threads cos it just gets on my goat and I seem to, in turn, get on others. I've seen a good few forums rip themselves to shreds over stuff like this and it would be a shame to see this one go that way.

Apologies where they're due but in my defence, there's a drought on and I'm cranky.

(oh and apologies for the swearing but I'm a weegie and it's genetic)

[tantrum]

it is good to know that I am not alone at being pissed off at

of the new-age McCarthyism thats creeping up regarding Islam with no differentiation between the fundamentalist, moderate and liberal shades thereof, particularly when it comes from a religion that in it's heyday and at the extremes of it's own fundamentalism was no better and arguably worse. I'm pissed off that the current climate has allowed back a sort of socially acceptable racism that I thought had been consigned to the dustbin. I'm pissed that Guantanamo Bay is pissing all over the basic human right of innocent until proven guilty, the principles of democracy, the Geneva Convention and your own Constitution. I'm pissed that my government has taken 5 years to begin to own up to this fact. I'm pissed that if the ideals of democracy where a cut of prime aberdeen angus then what we currenly have seems to be a mechanically-recovered meat-flavoured patty that can be prepared in a microwave in under 60 seconds. I'm pissed about ID cards, 700,000 kids being fingerprinted by schools without parental consent,talking fucking CCTV cameras and Man U supporters being a bunch of smug bastards. I'm pissed about the fact that I'm beginning to think the reason I'm pissed about all this shit is due to the onset of a midlife crisis and I was led to believe that it would involve sports cars and dating pnuematic young chicks

happybhoy - nice to meet you - stand your ground and don't let others to clamp down on your right to free expression.

it is interesting that some people who on one hand in the name of democracy and promotion of Western 'democratic' values try to use bullying tactics to stop any intelligent debate that questions the rights or wrongs of their spiritual leaders and their governments.

But Hey! I guess it is certainly more vogue these days to ANTIAMERICAN then to actually speak out against the other hypocrisies of the world....In this case Muslim leaders calling fo death and war in response to the Pope Alluding to a violent nature in Islam.

MadYank -   Throughout the history the leaders of goverments used a religion as a propaganda tool to advance their interests and to justify their wars.  Not the first time and not the last time, but to claim that only Islam is a source of all violence in the world is simplistic.

This thread has started as a debate about Pope's speech and to start with had nothing to with religion per se, but it seems to me that on both side of the fence there are people who are jumping to some conclusions and try to twist the argument to serve their own beliefs.

Taking some  comments personally is the way to kill any debate.

I wish you all peace and love.
 I am able to tolerate your beliefs although might not agree with your opinions.
I have restrained myself as well as happybhoy and few others from personal attacks.  Perhaps there is a lesson the be learned here that it is possible to live in a community where people have different beliefs and cultures.

[boldie]

One of these things is not like the other. Unless of course, you assume That I am G Dubya and I launched the invasion and gave the reasons behind it. Or perhaps you just assume ALL Americans are the same.

Amusing ow your crowd routinely shits on all Yanks the same whilst accusing us of stereotyping all of a given race or faith.

But Hey! I guess it is certainly more vogue these days to ANTIAMERICAN then to actually speak out against the other hypocrisies of the world....In this case Muslim leaders callin fo death and war in response to the Pope Alluding to a violent nature in Islam.

I didn't post it cos your a Yank (even a Mad one) and I wouldn't class myself as anti-american, anti-us government maybe but to be honest I hold my own government in almost as much contempt as I do yours. I posted cause I'm sick of the new-age McCarthyism thats creeping up regarding Islam with no differentiation between the fundamentalist, moderate and liberal shades thereof, particularly when it comes from a religion that in it's heyday and at the extremes of it's own fundamentalism was no better and arguably worse. I'm pissed off that the current climate has allowed back a sort of socially acceptable racism that I thought had been consigned to the dustbin. I'm pissed that Guantanamo Bay is pissing all over the basic human right of innocent until proven guilty, the principles of democracy, the Geneva Convention and your own Constitution. I'm pissed that my government has taken 5 years to begin to own up to this fact. I'm pissed that if the ideals of democracy where a cut of prime aberdeen angus then what we currenly have seems to be a mechanically-recovered meat-flavoured patty that can be prepared in a microwave in under 60 seconds. I'm pissed about ID cards, 700,000 kids being fingerprinted by schools without parental consent,talking fucking CCTV cameras and Man U supporters being a bunch of smug bastards. I'm pissed about the fact that I'm beginning to think the reason I'm pissed about all this shit is due to the onset of a midlife crisis and I was led to believe that it would involve sports cars and dating pnuematic young chicks. Most of all I'm pissed about bottling all this crap up and then spewing in up on this forum when Blonde should be a haven from this shit rather than the battleground it's fought on. (Oh the joys of a passive/aggressive personality)

I'm going to stop posting on any of the political/religious threads cos it just gets on my goat and I seem to, in turn, get on others. I've seen a good few forums rip themselves to shreds over stuff like this and it would be a shame to see this one go that way.

