Aces busted

[El Tilto]

Hi guys i would appreciate your comments on the below....be gentle i'm a newbie!!

Low stakes STT
Blinds 30/60 (Level 2)
Table has played loose so far and 1 is gone already (8 left)

I'm in mid position and pick up 

1 early limper, i raise to 180, folded round to button who calls, so does SB,BB and limper. Pot 900

Flop comes 

Limper checks, I bet 500, button re-raises all in, SB,BB and limper all fold.

The pot i can take down is 3070 i have 1670 left (he had me covered)

Q. Should i have called?

Q. Am i right to assume mt pre-flop bet was too small?

I did call and he turns over  and his trips hold up.

Comments greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Tilto.

[Graham C]

It's a bad call with the 3 5, he should really be ashamed of himself, unless you've been caught pinching pots previously.   Is the button chipped up at this point? 3xBB is too standard a raise for me and I'd go with 4-5 time the BB at this low level of blind. Can't even say he had good odds to call as he was the first caller to your raise.

Some people here like slow playing AA, I personally hardly ever do.

Unlucky though, it's a fishy call, but still,  50p in the pot

Oh and welcome to Blonde

[Rupert]

Pre flop raise is fine, maybe make it 240 (at micro limits - $1 - 5 you tend to get more people calling pre flop raises).  Call is also fine.  Unlucky

[jakally]

IMO don't think you have done anything particulary wrong.

On the flop, you got to think what hands you can put him on  - 7-7 and 3-3 would have you beat, but wouldn't necessarily push with these on flop.

A - 7 possibly, but would be a dodgy play to push with it.

Most likely is an overpair.
Given that you are well ahead of any one of these, you don't mind the all-in.

The only other hands you are afraid of are those with a 3 in.
Given that you have put in a decent raise, and button is first caller you are not easily putting him on a 3.
Difficult not to call.   

Preflop, I often play big hands (AQ and better, QQ and better) with a min raise if I am first in the pot in early / mid position during first 2 levels. There is no value in taking the blinds, therefore hoping someone will come over the top of me (so to speak). If no reraise, then I accept that I am playing a drawing hand that needs a favourable flop.
If the table is loose and I want to put in a std raise, I agree with rupert that at least 4 x BB is a safer bet.

 However, keep playing the way you did and you will win a lot more than you lose.

 GL.

Jak.

[vegaslover]

I play the low levels and would raise more than 3x the blind as more people will call at this level, and with anything.
I think once he goes all in I would put him on the 3. Why is he going all in so early otherwise. The idea of surviving, more than chip building in early stages of STTs, is probably even more relevant at the low levels, due to the bad calls players will make preflop.

[Moskvich]

I think you're just unlucky. At low levels I reckon you have to call his all-in - there's so many hands he could do this with. At lower levels they'd include any pair, since he might well reckon you just have big cards and have missed the flop. Top pair's very possible, and I wouldn't be that surprised to see some junk like Q7s. He might also do it with big cards himself, reckoning that you can't call. I think you must show a huge long-term profit calling here, especially since you haven't telegraphed your pair by putting in a bigger-than-standard raise.

[tantrum]

Am I the only one who thinks your AA might not be good here anymore?

Low limit MTT, 3x BB raise they will call you with any two and usually when they go all in they hit their flop hard.  Low limits MTT is a type of transparent poker, that frankly most people bet big when they hit big  and bet small if they hit small, they do not re-raise unless they hit big and most of them they don't pay attention for what your holding is.  I would say if he had only 2 pair he would flat call your bet and not re-raise you

So you could have been called by A3/Kx/Qx/ 77/33 K3/Q3/and any other rubbish.

His all in indicates to me that you are behind.

That's the beauty of low limit poker, most players are so transparent...they play their cards rather then their opponents so most probably I would put him on set.

[El Tilto]

Thanks for your thoughts guys,

Just a point for Tantrum. It was a Single table tourny not a MTT, does that make much of a difference to your opinion?

The other question i have is what would you guys class as low limits, it was a $10 tourny, thats low for some but is it as low as you thought when you first read?

At what level would you expect to see players playing poker rather than bingo  

Thanks again

Tilto

[tantrum]

STT or MTT the same low level.
$10 is considered as lowish.


If you look at those links that will lead you to series of articles that Wardonkey has written it will help you to get into STT.



http://www.blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/3448
http://www.blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/3498
http://www.blondepoker.com/index.php?q=node/3523

If I miss my flop and have 4 callers your AA begins to look vulnerable... Also it indicates that your table is loose and therefore most likely someone called you with a bingo hand.


In those satelites you have to see whether some players overbet their good hands, Whether i fold or call would depend what i have noted on a given player

[lynx5.0]

i play about the same level as your self and i call here 100%  of the time, and your pre-flop raise was fine olso if hes calling 180 with 35 he aint folding it to a 240 rasie imo.

[SupaMonkey]

If you assume he moves in with any pocket pair, any 7, any 3 and A-K then you have a 65% chance of winning the hand (including times you call, are behind and outdraw him).

[snoopy1239]

Yes, you have to call.

I'd raise more preflop when playing online

[boldie]

Yes, you have to call.

I'd raise more preflop when playing online

indeed. the pre-flop raise is too small...I would have called that with 3-5 sooted on the button...doesn't matter which levels.

[tantrum]

indeed. the pre-flop raise is too small...I would have called that with 3-5 sooted on the button...doesn't matter which levels.

With small raise and on the button i tend to call with any two:)

for exactly that reason that most people who are dealt AA/KK/AK can't bring themselves to fold those hands on ragged flops and as I have a position and will hit my flop i will make a lot of money as well as if they miss their flop I can still steal the pot .

[boldie]

indeed. the pre-flop raise is too small...I would have called that with 3-5 sooted on the button...doesn't matter which levels.

With small raise and on the button i tend to call with any two:)

for exactly that reason that most people who are dealt AA/KK/AK can't bring themselves to fold those hands on ragged flops and as I have a position and will hit my flop i will make a lot of money as well as if they miss their flop I can still steal the pot .

yep...every time i read a story like the one above I go back and check to see that it wasn't me who busted them lol