Apologies where they're due but in my defence, there's a drought on and I'm cranky.

(oh and apologies for the swearing but I'm a weegie and it's genetic)

excellent post...but then again...I've been a grumpy old man since I was 25

[tantrum]

excellent post...but then again...I've been a grumpy old man since I was 25

You mean since 1925?
 

[happybhoy]

Cheers dudes, there's been a few post on here lately that have made me think that if philosophical angst is all i've got to worry about then i'm probably leading a charmed life.There are better times and places to run over this stuff than blonde.

[MadYank]

One of these things is not like the other. Unless of course, you assume That I am G Dubya and I launched the invasion and gave the reasons behind it. Or perhaps you just assume ALL Americans are the same.

Amusing ow your crowd routinely shits on all Yanks the same whilst accusing us of stereotyping all of a given race or faith.

But Hey! I guess it is certainly more vogue these days to ANTIAMERICAN then to actually speak out against the other hypocrisies of the world....In this case Muslim leaders callin fo death and war in response to the Pope Alluding to a violent nature in Islam.

I didn't post it cos your a Yank (even a Mad one) and I wouldn't class myself as anti-american, anti-us government maybe but to be honest I hold my own government in almost as much contempt as I do yours. I posted cause I'm sick of the new-age McCarthyism thats creeping up regarding Islam with no differentiation between the fundamentalist, moderate and liberal shades thereof, particularly when it comes from a religion that in it's heyday and at the extremes of it's own fundamentalism was no better and arguably worse. I'm pissed off that the current climate has allowed back a sort of socially acceptable racism that I thought had been consigned to the dustbin. I'm pissed that Guantanamo Bay is pissing all over the basic human right of innocent until proven guilty, the principles of democracy, the Geneva Convention and your own Constitution. I'm pissed that my government has taken 5 years to begin to own up to this fact. I'm pissed that if the ideals of democracy where a cut of prime aberdeen angus then what we currenly have seems to be a mechanically-recovered meat-flavoured patty that can be prepared in a microwave in under 60 seconds. I'm pissed about ID cards, 700,000 kids being fingerprinted by schools without parental consent,talking fucking CCTV cameras and Man U supporters being a bunch of smug bastards. I'm pissed about the fact that I'm beginning to think the reason I'm pissed about all this shit is due to the onset of a midlife crisis and I was led to believe that it would involve sports cars and dating pnuematic young chicks. Most of all I'm pissed about bottling all this crap up and then spewing in up on this forum when Blonde should be a haven from this shit rather than the battleground it's fought on. (Oh the joys of a passive/aggressive personality)

I'm going to stop posting on any of the political/religious threads cos it just gets on my goat and I seem to, in turn, get on others. I've seen a good few forums rip themselves to shreds over stuff like this and it would be a shame to see this one go that way.

Apologies where they're due but in my defence, there's a drought on and I'm cranky.

(oh and apologies for the swearing but I'm a weegie and it's genetic)

This debate started, as I saw it, about the Pope's comments in a speech.

I responded by saying that it is ironic that in response to the Pope alluding to Islamic Violence, Muslims have responded with Threats of and ACTUAL violence.

I didn't bring Guantanamo bay or Iraq into the discussion.

I also agreed that Christianity and The Catholic Church specifically have a deep past full of violence. However we live in the present.

Is it really a New McCarthyism/sanctioned racism to point out the simple fact that a peaceful religion, Islam, has been hijacked by it's most vocal extremists? Today Islam is IN it's Fundamentalism violent phase and is threatening world stability on numerous fronts. I don't believe the west can save Islam from the dangerous path being chosen for it by it's extremist leaders. I believe that Islam needs to be reclaimed by it's true core of faithful and returned to a peacful nature.

Until that happens, however, I also believe it woud be irresponsible of those threatened by the fundmentlist hijackers not to point out the threat and respond to it.

Also, nonmuslims SHOULD be allowed to point out the near deafening silence from the core on nonexremist Muslims who allow Islam to move ever closer to extemism every day without benig called oppressor/racist/any other nasty PC tag used to silence debate.

I am not the biggest fan of the current US administration and long for the day when Reichsfuher Von Rumsfeld and G Dubya are replaced. But, what they have done/doing does not excuse the insanity perpetrated in the name of Islam.

I also disagree with numerous erosions of personal liberties throughout the western democracies.

I also wish peace to all. (At the same time I ain' gonig to kiss the arse of someone who exists purely for my own destruction/conversion)

[Royal Flush]

The Gutshot debate is far more amusing, lol

[MadYank]

The Gutshot debate is far more amusing, lol

LOL I assume you mean the discussion of whther its 72 or 73 virgins? and whetehr they are female/male/ugly/unshaggable?

[Royal Flush]

The Gutshot debate is far more amusing, lol

LOL I assume you mean the discussion of whther its 72 or 73 virgins? and whetehr they are female/male/ugly/unshaggable?

lol yes.

My fave:

  Lets have a fcukin big bundle Catholics against the Muzzies at the Heston services and settle this once and for all.

[Claw75]

that was my favourite too